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that he lacks a great deal of support from his members. We are


going to move on to the papers. Hello and welcome to our Sunday


morning edition of The Papers. With me are journalist


Lucy Cavendish, and Ian Birrell, Contributing Editor


of the Mail on Sunday . The Observer says that Labour has


been plunged into its "greatest crisis for generations"


as a leadership bid was launched The Telegraph claims that


Theresa May's most senior allies have gone to war


against Andrea Leadsom in retaliation for her


comments on motherhood. The Sunday Times also goes


for the same story and says that 20 Tory MPs 'would quit party'


if Mrs Leadsom were to win The Sunday Express also


covers her controversial comments, saying that mothers have rounded


on Andrea Leadsom and accused her of "weaponising" parenthood


in her fight to become Prime The Mail on Sunday reports that


Sir Cliff Richard has launched a ?1 million law suit over the BBC's


broadcast of the police The Sunday Mirror splashes on news


that the former Labour Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott now believes


that Tony Blair illegally led Let's begin with the Labour Party,


we've been hearing about Jeremy Corbyn, Labour Angela Eagle wants


bid to print an Corbyn. They are living in a parallel universe, I


spent the entire week thinking politicians have lost touch with


what is going on. Actually, it's all rather egocentric. -- Jeremy Corbyn.


He seems to have no idea of what is actually going on, 63 of his Cabinet


resigns, he hasn't got able to full spaces, Angela Eagle is going to


come out and I think it's a disaster and the Labour Party will split and


who knows what will come out of that? They have lost Scotland, they


don't have enough to have Parliamentary majority in an


election, I can't understand how he hasn't resigned, just as a matter of


principle. A sort of veteran Labour Party members said privately to me


last week, there are people within the Labour Party who never trusted


the way Parliament works, they are looking to the grassroots, they are


getting extra support, it could be a disaster but they are getting more


members. That is a key point. I think Corbyn is unelectable, he has


lost the support of his party but he has increased membership to have a


million people. The Tories got 140,000 people, to put that in


perspective, we saw the debate about the Iraq war, the modernisers


screwed up the middle east in their rush to war. Corbyn was on the right


side of that, yes, he is a lamentable Labour leader, the party


is two factions which it seems impossible to knit together. They


are providing no opposition and yes, they have lost great swathes of the


country, probably the North as well as Scotland. But against that, there


is a case to be made for Corbyn and it's only a year since the


membership let them against the Parliamentary party which they solve


as out of touch with the needs of the country. It is easy to attack


him and I attack on a lot like any other political commentator because


he does appear to be a total loser when it comes to winning an election


but against that, he does have the support... The problem is the party


system which nets factions that have nothing in common together and what


we need to see, as with the Conservatives, is a shattering of


the traditional tribal loyalties. You don't get that in the first past


the post system usually because if any of the parties split, the other


party will do better in first past the post. What you say is right, he


is unelectable and the Labour Party note that he is unelectable and yes,


of course, he has put on members and that's an interesting point,


fascinating why that has happened, to a certain extent I think it's a


protest against what people see as a set of politicians who are out of


touch and in a way, to certain younger people, he looks oddly in


touch even all I think he isn't. There has been no opposition at all,


I'm a Labour Party supporter and I don't support him, he says I have


done this and done that, I cannot believe he thinks that's actually...


He said on the programme we must unite to put enormous pressure on


the story government. They are not in any way United. The Tories are


united, they are not united. Clearly one of the problems is he was


appalling during the Brexit campaign, you felt his heart wasn't


in it, the forces of darkness were unleashed by this campaign and he


basically allowed a lot of the vote on the left to side with the Ukip


tendency and vote for Brexit and I think that is why a lot of the young


people who flock to his side, some of them feel disenchanted because of


this pathetic performance. We will, to the Tories in a moment, let's


take a step back into our history, Lehrer forced us into an illegal war


is the splash on the Sunday Berrer, John Prescott saying I supported the


war at the time but I now think it's illegal. Quite a statement! It's


blindingly obvious statement because the Chilcott Report has come out and


said it was illegal. Most people with half a brain at the time could


have seen that and meddling in the Middle East when there was no exit


plan, no idea what was going to happen, is not a good idea. The fact


that Escott has come up now, it's too late, I'm terribly sorry and


sorry for the people who lost loved ones. -- Prescott. It shattered Iraq


and Syria. Why didn't he do something at the time, silly man?


It's a prime example by people have lost faith in politics, I was Deputy


Editor of the independent throughout this period which was quite a lonely


voice and was pointing out a lot of the flaws which emerged in Chilcott.


Because Prescott kept quiet, he claims to have seen the fact that


there was so for government going on, not enough discussion and after


Chilcott provides cover while he is touring the world on Cunard telling


funny anecdotes about his affairs, only now is he having the bottle to


come out and say something. The reality is that he done something at


the time, Britain might not have gone down this road and there might


have been a different outcome to history at the result, as I have


seen working in places like Iraq and Syria is the shattering of the


Middle East with dire consequences for the world, of course, he is


happy getting paid for his column by the Sunday murder and he cries


crocodile tears. Let's move on to the future, the Sunday Telegraph,


Tory women turned against let's... What do you make of the row and it


was described as gutter journalism. That is absolute nonsense, there is


all sorts on this and I could go on but I bought but what irritates me


is that no man stands up and said I should lead the party because I am a


father and no one questions men on whether they do or don't have


children so it's incredibly annoying to women to have this as the


centrepoint of whoever is going to be elected. The leader of the Tory


party, who will look our country is Prime Minister, that irritating. The


journalist who did the interview, this is an experienced politician,


she has done interviews before, she cannot be a complete idiot and not


know what she is saying. It is recorded on tape, she used that as


something to use leveraged against a reason me and that is appalling, to


actually question someone about whether they do or don't have


children. It absolutely... The comments that are guttersnipe, not


the fact it was reported. It was reported in good faith, it's


recorded, it is on tape, you cannot argue against that. It is certainly


a story you would have run. Of course you would, it's interesting,


2002 reason they made her name by pointing out the Tories were


perceived in some quarters as the nasty party, since then David


Cameron has tried to turn that for Tehran to a large extent on I with


him on some of that but it's like on the alert is trying to reinvent the


nasty party. -- to turn that around. It's amazing to think she did not


know that would happen. The express has the same thing... Broadly, the


papers support that Conservative Party... But the electorate for the


selection who will give us the next Prime Minister is not the general


electorate, it is smaller. People have a very dim view of this


electorate but in the heart of it, these are decent people who believe


in Britain, certain values, those values are not attacking a woman who


cannot have children and says she is sad about not having children, what


we see, I hope, the meltdown of the angry let's campaign, she has been


foisted on the leadership by Anne small-group of right-wingers, they


are trying to get someone who is clearly inadequate for the job on


the idea that at a time of crisis for the country, regardless of your


views on Brexit, the country needs to be reunited, we need to work


either position with Europe and the world, the idea that this woman who


has a flaky CV and appears to be nasty, the only thing she has said


of any interest is attacking same-sex marriage. The idea that she


is the answer to the country's problems is... She is supported by


quite a number of Conservative MPs, clearly has a basis of support, we


have to see what the members think but we talk about labour divisions


on the possibility of a split, the same thing is true of the


Conservatives, whatever the divisions they are bound to call


here because the electoral system or penalised them seriously if they


don't. I think they will and I think, as you said, there is a cabal


of right-wingers who want in place and I don't think that will happen,


I think Theresa May will get broad support and it will be a steadying


decision. I am not a ticket but actually, what will happen is that


we'll actually steady the Tory party in a way that the Labour Party


cannot steadied. The Sunday Times has it, some people floating ideas


about a realignment of the centre, between those who are probably


nationalistic and globalist, others say it's between optimism and


pessimism, I wonder whether you see a realignment as being possible?


I've written about these divisions, we have seen them across the West


through Austria to the United States. There is a division between


optimists who tend to be globalist and more open-minded and pessimist


to be fearful and isolationist and isolationist and that is the big


division and that is cracking open the parties. It is certainly


possible and a lot of talk, I have heard from moderate conservatives,


you see it in the Sunday Times, foundry lets us elected leader there


might be further talk about a realignment of politics. I think


it's possible and it's just a problem as to how did these


divisions go, how consensual the approaches or to resolve them and


whether the two party system can sustain in the modern age. I have


long thought it's not suited but at the same time, there is a problem


with proportional representation, we've just seen countries like


Spain, Ireland and Belgium gone once the Saudi government. -- go with


Alta government. The only positive thing I can think of, all does this


chaos something you could emerge. I actually don't feel I have anyone I


want to vote for and that's not a great place to be. Indeed, thank you


both are much. That is it for the papers, are thanks to our reviewers,


Ian and Lucy. We will take a look at tomorrow's front pages every evening


attended the PM and 11:30pm on BBC News. -- at 10:30pm.


I am afraid there is still no sign of any prolonged, settled dry and


sunny weather but today, a cloudy day with outbreaks of rain, feeling


quite humid if you are out and


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