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that he lacks a great deal of support from his members. We are

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going to move on to the papers. Hello and welcome to our Sunday

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morning edition of The Papers. With me are journalist

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Lucy Cavendish, and Ian Birrell, Contributing Editor

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of the Mail on Sunday . The Observer says that Labour has

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been plunged into its "greatest crisis for generations"

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as a leadership bid was launched The Telegraph claims that

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Theresa May's most senior allies have gone to war

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against Andrea Leadsom in retaliation for her

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comments on motherhood. The Sunday Times also goes

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for the same story and says that 20 Tory MPs 'would quit party'

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if Mrs Leadsom were to win The Sunday Express also

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covers her controversial comments, saying that mothers have rounded

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on Andrea Leadsom and accused her of "weaponising" parenthood

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in her fight to become Prime The Mail on Sunday reports that

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Sir Cliff Richard has launched a ?1 million law suit over the BBC's

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broadcast of the police The Sunday Mirror splashes on news

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that the former Labour Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott now believes

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that Tony Blair illegally led Let's begin with the Labour Party,

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we've been hearing about Jeremy Corbyn, Labour Angela Eagle wants

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bid to print an Corbyn. They are living in a parallel universe, I

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spent the entire week thinking politicians have lost touch with

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what is going on. Actually, it's all rather egocentric. -- Jeremy Corbyn.

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He seems to have no idea of what is actually going on, 63 of his Cabinet

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resigns, he hasn't got able to full spaces, Angela Eagle is going to

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come out and I think it's a disaster and the Labour Party will split and

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who knows what will come out of that? They have lost Scotland, they

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don't have enough to have Parliamentary majority in an

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election, I can't understand how he hasn't resigned, just as a matter of

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principle. A sort of veteran Labour Party members said privately to me

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last week, there are people within the Labour Party who never trusted

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the way Parliament works, they are looking to the grassroots, they are

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getting extra support, it could be a disaster but they are getting more

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members. That is a key point. I think Corbyn is unelectable, he has

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lost the support of his party but he has increased membership to have a

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million people. The Tories got 140,000 people, to put that in

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perspective, we saw the debate about the Iraq war, the modernisers

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screwed up the middle east in their rush to war. Corbyn was on the right

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side of that, yes, he is a lamentable Labour leader, the party

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is two factions which it seems impossible to knit together. They

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are providing no opposition and yes, they have lost great swathes of the

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country, probably the North as well as Scotland. But against that, there

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is a case to be made for Corbyn and it's only a year since the

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membership let them against the Parliamentary party which they solve

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as out of touch with the needs of the country. It is easy to attack

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him and I attack on a lot like any other political commentator because

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he does appear to be a total loser when it comes to winning an election

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but against that, he does have the support... The problem is the party

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system which nets factions that have nothing in common together and what

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we need to see, as with the Conservatives, is a shattering of

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the traditional tribal loyalties. You don't get that in the first past

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the post system usually because if any of the parties split, the other

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party will do better in first past the post. What you say is right, he

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is unelectable and the Labour Party note that he is unelectable and yes,

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of course, he has put on members and that's an interesting point,

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fascinating why that has happened, to a certain extent I think it's a

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protest against what people see as a set of politicians who are out of

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touch and in a way, to certain younger people, he looks oddly in

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touch even all I think he isn't. There has been no opposition at all,

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I'm a Labour Party supporter and I don't support him, he says I have

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done this and done that, I cannot believe he thinks that's actually...

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He said on the programme we must unite to put enormous pressure on

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the story government. They are not in any way United. The Tories are

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united, they are not united. Clearly one of the problems is he was

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appalling during the Brexit campaign, you felt his heart wasn't

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in it, the forces of darkness were unleashed by this campaign and he

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basically allowed a lot of the vote on the left to side with the Ukip

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tendency and vote for Brexit and I think that is why a lot of the young

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people who flock to his side, some of them feel disenchanted because of

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this pathetic performance. We will, to the Tories in a moment, let's

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take a step back into our history, Lehrer forced us into an illegal war

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is the splash on the Sunday Berrer, John Prescott saying I supported the

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war at the time but I now think it's illegal. Quite a statement! It's

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blindingly obvious statement because the Chilcott Report has come out and

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said it was illegal. Most people with half a brain at the time could

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have seen that and meddling in the Middle East when there was no exit

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plan, no idea what was going to happen, is not a good idea. The fact

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that Escott has come up now, it's too late, I'm terribly sorry and

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sorry for the people who lost loved ones. -- Prescott. It shattered Iraq

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and Syria. Why didn't he do something at the time, silly man?

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It's a prime example by people have lost faith in politics, I was Deputy

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Editor of the independent throughout this period which was quite a lonely

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voice and was pointing out a lot of the flaws which emerged in Chilcott.

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Because Prescott kept quiet, he claims to have seen the fact that

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there was so for government going on, not enough discussion and after

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Chilcott provides cover while he is touring the world on Cunard telling

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funny anecdotes about his affairs, only now is he having the bottle to

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come out and say something. The reality is that he done something at

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the time, Britain might not have gone down this road and there might

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have been a different outcome to history at the result, as I have

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seen working in places like Iraq and Syria is the shattering of the

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Middle East with dire consequences for the world, of course, he is

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happy getting paid for his column by the Sunday murder and he cries

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crocodile tears. Let's move on to the future, the Sunday Telegraph,

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Tory women turned against let's... What do you make of the row and it

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was described as gutter journalism. That is absolute nonsense, there is

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all sorts on this and I could go on but I bought but what irritates me

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is that no man stands up and said I should lead the party because I am a

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father and no one questions men on whether they do or don't have

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children so it's incredibly annoying to women to have this as the

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centrepoint of whoever is going to be elected. The leader of the Tory

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party, who will look our country is Prime Minister, that irritating. The

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journalist who did the interview, this is an experienced politician,

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she has done interviews before, she cannot be a complete idiot and not

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know what she is saying. It is recorded on tape, she used that as

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something to use leveraged against a reason me and that is appalling, to

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actually question someone about whether they do or don't have

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children. It absolutely... The comments that are guttersnipe, not

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the fact it was reported. It was reported in good faith, it's

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recorded, it is on tape, you cannot argue against that. It is certainly

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a story you would have run. Of course you would, it's interesting,

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2002 reason they made her name by pointing out the Tories were

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perceived in some quarters as the nasty party, since then David

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Cameron has tried to turn that for Tehran to a large extent on I with

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him on some of that but it's like on the alert is trying to reinvent the

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nasty party. -- to turn that around. It's amazing to think she did not

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know that would happen. The express has the same thing... Broadly, the

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papers support that Conservative Party... But the electorate for the

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selection who will give us the next Prime Minister is not the general

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electorate, it is smaller. People have a very dim view of this

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electorate but in the heart of it, these are decent people who believe

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in Britain, certain values, those values are not attacking a woman who

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cannot have children and says she is sad about not having children, what

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we see, I hope, the meltdown of the angry let's campaign, she has been

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foisted on the leadership by Anne small-group of right-wingers, they

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are trying to get someone who is clearly inadequate for the job on

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the idea that at a time of crisis for the country, regardless of your

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views on Brexit, the country needs to be reunited, we need to work

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either position with Europe and the world, the idea that this woman who

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has a flaky CV and appears to be nasty, the only thing she has said

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of any interest is attacking same-sex marriage. The idea that she

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is the answer to the country's problems is... She is supported by

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quite a number of Conservative MPs, clearly has a basis of support, we

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have to see what the members think but we talk about labour divisions

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on the possibility of a split, the same thing is true of the

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Conservatives, whatever the divisions they are bound to call

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here because the electoral system or penalised them seriously if they

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don't. I think they will and I think, as you said, there is a cabal

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of right-wingers who want in place and I don't think that will happen,

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I think Theresa May will get broad support and it will be a steadying

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decision. I am not a ticket but actually, what will happen is that

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we'll actually steady the Tory party in a way that the Labour Party

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cannot steadied. The Sunday Times has it, some people floating ideas

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about a realignment of the centre, between those who are probably

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nationalistic and globalist, others say it's between optimism and

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pessimism, I wonder whether you see a realignment as being possible?

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I've written about these divisions, we have seen them across the West

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through Austria to the United States. There is a division between

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optimists who tend to be globalist and more open-minded and pessimist

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to be fearful and isolationist and isolationist and that is the big

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division and that is cracking open the parties. It is certainly

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possible and a lot of talk, I have heard from moderate conservatives,

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you see it in the Sunday Times, foundry lets us elected leader there

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might be further talk about a realignment of politics. I think

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it's possible and it's just a problem as to how did these

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divisions go, how consensual the approaches or to resolve them and

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whether the two party system can sustain in the modern age. I have

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long thought it's not suited but at the same time, there is a problem

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with proportional representation, we've just seen countries like

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Spain, Ireland and Belgium gone once the Saudi government. -- go with

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Alta government. The only positive thing I can think of, all does this

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chaos something you could emerge. I actually don't feel I have anyone I

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want to vote for and that's not a great place to be. Indeed, thank you

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both are much. That is it for the papers, are thanks to our reviewers,

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Ian and Lucy. We will take a look at tomorrow's front pages every evening

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attended the PM and 11:30pm on BBC News. -- at 10:30pm.

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I am afraid there is still no sign of any prolonged, settled dry and

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sunny weather but today, a cloudy day with outbreaks of rain, feeling

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quite humid if you are out and

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