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chased them down 150 348. They reach their target with five to spare. And

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that from now is all the sport. Delyn BBC News, the papers.

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Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.

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With me are the former President of the polling firm YouGov,

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Peter Kellner, and Sebastian Payne of the Financial Times.

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Let's take a quick look at some of the front pages.

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The Telegraph calls the Rio Games Britain's greatest ever,

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The paper's main story is a crackdown on cosmetic surgeons

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who will be named and shamed for poor practice.

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The Observer leads with a call from the London Mayor to Labour

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party members telling them to back Owen Smith in the party's

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Sadiq Khan says Jeremy Corbyn has been a disaster for the party.

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Nicola Adams's gold medal win is pictured on the

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The paper reports on warnings that Rio may be Team GB's last great

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games, if economic problems in the future force a cut

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The Mail on Sunday says Theresa May has been dragged

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into a party scandal involving allegations of bullying.

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The Express hails a 'golden era' for British sport, alongside

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a picture of the gold-winning kayaker, Liam Heath.

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And the Sunday Times says Theresa May will harness the spirit

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of Britain's Olympic "world beaters" to draw up a blueprint for Brexit.

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Let's start with that Sunday Times story. Sebastien perhaps you will

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start. It is about politicians, the headline is the glorious games and I

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is all about the politicians and the brain and is making use of that.

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Absolutely. These games have been a great moment for the country, a warm

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fuzzy feeling to see Britain doing well against a country like China

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that has a population of 1 billion or something like that and if you

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look at the medals we have versus the performance and the money it is

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a fantastic story so naturally politicians are keen to get on the

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coat-tails of this. Shoehorning this end, Theresa May is talking about

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the idea of backing excellence. I am not sure how you can find excellence

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in the future but apparently that is what Brexit Britain will do, how

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only industrial strategy will work in the economy will be just like the

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Olympic Games or something like that. Peter, a senior cabinet

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minister are named tells the paper about this. I do apologise, we get a

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name. I am less cynical than Sebastien because I think there are

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lessons to be learned from the Olympics, I am not sure this

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government will learn indeed the Labour Party because this is new a

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success for the right-wing paradigm of the free market not the left-wing

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paradigms of state intervention. What we had was substantial public

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funding through the lottery, strong national leadership in a number of

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sports and close full -- close cooperation with the voluntary

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sector. Later on in the Sunday Times on the comment pages one of her

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British entrepreneurs, he says why doesn't Britain have a Google. Allah

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says because the Americans, they invested a lot through the

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government and the universities in these tech start-ups. So if we learn

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the real lessons from the Olympics, from both the right and the left the

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need to be some hard thinking about what has made Britons were

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successful in this last fortnight. Indeed every will get parades and

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things, Sebastien, there was some doubt about whether there will be

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one in London and that is bound to be. The politicians will be the big

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time. Absolutely and they want to harness this mood but what about

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your point Peter, there are lessons for all politicians. On the left

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this is an example of how we have taken public funds and use them well

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but for people on the right it is not just black and public funds,

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that is the point, if you take Google, what the US was trying to do

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was they had a problem which was searching, they put money in the

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academics, it filtered through and they found these two chaps and set

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up Google. We have done exactly the same thing with cycling and all of

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the sport we have done well and I'm sure the government will try and do

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that and we will see if it works. We can say one thing, the government

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will not be not investing in the Olympics in the future, they will

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want to make sure that 2020 is just as successful as this. Indeed. Let's

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move on. The mail on Sunday, Peter, going back to this long-running

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business, May and the Tatler Tory, linking the Prime Minister to a

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scandal. Something for going on inside the Tory party. The key

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characters and Matt Clarke who ran a thing called the road to some years

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ago and he has been engulfed in all sorts of allegations about sexual

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malpractice, one of the people involved ended up committing

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suicide. Arguably the Conservative Party should have got shot of him

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along time ago. Allegations which are denied. Theresa May some years

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ago congratulated him on the marvellous was doing. I think it is

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a bit of a stretch to blame the Prime Minister for this. She was not

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running the party at the time, she was Home Secretary. She has been

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asked to go along to support someone who is in place and has not been

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dismissed and of course what is any senior party figure going to do but

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see you are doing a terrific job. It is odd but I don't think this story

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will last more than 24 hours. I suspect, it is interesting, the

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premise as she now Home Secretary, she can be seen slapping the smiling

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Mark Clark on the back. An uncharacteristically excited misses

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me tells Clarke and so on. If you look at the picture we have here,

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this confirms all of the stuff that has come up about the scandal, it is

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in a pub, you have this fellow and his mistress apparently the Prime

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Minister, but the key thing is Theresa May loves campaigning, even

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after she became Prime Minister she went straight back onto the

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doorsteps to really go and push the conservative message. The thing we

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found out from this whole road that scandal this week is it did work in

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some cases. The Conservative Party did find it useful to win seats. It

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is not a surprise that Theresa May liked it. She probably had no idea

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who this guy was. Was a volunteer in the party. Let's move on. The

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Observer, right, I have the Observer here in the desk I think. Some

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people are debating whether I had it right but I have. London they are

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Sadiq Khan seeing bits Corp and now afford it is too late. Google

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staffers on this? Sebastien. It is interesting to me that a couple of

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days ago Sadiq Khan was asked this question firmly and he said he would

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not get involved a few years coming out and really damning Jeremy

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Corbyn. It is a bold move because the not forget that Sadiq Khan was

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one of the 35 MPs who backed Jeremy Corbyn for the Labour leadership

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last year. In his article... Element he nominated him, he did not vote

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for him. We don't know that. He said he didn't. Again this whole thing is

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flip-flopping a little bit but he does say I do not regret nominating

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him because the party had to have that but it is very damning and it

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reflects what a lot of Labour MPs are saying which is that the EU

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referendum was a crunch point, the public did not know Jeremy Corbyn 's

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view in the did not campaign and if UV has now done more campaign events

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for its own leadership in the dead for the whole of the EU referendum

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and for those in the Labour Party they found it totally unacceptable

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that he can campaign strongly for himself but not for the EU, so many

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people in labour like yourself will feel strongly about this. Jeremy

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Corbyn seems to be the man who will get the readership the matter what

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people like Sadiq Khan say. My record predictions is not a great

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one. I think Corp and probably will win, it will be closer than some

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people think but we will see. Let me say this. Sadiq Khan is now the

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tenth, 20th, 30th Labour MP to oppose carbon on the specific

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grounds that Corp can't win a general election for Labour. What

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you are not getting is these MPs on the whole see actually Jeremy Corbyn

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's politics are wrong. This is the debate that isn't happening inside

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the Labour Party as to whether it should lodge towards being a

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thoroughgoing Socialist party, which Jeremy Corbyn consistently in his

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campaign and 33 years as an MP, Corbyn has been a consistent

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hardline socialist so why aren't his opponents taking him on unseen

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hardline socialism, we tried that in the 20th century in a number of

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countries and it was disastrous. But Labour seem scared of having the

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debate. Let's move on. Do you have the Sunday Telegraph? One of you

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does. Let's look at that. First of all they do the greatest games,

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wonderful coverage they have that. That is Nicola Adams. Hasn't Nicola

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Adams done well? But the main story let's go onto that. It is all about

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cosmetic surgery, naming and shaming. Most people will find it

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very strange that these people are not regulated, the specialists who

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do not just cosmetic surgery around the face, they do I surgery, they

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are not properly regulated at the moment. It is one of those stories

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that again, like the dangerous dogs thing, the public have very strong

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feelings about the sort of thing. If you have a laser eye operation it is

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not well regulated, it has a huge personal impact on you. It should

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rightly be called out on. Closing up that sort of the pool is a good

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thing for the government to do. It is not something that you can argue

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about because it is straightforward. The are not operating correctly the

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government should be clamping down. It is the I surgery thing that

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interests me. I say it is so crucial but not very well regulated until

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now. That is right. But one always has the question in any industry we

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have the same thing with care homes and regulation. When anything goes

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wrong anywhere people say, it should be regulated. Here's the problem. If

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you have too much regulation and you stifle enterprise and you end up

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with fewer decent services, and the trick is to get the right balance

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will stop clearly here we have not got the right balance, we probably

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do need more regulation. But let's not go overboard and say let's

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regulate everything. Let's go back, we have the Sun, we are on the

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inside pages with quite a short story that I reckon could be an

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important one. Sebastien, it is Jeremy Corbyn, rebels Co-op split.

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Coming back to the point about what is going on in the Labour Party, is

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Jeremy Corbyn wins again and he probably is most likely to even it

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is by a smaller margin than last time, what do those moderate MPs do

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who do not believe in a hardline socialist agenda? The Co-op party

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which is linked to the Labour Party but a separate entity, may become

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more of its own faction and those moderate MPs may try and create the

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Co-op party within Parliament. This is part of the cooperative movement

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which I'm sure you all about, as they can use that to promote their

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own agenda and push it forward and to have a distinction between

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Corbyn's readership. These rebels have tried to get rid of him at Owen

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Smith, if that doesn't work they have no way of differentiating

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themselves. This could be big. The Sunday Times has the same story in

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greater length, it contains the key point which is that the speaker, if

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they want to have varied opposition instead of Corbyn then they must do

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it through a separate political entity that is recognised by the

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electoral commission. And the Co-op party is recognised by the electoral

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commission so that makes it a possible routes down the track or

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Jeremy Corbyn two replaces the former Leader of the Opposition by

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one of the other current Labour MPs who may become a Co-op MP. It sounds

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wonderfully old-fashioned. The record of party split in the past,

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it does not seem to work. Maybe it is all about to change. You are

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absolutely right, the last time it was tried in the 1980s when the

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social Democrats broke away from the Labour Party it helps keep the

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Conservatives in power for 18 years. Maybe the same will happen this

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time. The trouble is looking at the Labour Party I can see any route out

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of the present dungeon that leads it quickly to the sunlight. They have

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got to if I can extend the metaphor, there is a lot of dark tunnelling

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for years to come. Going back to the same point, a lot of the younger

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members to back Jeremy Corbyn, it is a fact of life. Absolutely and this

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is the problem facing those MPs that you can keep challenging Jeremy

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Corbyn and they will challenging if he wins this leadership contest but

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those 515,000 people, there are more people in the Labour Party than all

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other parties put together and those people like Jeremy Corbyn and you

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have MPs and members in the totally at odds with each other. They either

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have two reconcile themselves with the selection and the MPs are people

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leaving the Labour Party and there's no sign they will leave the party

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any time soon so this is when you think that a split does have to

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happen. Let's end with a wonderful man, Lord rix says he now is. I do

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not know if you have ever met the man. People of our generation will

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have seen him on television many times. The Sunday Mirror has a

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wonderful tribute, as do a number of papers. He was a great actor as you

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and I were growing up long before Sebastien was born, and had a child

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with Downs syndrome which could propel him into campaigning.

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Emitting a life peer in 1992. My wife who was appointed a Labour peer

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worked very closely with him. He was an extraordinary and effective

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advocate in Parliament for disabled people, now the House of Lords is a

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monstrosity democratically, people should be elected, but if you have a

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truly elected House of Lords and you will not get people like Brian rix

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going there. I am not saying there is an easy solution. But perhaps we

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should remember in our tribute to Brian rix that the House of Lords in

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its ludicrous way does allow people like him to play an important and

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positive role in our national life, which equally dead. He changed his

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views on his own experience, which he was open about. -- which he

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equally dead. He was against assisted dying until the last few

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months when he faced his own terminal illness and he wrote to the

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Lord Speaker and said I have changed my mind. A figure perhaps not well

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known to younger generations. Now but it is a very heartening story to

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hear about the campaigning and it is great to realise that Peter is right

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that having that strange mechanism in the British process the people

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who are passionate and have good views and can make a real difference

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is the House of Lords at its best. We should welcome that. It is great

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to see this tribute and find out about someone from an older

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generation who has had a big impact. Just a reminder we take a look

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at tomorrows front pages every Good morning. I hope you're having a

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pleasant Sunday morning.

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