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That is all this board for now. Now on BBC News, The Papers. | :00:00. | :00:16. | |
Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers. | :00:17. | :00:19. | |
With me are journalist and broadcaster Alice Arnold | :00:20. | :00:21. | |
and political commentator James Millar. | :00:22. | :00:26. | |
The Treasury has given millions of pounds intended for war veterans | :00:27. | :00:30. | |
to some unknown charities, claims the Sunday Times. | :00:31. | :00:32. | |
The Independent leads with reports that fish intended for human | :00:33. | :00:34. | |
consumption in Africa are being used as animal feed. | :00:35. | :00:42. | |
The Daily Mail reports on a Syrian migrant using a fake passport | :00:43. | :00:45. | |
to reach the UK on a Ryanair flight. | :00:46. | :00:51. | |
Three servicemen face prosecution for the death over the death | :00:52. | :00:54. | |
of an Iraqi teenager 13 years ago - that's on the Telegraph's | :00:55. | :00:57. | |
Princess Eugenie seeks the Queen's approval for her upcoming marriage, | :00:58. | :01:00. | |
Let's begin. The Observer, Jeremy Corbyn to give party members, to | :01:01. | :01:18. | |
choose shadow team and policy. He plans next stage in party revamp set | :01:19. | :01:27. | |
to prompt MP backlash. This is presuming, as most people think, he | :01:28. | :01:34. | |
will when the election. And the first is getting the party members | :01:35. | :01:39. | |
and not the MPs, far more control. In fact, he wants to broaden | :01:40. | :01:43. | |
democracy, this is how he is putting it. So the members would elect one | :01:44. | :01:52. | |
third of the Shadow cabinets and he talked about digital consultations | :01:53. | :01:57. | |
so I do not know if that means poor policy and people put ideas out and | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
we all thought -- if that means for policy. Critic -- putting it on | :02:03. | :02:12. | |
Twitter. That does not always work. It deep into you ask. You could have | :02:13. | :02:17. | |
democracy by saying MPs are elected by people or you can say people who | :02:18. | :02:22. | |
choose to join our party should have a bigger say because they are party | :02:23. | :02:28. | |
members. It is a self-selecting group. You will have the time to | :02:29. | :02:34. | |
decide whether they think his policy is good or bad, whereas people who | :02:35. | :02:40. | |
are more willing to get involved instead of just the people who vote | :02:41. | :02:44. | |
every five years, which are the people he has to win over with these | :02:45. | :02:49. | |
policies. Everyone thinks he will one next week but the question is | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
what is next? How do you put this thing back together that is so | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
fractured over the summer. To look at it one way, any party that split | :02:59. | :03:03. | |
in Britain is doomed because of our electoral system for first past the | :03:04. | :03:09. | |
post. Therefore there are reasons to stick together but reasons in bad | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
manages to stay together but it may not make for a happier life. -- bad | :03:14. | :03:19. | |
marriages. This is why he is moving to this different sort of democracy, | :03:20. | :03:25. | |
it is delegates rather than representatives and our party system | :03:26. | :03:29. | |
we have always bent with people representing us, we vote for them | :03:30. | :03:35. | |
and they fought on their own accord. I think the only way Gerry McCann | :03:36. | :03:43. | |
controlled power is to say to the members -- the only way for Jeremy | :03:44. | :03:47. | |
Corbyn to control the party is to put this out to the party members. | :03:48. | :03:53. | |
It is all about mandates because you will have this mandate if the party | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
gets to elect some of the Shadow Cabinet members they will have a | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
mandate. He is worried some of his MPs will go back in the Shadow | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
Cabinet and worry about the # They will control the cabinet and | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
they will not have to do what he does. | :04:14. | :04:19. | |
Let's move on to the Telegraph. Tory MPs set up new group to push for | :04:20. | :04:25. | |
Brexit. They are pushing for a hard Brexit. This is presumably to haul | :04:26. | :04:32. | |
police are made to account over pushing hard for this. -- holder | :04:33. | :04:38. | |
Theresa May. There are only six MPs and this group and they are the | :04:39. | :04:45. | |
group that wants to push Brexit faster, they want her visa made to | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
get on with it. There is some frustration in the party that | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
nothing is happening and she's been very secretive about what the deals | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
may be but this is a group who was out of the single market, they do | :04:59. | :05:03. | |
not want movement of people, they are called is hard Brexit. Hard | :05:04. | :05:11. | |
Brexit and soft Brexit, new terms are we better get used to. No one | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
knew what they voted for when they voted for Brexit. Work that hard or | :05:17. | :05:23. | |
soft? This is the trouble with referendums,. When Theresa May said | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
Brexit means Brexit it sounds nonsense but it is kind of crew -- | :05:29. | :05:33. | |
threw in that that is all people voted for but now various people are | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
trying to cast that in whatever light they want so these guys are | :05:39. | :05:41. | |
saying it's means leaving the single market and low freedom of movement | :05:42. | :05:46. | |
but not one actually specifically voted for that. James, because abuse | :05:47. | :05:51. | |
of his background is I want to ask you, have the Scottish referendum | :05:52. | :05:56. | |
when the other way there would be complicated process of separation | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
and do you think that seeing how complicated Brexit is actually makes | :06:02. | :06:05. | |
people think may be staying within the UK is a good idea because we | :06:06. | :06:11. | |
will be in a mess that we don't. There is an argument that will | :06:12. | :06:14. | |
happen and Brexit will be so messy the second referendum that will | :06:15. | :06:20. | |
almost certainly happen, when is anybody's guess, it could play into | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
the argument around that looking at that was a mess and badly affected | :06:25. | :06:31. | |
economy, we do not know the effect on the economy of Brexit yet, but it | :06:32. | :06:37. | |
could go badly so it would be easy for the No campaign in the Scottish | :06:38. | :06:41. | |
referendum to point that and see you do not want to go through that. | :06:42. | :06:47. | |
Project Via all over again. The Sunday Times has some interesting | :06:48. | :06:55. | |
stories. Treasury give away in without checking. Charities have | :06:56. | :06:58. | |
come under a lot more stringently in the past few years --, under more | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
scrutiny. This reminds me of the kid gay | :07:04. | :07:14. | |
thing. This was from the libor -- Kent Gates. -- kid gate thing. It | :07:15. | :07:25. | |
seems that money has been given out to some dodgy charities, charities | :07:26. | :07:34. | |
using unproven techniques and one of them is called Warriors and uses | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
linguistic programming and sat and things but there is no proof any of | :07:39. | :07:43. | |
this has any effect. A lot of that money seems to have fallen into | :07:44. | :07:51. | |
masqueraded hands. The problem is a much wider problem which is if you | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
think you are giving money and it is not going to the people you think | :07:56. | :07:59. | |
what it has gone into administration or whatever, you might stop | :08:00. | :08:03. | |
altogether and become blind to the great work most charities do. That | :08:04. | :08:08. | |
is a lot of the problem. I do not think these are necessarily bad but | :08:09. | :08:14. | |
most of them are not bad people bad charities, they are well meaning who | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
want to do something for vitamins but the trouble is it is not that | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
straightforward running a charity -- for veterans. You have to show where | :08:24. | :08:27. | |
the money is going and you are actually doing something and so | :08:28. | :08:30. | |
they're the ones that have a good name ten to get tarnished and | :08:31. | :08:38. | |
everybody what is if these people are good guys or are the just | :08:39. | :08:41. | |
chancers. I was struck by this story on the | :08:42. | :08:47. | |
left, cancer treatment stopped to pay for HIV dog. The big picture is | :08:48. | :08:52. | |
obviously the NHS about choices -- HIV drug. Actually choices have to | :08:53. | :09:03. | |
be made. This is awful because there are three individuals here who have | :09:04. | :09:08. | |
gone through, I know a small bit about this, and one of them has | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
befallen blood cancer and in order to have a stem cell transplant you | :09:14. | :09:19. | |
have to go through extreme chemotherapy and art made extremely | :09:20. | :09:21. | |
sick just before the stem cell transplant. These people have gone | :09:22. | :09:27. | |
that far and now told they cannot get the transplants. That, those are | :09:28. | :09:35. | |
awful of course, the bigger picture is the NHS is always balancing, it | :09:36. | :09:41. | |
is not a bottomless pit and the old happy balance one treatment for | :09:42. | :09:44. | |
another and what seems to have happened here is these people have | :09:45. | :09:49. | |
gone a long way down the road for the treatment and will now not get | :09:50. | :09:54. | |
it. I do not think that could be right. It is a horrible story, the | :09:55. | :10:02. | |
idea of setting up one treatment for another. It is always about choices. | :10:03. | :10:08. | |
It is a fairly unpleasant way of doing things. I was interested in | :10:09. | :10:18. | |
the fact it goes in on a senior NHS consultant, gynaecologist and a | :10:19. | :10:21. | |
mother of three. These people are somehow OK and should get treatment | :10:22. | :10:25. | |
because they are doing middle-class things are producing children. You | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
wonder if the Sunday Times would have put it on the front if it was | :10:31. | :10:36. | |
sunny and bad people, according to news legend, unemployed people, | :10:37. | :10:40. | |
scroungers, as they sometimes put it, would it still be on the front | :10:41. | :10:47. | |
page? And also the fact it is the HIV drug, a controversial drug. | :10:48. | :10:58. | |
Shocking security lapses on Ryanair. What do you make of this? I don't | :10:59. | :11:08. | |
know if he could have been aged happy. He came from Syria to Greece | :11:09. | :11:14. | |
so I estimate some check was carried out when he got to Greece. But it is | :11:15. | :11:22. | |
really amazing he got on a bus to Athens and got onto the Ryanair | :11:23. | :11:25. | |
flight and served up in Stansted on somebody else's passport. The art | :11:26. | :11:30. | |
airport security certainly have questions to answer. Us Athens | :11:31. | :11:40. | |
airport security cell we are trying to blame the British security here | :11:41. | :11:43. | |
but it has nothing to do with that, it is to do with the Greek one. When | :11:44. | :11:49. | |
he got to Stansted he did not get any further sort that was some | :11:50. | :11:55. | |
security and border control there. I think pretty much anybody I know the | :11:56. | :12:00. | |
travel through petition airport for their summer holidays with | :12:01. | :12:04. | |
recognised that you are stopped and checked and sometimes it takes a | :12:05. | :12:09. | |
long time. One of the nice things was the border force work that most | :12:10. | :12:14. | |
of them. They said, how are you? Are you OK, are you hungry? You have | :12:15. | :12:21. | |
come from this terrible place. He has had a dreadful life in Syria and | :12:22. | :12:28. | |
saw his brother being bull-headed -- brother being beheaded and he says | :12:29. | :12:35. | |
everyone has been very kind since he arrived. Now he is on the front page | :12:36. | :12:40. | |
of the Mail, things might change. I was struck on the comment page of | :12:41. | :12:45. | |
the Observer talking about the Russian hacking of the US election | :12:46. | :12:50. | |
is the most extreme case of how the internet is changing our politics. | :12:51. | :12:57. | |
She is not driving while texting, I should just point out! What do you | :12:58. | :13:03. | |
make of this? Because the internet has changed our politics, Donald | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
Trump is on Twitter all the time, it seems. It is a really good Sunday | :13:09. | :13:13. | |
newspaper abuse, it is what Sunday newspapers are for. -- a really good | :13:14. | :13:22. | |
Sunday newspaper piece. It is intriguing culprit seems to, to a | :13:23. | :13:30. | |
point -- how it comes to a point around this US election because | :13:31. | :13:33. | |
Donald Trump bid on Twitter all the time and a lot of rumours around | :13:34. | :13:39. | |
Hillary Clinton catching on on Facebook and Twitter, the idea she | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
had a body double. It is insane but it is catching on and that, the | :13:45. | :13:52. | |
internet, is where these things get started and spread. That is true | :13:53. | :13:55. | |
because we tend to follow people we agree with. Who is a comedian who | :13:56. | :14:12. | |
coined the expression Marieke Vervoort truthness which is | :14:13. | :14:15. | |
something that is not true but feels true. -- the expression truthness. | :14:16. | :14:23. | |
On the bigger picture, we think we are talking about where people know | :14:24. | :14:27. | |
their band of exposure to view that are not what they agree with so we | :14:28. | :14:31. | |
follow people on Facebook and Twitter and read things that we | :14:32. | :14:40. | |
generally agree with and therefore our world is getting smaller and | :14:41. | :14:44. | |
smaller, not necessarily based on truth, just based on people throwing | :14:45. | :14:48. | |
up things and going, we think this, we think that and because we follow | :14:49. | :14:54. | |
them we agree and fact is falling by the wayside. Where does that leave | :14:55. | :14:59. | |
the mainstream media trying to do the fact checking? The Washington | :15:00. | :15:03. | |
Post has this binocular index that gives for Pinocchios -- penalty. But | :15:04. | :15:16. | |
does anybody care? Yes, some people do. The other thing to bear in mind | :15:17. | :15:21. | |
is although the internet is fundamental it is not as big as we | :15:22. | :15:27. | |
think it is, perhaps. I think the EU referendum showed that that there | :15:28. | :15:32. | |
are a lot of people in metropolitan areas treating each other but most | :15:33. | :15:37. | |
people in large areas of the country are going out to work coming home | :15:38. | :15:42. | |
and watching TV. It is trying to find that balance which is the key. | :15:43. | :15:49. | |
That is it for the papers. Our thanks to our guests. We take a look | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
at tomorrow's front pages every evening at 10:40pm here on BBC News. | :15:54. | :16:12. | |
We are moving into if spell of pretty benign autumn | :16:13. | :16:13. |