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That is all this board for now. Now on BBC News, The Papers.


Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.


With me are journalist and broadcaster Alice Arnold


and political commentator James Millar.


The Treasury has given millions of pounds intended for war veterans


to some unknown charities, claims the Sunday Times.


The Independent leads with reports that fish intended for human


consumption in Africa are being used as animal feed.


The Daily Mail reports on a Syrian migrant using a fake passport


to reach the UK on a Ryanair flight.


Three servicemen face prosecution for the death over the death


of an Iraqi teenager 13 years ago - that's on the Telegraph's


Princess Eugenie seeks the Queen's approval for her upcoming marriage,


Let's begin. The Observer, Jeremy Corbyn to give party members, to


choose shadow team and policy. He plans next stage in party revamp set


to prompt MP backlash. This is presuming, as most people think, he


will when the election. And the first is getting the party members


and not the MPs, far more control. In fact, he wants to broaden


democracy, this is how he is putting it. So the members would elect one


third of the Shadow cabinets and he talked about digital consultations


so I do not know if that means poor policy and people put ideas out and


we all thought -- if that means for policy. Critic -- putting it on


Twitter. That does not always work. It deep into you ask. You could have


democracy by saying MPs are elected by people or you can say people who


choose to join our party should have a bigger say because they are party


members. It is a self-selecting group. You will have the time to


decide whether they think his policy is good or bad, whereas people who


are more willing to get involved instead of just the people who vote


every five years, which are the people he has to win over with these


policies. Everyone thinks he will one next week but the question is


what is next? How do you put this thing back together that is so


fractured over the summer. To look at it one way, any party that split


in Britain is doomed because of our electoral system for first past the


post. Therefore there are reasons to stick together but reasons in bad


manages to stay together but it may not make for a happier life. -- bad


marriages. This is why he is moving to this different sort of democracy,


it is delegates rather than representatives and our party system


we have always bent with people representing us, we vote for them


and they fought on their own accord. I think the only way Gerry McCann


controlled power is to say to the members -- the only way for Jeremy


Corbyn to control the party is to put this out to the party members.


It is all about mandates because you will have this mandate if the party


gets to elect some of the Shadow Cabinet members they will have a


mandate. He is worried some of his MPs will go back in the Shadow


Cabinet and worry about the # They will control the cabinet and


they will not have to do what he does.


Let's move on to the Telegraph. Tory MPs set up new group to push for


Brexit. They are pushing for a hard Brexit. This is presumably to haul


police are made to account over pushing hard for this. -- holder


Theresa May. There are only six MPs and this group and they are the


group that wants to push Brexit faster, they want her visa made to


get on with it. There is some frustration in the party that


nothing is happening and she's been very secretive about what the deals


may be but this is a group who was out of the single market, they do


not want movement of people, they are called is hard Brexit. Hard


Brexit and soft Brexit, new terms are we better get used to. No one


knew what they voted for when they voted for Brexit. Work that hard or


soft? This is the trouble with referendums,. When Theresa May said


Brexit means Brexit it sounds nonsense but it is kind of crew --


threw in that that is all people voted for but now various people are


trying to cast that in whatever light they want so these guys are


saying it's means leaving the single market and low freedom of movement


but not one actually specifically voted for that. James, because abuse


of his background is I want to ask you, have the Scottish referendum


when the other way there would be complicated process of separation


and do you think that seeing how complicated Brexit is actually makes


people think may be staying within the UK is a good idea because we


will be in a mess that we don't. There is an argument that will


happen and Brexit will be so messy the second referendum that will


almost certainly happen, when is anybody's guess, it could play into


the argument around that looking at that was a mess and badly affected


economy, we do not know the effect on the economy of Brexit yet, but it


could go badly so it would be easy for the No campaign in the Scottish


referendum to point that and see you do not want to go through that.


Project Via all over again. The Sunday Times has some interesting


stories. Treasury give away in without checking. Charities have


come under a lot more stringently in the past few years --, under more


scrutiny. This reminds me of the kid gay


thing. This was from the libor -- Kent Gates. -- kid gate thing. It


seems that money has been given out to some dodgy charities, charities


using unproven techniques and one of them is called Warriors and uses


linguistic programming and sat and things but there is no proof any of


this has any effect. A lot of that money seems to have fallen into


masqueraded hands. The problem is a much wider problem which is if you


think you are giving money and it is not going to the people you think


what it has gone into administration or whatever, you might stop


altogether and become blind to the great work most charities do. That


is a lot of the problem. I do not think these are necessarily bad but


most of them are not bad people bad charities, they are well meaning who


want to do something for vitamins but the trouble is it is not that


straightforward running a charity -- for veterans. You have to show where


the money is going and you are actually doing something and so


they're the ones that have a good name ten to get tarnished and


everybody what is if these people are good guys or are the just


chancers. I was struck by this story on the


left, cancer treatment stopped to pay for HIV dog. The big picture is


obviously the NHS about choices -- HIV drug. Actually choices have to


be made. This is awful because there are three individuals here who have


gone through, I know a small bit about this, and one of them has


befallen blood cancer and in order to have a stem cell transplant you


have to go through extreme chemotherapy and art made extremely


sick just before the stem cell transplant. These people have gone


that far and now told they cannot get the transplants. That, those are


awful of course, the bigger picture is the NHS is always balancing, it


is not a bottomless pit and the old happy balance one treatment for


another and what seems to have happened here is these people have


gone a long way down the road for the treatment and will now not get


it. I do not think that could be right. It is a horrible story, the


idea of setting up one treatment for another. It is always about choices.


It is a fairly unpleasant way of doing things. I was interested in


the fact it goes in on a senior NHS consultant, gynaecologist and a


mother of three. These people are somehow OK and should get treatment


because they are doing middle-class things are producing children. You


wonder if the Sunday Times would have put it on the front if it was


sunny and bad people, according to news legend, unemployed people,


scroungers, as they sometimes put it, would it still be on the front


page? And also the fact it is the HIV drug, a controversial drug.


Shocking security lapses on Ryanair. What do you make of this? I don't


know if he could have been aged happy. He came from Syria to Greece


so I estimate some check was carried out when he got to Greece. But it is


really amazing he got on a bus to Athens and got onto the Ryanair


flight and served up in Stansted on somebody else's passport. The art


airport security certainly have questions to answer. Us Athens


airport security cell we are trying to blame the British security here


but it has nothing to do with that, it is to do with the Greek one. When


he got to Stansted he did not get any further sort that was some


security and border control there. I think pretty much anybody I know the


travel through petition airport for their summer holidays with


recognised that you are stopped and checked and sometimes it takes a


long time. One of the nice things was the border force work that most


of them. They said, how are you? Are you OK, are you hungry? You have


come from this terrible place. He has had a dreadful life in Syria and


saw his brother being bull-headed -- brother being beheaded and he says


everyone has been very kind since he arrived. Now he is on the front page


of the Mail, things might change. I was struck on the comment page of


the Observer talking about the Russian hacking of the US election


is the most extreme case of how the internet is changing our politics.


She is not driving while texting, I should just point out! What do you


make of this? Because the internet has changed our politics, Donald


Trump is on Twitter all the time, it seems. It is a really good Sunday


newspaper abuse, it is what Sunday newspapers are for. -- a really good


Sunday newspaper piece. It is intriguing culprit seems to, to a


point -- how it comes to a point around this US election because


Donald Trump bid on Twitter all the time and a lot of rumours around


Hillary Clinton catching on on Facebook and Twitter, the idea she


had a body double. It is insane but it is catching on and that, the


internet, is where these things get started and spread. That is true


because we tend to follow people we agree with. Who is a comedian who


coined the expression Marieke Vervoort truthness which is


something that is not true but feels true. -- the expression truthness.


On the bigger picture, we think we are talking about where people know


their band of exposure to view that are not what they agree with so we


follow people on Facebook and Twitter and read things that we


generally agree with and therefore our world is getting smaller and


smaller, not necessarily based on truth, just based on people throwing


up things and going, we think this, we think that and because we follow


them we agree and fact is falling by the wayside. Where does that leave


the mainstream media trying to do the fact checking? The Washington


Post has this binocular index that gives for Pinocchios -- penalty. But


does anybody care? Yes, some people do. The other thing to bear in mind


is although the internet is fundamental it is not as big as we


think it is, perhaps. I think the EU referendum showed that that there


are a lot of people in metropolitan areas treating each other but most


people in large areas of the country are going out to work coming home


and watching TV. It is trying to find that balance which is the key.


That is it for the papers. Our thanks to our guests. We take a look


at tomorrow's front pages every evening at 10:40pm here on BBC News.


We are moving into if spell of pretty benign autumn


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