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That is all this board for now. Now on BBC News, The Papers.

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Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.

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With me are journalist and broadcaster Alice Arnold

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and political commentator James Millar.

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The Treasury has given millions of pounds intended for war veterans

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to some unknown charities, claims the Sunday Times.

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The Independent leads with reports that fish intended for human

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consumption in Africa are being used as animal feed.

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The Daily Mail reports on a Syrian migrant using a fake passport

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to reach the UK on a Ryanair flight.

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Three servicemen face prosecution for the death over the death

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of an Iraqi teenager 13 years ago - that's on the Telegraph's

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Princess Eugenie seeks the Queen's approval for her upcoming marriage,

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Let's begin. The Observer, Jeremy Corbyn to give party members, to

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choose shadow team and policy. He plans next stage in party revamp set

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to prompt MP backlash. This is presuming, as most people think, he

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will when the election. And the first is getting the party members

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and not the MPs, far more control. In fact, he wants to broaden

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democracy, this is how he is putting it. So the members would elect one

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third of the Shadow cabinets and he talked about digital consultations

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so I do not know if that means poor policy and people put ideas out and

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we all thought -- if that means for policy. Critic -- putting it on

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Twitter. That does not always work. It deep into you ask. You could have

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democracy by saying MPs are elected by people or you can say people who

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choose to join our party should have a bigger say because they are party

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members. It is a self-selecting group. You will have the time to

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decide whether they think his policy is good or bad, whereas people who

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are more willing to get involved instead of just the people who vote

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every five years, which are the people he has to win over with these

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policies. Everyone thinks he will one next week but the question is

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what is next? How do you put this thing back together that is so

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fractured over the summer. To look at it one way, any party that split

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in Britain is doomed because of our electoral system for first past the

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post. Therefore there are reasons to stick together but reasons in bad

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manages to stay together but it may not make for a happier life. -- bad

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marriages. This is why he is moving to this different sort of democracy,

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it is delegates rather than representatives and our party system

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we have always bent with people representing us, we vote for them

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and they fought on their own accord. I think the only way Gerry McCann

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controlled power is to say to the members -- the only way for Jeremy

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Corbyn to control the party is to put this out to the party members.

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It is all about mandates because you will have this mandate if the party

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gets to elect some of the Shadow Cabinet members they will have a

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mandate. He is worried some of his MPs will go back in the Shadow

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Cabinet and worry about the # They will control the cabinet and

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they will not have to do what he does.

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Let's move on to the Telegraph. Tory MPs set up new group to push for

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Brexit. They are pushing for a hard Brexit. This is presumably to haul

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police are made to account over pushing hard for this. -- holder

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Theresa May. There are only six MPs and this group and they are the

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group that wants to push Brexit faster, they want her visa made to

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get on with it. There is some frustration in the party that

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nothing is happening and she's been very secretive about what the deals

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may be but this is a group who was out of the single market, they do

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not want movement of people, they are called is hard Brexit. Hard

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Brexit and soft Brexit, new terms are we better get used to. No one

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knew what they voted for when they voted for Brexit. Work that hard or

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soft? This is the trouble with referendums,. When Theresa May said

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Brexit means Brexit it sounds nonsense but it is kind of crew --

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threw in that that is all people voted for but now various people are

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trying to cast that in whatever light they want so these guys are

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saying it's means leaving the single market and low freedom of movement

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but not one actually specifically voted for that. James, because abuse

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of his background is I want to ask you, have the Scottish referendum

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when the other way there would be complicated process of separation

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and do you think that seeing how complicated Brexit is actually makes

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people think may be staying within the UK is a good idea because we

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will be in a mess that we don't. There is an argument that will

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happen and Brexit will be so messy the second referendum that will

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almost certainly happen, when is anybody's guess, it could play into

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the argument around that looking at that was a mess and badly affected

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economy, we do not know the effect on the economy of Brexit yet, but it

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could go badly so it would be easy for the No campaign in the Scottish

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referendum to point that and see you do not want to go through that.

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Project Via all over again. The Sunday Times has some interesting

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stories. Treasury give away in without checking. Charities have

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come under a lot more stringently in the past few years --, under more

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scrutiny. This reminds me of the kid gay

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thing. This was from the libor -- Kent Gates. -- kid gate thing. It

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seems that money has been given out to some dodgy charities, charities

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using unproven techniques and one of them is called Warriors and uses

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linguistic programming and sat and things but there is no proof any of

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this has any effect. A lot of that money seems to have fallen into

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masqueraded hands. The problem is a much wider problem which is if you

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think you are giving money and it is not going to the people you think

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what it has gone into administration or whatever, you might stop

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altogether and become blind to the great work most charities do. That

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is a lot of the problem. I do not think these are necessarily bad but

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most of them are not bad people bad charities, they are well meaning who

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want to do something for vitamins but the trouble is it is not that

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straightforward running a charity -- for veterans. You have to show where

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the money is going and you are actually doing something and so

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they're the ones that have a good name ten to get tarnished and

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everybody what is if these people are good guys or are the just

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chancers. I was struck by this story on the

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left, cancer treatment stopped to pay for HIV dog. The big picture is

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obviously the NHS about choices -- HIV drug. Actually choices have to

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be made. This is awful because there are three individuals here who have

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gone through, I know a small bit about this, and one of them has

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befallen blood cancer and in order to have a stem cell transplant you

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have to go through extreme chemotherapy and art made extremely

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sick just before the stem cell transplant. These people have gone

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that far and now told they cannot get the transplants. That, those are

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awful of course, the bigger picture is the NHS is always balancing, it

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is not a bottomless pit and the old happy balance one treatment for

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another and what seems to have happened here is these people have

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gone a long way down the road for the treatment and will now not get

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it. I do not think that could be right. It is a horrible story, the

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idea of setting up one treatment for another. It is always about choices.

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It is a fairly unpleasant way of doing things. I was interested in

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the fact it goes in on a senior NHS consultant, gynaecologist and a

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mother of three. These people are somehow OK and should get treatment

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because they are doing middle-class things are producing children. You

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wonder if the Sunday Times would have put it on the front if it was

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sunny and bad people, according to news legend, unemployed people,

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scroungers, as they sometimes put it, would it still be on the front

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page? And also the fact it is the HIV drug, a controversial drug.

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Shocking security lapses on Ryanair. What do you make of this? I don't

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know if he could have been aged happy. He came from Syria to Greece

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so I estimate some check was carried out when he got to Greece. But it is

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really amazing he got on a bus to Athens and got onto the Ryanair

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flight and served up in Stansted on somebody else's passport. The art

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airport security certainly have questions to answer. Us Athens

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airport security cell we are trying to blame the British security here

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but it has nothing to do with that, it is to do with the Greek one. When

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he got to Stansted he did not get any further sort that was some

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security and border control there. I think pretty much anybody I know the

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travel through petition airport for their summer holidays with

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recognised that you are stopped and checked and sometimes it takes a

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long time. One of the nice things was the border force work that most

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of them. They said, how are you? Are you OK, are you hungry? You have

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come from this terrible place. He has had a dreadful life in Syria and

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saw his brother being bull-headed -- brother being beheaded and he says

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everyone has been very kind since he arrived. Now he is on the front page

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of the Mail, things might change. I was struck on the comment page of

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the Observer talking about the Russian hacking of the US election

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is the most extreme case of how the internet is changing our politics.

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She is not driving while texting, I should just point out! What do you

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make of this? Because the internet has changed our politics, Donald

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Trump is on Twitter all the time, it seems. It is a really good Sunday

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newspaper abuse, it is what Sunday newspapers are for. -- a really good

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Sunday newspaper piece. It is intriguing culprit seems to, to a

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point -- how it comes to a point around this US election because

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Donald Trump bid on Twitter all the time and a lot of rumours around

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Hillary Clinton catching on on Facebook and Twitter, the idea she

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had a body double. It is insane but it is catching on and that, the

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internet, is where these things get started and spread. That is true

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because we tend to follow people we agree with. Who is a comedian who

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coined the expression Marieke Vervoort truthness which is

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something that is not true but feels true. -- the expression truthness.

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On the bigger picture, we think we are talking about where people know

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their band of exposure to view that are not what they agree with so we

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follow people on Facebook and Twitter and read things that we

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generally agree with and therefore our world is getting smaller and

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smaller, not necessarily based on truth, just based on people throwing

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up things and going, we think this, we think that and because we follow

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them we agree and fact is falling by the wayside. Where does that leave

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the mainstream media trying to do the fact checking? The Washington

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Post has this binocular index that gives for Pinocchios -- penalty. But

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does anybody care? Yes, some people do. The other thing to bear in mind

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is although the internet is fundamental it is not as big as we

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think it is, perhaps. I think the EU referendum showed that that there

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are a lot of people in metropolitan areas treating each other but most

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people in large areas of the country are going out to work coming home

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and watching TV. It is trying to find that balance which is the key.

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That is it for the papers. Our thanks to our guests. We take a look

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at tomorrow's front pages every evening at 10:40pm here on BBC News.

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We are moving into if spell of pretty benign autumn

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