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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers


With me are the freelance journalist Samira Shackle


The Telegraph leads with the undercover filming


of Southampton Football Club's assistant manager, Eric Black,


allegedly giving bribery advice to officials.


The Mirror is also focusing on that story,


with calls for a public inquiry into football corruption.


The Metro has more on the abduction and rape of a 14-year-old girl


The Guardian is leading with the rise of mental illness


The top story in the Express the doubling of dementia cases


making it the second biggest killer after heart disease in Britain.


The Daily Mail has the Archbishop of York


accusing European countries of shunting migrants


And the Sun has details of the divorce settlement paid out by darts


player Phil Taylor. Let's begin with the football story,


it is good that you are here, David, the former chief executive of the


FA! Very good for me! Let's talk about today, it is the assistant


manager at Southampton, Eric Black, who is in the frame. What do you


make of the allegations? Tell us a little bit about them. Well, people


will judge the allegation, which basically seems to be that it is


alleged that Mr Black was trying to help this phoney phone company,


which suggested they wanted to get involved with transfer companies,


and it is suggesting that they wanted to get involved, they needed


to bung one or two people who were working perhaps lower down the food


chain in football, where a few thousand pounds might make a


difference to them. Now, Mr Black is very clear that he absolutely denies


the charges. But the general point, I think, Christian, is that it has


been, whatever you think of the allegations, a good week, probably


an award-winning week for the Daily Telegraph, with its ten months of


inquiries into the sometimes murky side of the not so beautiful game.


It has cost an England manager his job, and certainly one or two other


people their jobs. Around the world, I have to tell you, there is some


relish that the English, who are reputation for being bit holier than


now, certainly within Fifa, have got their comeuppance. -- thou. And it


remains to be seen where this heads, but the key thing, as a number of


people are starting to say, is if what comes out of this is reform of


the football organisations, proper corporate governance, and proper


regulation of the sport, then, actually, the pain may have been


worthwhile. We will come back to that as a second. Samir, there has


been a lot said about the idea of and and, Gary Lineker saying it may


have left some bad people out of the game, but what do you think? --


entrapment. It is a really tricky area, and it so often comes up in


these big tabloid stories in relation to celebrities and so on


where there is a less clear public interest defence. It is a tricky


area, because you can justify it a lot more if it is on the basis that


you are showing corruption that is there already, rather than causing


someone to do something they wouldn't have done otherwise. One


issue with football, as someone who casually observes it, it seems to be


dizzying scandal after scandal, so it seems there is a clear course to


believe that, without the entrapment, corruption would have


been going on anyway. It is not like this is a totally isolated incident,


a steady stream of stories suggests it is not just one person who was


led astray by errant journalists. Looking at the Mirror, they are


going with Damian Collins, who is standing in as the head of the


select committee on media, culture and sport. We had him on the


programme a few days ago, and he said he had had concerns for some


time about this. I said, why are we only hearing about it now? Today he


is saying that perhaps he wants a full-blown inquiry. To be fair to Mr


Collins, he has raised these matters before, and they have swirled


around. People seem to forget that there have been inquiries into


so-called bungs by very senior former police officers et cetera in


my time, this was going on. And they, came up with nothing. So you


went back to them and said, thanks very much... I have to say, it was


not me, but it was one of the football organisations, the Premier


League had a very clear inquiry. But the basic problem is, I regret to


tell you that these committees have reported on things before, and it


actually doesn't change anything. Government say, we will get


involved, and we say, yes, we would like you to, because we have failed,


football has failed to reform itself. Then you say to government,


come and help us. We have got our own problems. Some fans would say it


is up to the FA to get their house in order. They have failed to do so


because of the structure of football, each individual


organisation has its own priorities. And reform, with the ridiculous


majorities that you have to get to get change, has proved beyond the


generations that I was part of. I wish we could talk about it more,


but we need to rattle through the stories. The Telegraph, the sex


abuse inquiry, a new line in the last hour actually, that Ben


Emmerson, the lead counsel, was suspended earlier today, he has


resigned, and Junior counsel Elizabeth Price Xhaka has also


resigned, two in 24 hours. This was supposed to get off the ground in


2014, but two proposed chairs resigned, there were various


resignations over the course of the inquiry, a question earlier this


year about links to establishment figures. It is really a pretty dire


situation. It is interesting that Theresa May stepped in after today's


news to say that there would be no scaling back of the inquiry. There


was a question, questions over the scale of it, whether that had


something to do with it. And she said it up as Home Secretary.


Absolutely, and we have survivors and victims saying they are losing


faith in the process. Survivors are presumably the people who really


matter in all of this, and regardless of what Theresa May may


feel now, and what she felt when she was setting it all up as Home


Secretary, there has to be, surely, something fundamentally wrong when


they are on their fourth chair at the moment? And now all these


lawyers are going out the door. Is there a danger that it is a poisoned


chalice? There are obviously equally eminent QCs who could do this, but


you have to commit to this for many years, it is a career decision,


isn't it? Certainly. That would appear to be the case, but are the


terms of reference, is the organisation itself currently fit


for purpose? That is what you surely must ask, and does it need some form


of reorganisation internally? You do not necessarily have to change the


terms of reference as well. It is split into 13 sections, the


internet, things about Lambeth, you name it, it goes on all sort of


different directions. So split it into different constituencies? I am


asking the question, I am not qualified to know, but there has to


be something fundamentally wrong. There are lots of stories today


about mental illness, we will pick up what we have been reporting


today, on the top of the Guardian, one in five women reported a common


mental illness, that is extraordinary, isn't it? It is, the


stats are really astonishing. One in four women aged 16 to 24 have self


harm that some point, it is really quite shocking, the numbers.


Particularly if it is due to social media, which is what they are


saying, that is a young subsection. Social media is not gender specific,


I suppose, I guess you could argue that body image pressures are more


on women, as much as they are in general society, and social media


often reflects trends that we see in larger society. But why is it a


disproportionate number of women compared to men that are suffering?


As I see this, it is still further evidence of a mental health prices


in this country that I think was first highlighted by the much


maligned former Deputy Prime Minister, Nick Clegg. Several years


ago. And the honest answer to your question is, at the moment, it seems


nobody knows why young women seem to be so much at risk, in comparison


with young men. But you know, this is the age of social media. You have


picked up on a good point, body image, my daughter is obsessed with


Snapchat, for example, she is honoured over time if I would let


her! It is all about image, it is about social media, what your


friends are doing, and it puts a lot of pressure on you. It is


interesting, the gender aspect, because it puts a lot of pressure on


young people across the board. There is a lot of pressure on young boys


as well, constantly being in touch. But I think it is quite easy to put


everything at the door of social media, but I think for the most part


it and provides trends we see in the world, and if we are talking about


body image, there always have been much greater pressures on women than


men. So perhaps we are seeing that, social media and the way we organise


our social lives, that is ample buying the pressure that is already


there and young women. -- amplifying. But I think it is


difficult to blame something on social media without also looking at


the much wider pressures on women. There is a very simple figure,


reports of self harm among 16 to 24 has doubled in men to 7.9%, trebled


in women to 19.7%. That is between 2007 and 2014. Extraordinary,


extraordinary figures. Looking at the Daily Mail, at last is the


headline, Bishop who talks sense and migrants, the Archbishop of York,


Jon Santacana, who has weighed in on the big row between the British and


French on the Jungle in Calais. -- Johnson. I am quite surprised,


because it bucks the trend, as the headline points out, the sort of


comments we have genuinely seen coming out of senior members of the


church, Justin Welby in March saying that on the one hand, you should not


condemn concerns about immigration being down to racism, but he also


compared Britain's record on immigration and the crisis


unfavourably to Germany taking 1 million refugees to our 20,000. I


think he was much more in keeping with the comments we have seen from


senior members of the Church of England in recent years, not just


this year - a call for doing our humanitarian duty, a call for


compassion and so on, so quite interesting to see Johnson Tambo


kind of echoing lots of the mainstream political rhetoric. --


John Sentamu. Basically talking about the Schengen visa system being


down to the Calais crisis, he talked about Britain being seen as a soft


touch. It might be fair enough if we were taking a lot of migrants! We


are not taking a great number from the camp. This story makes my blood


boil. We have a failure of politicians in the Middle East, in


Europe, and in, dare I say it, the land of the free in America, and


over more than two years now this problem has been here, and if this


story is what it is appears to be, I mean, one has to ask, does the


Archbishop realise the figures that you have just heard quoted at you?


The Estyn? Eastern European countries are asking for freedom of


movement, but they are perhaps as guilty as anyone. Blame shifting is


not helping, so for John Sentamu to be talking about Britain being a


soft touch, blaming other countries for the border crisis at Calais, it


is not down to any other country, and we are not in any position as a


wealthy, developed nation to point the finger at other nations, saying,


this is all because of you. It is a collective failure of policy over


decades, not just the last year. We are running out of time, restaurants


ordered to reduce the size of puddings. Coming into night, I had a


very nice treble ice cream! And here we are, the nanny state... Jeremy


Hunt has met them, he says it is no longer a treat to eat, everyone is


doing it, you need to up your game. I hope that when they do this, it


will be interesting, at the Tory party conference... Any sticky


toffee pudding?! Watch what is being eaten, yes, but when these portions


get smaller, I have to ask the Health Secretary - will they then


get cheaper? I think not! That is it for the Papers tonight, all the


front pages are online on the BBC News website, you can read AD dale


review of the papers. It is all there for you. -- a detailed review.


A very big thank you to both of you, thank you for being with us this


evening. Goodbye. The wind continues to ease across


Scotland after what has been a very, very windy day, gales and a number


of areas, and the winds will still remain fairly strong through the


night and into tomorrow, but nowhere near


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