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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers

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With me are the freelance journalist Samira Shackle

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The Telegraph leads with the undercover filming

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of Southampton Football Club's assistant manager, Eric Black,

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allegedly giving bribery advice to officials.

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The Mirror is also focusing on that story,

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with calls for a public inquiry into football corruption.

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The Metro has more on the abduction and rape of a 14-year-old girl

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The Guardian is leading with the rise of mental illness

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The top story in the Express the doubling of dementia cases

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making it the second biggest killer after heart disease in Britain.

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The Daily Mail has the Archbishop of York

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accusing European countries of shunting migrants

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And the Sun has details of the divorce settlement paid out by darts

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player Phil Taylor. Let's begin with the football story,

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it is good that you are here, David, the former chief executive of the

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FA! Very good for me! Let's talk about today, it is the assistant

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manager at Southampton, Eric Black, who is in the frame. What do you

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make of the allegations? Tell us a little bit about them. Well, people

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will judge the allegation, which basically seems to be that it is

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alleged that Mr Black was trying to help this phoney phone company,

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which suggested they wanted to get involved with transfer companies,

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and it is suggesting that they wanted to get involved, they needed

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to bung one or two people who were working perhaps lower down the food

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chain in football, where a few thousand pounds might make a

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difference to them. Now, Mr Black is very clear that he absolutely denies

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the charges. But the general point, I think, Christian, is that it has

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been, whatever you think of the allegations, a good week, probably

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an award-winning week for the Daily Telegraph, with its ten months of

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inquiries into the sometimes murky side of the not so beautiful game.

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It has cost an England manager his job, and certainly one or two other

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people their jobs. Around the world, I have to tell you, there is some

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relish that the English, who are reputation for being bit holier than

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now, certainly within Fifa, have got their comeuppance. -- thou. And it

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remains to be seen where this heads, but the key thing, as a number of

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people are starting to say, is if what comes out of this is reform of

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the football organisations, proper corporate governance, and proper

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regulation of the sport, then, actually, the pain may have been

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worthwhile. We will come back to that as a second. Samir, there has

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been a lot said about the idea of and and, Gary Lineker saying it may

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have left some bad people out of the game, but what do you think? --

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entrapment. It is a really tricky area, and it so often comes up in

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these big tabloid stories in relation to celebrities and so on

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where there is a less clear public interest defence. It is a tricky

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area, because you can justify it a lot more if it is on the basis that

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you are showing corruption that is there already, rather than causing

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someone to do something they wouldn't have done otherwise. One

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issue with football, as someone who casually observes it, it seems to be

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dizzying scandal after scandal, so it seems there is a clear course to

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believe that, without the entrapment, corruption would have

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been going on anyway. It is not like this is a totally isolated incident,

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a steady stream of stories suggests it is not just one person who was

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led astray by errant journalists. Looking at the Mirror, they are

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going with Damian Collins, who is standing in as the head of the

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select committee on media, culture and sport. We had him on the

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programme a few days ago, and he said he had had concerns for some

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time about this. I said, why are we only hearing about it now? Today he

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is saying that perhaps he wants a full-blown inquiry. To be fair to Mr

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Collins, he has raised these matters before, and they have swirled

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around. People seem to forget that there have been inquiries into

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so-called bungs by very senior former police officers et cetera in

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my time, this was going on. And they, came up with nothing. So you

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went back to them and said, thanks very much... I have to say, it was

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not me, but it was one of the football organisations, the Premier

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League had a very clear inquiry. But the basic problem is, I regret to

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tell you that these committees have reported on things before, and it

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actually doesn't change anything. Government say, we will get

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involved, and we say, yes, we would like you to, because we have failed,

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football has failed to reform itself. Then you say to government,

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come and help us. We have got our own problems. Some fans would say it

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is up to the FA to get their house in order. They have failed to do so

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because of the structure of football, each individual

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organisation has its own priorities. And reform, with the ridiculous

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majorities that you have to get to get change, has proved beyond the

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generations that I was part of. I wish we could talk about it more,

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but we need to rattle through the stories. The Telegraph, the sex

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abuse inquiry, a new line in the last hour actually, that Ben

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Emmerson, the lead counsel, was suspended earlier today, he has

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resigned, and Junior counsel Elizabeth Price Xhaka has also

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resigned, two in 24 hours. This was supposed to get off the ground in

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2014, but two proposed chairs resigned, there were various

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resignations over the course of the inquiry, a question earlier this

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year about links to establishment figures. It is really a pretty dire

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situation. It is interesting that Theresa May stepped in after today's

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news to say that there would be no scaling back of the inquiry. There

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was a question, questions over the scale of it, whether that had

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something to do with it. And she said it up as Home Secretary.

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Absolutely, and we have survivors and victims saying they are losing

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faith in the process. Survivors are presumably the people who really

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matter in all of this, and regardless of what Theresa May may

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feel now, and what she felt when she was setting it all up as Home

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Secretary, there has to be, surely, something fundamentally wrong when

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they are on their fourth chair at the moment? And now all these

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lawyers are going out the door. Is there a danger that it is a poisoned

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chalice? There are obviously equally eminent QCs who could do this, but

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you have to commit to this for many years, it is a career decision,

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isn't it? Certainly. That would appear to be the case, but are the

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terms of reference, is the organisation itself currently fit

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for purpose? That is what you surely must ask, and does it need some form

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of reorganisation internally? You do not necessarily have to change the

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terms of reference as well. It is split into 13 sections, the

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internet, things about Lambeth, you name it, it goes on all sort of

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different directions. So split it into different constituencies? I am

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asking the question, I am not qualified to know, but there has to

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be something fundamentally wrong. There are lots of stories today

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about mental illness, we will pick up what we have been reporting

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today, on the top of the Guardian, one in five women reported a common

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mental illness, that is extraordinary, isn't it? It is, the

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stats are really astonishing. One in four women aged 16 to 24 have self

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harm that some point, it is really quite shocking, the numbers.

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Particularly if it is due to social media, which is what they are

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saying, that is a young subsection. Social media is not gender specific,

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I suppose, I guess you could argue that body image pressures are more

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on women, as much as they are in general society, and social media

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often reflects trends that we see in larger society. But why is it a

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disproportionate number of women compared to men that are suffering?

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As I see this, it is still further evidence of a mental health prices

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in this country that I think was first highlighted by the much

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maligned former Deputy Prime Minister, Nick Clegg. Several years

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ago. And the honest answer to your question is, at the moment, it seems

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nobody knows why young women seem to be so much at risk, in comparison

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with young men. But you know, this is the age of social media. You have

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picked up on a good point, body image, my daughter is obsessed with

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Snapchat, for example, she is honoured over time if I would let

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her! It is all about image, it is about social media, what your

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friends are doing, and it puts a lot of pressure on you. It is

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interesting, the gender aspect, because it puts a lot of pressure on

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young people across the board. There is a lot of pressure on young boys

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as well, constantly being in touch. But I think it is quite easy to put

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everything at the door of social media, but I think for the most part

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it and provides trends we see in the world, and if we are talking about

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body image, there always have been much greater pressures on women than

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men. So perhaps we are seeing that, social media and the way we organise

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our social lives, that is ample buying the pressure that is already

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there and young women. -- amplifying. But I think it is

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difficult to blame something on social media without also looking at

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the much wider pressures on women. There is a very simple figure,

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reports of self harm among 16 to 24 has doubled in men to 7.9%, trebled

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in women to 19.7%. That is between 2007 and 2014. Extraordinary,

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extraordinary figures. Looking at the Daily Mail, at last is the

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headline, Bishop who talks sense and migrants, the Archbishop of York,

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Jon Santacana, who has weighed in on the big row between the British and

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French on the Jungle in Calais. -- Johnson. I am quite surprised,

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because it bucks the trend, as the headline points out, the sort of

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comments we have genuinely seen coming out of senior members of the

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church, Justin Welby in March saying that on the one hand, you should not

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condemn concerns about immigration being down to racism, but he also

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compared Britain's record on immigration and the crisis

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unfavourably to Germany taking 1 million refugees to our 20,000. I

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think he was much more in keeping with the comments we have seen from

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senior members of the Church of England in recent years, not just

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this year - a call for doing our humanitarian duty, a call for

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compassion and so on, so quite interesting to see Johnson Tambo

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kind of echoing lots of the mainstream political rhetoric. --

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John Sentamu. Basically talking about the Schengen visa system being

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down to the Calais crisis, he talked about Britain being seen as a soft

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touch. It might be fair enough if we were taking a lot of migrants! We

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are not taking a great number from the camp. This story makes my blood

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boil. We have a failure of politicians in the Middle East, in

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Europe, and in, dare I say it, the land of the free in America, and

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over more than two years now this problem has been here, and if this

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story is what it is appears to be, I mean, one has to ask, does the

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Archbishop realise the figures that you have just heard quoted at you?

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The Estyn? Eastern European countries are asking for freedom of

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movement, but they are perhaps as guilty as anyone. Blame shifting is

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not helping, so for John Sentamu to be talking about Britain being a

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soft touch, blaming other countries for the border crisis at Calais, it

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is not down to any other country, and we are not in any position as a

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wealthy, developed nation to point the finger at other nations, saying,

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this is all because of you. It is a collective failure of policy over

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decades, not just the last year. We are running out of time, restaurants

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ordered to reduce the size of puddings. Coming into night, I had a

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very nice treble ice cream! And here we are, the nanny state... Jeremy

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Hunt has met them, he says it is no longer a treat to eat, everyone is

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doing it, you need to up your game. I hope that when they do this, it

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will be interesting, at the Tory party conference... Any sticky

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toffee pudding?! Watch what is being eaten, yes, but when these portions

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get smaller, I have to ask the Health Secretary - will they then

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get cheaper? I think not! That is it for the Papers tonight, all the

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front pages are online on the BBC News website, you can read AD dale

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review of the papers. It is all there for you. -- a detailed review.

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A very big thank you to both of you, thank you for being with us this

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evening. Goodbye. The wind continues to ease across

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Scotland after what has been a very, very windy day, gales and a number

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of areas, and the winds will still remain fairly strong through the

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night and into tomorrow, but nowhere near

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