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Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.

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With me are the author and journalist Matthew

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Green and Josie Delap, Home Affairs Correspondent

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Today's front pages: The Observer leads on turmoil for Donald Trump,

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as key Republicans withdraw their support after a tape

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emerged of him making lewd remarks about women.

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The Sunday Mirror has a special report on the war in Syria,

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focussing on the story of one little girl whose family has been torn

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The Mail on Sunday slams what it calls "vulture lawyers",

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pursuing medical negligence cases against the NHS totalling more

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In the Sunday Times, a former aide to David Cameron hits

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out against Theresa May's plans to make companies reveal

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their number of foreign employees, calling the idea "repugnant".

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The Sunday Telegraph has news of a "pensions revolution",

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with savers to be allowed to invest in government

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And the Sunday Express writes that a "digital" border could be used

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to curb EU migrants under new plans by the government.

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There is plenty in the papers this morning. A lot of Donald Trump

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dominating the headlines. These are all stories about Donald Trump

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Smucker recorded stories from ten or 11 years ago, about women that he

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had tried to force his charms upon and failed. These comments are

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shocking, they are horrible, but they are not at all surprising

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because they fit with the comments Donald Trump has made in public

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about women before. Not only about women. No, and what is really

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striking about this is that this has been the breaking point for a lot of

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Republicans to come out against him. It is the idea that their daughters,

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their wives, could be subject to these kinds of comments. The

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previous, is he has made about Mexicans and Muslims have not been

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enough to push them, but once it gets a little bit closer to home,

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that has done it. Matthew, do you think this will be the thing that is

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his downfall? It does feel a little bit like the lightning bolt that we

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have all been waiting for. It is almost as if the arm of karma has

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almost levelled him. There is a sense from the states that this

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could almost be it. This incredible haemorrhage of senior Republicans,

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all lining up, realising which way the tide is turning and jumping

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ship. It does have the feel of a bit of a horror film, in that sense of

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we have banished the beast, but suddenly in the final minutes, it

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comes back. It is too early to relax, but this could be the end of

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Donald Trump. He says he is not standing down, but even if he does

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it is too late because the ballot has already begun. Exactly, the

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papers have been printed with his name on and people have started

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voting already. Some people have said they will be writing in his

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vice president's candidate name on the ticket, but it is hard to see

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how they could get rid of him. Legally that would be a nightmare,

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and he has insisted he will not stand down. At the end of the day,

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they chose him. Absolutely, and there are still a lot of people who

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support him, and a lot of people don't feel this is sufficient to

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make them vote for a Hillary Clinton, who is widely disliked. I

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think the real question will be whether white women, particularly

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those without college degrees, whether this will be enough to turn

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them against Trump. He has alienated so many groups of people, he has to

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win that vote overwhelmingly. The second debate is overnight tonight,

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I think we are all looking to see whether Trump will break his promise

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and start to talk about Bill. This is it, how low will he go? Judging

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by what we have seen so far, pretty low. Again, the political climate is

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so polarised in the US, and that is something that even reading about

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it, watching it on TV, it is difficult to grasp quite how wide

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the Gulf is. It is almost as if it doesn't matter what he says or does,

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too certainly his hard-core base. What is said in the debate now

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probably won't swing very many votes. Are we seeing a political

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trend across the world? Yes, absolutely. People rejecting the

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establishment, of people feeling that globalisation in the more open

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world that we have come to see as quite normal has not benefited them,

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people who perhaps whose skills are no longer quite as applicable in the

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changing workforce. I think this is very close to a lot of the feelings

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that people have about Brexit, and feelings in other European countries

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where more right-wing parties who are against immigration are becoming

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more popular. Yes, and it is easy to get so caught up in the lyric

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details of the characters of these almost cartoonlike, that we forget

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that there are these swathes of people who do feel that they have

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been failed by the system, and the kind of psychology that Trump is

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exhibiting is resonating with huge rubbers of people. It is something

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we do need to be looking at. He keeps having these disasters that

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you think are finally going to sell him, and yet he keeps coming back. I

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think that is because he represents something different from this

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political establishment that so many people feel has failed them. I am

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going to put you both on the spot. Will he win? Probably not. Is there

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a danger that by somehow saying he won't win... I am not going to say

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anything! You are on the fence. We will come back to that after the

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election. Let's move on to the Times and an

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interesting story. This is a stinging letter from Steve Hilton,

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the former policy chief at number ten under David Cameron in response

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to Theresa May and Amber Rudd's comments at the Tory party

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conference about foreign workers needing to be registered, or firms

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needing to list their number is of foreign workers. He has come out

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raging against the devices, repugnant and insanely Eurocrat it

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ideas that the Conservatives are putting forward at the moment. He

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described Theresa May's proposals as incompetent and irresponsible. He is

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not holding back on is he? He says it seems there is a darkness at the

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heart of Theresa May's government, which could leave a lasting stain on

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the Tory party. This is a very difficult area, isn't it? Particular

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in the wake of the Brexit vote. How do you sort it out, but sort it out

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in a way that will suit everybody? Unless you can perform some sort of

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mysterious process of turning lead into gold, that isn't going to

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happen. There is not an easy outcome for this. Does an article like this

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make any difference at the end of the day? I am not sure it does, but

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he raises interesting point in it. He says that everybody is now

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talking about hard Brexit against soft Brexit. He campaigned to leave

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the EU, so it is particularly striking that he is responding so

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harshly to their proposals. But his point is that we should not be

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talking about a hard or soft Brexit, but rather an open or a closed

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Britain. He thinks you could have a version of leaving the EU which

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still said Britain is open for business, we want to trade with the

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rest of the world, we want the best and brightest immigrants into

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Britain, we want to stay part of this globalised economy and world.

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We want everything. Indeed, and as has been said... It reflects that

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wider fear that in some ways we saw out of the tone that was struck at

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the Conservative Party conference last week, it was very much aimed at

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a particular segment of the Conservative Party, and there is a

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fear that with this huge, historical moment for Britain, essentially we

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have a leadership that is pandering to a narrow party political base at

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the expense of the national interest. I think that is what

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Stephen Hilton, as a former adviser to David Cameron, is really

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hammering home. He realises how damaging this can be in terms of the

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negotiation because it really riled up the European leaders who think

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why should we make Britain's exit any easier? The Mail on Sunday on

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page five, Hammond's fears of able in a china shop behaviour of the

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three Brexit ears. This is a chance for Philip Hammond, he is clearly at

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war with his colleagues, Davids, forest and Fox. He sees them

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behaving as a collective bull in a china shop, wrecking our chances of

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negotiating a graceful exit through inflammatory statements and

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aggressive remarks. Clearly, there is a big divide in the Cabinet,

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there is no doubt about that. Frankly, who is going to disagree

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with him? We have seen these sorts of statements coming out of these

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politicians, Boris talking about having the cake and eating it. In

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other words, squaring access to the single market, whilst still

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controlling immigration, something which European leaders won't accept.

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There is a sense that a part of the Cabinet has succumbed to a kind of

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entrance and, almost magical thinking, about what might be

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politically possible, which anyone who is observing this from a wider

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perspective is able to see this will run into a hard reality. Philip

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Hammond is interesting because he is pushing the point that, while

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Britain may have voted for Brexit, or at least a portion of Britain

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they did for it, what they did not vote for was to become poorer and to

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have their lives made harder by this. What seems very clear from a

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lot of the proposals that the Brexiteers are pushing for is that

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that is exactly what would happen, and he is trying to retain their

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thinking, rather than this pie in the sky thought that we can have all

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the pie, all the cake, and no one. As on anything. Interestingly, the

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way it is panning out politically within the parties, and the division

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is really being laid bare. It raises the question of whether the party is

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going to be capable of navigating the path ahead. This monumentally

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complex, fraught exercise, with so many layers, so many complexities.

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Just as the starting gun is being fired, this level of acrimony and

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division within the Cabinet does not bode well. While we are talking

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about Brexit, let's talk a bit more about it and go to the Observer.

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This is a story that there is a cross-party group of MPs who are

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saying that Britain might have voted yes to leave the EU in the

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referendum, but that Parliament should not be shut out of this

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process, and that there should be a vote going forward as we negotiate

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the terms of that deal. This really does, this is one of the difficult

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questions in all of the Brexit negotiations, the extent to which

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Parliament should have a say on the terms to which we should leave,

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whether the Prime Minister can simply trigger Article 50 and then

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go her own way, and this is a very knotty question, British democracy

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and that it is the four MPs, and how much they respond to their voter's

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concerns. We seem to have a lot of questions at the moment! Yes,

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exactly. This is obviously going to be what we talk about for the next

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five years, minimum. It goes back to the question of democracy. There was

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the referendum, but in the Conservative manifesto there is a

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commitment to the single market, so how do you square those two outcomes

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question mark it also raises a question for MPs. There are lots of

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MPs who don't think that we should leave the EU. Or, at least, who

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think that if we do we should do it in the most minimal way. They think

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that would be the best possible deal for Britain. But they have voters

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who don't agree with them, and it raises a question for MPs, to what

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extent do you simply respond to voters concerned and do what they

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are telling you to do, even if it seems to be not in their best

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interests, and to what extent do you have to stand up and say you have

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elected me to make the decisions on your behalf, and actually I don't

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think this is the right thing to do. Also, one of the interesting parts

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of the whole story, particularly over the last week, comets coming

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from other European leaders, that is being focused on Britain at the

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moment. Absolutely, the EU is an organisation that faces a lot of

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challenges at the moment, and has over recent years. It is hard to

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imagine that they would want Britain to leave the EU in a storm of glory

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and have a fantastic situation outside the EU, when there are so

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many divisions with other countries. I read one comment this week which

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said what sort of organisation is it that bullies and one who decides

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they don't want to be in it any more? Yes, exactly. Officials have

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become very clear, the tone has hardened measurably from Brussels

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and other European capitals since the Conservative Party conference,

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they want to make us pay. We keep hearing from the Brexit side that

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they need our market, they have got to cut as a deal, but at the end of

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the day, we export 50% of our exports to the EU, and they export

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less than 10% to us, so our hand is not as strong as some of the ten

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three macros in the Cabinet may wish.

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Right, let's move from Brexit to Syria.

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The mirror, and this story from Syria. The pictures coming out of

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Syria at the moment are just horrendous. Yes, we have become so

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immersed in politics that this story on it is a once in a generation

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story in a sense of what is happening in Aleppo at the moment,

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it is just sitting in the inside pages... It is a victim of being

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around for a long time, five years or more, and it is a story that is

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constantly around. What is happening in Aleppo now is on another scale.

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Russia has essentially repeated what it did in the early 90s, smashing

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civilian neighbourhoods with air strikes. Smashing them into

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submission with no respect for any proportionality or rules of war, and

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getting away with it. And nobody seeming to have a solution. No, and

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I wonder if that is part of why we have seen, whether it is coverage go

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down, or actual political talk about Syria quietened down because it

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feels like such a hopeless story, and the idea of coming to any

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solution, we had a ceasefire but that collapsed within days of aid

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workers being killed. It seems so impossible. Five years ago we were

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talking about removing President Assad, but he is still there, he has

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got a lot of support, and it is the civilians who are suffering. Yes,

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and we are locked into this wider escalation of conflict with Russia,

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and all across the West now we have this revelation in the US just

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yesterday that the government has been accusing the Russians of

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hacking e-mails and trying to manipulate the election. We have

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seen all kinds of propaganda campaigns launched by the Russian

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government in Western countries. There is something very sinister

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taking place, and in Aleppo we are seeing the sharpest end. Not to

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bring it back to trump again, but the horizontal Syria and the

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intractability of the conflict and the complexities of it just remind

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you what an extraordinarily important decision it is as to who

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is president of America, because the foreign policy is one area in which

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the president does have a lot of power. Dealing with this kind of

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conflict is what we are talking about. Interesting to see. Let's go

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to the final paper, it is page five of the Times. Rising sea levels are

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turning mounted into hills. What is happening? This is supposed to be a

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light story now, but rising sea levels are forcing some surveys to

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consider reducing smaller mountains to hill status. What is the cut-off?

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2000 feet, apparently. It includes some in Scotland and Wales, so we

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could see this recalibration. Which for hill walkers who want to tick

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off all of those in Scotland and England and Wales, this will really

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affect their tally. Not wanting to put a dampener on the programme as

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we draw an end to the show, but the chief scientist has warned that this

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year has had the hottest ten bridges for 150,000 years. Dash-macro

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hottest temperatures. We have a global crisis. We might all be

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living on top of these hills at some point. Newspapers treat climate

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change as a nice white story to have a smile about, but anyone who reads

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the report on this needs to be terrified. We are behind the sofa

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now on that one. Thank you both very much. Thank you to our guests, and

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don't forget, during the week we look at the front pages at 10:40pm

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here on BC news. Goodbye. Hello, still no great dramas to

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report about the British Isles

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