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Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.


With me are the author and journalist Matthew


Green and Josie Delap, Home Affairs Correspondent


Today's front pages: The Observer leads on turmoil for Donald Trump,


as key Republicans withdraw their support after a tape


emerged of him making lewd remarks about women.


The Sunday Mirror has a special report on the war in Syria,


focussing on the story of one little girl whose family has been torn


The Mail on Sunday slams what it calls "vulture lawyers",


pursuing medical negligence cases against the NHS totalling more


In the Sunday Times, a former aide to David Cameron hits


out against Theresa May's plans to make companies reveal


their number of foreign employees, calling the idea "repugnant".


The Sunday Telegraph has news of a "pensions revolution",


with savers to be allowed to invest in government


And the Sunday Express writes that a "digital" border could be used


to curb EU migrants under new plans by the government.


There is plenty in the papers this morning. A lot of Donald Trump


dominating the headlines. These are all stories about Donald Trump


Smucker recorded stories from ten or 11 years ago, about women that he


had tried to force his charms upon and failed. These comments are


shocking, they are horrible, but they are not at all surprising


because they fit with the comments Donald Trump has made in public


about women before. Not only about women. No, and what is really


striking about this is that this has been the breaking point for a lot of


Republicans to come out against him. It is the idea that their daughters,


their wives, could be subject to these kinds of comments. The


previous, is he has made about Mexicans and Muslims have not been


enough to push them, but once it gets a little bit closer to home,


that has done it. Matthew, do you think this will be the thing that is


his downfall? It does feel a little bit like the lightning bolt that we


have all been waiting for. It is almost as if the arm of karma has


almost levelled him. There is a sense from the states that this


could almost be it. This incredible haemorrhage of senior Republicans,


all lining up, realising which way the tide is turning and jumping


ship. It does have the feel of a bit of a horror film, in that sense of


we have banished the beast, but suddenly in the final minutes, it


comes back. It is too early to relax, but this could be the end of


Donald Trump. He says he is not standing down, but even if he does


it is too late because the ballot has already begun. Exactly, the


papers have been printed with his name on and people have started


voting already. Some people have said they will be writing in his


vice president's candidate name on the ticket, but it is hard to see


how they could get rid of him. Legally that would be a nightmare,


and he has insisted he will not stand down. At the end of the day,


they chose him. Absolutely, and there are still a lot of people who


support him, and a lot of people don't feel this is sufficient to


make them vote for a Hillary Clinton, who is widely disliked. I


think the real question will be whether white women, particularly


those without college degrees, whether this will be enough to turn


them against Trump. He has alienated so many groups of people, he has to


win that vote overwhelmingly. The second debate is overnight tonight,


I think we are all looking to see whether Trump will break his promise


and start to talk about Bill. This is it, how low will he go? Judging


by what we have seen so far, pretty low. Again, the political climate is


so polarised in the US, and that is something that even reading about


it, watching it on TV, it is difficult to grasp quite how wide


the Gulf is. It is almost as if it doesn't matter what he says or does,


too certainly his hard-core base. What is said in the debate now


probably won't swing very many votes. Are we seeing a political


trend across the world? Yes, absolutely. People rejecting the


establishment, of people feeling that globalisation in the more open


world that we have come to see as quite normal has not benefited them,


people who perhaps whose skills are no longer quite as applicable in the


changing workforce. I think this is very close to a lot of the feelings


that people have about Brexit, and feelings in other European countries


where more right-wing parties who are against immigration are becoming


more popular. Yes, and it is easy to get so caught up in the lyric


details of the characters of these almost cartoonlike, that we forget


that there are these swathes of people who do feel that they have


been failed by the system, and the kind of psychology that Trump is


exhibiting is resonating with huge rubbers of people. It is something


we do need to be looking at. He keeps having these disasters that


you think are finally going to sell him, and yet he keeps coming back. I


think that is because he represents something different from this


political establishment that so many people feel has failed them. I am


going to put you both on the spot. Will he win? Probably not. Is there


a danger that by somehow saying he won't win... I am not going to say


anything! You are on the fence. We will come back to that after the


election. Let's move on to the Times and an


interesting story. This is a stinging letter from Steve Hilton,


the former policy chief at number ten under David Cameron in response


to Theresa May and Amber Rudd's comments at the Tory party


conference about foreign workers needing to be registered, or firms


needing to list their number is of foreign workers. He has come out


raging against the devices, repugnant and insanely Eurocrat it


ideas that the Conservatives are putting forward at the moment. He


described Theresa May's proposals as incompetent and irresponsible. He is


not holding back on is he? He says it seems there is a darkness at the


heart of Theresa May's government, which could leave a lasting stain on


the Tory party. This is a very difficult area, isn't it? Particular


in the wake of the Brexit vote. How do you sort it out, but sort it out


in a way that will suit everybody? Unless you can perform some sort of


mysterious process of turning lead into gold, that isn't going to


happen. There is not an easy outcome for this. Does an article like this


make any difference at the end of the day? I am not sure it does, but


he raises interesting point in it. He says that everybody is now


talking about hard Brexit against soft Brexit. He campaigned to leave


the EU, so it is particularly striking that he is responding so


harshly to their proposals. But his point is that we should not be


talking about a hard or soft Brexit, but rather an open or a closed


Britain. He thinks you could have a version of leaving the EU which


still said Britain is open for business, we want to trade with the


rest of the world, we want the best and brightest immigrants into


Britain, we want to stay part of this globalised economy and world.


We want everything. Indeed, and as has been said... It reflects that


wider fear that in some ways we saw out of the tone that was struck at


the Conservative Party conference last week, it was very much aimed at


a particular segment of the Conservative Party, and there is a


fear that with this huge, historical moment for Britain, essentially we


have a leadership that is pandering to a narrow party political base at


the expense of the national interest. I think that is what


Stephen Hilton, as a former adviser to David Cameron, is really


hammering home. He realises how damaging this can be in terms of the


negotiation because it really riled up the European leaders who think


why should we make Britain's exit any easier? The Mail on Sunday on


page five, Hammond's fears of able in a china shop behaviour of the


three Brexit ears. This is a chance for Philip Hammond, he is clearly at


war with his colleagues, Davids, forest and Fox. He sees them


behaving as a collective bull in a china shop, wrecking our chances of


negotiating a graceful exit through inflammatory statements and


aggressive remarks. Clearly, there is a big divide in the Cabinet,


there is no doubt about that. Frankly, who is going to disagree


with him? We have seen these sorts of statements coming out of these


politicians, Boris talking about having the cake and eating it. In


other words, squaring access to the single market, whilst still


controlling immigration, something which European leaders won't accept.


There is a sense that a part of the Cabinet has succumbed to a kind of


entrance and, almost magical thinking, about what might be


politically possible, which anyone who is observing this from a wider


perspective is able to see this will run into a hard reality. Philip


Hammond is interesting because he is pushing the point that, while


Britain may have voted for Brexit, or at least a portion of Britain


they did for it, what they did not vote for was to become poorer and to


have their lives made harder by this. What seems very clear from a


lot of the proposals that the Brexiteers are pushing for is that


that is exactly what would happen, and he is trying to retain their


thinking, rather than this pie in the sky thought that we can have all


the pie, all the cake, and no one. As on anything. Interestingly, the


way it is panning out politically within the parties, and the division


is really being laid bare. It raises the question of whether the party is


going to be capable of navigating the path ahead. This monumentally


complex, fraught exercise, with so many layers, so many complexities.


Just as the starting gun is being fired, this level of acrimony and


division within the Cabinet does not bode well. While we are talking


about Brexit, let's talk a bit more about it and go to the Observer.


This is a story that there is a cross-party group of MPs who are


saying that Britain might have voted yes to leave the EU in the


referendum, but that Parliament should not be shut out of this


process, and that there should be a vote going forward as we negotiate


the terms of that deal. This really does, this is one of the difficult


questions in all of the Brexit negotiations, the extent to which


Parliament should have a say on the terms to which we should leave,


whether the Prime Minister can simply trigger Article 50 and then


go her own way, and this is a very knotty question, British democracy


and that it is the four MPs, and how much they respond to their voter's


concerns. We seem to have a lot of questions at the moment! Yes,


exactly. This is obviously going to be what we talk about for the next


five years, minimum. It goes back to the question of democracy. There was


the referendum, but in the Conservative manifesto there is a


commitment to the single market, so how do you square those two outcomes


question mark it also raises a question for MPs. There are lots of


MPs who don't think that we should leave the EU. Or, at least, who


think that if we do we should do it in the most minimal way. They think


that would be the best possible deal for Britain. But they have voters


who don't agree with them, and it raises a question for MPs, to what


extent do you simply respond to voters concerned and do what they


are telling you to do, even if it seems to be not in their best


interests, and to what extent do you have to stand up and say you have


elected me to make the decisions on your behalf, and actually I don't


think this is the right thing to do. Also, one of the interesting parts


of the whole story, particularly over the last week, comets coming


from other European leaders, that is being focused on Britain at the


moment. Absolutely, the EU is an organisation that faces a lot of


challenges at the moment, and has over recent years. It is hard to


imagine that they would want Britain to leave the EU in a storm of glory


and have a fantastic situation outside the EU, when there are so


many divisions with other countries. I read one comment this week which


said what sort of organisation is it that bullies and one who decides


they don't want to be in it any more? Yes, exactly. Officials have


become very clear, the tone has hardened measurably from Brussels


and other European capitals since the Conservative Party conference,


they want to make us pay. We keep hearing from the Brexit side that


they need our market, they have got to cut as a deal, but at the end of


the day, we export 50% of our exports to the EU, and they export


less than 10% to us, so our hand is not as strong as some of the ten


three macros in the Cabinet may wish.


Right, let's move from Brexit to Syria.


The mirror, and this story from Syria. The pictures coming out of


Syria at the moment are just horrendous. Yes, we have become so


immersed in politics that this story on it is a once in a generation


story in a sense of what is happening in Aleppo at the moment,


it is just sitting in the inside pages... It is a victim of being


around for a long time, five years or more, and it is a story that is


constantly around. What is happening in Aleppo now is on another scale.


Russia has essentially repeated what it did in the early 90s, smashing


civilian neighbourhoods with air strikes. Smashing them into


submission with no respect for any proportionality or rules of war, and


getting away with it. And nobody seeming to have a solution. No, and


I wonder if that is part of why we have seen, whether it is coverage go


down, or actual political talk about Syria quietened down because it


feels like such a hopeless story, and the idea of coming to any


solution, we had a ceasefire but that collapsed within days of aid


workers being killed. It seems so impossible. Five years ago we were


talking about removing President Assad, but he is still there, he has


got a lot of support, and it is the civilians who are suffering. Yes,


and we are locked into this wider escalation of conflict with Russia,


and all across the West now we have this revelation in the US just


yesterday that the government has been accusing the Russians of


hacking e-mails and trying to manipulate the election. We have


seen all kinds of propaganda campaigns launched by the Russian


government in Western countries. There is something very sinister


taking place, and in Aleppo we are seeing the sharpest end. Not to


bring it back to trump again, but the horizontal Syria and the


intractability of the conflict and the complexities of it just remind


you what an extraordinarily important decision it is as to who


is president of America, because the foreign policy is one area in which


the president does have a lot of power. Dealing with this kind of


conflict is what we are talking about. Interesting to see. Let's go


to the final paper, it is page five of the Times. Rising sea levels are


turning mounted into hills. What is happening? This is supposed to be a


light story now, but rising sea levels are forcing some surveys to


consider reducing smaller mountains to hill status. What is the cut-off?


2000 feet, apparently. It includes some in Scotland and Wales, so we


could see this recalibration. Which for hill walkers who want to tick


off all of those in Scotland and England and Wales, this will really


affect their tally. Not wanting to put a dampener on the programme as


we draw an end to the show, but the chief scientist has warned that this


year has had the hottest ten bridges for 150,000 years. Dash-macro


hottest temperatures. We have a global crisis. We might all be


living on top of these hills at some point. Newspapers treat climate


change as a nice white story to have a smile about, but anyone who reads


the report on this needs to be terrified. We are behind the sofa


now on that one. Thank you both very much. Thank you to our guests, and


don't forget, during the week we look at the front pages at 10:40pm


here on BC news. Goodbye. Hello, still no great dramas to


report about the British Isles


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