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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be

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With me are Claire Cohen, Deputy Women's Editor

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at The Daily Telegraph and Author and journalist, Matthew Green.

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The Times leads with plans by the European Parliament to offer

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Britons who would pay an annual fee EU citizenship after Brexit.

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The i highlights a Black Friday record spending, with British

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consumers shelling out ?8 billion to kickstart the Christmas season.

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The Daily Mail talks about Jaguar Land Rover planning

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to double their production in Britain, creating

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The Daily Telegraph leads with reports about a leaked memo

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suggesting that NHS hospitals have been told to outsource services

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Reports on accusations by Leave supporters that Remainers and EU

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lead, are plotting to leave Brexit. The Sun implies Darcey Bussell wants

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the former Shadow Chancellor Ed Balls out of the competition. Has

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she no heart? ! Thirsty, that water's gone already! ? Let's begin

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with the Daily Mirror. This is an immensely harrowing story that of

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course has been building over the last couple of weeks. Here is the

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headline: Robbie Savage, I fear there are hundreds of victims. This

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is the child abuse scandal within certain football clubs and he could

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easily be right with that assessment, couldn't he? Yes. He

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says it could get a lot worse and we have four police forces now

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investigating these allegations of historical child sexual abuse.

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Hampshire, Cheshire, Northumbria and the Met now today.

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Andy Woodward spoke to Victoria Derbyshire on BBC News last week and

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since then more people have felt able to come forward. But it's so

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upsetting to hear their testimony isn't it?

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Yes, it's one of those great collective shadows really in our

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society that's gradually emerging and we have seen it come in

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different stages, whether it's been in the church, Catholic Church, some

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years back, the BBC with the Jimmy Savile scandal and now of course

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football. One wonders what other institutions could be implicated in

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the future. I think of course there could be hundreds more cases here

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but we shouldn't forget there may be many thousands or tens of thousands

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of people who've been subjected to this who've never been acknowledged.

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The only hope is that these revelations will finally allow us to

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kind of cut through that curtain of shame that surrounds this topic and

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actually bring this to light for some healing. This story is on a

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couple of other papers as well. Talk of some people being paid off. The

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Guardian talking about the fact that Crewe Alexandra knew there was a

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problem and seemed to take no action, so it begs the question

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about whether there should be some kind of compulsory referral? Oh, I'm

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sure that's what victims and anyone involved in this harrowing story

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will be arguing for. More people come forward and certainly not just

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in football, victims are now seeing that they are being believed and

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that they are actually can shake off the stigma and come forward. That'll

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hopefully butt in place or set in motion a number of safeguarding

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procedures to make this regulated in future. Safeguarding standards and

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criteria have changed in recent times and we are talking about abuse

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that, as awful as it was and these men are now coming forward in their

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30s and #40s to report it, it did take place some time ago when the

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checks and balances that we have now weren't in place? Yes but I also

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don't think we can afford to be complacent either and I think if

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anything good can come out of revelations it's having that debate

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again more vigorously than we have had it ever before to really figure

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out the systems and change the culture, just make sure that it's OK

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to raise these topics, to have these discussions when they need to be

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had. It isn't just football, we have seen it in swimming and things like

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that where parents and children need to know that somebody will take note

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if you come forward with a concern. Absolutely. They need to normalise

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the procedure for people to be able to raise the flag without fear,

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stigma, worry, that it will come back on them. Don't you think it's

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time that we heard from the FA on this? Yes, the Premier League are

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very concerned, they say, about the allegations that have been made. But

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yes, of course, it takes leadership doesn't it from the governing body?

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That's right. We have to have a conversation about how we can best

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support the victims. People who've suffered this kind of abuse have

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suffered trauma which leaves an imprint in the psyche and the whole

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mind-body system that lasts a lifetime. There are therapies now

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that can be hugely helpful and we need to think about how we can

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support people to really heal as far as they can from these wounds.

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A look at The Times, paid to stay in Europe. Britons can buy EU

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citizenship, well, we can't, it's a suggestion under a plan. Sounds like

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it's already happening but it isn't. What is this plan? It's only a plan

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and it's a plan that may never be implemented, but it's been floated

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before the European Parliament that has part of the Brexit negotiation,

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individual British citizens who want to live and work in Europe could pay

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some sort of annual charge to retain some of the rights that they

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currently enjoy while being a member of the EU, presumably free movement

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and the right to work anywhere and so forth. It doesn't say much you

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would have to pay for that and it should be stressed this is very much

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just at the planning stage and whether it will ever become a

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reality I think is anybody's guess. It might appeal to some, but there

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are some MPs who think it would create a two tier citizenship in

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this country, Claire? Yes, some say it would create two classes of UK

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citizens and subvert the referendum vote. It would change the nature of

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EU citizenship to do this and it would involve a treaty change by all

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accounts to do it. Most things do, don't they? Yes. For this to happen

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by the deadline is a bit pie-in-the-sky. Yes. We are going to

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be treated to so many of the incremental stories where some idea

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is floated then a Euro-sceptic Tory MP's wheeled out to shoot them down,

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but the cold, hard facts remain that we are going to be pressing the

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button on a two-year countdown and on current forecasts looking at a

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very hard Brexit indeed which is going to be extremely painful for

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Britain. I believe this associate member idea came about from an MEP

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from Luxembourg who said there would be an amendment, but to what I don't

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know, that would give the citizenship if you fancy it.

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Different to your UK citizenship presumably. And I don't know who'd

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confer it upon you. It doesn't seem to be very clear at the moment. Then

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we've had the Maltese Prime Minister who is the incoming new EU President

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in January. He's saying hold on a minute, the European Parliament

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might vote against the deal that you strike, so don't think it's going to

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be that straightforward from our point of view either?

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Straightforward and Brexit are not two words that belong in the same

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sentence. Before we even start talking about the 40 years of law

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that's grown up out of our membership and unpicking that with

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the great Repeal Bill and all the rest of it? Yes. One commentator

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said essentially Brexit needs to be rebooted, we need to start it again

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from scratch. Preferably just the side that perhaps will just have

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blue passports back, maybe imperial measures and call it a day there and

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carry on as before. That would be an ideal solution. Do you think? Yes.

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Hard Brexit, soft Brexit and rebooted Brexit too. Who knows!

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Here it is! We can't even move on that quickly. The Daily Mail,

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Jaguar's Brexit boost. Retail export figures up and Jaguar Land Rover

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plans 10,000 new jobs it says, what's not to like? ! This is a kind

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of case study isn't it of yet more dishonest reporting by the Daily

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Mail related to Brexit. Why is it dishonest? Because the story is

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saying Jaguar is planning 10,000 new jobs, what actually happened is that

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yesterday the CEO of Jaguar Land Rover said that the company may

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consider investing in the UK if the Government stumps up ?450 million of

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infrastructure investment to support them. That's a lot of money for a

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Government which is already facing a growing bill from Brexit. So to

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present this very speculative remark by the Jaguar CEO as some kind of

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Brexit boost is dishonest. Well, the BBC's been reporting as well that

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it's predicated upon infrastructure improvements. Which the Daily Mail

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makes no mention of. But since when have we gone to the Daily Mail to

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tell us facts act Brexit. We are seeing the residue presented by the

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guy's psyche, it's not a guide to reality. Everyone watching would

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agree with me I think. Hold on. Everyone? ! I'll wait for the

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Twitter feed. Steady! That is an exaggeration. A lot of people would

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agree. Some. I'll say some. But, they are right aren't they, you

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know, it's good news. No, they are not right, Martine. There is no

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boost and it's a purely speculative remark taken out of context and

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slapped on the front-page. Look at the other headline, there are bullet

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points that cub taken as good news. Treat us to those, lair? Exports

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rose by 0.7%, helped by the weaker pound we are told. This is a big

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one, the Bavarian economics minister called for a comprehensive trades

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meeting with Britain. It's post-facts reality. Isn't this

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though Jaguar doing a Nissan and saying we are happy to stay...

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Trying to cut a sweetheart deal which isn't disclosed to Parliament

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as some kind of under-the-table negotiation which every company will

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be queueing up for. Not a very seemly sight is it? Let's look at

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the Telegraph, NHS to use private firms to beat the winter crisis, a

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leaked memo? It is a leaked memo. Another winter crisis. We haven't

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heard that one before have we? ! We are told this winter crisis is worse

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than ever. It says we have the highest level occupancy of hospital

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beds in the run-up to winter ever. NHS hospitals have been ordered to

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turn over some surgery to the private sector, we are told. Hip and

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knee replacements outsourced to private firms. At some cost.

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Wouldn't people rather get the treatment? Yes. The NHS is currently

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half way through its most austere decade Since the end of World War

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II. It's not surprising we are heading into a critical winter for

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the NHS. The real issue is the Government's cut back so much on

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social care spending that the hospitals are full of people who are

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well enough to go home but there's nowhere for them to go to. Until we

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sort out this whole mess with paying and properly funding social care, we

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are going to see stories like this again and again? There's been talk

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about trying to merge social and health care but it's such a huge

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problem to tackle and expensive? It is. We are talking about the winter

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crisis, it seems as though the NHS is in perpetual winter, it's always

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Narnia. And no mention in the Autumn Statement a few days ago. The Health

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Service is running very hot and patients are obviously going to pay

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the price for that. We are going to need to have a proper national

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debate in the UK about what we expect as citizens from the Health

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Service, how much we are going to be prepared to pay for that. Until that

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happens, it's going to be tough to go for that fundamental reform you

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have been talking about. And how much we are happy to have the

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principles eroded or compromised. After Brexit though, everything's

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got to wait until after Brexit. Once we have paid off the extra billions

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of debt. Not all due to Brexit. I digress. Bosses' pay in the MP's

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sights where company bosses, private company bosses should have to

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operate to the same rules as public companies, is that right? Yes. A lot

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of people will be cheering about this one. A reigning in of the fat

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Cats. Bosses such as Phillip Green it says here, are going to be... No

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relation? No relation! Are going to be bound, their salaries will be

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bound, bound by corporate governance essentially. Sounds like a good idea

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doesn't it? It does. We saw what happened at BHS and the idea that

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company bosses who own private companies can be held to a lesser

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standard than those who run publicly listed corporations does seem wrong,

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seems like a step in the right direction. On the other hand, you've

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got to look at the bigger picture haven't you? Theresa May's come out

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on this more populist platform since the Tory conference but we've also

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seen decisions where Local Government's been rolled over in

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favour of corporate interest, for example in Lancashire there's been a

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huge upwelling of opposition to fracking but the Government's

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approved that very swiftly. So it's easy to make these rather cosmetic

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changes but the real challenge will be whether the Government stands up

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on behalf of local people in the face of the bigger corporate

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interests. Miles Wilkinson agrees with your man on the papers! Thank

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you, Miles. No surprise. No relation? ! You are telling me The

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Express is next. Going back to the Express. My favourite subject. I

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haven't got this in my paper, sorry. The voices in my head pointing me in

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another direction. I don't think we'll have time for all of this.

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Plot to sabotage a US exit, who, how? There is no plot to sabotage EU

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exit is there, it's something that is being negotiated in disgust. The

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Daily Express will scream something until people start to believe it's

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true. This is referring to the Maltese Prime Minister Joseph Muscat

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who has said it might not be simple, the European Parliament might have

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something to say about it. That would frustrate things somewhat. It

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would but did we ever think it would be simple. It's like a pantomime.

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It's like, will they won't they. Are you doing a map cartoon now? My list

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doesn't show a fraction of these things. Keeping you on your toes.

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This is a ballot form saying Blair's referendum question. Are you very

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sorry you voted to leave the EU? One box says yes, I hate myself, the

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other box says, ask me again later. Discuss? I assume Matt is making the

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point that those of us who question the wisdom of leaving the EU

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certainly on hard Brexit terms, will just keep continuing to keep making

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this point again and again until eventually people start to agree

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with us. But yes, I mean, whether we want people to mate themselves for

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voting to leave is questionable -- hate themselves.

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It seems to imply to me that it's never over there,'s always another

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thing. Yes. We have drawn that story from the conclusions we have looked

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at tonight. It keeps us busy here. Ultimately, now it's bleak Friday,

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how the high street turned into a guest town. It would seem a lot of

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people weren't in a hurry to get out and buy a cut-priced deep fat frier

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like last year? If people weren't beating each other up at 5 o'clock

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this morning. The Male reports there were not queues outside shops in the

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wee hours but we are told we spent #137bedn the 2 billion online which

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would suggest the spending power on the Internet has lost none of its

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potency -- ?1.2 billion. I tried to buy a few things today, sold out,

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sold out. I bought this shirt and tie on Black Friday today. Was it a

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bargain? I hope the viewers at home are equally grateful. Of course they

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are. It was 20% discounted and I picked up two. My daughter who is

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only 12 told me today that every shop would have at least a 30%

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discount. No. We have to wait for Brexit to come before we get that.

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You were ripped off. You were, yes. Let's finish with a story that

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concerns me. Off with easy Ed. Darcey Bussell suggesting Ed Balls

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should leave the Strictly show. He's on three front-pages. He is. I know.

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Was he ever on three front-pages before, I don't know. Not even when

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he was in Government, probably not, I don't know. He's saying he's camp,

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he's got a spray tan and he's loving it but Darcey thinks it's time. Why?

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It's a bit to-faced isn't it Darcey I think. She says that the

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implication is that he's a novelty act and she wants to get back to

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serious dancing. What is wrong with novelty act on a Saturday night

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light entertainment night? Anne Widdecombe is quoted in the story.

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Which I love. Saying, the show's most successful multi-act. John

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Sergeant might have something to say about that! It would look good on

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your gravestone. Closely followed by John Sergeant who was described as a

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pig in Cuban heels, terribly unkind. It didn't matter, they kept him in

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for ages. We'll see, there is no plot apparently to get rid of him.

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He's great fun. We all loved Gangnam Style. We did! That's the papers.

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Front-pages online on the BBC News website where you can read the

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detailed review, there for you seven days a week. You can see us there

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too each night with the editions posted shortly after we are

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finished, posted on iPlayer too. Thank you Matthew and Claire. We

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appreciate you going to the extra trouble with your shirt and tie.

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Thank you very much. Coming up, the headlines shortly and the

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