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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be


With me are Lucy Fisher, senior political correspondent


for the Times, and commentator Henry Bonsu.


Tomorrow's front pages: The Telegraph leads


The paper says the prime suspect for the massacre was under covert


surveillance for months as a possible terrorist,


but police let him slip through their grasp


Anis Amri stares from the front of the Metro.


He is now said to be the most wanted man in Europe.


The Times says the authorities suspected Amri of preparing


a serious crime, endangering national safety, but red tape


The i says the German authorities are under pressure after a series


of blunders in their hunt for the killer.


The FT pictures some of the suspect's different identities.


Its main story is that the world's oldest bank is to be rescued


The Guardian says Amri was known to multiple


And the Sun has a pun on the Queen's cold.


Throne a sickie... It is actually quite good, that one. It is actually


quite good. But we are going to discuss it a little bit later on.


The Berlin massacre suspect was watched for months, on the front


page of the Times. We now know a hell of a lot about this guy. A lot


coming through compared to what we discussed in the last hour. We found


out he was put under surveillance in March earlier this year by German


prosecutors, but they abandoned the surveillance after about six months


because they decided that although they found out that he planned to


break in, taking money for automatic weapons to do one of those roving


massacres, when they put him under close surveillance the measures


produced no evidence to justify, in their view, any further expenditure


and further man-hours. They abandoned it. The same thing


happened with the French attackers last year. Initially they came to


the notice of authorities and were put under surveillance but then


eventually they couldn't justify monitoring them any more. Other


things which have emerged, the man's father, Anis Amri, has described him


as a violent, drugtaking adolescent and we found out he was in jail in


Italy for setting fire to an asylum centre, an immigrant migration


Centre. So this picture has emerged of a guy... The classic, you could


say, a guy who has left his country, Tunisia, he has come into the


European Union and come to the notice of authorities and been put


under surveillance. He has done things which may in some


jurisdictions have justified and arrest or possibly a trial, but in


Italy and then Germany he seems to have moved on and got into the wider


community. But clearly he has got a history of crime. A lot of issues


there. The authorities in Germany wanted to deport him, even though


they couldn't stick the label of terrorist on him, because they kept


him under surveillance, they didn't find enough evidence. They wanted to


get rid of him but couldn't because the documentation wasn't there. That


is what it seems to be. It's extraordinary to find out today that


just 44 hours after this atrocity the passport arrived from the


Tunisian authorities, which meant the German authorities could have


sent him back. I think terror attacks like these throw out these


questions between the limits between liberalism, respect for the rule of


law and the desire to perhaps be more authoritarian, push measures


through and ride roughshod over that. Everyone needs to take a deep


breath and a step back a bit. While we are taking a deep rest, we have


to look at police procedure. Certainly, and why he was let go and


that doubt. Two the police talk about these gold and 24 hours after


an incident, and it appears they missed his temporary German


resident's permit, in the foot well of the lorry, for 24 hours. And


there are forensics all the way around the Christmas market and as a


result they pointed the finger at the wrong guy for 24 hours, adding


this guy the head start. On the Financial Times, this is a guy who


knows how to hide, so even though there is an arrest warrant out for


him, Europe wide, wanted Europe wide, with many faces, the thing is,


he has got many faces. He knows how to hide, the sky. It is


extraordinary looking at these four different mugshots. In some he has


put on weight, he seems to be screwing up his eyes, and he has six


different names, has posed as a Lebanese national, an Egyptian, as


well as Tunisian. In a way he seems to be the perfect criminal. A


history of petty crime, violence, drugtaking, as his father said, he


also has these bigger connections, to jihadis and Islamic leaders as


well. He can do anything now, maybe slimming his face, and this will be


a real test of the German authorities. How well do they know


their minority communities, their Islamic communities? They will need


human intelligence. If he is still in Germany. All the countries


bordering Germany, they will co-operate with Germany, and we have


Euro poll in the free movement of goods, services and people. Shang


will problem we eat toast in a few years time -- Schengen. They need


human intelligence to find out where guy is. There will be someone who


knows him. That is part of the argument about surveillance in this


country, in that there is a sense that the police have more contacts


within different communities and there is more of a willingness


within communities within this country to turn someone in, whereas


that link between officers and the public is not as deep, not there as


much, in places like France or Belgium, or indeed Germany. I think


that is certainly true. In fact people think that Theresa May during


her time as Home Secretary tried to build-up better relations with


ethnic communities within the UK. Different countries throughout


Europe have different race relations, different underlying


tensions between many communities. I think it is absolutely right to say


that in some countries those links are not there. It doesn't exist in


France, does it? In parts of Paris it just doesn't exist. The reason


for that in many European countries as they don't believe in


multiculturalism. We want to throw out the baby with the bathwater but


one of the reasons we have such strong links between communities and


between, you might call it, our institutions and minority


communities is because people have a greater sense of fairness. We talk


about this system no longer being fit for purpose, multiculturalism,


but if we went to French or German way, things might be even worse. A


hell of a lot worse. Which takes us to the other story on the front of


the Financial Times, the European Court rules the indiscriminate mass


surveillance law to be illegal. Some things we have been seen in the news


suggest that tracking someone like this guy will be made much more


difficult if this ECJ ruling stands. It is a tricky one. The proposal


behind this law is it would allow authorities to track everyone's data


and forced telecommunications companies to keep records for 12


months of the websites every single Briton has visited, and their phone


records. It has been judged to be too illiberal in that it is not


targeted, it affects absolutely everyone, and in that way it is too


general and indiscriminate. What is interesting is that with many of the


terror suspect and proven terrorists in the last few years, the problem


has not been that they were not flagged up, the authorities were


tracking them with covert surveillance, but they slipped the


net. I think there are arguments on both sides here about whether we


need to have this dragnet that takes in the entire population. And what


is fascinating about this story is that David Davies on the back bench,


a champion of civil liberties, he brought this court case to the ECJ.


He ducked out of it since he became a minister. And he has said the ECJ


is not fit for purpose. He has moved on. And there is nothing wrong with


that, David, if you are watching. And if every website we visited and


all the data we have looked at was being tracked and held by all


these... Don't look at me like I have been looking at dodgy website!


By these organisations and telecommunication companies, the


kind of institutions which will have access to this data, HMRC,


intelligence agencies, the NHS, you were uncomfortable with this in the


last hour, nor am I in this hour. We assume that everyone working for


these organisations is untouchable, like Eliot Ness. But you can't trust


everyone with this information. I think this is a really interesting


story in the Guardian. Corbyn critic quits and triggers an election test


for Labour. Jamie Reedy was a critic of Jeremy Corbyn and is standing


down. He has had conflicts with Jeremy Corbyn over the nuclear


issue. The by-election is the interesting thing, I think, because


this will be a real test for Jeremy Corbyn and for Labour. And a test


for UKIP as well, it is a fascinating seat, Copland, in the


north-west. There are only about 2500 votes in it, it is very


marginal. The Tories in second place and UKIP not very far behind. It is


a golden opportunity for the Conservatives. It has been


interesting today to see how people have come out. Labour has been on


the defensive back foot. Conservatives have been quite


bullish, saying this could be a golden ticket for them and many


Labour MPs, perhaps trolling Jeremy Corbyn, have pointed out that this


will be the first time since 1983 that the governing party has won a


by-election when the main opposition party has resigned. I happen to be


at Euston station earlier, and Paul muscle was buying a ticket to


Copland. I made that up! But I would not be surprised if he is on a train


up their pretty soon. And I hear that this was a Brexit constituency.


Exactly, it makes it even more interesting. It is a test of Jeremy


Corbyn's attitude towards Europe, and his Shadow Home Secretary's


attitude towards the free movement of people. There are a number of


people, not least the head of Unite, Len McCluskey, who would want to end


free movement. This could be really bad for foreign Labour. When the


Times cover this? A couple of months? It could be shorter than


that. It is up to Labour to move the writ, but I think we could see it


taking place in January -- what is the timetable to cover this. They


could allow a longer lead time and allow their rivals time, less to get


on with it. Very quickly, I wonder whether Jamie Reedy will be the


last? There has been a lot of suggestion today it is a chicken


run, others will start to fall. Most of us get a cold, we are laid out


and it is no big deal. But the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh falling


ill, it is front-page news. I thought this is kind of tricky,


throne a sickie. It is quite amusing in a way. I suppose you can tell


that arch royalist... We are only express now. Health scare for Queen


and Philip. Yesterday or the day before we heard from Nicholas


Witchell, the Queen is dropping her patronage of 25 major charities and


people were saying does this mean she is going to start winding down?


Even though she is in rude and robust health, she is 90. Even


though they missed their usual getaway to Sandringham, at the


moment they are staying firmly put in Buckingham Palace, which means


they must be properly ill. You say properly ill, let's not cause anyone


there to drop their cocoa or whiskey or whatever you have in your hand at


the moment. Buckingham Palace says it is all fine. They will be


travelling in a few days. And of course, Sandringham a very big part


of Christmas for both of them. I just taken aback by what you just


said, not proper ill, don't worry! It is a cold. So yes, it is the kind


of thing which will be big news, considering he is 95 and the Queen


herself is in her 90s. It is true, and it's interesting, because royal


family worked like clockwork, it is such a tradition for them to go to


Sandringham at this time of year. It reminds me how much they are part of


the routine at Christmas. We are so used to the Royal Family, especially


the Queen, doing the same thing, that it feels a real disruption of


the norm. That is a good point, you get the turkey and open the presents


and the Queen is at Sandringham. Now the sun have a headline on this, and


I pooh-poohed this at the beginning, I have to say, but looking at it on


reflection, it is not that bad. What do you think, throne a sickie? It is


not too bad. We don't want to be flip with the Queen and Prince


Philip having a cold but as someone who never throws a sticky... Are you


suggesting, the implication from this headline, from the Sun, the


most widely read paper in the country is that they are bonking off


somehow? They just can't be bothered going to Sandringham this year? If


they were genuinely concerned for the health of the royal couple, they


would not be as flip is that. And the nation is reassured. It has been


great having you in to look at the stories behind the headlines. Many


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