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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be


With me are the Sun's deputy Head of Sport,


Martin Lipton and Martin Bentham, home affairs Editor at the Evening


Tomorrow's front pages starting with...


The Observer says the Prime Minister is under pressure this weekend


to announce an emergency NHS rescue plan to parliament.


Writing in the Sunday Telegraph, Theresa May says the Government has


a duty to step in and tackle injustice.


The Sunday Times leads with Britain's former ambassador


to the EU, Ivan Rogers, meeting with David Cameron before


Christmas to warn him that Theresa May was botching Brexit.


The Sunday Express says the man set to become Donald Trump's ambassador


to the EU has revealed that he supported Brexit


The Mail on Sunday features Israeli officials allegedly caught making


a vow to 'take down' Boris Johnson's Foreign Office deputy.


And The Sun on Sunday feature a story of a man,


who was born a girl 20 years ago, being


Right. OK let us again. Martin, could you begin for us this time? We


have two Martins. We must not get confused. Theresa May in the Sunday


Telegraph, setting out her vision for a shared society, and not the


big society, which was the tactic of David Cameron. It is a society,


unlike the famous quote from Margaret Thatcher although slightly


misinterpreted. A big defining.... She said there was no such thing as


society. Yes. Everyone is focusing on Brexit but from the point of view


of the Prime Minister, her big focus is this idea of trying to present


herself and reposition the Tory policy as a party for the ordinary


person, a person who was struggling a little with the difficult changes


in the workplace and globalisation and so forth and saying here is a


government that can intervene and fix broken markets. She talks about


promoting American Greste. She talks about education in that respect.


Building more houses, addressing the how to sing shortage for people


bringing house prices down. All of these different interventionist


policies she is alluding to it this stage in her article for the Sunday


terra graft. -- Telegraph. She is setting out a big reform agenda over


the coming weeks and months. I think this is what she wants her legacy to


be rather than Brexit. It is a challenge now to see whether or not


she can deliver this. It was not a traditional conservative message.


This is pitching a big tent on what should always historically be seen


as the labour territory. He used to try and reclaim Tory territory and


to move the centre ground on his way. One could argue relatively


successfully. Theresa May is now trying to do it on her terms. It was


interesting, however, there was talk in this article about, also about


Brexit and they call it the quiet revolution by those who thought the


system had been stacked against them for too long. This is the central


crux, really, they are trying to set out a message which I am not


entirely sure comes across particularly strongly or


sufficiently well but the premises there that she wants to be seen as


someone who understands the concerns and can to some degree and so them.


Whether or not she can... There are two things here. An allegation that


she is trying to say that the Tory party is not about what it used to


stand for, it is about something different. And as you were just


saying, Martin, of cores are until now the force of globalisation in a


sense, the received political wisdom is that this is how the world is


evolving we need to go with it and work with it and you need to adapt.


She is saying actually there are things that government can do to


help and to mitigate some of those big changes. Moving on. Brexit. The


elite story in the Sunday Times. Sir Ivanka Rogers who just quit as an


ambassador. Apparently he had secret meetings with David Cameron before


Christmas. What was said? They are not secret any more. It is


interesting. There has been a schism which has widened into a genuine


ructions between Theresa May and David Cameron. Ivanka Rogers who, as


we know, quit in high dudgeon from his role as EU ambassador. That was


Cameron before Christmas and offered some aggressive warnings about the


way Brexit negotiations or more negotiations were taking place.


Speaking about the fear of mutually assured destruction and the biggest


issue is whether we have an orderly or disorderly Brexit and were


heading for a car crash, he told David Cameron. David Cameron


apparently privately shares those views the Brexit will hurt the


economy. We should not be surprised by that, given his stance in the


vote. I suspect that people in the inner circle around Theresa May will


be particularly angry and feel that once again she has been undermined


to a degree by her predecessor. I don't think they will be too say


that seeing it come out, either, because it puts a pile of pressure,


it keeps the pressure on those who are still in favour of Brexit. I


suppose so although I think this is a debate that wants to go away. A


very swift appointment of Sir Ivanka Rogers as a replacement to Tim


Burrow was obviously designed to try and close the story down because it


seemed like a 24 hour was story, to be frankly. A diplomat that no-one


heard of leaves in a flurry. An analysis of the e-mail... So this


brings it back in a sense that it is perhaps not very helpful. On the


other hand, as you say, it perhaps reinforces the view that actually he


was not, he was not independent in a sense. It was a very political


position. But maybe David Cameron encouraged him... That will be the


allegation. Talking about people who go to Europe to native. If that is


their argument, perhaps the Brexiteers will be trying to push on


point to Sir Ivanka and others. Continuing with Brexit, I'm afraid,


it is an interesting story. The UK at risk of a trade catastrophe. This


comes from a Canadian gentlemen. You mentioned earlier that this man is a


Canadian and he often says what he thinks. Generally speaking Canadians


are polite. However this chap, what has he been saying? He was part the


negotiation team to deal between Canada and the EU which took nearly


a decade to negotiate. He suggests that there is a danger of a


catastrophic Brexit because of the government ignoring the concerns of


trade experts. We had one man saying we have had too much of experts...


The thing is, however, the observer takes a stand because of its stand


on Brexit. Conversely if you look at the Sunday Express you have the


newly appointed potentially newly appointed US ambassador to the EU,


there seems to be incredibly excited at the prospect of Brexit. What that


means as both sides are looking for people to bolster their views. The


point of this Canadian man is that it is the length of time that it


takes. Look at the problem can ever faced. They take an awful lot of...


And that in itself is a dangerous business. There is some


justification in that but it is not a simple thing to get a trade deal


on the government itself has indicated there may have to be a


transitional deal with the EU. Of course, achieving a true that


additional bill is also problematic. Some of his warnings could be


justified. I'm not sure that his allegations about the inattention of


the government is valid I think the government is well aware of that


risk and doing its best to deal with it. Whether they can not is another


issue altogether and we will have to see what happens over the coming


couple of years. Continuing on. The Mail on Sunday has a curious


complicated story but it has the scoop on its hands here. An Israeli


Embassy official apparently targeting, saying they wanted to


take down the Foreign Minister, a junior minister in the Foreign


Office department. They have filmed at... What a curious business. I


think this is the story of the night. You have a diplomat from the


Israeli embassy saying that because Alan Duncan, the number two in the


Foreign Office is no truth pro- Palestinian views, saying at this


dinner where he was recorded overtly by somebody who didn't realise he


was a journalist, suggesting, in fact wanting somebody else to take


down Sir Alan Duncan and, indeed, other MPs who were deemed to be not


favourable to Israeli interests. That is quite a statement and


Israeli Ambassador apparently has now run up Alan Duncan and


apologised for this and said that the comments were completely


unacceptable. He put out a statement which we should emphasise that they


have said. The transcript on the tape is at least somewhat accurate


in terms of what was said. It is interesting. I think there will be


so difficult conversations for the aid to another junior minister who


appears to have been the second party in these conversations. We


must be very cautious about that. We do not have independent


verification. But she will be asked to give more information about what


was and wasn't said at the dinner. But there is clearly... The


Arab-Israeli issue remains at the heart of politics in this country


and probably always will because there are two very divergences


views. Diplomacy is taking a great turn. We have an Israeli wanting to


take down our minister. You have Donald Trump telling us to an point


as ambassador. We have the EU and battered resigning in high dudgeon.


Diplomacy is to be quiet behind-the-scenes and at the moment


it is spectacular. The Sunday Times has a picture of a young lady on the


front page and a chap with a very alarming looking rifle. British


bride of Isis chief. Can you explain this one to us? They are talking


about a white American convert who was a leading figure in Isis who


married a British woman and went out to Syria, she divorced him and came


back. It is talking here, a fairly straightforward story in that sense.


It illustrates, albeit that she has let them come back. It does


illustrate this continuing danger of British people, women as well as men


People from, who you would never People from, who you would never


think are going to go out there. This particular chap, we were


talking about the man, he came from in a very prominent American


military family, apparently, according to the story. Quite an


amazing background he has. It does seem bizarre that somebody who


appears to have had his roots embedded deep in the American


military structure, an American family and obviously he has had


plenty of involvement in the army, should end up being a key Isis


recruiter. It is remarkable. But then again, a number of the sort of


Western born Jihad as, you would never have imagined from their


background that they would end up being... Quite a few converts go.


That is one of the things that happens. Of course there are people


who come from those type of backgrounds. They started off from


white middle-class backgrounds and convert and become far more radical


than the average person. Now I think this is very much one for you to


talk about, Martin Lipton. Many pictures are round of Wayne Rooney


is all over the back pages. Why? It is a good story. He's got his 249th


goal for Manchester United which means he is the joint record


goalscorer. A few months ago he scored his 50th goal for England so


here's the record goalscorer for England. In both case he took the


record that had been set by Sir Bobby Charlton who was there


watching the match today. I think it is fitting that Wayne Rooney should


do it at Old Trafford in a home game rather than away in some far reaches


of Europe which it may have been the other week when they played in the


Ukraine. He has been the dominant English footballer of the last


decade. We may argue, well, he should have achieved more in did not


achieve what he could have been and is not a superstar. He nevertheless


has been England was the best player. A record goalscorer another


record goalscorer for the most hated club in English football. And a


record number of games and all of that. -- for the most celebrated


club in English football. They probably say the same as us,


actually. He has done quite well. "Quite Does quote well? Apparently


he has 26 penalties and Bobby Charlton had nine although you say


he played far fewer games that sort of even set out. The 249th goal, I


think was not actually a key grey-haired or anything. It was...


It was not the cleanest strike. It sort of floated off his shin, really


as the ball came in. These need, I read. He guided towards the goal and


he will take it. He's got fantastic goals as well. Some brilliant


strikes and cabins. He scored 249 goals, 12 years. Longevity is


impressive in itself. And he remains an iconic English football player.


He may not be the player he was but here still something special. And


very quickly. From the Sunday Telegraph, ABC breakfast time. My


lovely colleague misidentified a couple of people he was about to


interview. Explain to as what happened. He was supposed to be


interviewing a former soldier who climb Mount Everest and in fact he


got an academic who was considerably older and not quite as athletic.


Unfortunately he did not realise that he had the wrong person in


front of him until, well, he realise quickly, I think... It does show


actually how fraught live television can be. It can be indeed, especially


when you have two people called Markson. Thank you very much,


gentlemen. Well done, John Kay handled well in the end.


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Thank you, Martin Lipton and Martin Bentham.


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