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Now on BBC News here's The Papers

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Hello and welcome to the The Papers - a look through what the Sunday

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With me are Prashant Rao, Deputy Europe Business Editor

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of the International New York Times and Shyana Perera,

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The Observer says the Prime Minister is under pressure this weekend

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to announce an emergency NHS rescue plan to parliament.

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Writing in the Sunday Telegraph, Theresa May says the Government has

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a duty to step in and tackle injustice.

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The Sunday Times leads with Britain's former

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ambassador to the EU, Ivan Rogers, meeting

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with David Cameron before Christmas to warn him that Theresa May

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The Sunday Express says the man set to become Donald Trump's ambassador

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to the EU has revealed that he supported Brexit

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The Mail on Sunday features Israeli officials allegedly caught making

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a vow to 'take down' Boris Johnson's Foreign

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And The Sun on Sunday feature a story of a man,

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who was born a girl - twenty years ago, being

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Let's have a look at them. Theresa May, we know she will make a big

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speech at some point on Brexit, but this is an article she has written

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for the Sunday Telegraph which they feature on the front page saying

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that it is now the sheriff society not the big society. I think if you

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read the article which is tucked away inside the Sunday Telegraph,

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and the size of a normal column by any columnist, all it says is a

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shared society means a shared society. It does not tell you

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anything. We will act across as really society to restore the

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furnace which is the bedrock of the social solidarity that makes our

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nation stronger. What on earth does that mean? I cannot see a big

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difference between this and big society which was all about active

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citizenship and all of that is embedded in this. It is just...

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Shared his three letters longer than big. It is and to reason may maybe

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has not actually got a single idea to deliver. That is the problem, we

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know the political mood not just in this country but across the western

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world in democracies is very sceptical of politicians and the

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promises so when you view the big society or shared society and you

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wonder if going to hospital is a good thing and if you will be seen a

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lot, there is a disappointing between the reality that many others

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live in and the politicians. As people are increasingly sceptical of

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politicians promises, interestingly there is this one sentence that

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struck me, which was championing this idea of the people just about

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managing at the idea that these people need an act of governance

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that. Up, I think that is currently a throwaway phrase but could be

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interesting about how a Conservative government could be more activist

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when it comes to industry, added more interventionist than it comes

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to markets, she talks but intervening in failed markets, that

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is not the typical rhetoric a year from Conservative government which

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places more faith in markets and more faith in businesses to figure

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things out and this kind of line which I find just a little unusual

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as not quite in keeping with the Conservatives. I thought that was

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interesting and that the target audience was not the poor but those

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who some would describe as jams, but normal ordinary working people who

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think that things have got much more difficult and also our society is

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quite unfair. To reason me is a great strategist and has crept

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crab-like across the social spectrum to the side that is normally brought

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by the Tories are classified -- pacified by the Tories and she's

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making all sorts of claims about think she will do that do break the

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model of what Tory prime ministers do but there is not a single piece

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of information behind any of this, it is like a Miss world contestants

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saying I want world peace. It is just where is the basis of any of

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this? It has been six months, we have not had a single policy that

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has any value. Is it about changing the subject from Brexit? I think

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that is interesting, a lot of front pages document Ivan Rogers who

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continues to dominate headlines,... Right back this is the British

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diplomatic weight. We see on the front page of the Sunday Times that

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he secretly met with Cameron at the end of last year, we have stuff here

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about the front page of the Observer has an op-ed from a Canadian trading

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official who said it will be difficult and Sir Ivan Rogers was

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correct, this is still a dominant narrative. I think one of the

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accusations that has been levelled against the Prime Minister is that

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the whole Brexit thing has sucked up all the oxygen and has not been

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enough discussion on other that are happening. The NHS, the education

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system, all these things ever pressing issues. I thought the front

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page splash of the mail on Sunday was terrific. Colleagues in Al

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Jazeera were behind this but the story is as real plot to take down

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Tory minister. A video cat is the diplomatic conspiring with deputy MP

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eight two slam a fully minister. You can see let's take down bodices

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deputy, -- Boris. They have done a good newspaper job. We have done a

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good newspaper job of ITV job. Let's give credit where it is due. I found

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this interesting because I did not know Boris and Allen about that

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important any more, it felt like that is the ministry where we have a

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couple of puppets and it is being run by someone else. The Israelis

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suggested that Boris is now was an idiot. That is the court. It is

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quite interesting, it has been passed on to us and the upgrade

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relations with visual, everything is fine, which is usual the poetic

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speak for there is a row behind closed doors. There are two things

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you, one is the grey minister after Secretary Kenny's speech the

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pro-minister was more strident in support of Israel, and I think with

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with British history it is a little bit, its alliance with the US given

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that she was so critical of the secretary, secretary Kenny, was

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unusual. We are now hearing more and more about foreign countries tried

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to intervene in politics. I think this is something of countries

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elsewhere in the world often suspect of the US and Britain, but now we

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have the situation with Russia doing things that the allegations that

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Israel tries to do things in British politics, this is becoming more and

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more of the narrative. What is interesting about that is to take

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down a government minister whatever you mean by that, to take down a

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government minister for believing that Israel's policy of settlements

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in certain areas is wrong is something that will shock people.

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Not the side bar stuff about what you think of Boris John is not the

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idea of destroying someone because you don't like the logical ideas and

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it is a foreign government doing it, that is the core of this. That is

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right, but has a long history with Israel and a long leash and ship

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with Israel and the idea that whether it would be a foreign

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government intervening to take down a government minister, it is hard to

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tell what exactly has been done, if anything, with regards to this by

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the Israeli embassy but even the mere suggestion that this is

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something that they would want to do. Can you imagine if this was a

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French diplomat saying they wanted to take down some government

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minister because they wed in favour Brexit. And you imagine the row? I

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think there would be a huge row and I find it odd because we are friends

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of Israel so the idea that they feel they need to take down members of

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our government is worrying that it makes me think someone has always

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sat on the fence about as real that perhaps we have gone too far into

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bed with Israel. Maybe this is a shot across the bow for those of us

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who have been complacent about it and think it is obvious why we have

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eggs in this particular basket and are ignoring others. I think it will

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tip the balance just as I think the Russian hacking as you said will tip

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the balance. We start to understand, I have just spent the whole

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Christmas period watching that fact that this is just like homeland.

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Happening every day in the newspapers. Suddenly you realise

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that these outlandish narrative you have been watching are happening all

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the time. We await the French and German elections. I was taken by the

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study, the Sunday Telegraph says that universities are worn over

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quoted snowflakes to the hand to Snowflake students in controversial

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-- is controversial changes to the ranking systems will be approved, it

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means that student voices as to whether they like the university the

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art will be taken into account. To dismiss a whole group of people as

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snowflakes because they happen to be young and have views about how they

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are mentored -- about how they made doesn't post per year tuition fees

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are being spread as the raiders. There are two different elements to

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this that are, I told you about this, as you arrested becomes more

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expensive because one of a financial decision, it is reasonable to say

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that, they are kind of customers in a way, that they have some say over

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the product they are paying for. But at the same time there is also the

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element that university is a place where you're meant to be challenged

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and you have to ask questions of yourself and questions the -- that

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you ask of others that are demanding. The ability to be

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challenged is a fundamental part of it you come across ideas you don't

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like. Yes but the ship your views. That was something about my

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experience in university that I treasure and if that is eroded you

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lose something. Take your point but the idea that this is a generation

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of tender little plan to cut the top of this, there are some people who

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complain about people having different views having a platform.

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Yes and that is that I would disagree completely about bowing to

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Snowflake students demand, if they are basing their satisfaction on

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whether and not the university allows free debate or not,... Or

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doesn't challenge the prejudices. I am looking for similes but it is

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like going into Falkland and Mason and complaining they have kangaroo

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nose and potato root on the shelves. Say well I know it is a well in or

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to the fancy food store but actually I don't want you to get me fancy

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food. Whole point of education and I envied each of people now, not the

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fees are lass but the fact that so many are able to go to university,

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to be stretched, to be challenged, to be forced to look of things they

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don't like. To be fair to most students that is what they want.

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That is the point I was trying to make, it is a very small minority

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who would fit into that category of so-called snowflakes. That is true.

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The danger is to castigate an entire group of thousands of aspiring young

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people who want to be challenged as snowflakes, but there is a decent

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number of anecdotes that make you a little bit worried about people who

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are, we see this all the time, people who want to stay in the

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bottles and don't want to be challenged. It is coming to the NUS

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which is not a small, might be a small organisation as a whole

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likeable and many members at hazard has a huge voice and huge influence.

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The one thing I worried about as being one of those people who say it

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was better in my day! Don't want to be that person but that is my

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concern. Fish stocks if I can find it, the story says, it is somewhere

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in the Observer, the point of the story, thank you very much, how

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warming seas are forcing fish to seek new waters. And not by a number

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of things about this. Climate change is affecting the fish we have in

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British waters, cold is further north and this is more difficult to

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get. That said coming soon, squid suppers. We are plenty of squid, not

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so much cod, will be changing dietary habits because of this? Are

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you? I'm not. You will live cod suddenly goes up in price. I suppose

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the Scottish will start on it and pass it down, they like haggis, the

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like squid. Pass over the border and we will all start eating it because

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there is no more cod. I am a Scottish squid lover so I am happy

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to have squid and chips. How about you, Prashant? It is interesting

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because cultures cuisines do change over time depending on what is

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available economically and as the climate changes, so wouldn't be

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surprising. It would be unusual and fun to shake up some of these

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recipes. Can you imagine it with vigour can? Whatever Sunday roast

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was built around squid? What would that is why? The Sunday roast is not

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something that people have on Sundays very often any more. It was

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something 50 years ago. Our tastes have changed. The Indian

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subcontinent, her favourite meal is supposed to be checking taken the

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salad. And it probably is. -- chicken taken masala. This is harder

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because if you cannot afford because you can go for something else.

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Whenever fish has become fashionable it has always been fish that we

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have, sea bass has become fashionable, then monkfish, you

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don't really see the local fish becoming fashionable. Cod you tend

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to get into peace, hadn't you get in chickpeas, so I guess the squid will

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go into the chip shop. Is squid is good? You're Scottish. Don't hold it

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against me. I am not of the snuffly generation so I can take it. To

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pursue the fish angle, Salmond has made a huge comeback. 50 years ago

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it was expensive and now it is quite cheap, it is a good fish to eat. I

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preferred the Atlantic salmon. Farmed salmon is a bit flabby. I

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don't know quite where going. The other big story this month is

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obviously the presidency of the United States. Club tweets in the

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world jobs, this is inside the Observer. Now, the Sunday Times.

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What is interesting about this issue is a man who makes the news by

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sitting on his phone and quite often if you follow the news he is making,

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commenting on TV programmes and new shoes he is watching, this is a

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president unlike any other we have ever seen. It is easy to talk about

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that, the more concerning stuff is his tweets have aside from the

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lyrical impact, we saw the past week he was tweeting about General Motors

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fortitude, the company had to dramatically change the strategy or

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at somatic changes, otherwise, it is easy to forget that these companies

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employ hundreds of thousands of people with real jobs, and being

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affected by 140 characters that the President-elect puts out. Maybe the

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share price of these companies bounces back but they suddenly have

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to veer off course. The impact of these tweets are fascinating because

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how does the PR industry do with this? If you are the PR for Toyota

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and you're waiting on tenterhooks for what the President-elect might

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tweet, it could completely upend your strategy overnight. It is

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fascinating. And also he has been, Mr Trump has been derided for using

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these tweets, I would suggest he is very smart because you don't get

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challenged or you ignore the challenges, everybody takes this as

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news value, and he cannot be interrogated on it. You can't

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question. He tweeted about how delighted he is to meet Theresa May

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later this spring, but is a great ally. Well that is fine but when it

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comes to what Toyota should do, what car company should do, we get into

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different territory. He has the ballast of being himself, so we

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can't write it off as easily as we would if it were seen President

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Obama who was tweeting. It is interesting because he's absolutely

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a president for the modern age, he is able to first of all encapsulated

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things and short pithy sentences and he is able to control and terrorise

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via Twitter which is really a gift I think Mrs Thatcher would have been

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like this. This is a man who doesn't sleep. In mind that is cause of the

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working sometimes it is making -- working positively and a lot of the

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time it is working negatively in some danger not sure it is working

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but the result was something going on and I think this is exciting and

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interesting, because I'm not affected by it I guess, the moment.

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I find this endlessly interesting and entertaining and enlightening,

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actually, that somebody can be so powerful and there must be some

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truth in some of the things he's saying for companies and people to

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respond in the way that they do. The other but I was struck by if we have

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a look on this, this is the Telegraph cartoon and you will see

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the President-elect of the United States being sworn in and he is a

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glove puppet with Vladimir Putin with his hand inside a glove. That

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is a very interesting, obviously a cartoonist 's take on a very

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interesting story. Relations Russia in 2017. It is like with it the

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tweets, it is anyone's guess. It is clear that the President-elect is

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certainly more open to good relations with Russia and sees

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Russia in a different way than I think most are at least the loudest

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portion of the US foreign policy community views Russia, I think this

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will be tricky because his nominee for Secretary of State has garnered

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some opposition from within his own party because of Rex Kellas and's

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relationship with Russia. As time goes on and this is going to be one

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of the fascinating narratives of the Trump presidency, he really should

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chip in Russia that will be arguably the most important relationship and

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how it stays -- shapes the security climate. The sound ramifications for

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the whole world, doesn't it? It is a Mexican stand-off between these two

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superpowers. I think there's something that is incredibly

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positive about it actually, I like the fact that Trump is suggesting he

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is open -- using opening, what is scary as the curtain suggested that

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perhaps he's been manipulative, but if ultimately there is some sort of

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agreement, if there is some sort of, think the word I looking for is

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Congress but I don't think that is the correct word, but finding that

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equilibrium between the two superpowers, think it would be

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fantastic. On that happy note, that isn't the papers. Our FAQs to

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Prashant and Shyana. We take a look at tomorrow's front pages every

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evening on BBC News. Good morning. Another fairly quiet

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weather day, it is misty and create the Iliad have some freezing fog and

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avail of York but it will be all change this week. Already the

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elements line up to the west of the UK every cDNA of low pressure

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