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The action gets under way this afternoon, with coverage on BBC Two.


There are also regular updates live on Radio 5 Live.


Hello and welcome to our review of The Papers.


With me are Josie Delap, home affairs correspondent


for the Economist, and journalist Sean Dilley.


Let's have a look at today's front pages.


The Observer says cancer patients are feeling


the brunt of the NHS crisis, with operations being cancelled


The Mail on Sunday suggests cutting the foreign aid budget


It claims more than three quarters of voters support the idea.


Meanwhile, on the same story, the Sunday Mirror has a picture


of a two-year-old girl it says had to sit on the floor for eight hours


Theresa May's Brexit strategy is the Sunday Telegraph's focus.


It says the PM is prepared to lead Britain out of the single market.


The "Brexit Battle Plan" is how the Sunday Express put it,


saying Mrs May is going to get tough with Brussels.


And the Sunday Times carries an image of Prince William who, it


says, will be leaving his position as an air-ambulance


helicopter pilot to pursue full-time royal duties.


The Sunday Telegraph, story reflecting some of the other papers,


gamble on a clean the Brexit, Britain could leave customs union to


secure better trade talks. They have both parts per, clean Brexit seems


to be watches aiming for. Yes, it seems to be a bit of a rebranding,


from hard Brexit to clean. The speech will be on Tuesday,


ambassadors from the 27 EU states have been invited to attend. She


will lay out in more detail than she currently has her plans for


Britain's exit from the EU which will include being prepared to leave


the customs union as well as the single market. In order to regain


full control of borders. To no longer be bound by a European Court


of Justice rulings. She is also keen to end the divisive rhetoric of


levers and remainders and the insults flung around... A lot of


people are keen on that. It is hard to see that happening. This is her


trying to answer some of her critics who say she is simply not telling us


what she plans to do. Rightly picking up on the clean Brexit, good


bit of rebranding, one wonders what a dirty Brexit would be. Without


wishing to be too controversial, I am sick of all of the hard Brexit,


soft Brexit, clean Brexit, all of this nonsense, insulting rhetoric. I


know you are watching, Downing Street. We are not hiring a poet, we


would have Shelley to do that. I sympathise to a degree with the


Prime Minister because she is being asked and forced into revealing her


negotiating position before and it is a really bad idea patented.


Legally, can she remove the customs union, article 127, our membership


of the single market? There is a campaign and a judicial review going


to court led by a PR chap and I believe another. One is a remain and


one is a lever. They are trying to argue that it needs another bit of


Parliamentary scrutiny. Have we got the patience? The Sunday Times, same


story. I want to move onto Donald Trump who is obviously going to be


not just the biggest newsmaker this week but probably this year and the


Sunday Times says he wants a summit in rhetoric. What do you make of


this? Traditionally, in recent years, the President's first


international visit has been to Canada, fairly innocuous. The best


possible way! Donald Trump is discussing going to Russia, or took


recce a third-party location, to meet with Putin -- to Iceland. This


seems to have got footage officials quite worried. What exactly it will


mean in terms of sanctions on Russia. -- British officials. And


tromp-- and Donald Trump's intentions. The more recent ones


about hacking and Crimea being occupied. Donald Trump has promised


to keep an open mind on this. He has been quite flattering about Putin in


recent months so I think this is another sign of his willingness to


develop that relationship, something he says is going to be good for


America, good for them to have warmer relations. And it could be.


Someone who has been accused of looking like Vladimir Putin on


occasion, particularly from behind, ultimately, whether Russia and


America like each other, and they probably don't, historically, let us


be honest, it is clearly of benefit to have two world powers, each of


whom could be perceived by the other side as being a little bit unstable


with nuclear weapons, too... I am doing a Donald Trump! It is going to


be fantastic! The British are worried, that is part of the story.


So they say. Within the foreign service of the US, the capital of


Iceland is remembered from when Ronald Reagan tried to give away all


nuclear weapons. One might wish for a nuclear free world, but some of


the more hard cases in the Ronald Reagan administration went, my


goodness, the president is suggesting the Gorbachev, we get rid


of all of the nukes. You have to assume one of the reasons that


people in the intelligence committee on foreign service in America are so


worried about this is because we simply have no idea of what to


expect from Donald Trump and his presidency. The knows what he could


say at any moment... On Twitter, probably! Who knows. I think that is


one of the most unsettling things for spooks and diplomats who are


traditionally quite conservative or like to know very much... They like


predictability. He is anything but predictable stock we have seen this


week the president elect picking a fight, one might say, or engaging a


fight with the CIA, American intelligence, which is a brave thing


to do. Secondly, picking a fight with the civil rights community and


with, was in John Lewis who is a hero among the civil rights


committee in the United States and beyond that because of the way he


conducted himself in the early 60s. When we talk about in terms of what


he may say, he is limited by the Constitution. An awful lot of people


do not like Donald Trump the person but they are dealing with Donald


Trump the office also Reverend Jesse Jackson is also involved in the


civil liberties much happening at the moment. It is fairly inevitable


that they are going to be protests against the person. People have to


bear in mind, again, whether people like the result, effectively, they


are not protesting against democracy... Well, that is the


argument we are having. It is interesting, we will have the


president of the United States calling for unity in the United


States, one can predict, Theresa May is doing that here, you could say it


is wonderful, but it also create social problems. Absolutely, the


deep breaths, no matter how much politicians call for unity, it is


hard to imagine them going away. -- deep rifts. The differences are


fundamental, something like Brexit, as we have seen, it reveals very


great divisions. We are a polarised country. You could almost look at


the Brexit referendum back in June and the US election and the


percentages, they are not far off. Indeed not. This is a story which


the health service... The Observer has got it as have other papers in


different ways. The Mirror has the human story. The Observer has got,


health service in fighters, cancer operations cancelled. Number 10 must


face the truth according to a hospital chief. This is something


people care deeply about. Absolutely. The point about this


story, we have seen it quite a lot, stories about the crisis the NHS is


facing, cancer operations have traditionally been protected, if not


officially but they have been seen as things you cannot cancel. In


December, some hospitals began having to postpone them, if not


cancel them. The number of the hospitals doing that has increased


in January. So we have got people criticising the Government for


failing to acknowledge the scale of the crisis, which is nothing new. It


is against the backdrop, we were talking a few moments ago before


coming on air, GPs being told they have to stay from ATM until 8pm, it


is no win for anybody because if you are not a Doctor Barbara, even if


you are, I guess, but maybe you have got more time, it is virtually


impossible to get any form of GP appointment unless you queue up --


Doctor bother. Theresa May is saying that by having the surgery is open


it will ease the crisis. But GPs, professional bodies, friends of


mine, they feel they are slightly picked upon. Whether that is fair is


wide of the debate. You cannot put it all on them. You covered this


endlessly, the Economist. It is not new to this government, however we


can attract Jeremy Hunt, not the most loved person in the country,


very few people who do that job are loved by doctors and therefore by


those of us who like our doctors. What is true about the current


situation is Britain was not spending on health services is


falling behind other rich countries. We are spending less in comparison


to other places. The difficulty with health care spending compared to


something like criminal justice spending, which Theresa May was in


charge before, is that you can decide, I am simply not going to


send people to prison, I am going to... I'm going to make these


crimes, they are no logo going to be crimes. You cannot do that with


health care services. -- no longer. We have an increasingly sick


population. This is only going to be a bigger problem. Also, as you know,


governments talk about more money for the health service, but there


are more of us, the biggest success of British art in the past 50 years,


we are living longer, great success story, except if you happen to need


a doctor in your lady bloomer and you need more than ten minutes. The


figures as well -- in your 80s. There is more money being siphoned


off for social care and the like. Maybe five years ago, are member


interviewing the Health Secretary at the time, 103 billion, so the amount


is increasing. To be frank, it is really difficult. I have sympathies


with both sides. The NHS is being cut and they are feeling the


squeeze. But if you say, here is ?300 billion, which would be a


little bit under half of what the entire Treasury is worth, 768


billion, we would still have people surely wanting more budget and it is


natural because we want to help people. It is true, going back to


your point, if you look at Jeremy, per capita, they have almost three


times the number of hospital beds available because they have a


different system and they spend more money on it -- if you look at


Germany. The NHS used to be the envy of the world. It has not been


replicated though. Exactly. When we talk about it, it is difficult. We


talk about the NHS and the NHS budget as though it is one


monolithic organisation and it is many different organisations and


many different things have money spent on them. Social care, that has


been cut. The knock-on effects of that in terms of elderly people


getting sick at home and needing to come into hospital, putting pressure


on hospitals, it is something that is a very complex ecosystem. Moving


the Telegraph, Facebook and fake news. I love this story! Let me that


it! Parliament to grill Facebook chiefs over fake news. This is the


stories which you can see on social media and elsewhere. I am going to


be very cynical now and point out there is a business model that works


for online papers were the headline is so outrageously devoid from the


reality, the reality is the last paragraph, accusing the Prime


Minister still linked the lemur Christine Yate cupcake and a great


big hole thing and then they say, the Daily Mail, any other


publication, the prime Mr was in Jersey that day and could not have


been there -- the Prime Minister stealing a cupcake. There is a claim


and a counterclaim and here is our research. The answer to so-called


fake news is to do news accurately, to have journalists, not


churnalists. And have an editor. I am sorry, it was in the Telegraph a


while ago, a story which said, could previous lovers change how your


future children will look? In paragraph six, the research was


based on fruit flies. Intriguing. I thought, what is fake news? That is


one of the crucial questions. We know that there have been stories


that have been utterly false that people take very seriously and it


affects how they might vote and how they view the world and it is


something to take very seriously. We have to be very careful also about


what we label fake news and who label is something fake. Donald


Trump says CNN is fake news because he does not like it. It creates


biblical aspect to a genuinely difficult story. Do you mean


propaganda? -- it creates a difficult aspect. A story that the


BBC is to launch a fake news unit. Actually, I think it... It is


supposed to be anti-fake news. It is a fantastic idea. The problem is, it


is using rhetoric. To give you an example, with huge respect to


anybody in public service, the former prime Mr David Cameron said


that journalists should refer to the organisation that itself the Islamic


State as so-called Islamic State, I can tell you that I refused to use


the term the prime Minster said we should use because there should be


an unhealthy tension. I said the organisation called itself the


Islamic State and thereafter you call it IS or Islamic State. There


is a danger, not just when politicians tell the media what


language they should use, we need to have independence. Anti-fake news


unit is a brilliant idea. Front page of the Telegraph, 50 Conservative


MPs have demanded the Government brings in tougher strike clause --


laws. This is an old chestnut, very interesting because the Southern


Rail strike has caused such misery. Absolutely. 50 MPs saying that


strikes on critical public infrastructure such as train and bus


services should only be allowed if they can be deemed reasonable and


proportionate by a judge and if they are allowed to go ahead, unions have


to provide a skeleton service. What is striking about this, pardon the


pun... Well done! They have caused enormous misery, the strikes, but


the numbers of workers who are members of the unions and the number


of days lost to strikes has declined dramatically. We are left with a few


strikes that cause a lot of misery because they are in very high


profile industries, where it is very difficult to get workers to stand in


when you go on strike. We have to remember, when you have MPs calling


for widespread laws about strikes, this is a smaller and smaller issue.


What do you make of it? I am loathe to taking any more rights away or


creating more laws because successive governments like doing


that. I have a little bit of sympathy, I do not tend to use that


train network, but I have a little bit of sympathy. For example


policing, I do not know if you would call it an industry, but they are


not allowed to strike because we need a police service. It is a


privately run company, that is the other argument. You cannot go on


another railway to come up from Brighton. The devil is in the detail


and it is about negotiation. We have to leave it there. That is it. Thank


you to Mevlut Mert Aydintas and Ariel Zurawski. -- thank you to Sean


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