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That is all your sports are now. Now it is time for The Papers.

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Hello and welcome to our review of the Sunday morning papers.

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With me are the journalist Yasmin Alibhai Brown

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and the Political Commentator James Millar.

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The Sunday Express leads with news of Theresa May's upcoming meeting

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The global protests against the new president makes

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The Mail on Sunday claims the Prime Minister is set to use her

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meeting with President Trump to tell him to stop insulting women.

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While the Sunday Telegraph says the president is planning a new deal

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with Britain to reduce trade barriers and reach

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The Sunday Times leads on a story that Downing Street covered up

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a nuclear weapons mishap which apparently led to a Trident

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missile veering off course during a test firing near Florida

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and heading towards the United States.

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So, let us get started. We will stop the Sunday express. Theresa May is

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my Maggie. The Prime Minister will be the first world leader to meet

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the president. The relationship is expected to be as close as Margaret

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Thatcher and Ronald Reagan. A lack of imagination. Theresa May and a

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right wing American president. It will be like Reagan and Maggie all

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over again. It really does suggest a lack of imagination. This is not

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Ronald Reagan and this is not Maggie. Clearly different people. I

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think I might end up missing Margaret Thatcher by the time this

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period is over. Honestly! That would be a first. Would be. Listening to

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Theresa May's speech I thought, my God, she is hard right in some ways,

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which Margaret Thatcher never dared to be quite that way. She wasn't so

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in your face. But one of the things in this story, it's all about

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wanting to go to the palace! He is like a little boy, isn't he. He

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wants a bigger party, a big reception. More than Obama had. This

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is where the Queen will do the nation's business and will welcome

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him, whether it is Buckingham Palace, golf at Saint Andrews or

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whatever. The Queen will fly the flag for Britain. She always does,

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which is nothing in a way. Publicly it will be very level and all the

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rest of it. The question is will the rest of them meet with him? Prince

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Charles is a champion of climate change. Donald Trump does not

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believe in it. It is off the White House agenda. No, he said it doesn't

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exist. It is not happening, you know? It is a plot by China. It will

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be an interesting meeting. Let us move on. I was struck by the Daily

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Mail headline. Cut out your sexist chat, Mr President. First of all, I

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don't know how much of it is too much imagination or wishful thinking

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or whatever, but I don't know if she can. If she does, good. But do you

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really think that the first meeting, and they will curtail to him because

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of this trade deal, that she is going to say that? I doubt it. I

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hope so. If you are a grown-up place with a bully who is offensive to

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women, she should walk into the room and so, please don't do that. Can I

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point out, he got half the women's Bob. That is why I am fascinated by

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the headline. The mail on Sunday is not a champion of women's rights,

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shall we say, as a title. But it does have a lot of women readers, so

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they clearly think the readers are offended by Trump's sexist insults.

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Whereas as you say, a lot of women in America when so offended that

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they couldn't bring themselves to vote for him. I'm intrigued by the

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fact that the Daily Mail thinks that the readers, if they work in

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America, would be Trump voters. That is very interesting. Also, the mail

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on Sunday is a very different paper from the Daily Mail. The mail on

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Sunday was four remain and the Daily Mail was for Brexit. Maybe they have

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a different place they are coming from. And I suppose we will hear

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this tired phrase about the special relationship, which every British

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diplomat who has worked in Washington can't stand. There is a

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special relationship. We have to be quite careful about how we use that

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phrase. But Theresa May will be the first foreign leader to meet him on

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Friday, we now know. It is a koo. Mr Farage will take the credit for it.

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I think the British ambassador in Washington might take the credit. He

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will get that within the diplomatic service. And Theresa May's team went

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over a few weeks ago. Beyond this, we have the Sunday Telegraph who

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have the substance of what we think might go on. Trump's new Deal for

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Britain. President's teamwork on deal, despite global protest. A deal

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to reduce barriers between British and American banks. A working group

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to identify barriers to trade and a joint statement on defence. But the

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context has got to beat America first, hasn't it? It is. That's a

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striking thing about his inauguration speech, that if any

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other nation thinks that he cares at all about anybody else, I don't know

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what they are thinking. And there is also this small problem that we are

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still in the EU, so we still can't go around signing agreements until

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we are out. Or even formally discuss agreements. It is against the rules,

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but honestly this man doesn't understand anything about

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international relations and how the whole world works. But a warm

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personal relationship, if that is what Theresa May can establish, is

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important? What we have seen over the last few days suggests Trump

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might be absolutely crazy. He is still a bit of a mystery. Is he

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crackers or is it a big plan to distract people with one thing

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whilst something else is going on? Theresa May, whatever you think of

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her politics, is a grown-up. She is a very serious person. To have a

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grown-up men him who has his ear and can possibly have some control over

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him... She is a woman. Him dancing with his wife. His wife seem to be

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curling away. So Theresa May, don't dance with him. He is not Ed Balls,

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in terms of the dancing! In so many ways he is not Ed Balls. I think

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another interesting point over the last few days is this sensitivity to

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things which other people might think are less interesting. Like the

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size of the inauguration crowds. We have seen the pictures, but we are

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now told that it was the most viewed inauguration in history. Maybe on

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TV, but the crowds look thinner. He hates it. He is a bully in

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everywhere, but if anyone criticises him what he thinks he has achieved,

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then there is this real anger that erupts out of him. They are not

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able, I mean they have controlled messages for long enough, but we may

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be entering a time when there is proper coverage of what this man is

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and people are less scared of his tweets and his bullying. But the

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White House press spokesman has made it clear that they will hold the

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media to account. This is what I mean about is it all part of a plan?

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Quite clearly the crowd was not as big as previous crowds. He said it

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was. Is it because he is mad, which is a worry because he has the

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nuclear codes, or does he want us to worry about the crowd was he is

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trashing Obamacare behind the scenes. He wants to control

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everything, including the story and that is what we now have ahead of

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us. It is a plan. So you're talking about the crowd instead of talking

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about Obamacare. No, talking up the crowd. That is crazy. There are

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millions of Americans who distrust the so-called mainstream media. They

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don't regard it as reflecting the views. They look at Donald Trump's

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tweets and think that it reflects their views. I have a problem with

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the term mainstream media. And we have two admit, the mainstream

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media, we hate each other because we are all competitive. Sometimes! It

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doesn't really matter in a way because the bottom line is, there

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were only so many people there at Trump's inauguration. It doesn't

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matter who is reporting it, it is a fact! In one breath he said what he

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said about Muslims when he was campaigning. And then the next day

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he got up and said, I like Muslims, they are good people. Some of my

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best friends... I think he even use that term. He said he didn't mock a

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reporter with disabilities. Yes you do, we saw it. The Observer talks

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about the protests. Does it change anything at all? It is important

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because if we are not going to let us get into the situation of a new

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kind of neofascism, one way or another, individually or as

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collectives, we have to resist or at least be cut because otherwise I

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don't know what is going to happen to be world. The whole world, not

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just the United States. Remember, this happened during the Iraq war.

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On one day the world came out. They could not stop the war, but nobody

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has ever forgotten that in one of the reasons Blair ended up when he

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did was because of that coming out against the war. So it is important.

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How do you see James? As one who was on the march in London yesterday, I

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don't know how much it achieves, but it does make you feel better being

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amongst like-minded people. I was struck by the number of men who were

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either on the tube on the sidelines of the module are saying exactly

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that in an aggressive way. Why are you doing this, it won't change

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anything, your ridiculous. I shouldn't be surprised by it, but I

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was. No, it's not going to change the fact Trump is president, but it

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sends out some sort of message, either to him to like-minded people

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that you not alone will stop that there is hope if the lee-macro. --

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that there is hope. But he is being skint. More people turned out for

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the protest marches than his inauguration. And that will really

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affect him. It's a strange story. They've reported on the American

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march and not the British one. At the top of the front page of the

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paper be leader line, this summarises absolutely clearly what

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many of us feel has happened. Let's move on to the Sunday Times. They

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have an exclusive. A really good story. House covered up Trident

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fiasco. -- number ten. There was no nuclear tipped on it, but it clearly

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malfunction. The head of all of this has said it is safer we know what we

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are doing, but we will never know if it happened and how it happens, I

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don't think. I think the contrast with the Observer, that is a story.

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It is exclusive. Some people will be reporting tomorrow and the next day

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because the Commons want to know what were wrong. The protest were

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reported on the story. I thought one of the most interesting stories was

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about 10% of people not owning a single book. Would you make of that?

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I believe it and I find it terribly depressing, especially as now

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libraries are closing down, you know? I just find it really sad that

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there are people, I know people, I have got some rich friends who have

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artificial books. They look like books? They look like leather bound

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books, but they are not, so that is where we are. I am suspicious of it.

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It might be fake news. It is a PR survey will stop if it is true, as

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you say, the worst thing is if people don't have books, you can't

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go around to the house and judge them on what they read. People have

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e-readers on the trainer. He has got an e-reader, what is he reading? Is

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it something dodgy? I'm talking to an American -- I remember talking to

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an American teacher and she said that they determine how well a child

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is going to do based on if there are books in the house. That is an

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important determinant. I helped a young child to read. She had a

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typical home life. The first time I gave her a book, she was six and she

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did not know which side to open. It was very sad. But she did learn and

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within three months she was reading fluently. It's just the opportunity.

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Does it matter that much these days with e-readers? You can read books

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online. Are we terribly old-fashioned? I am glad we are

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old-fashioned. I am in favour of newspapers as well, something you

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can pick up and read, but the kids are not necessarily reading, they

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are reading something else. I do think you can give a child be hungry

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Caterpillar on an e-reader. Most kids started with comics. There is

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only BB note left. Dandy went online a few years ago. I don't know is a

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simple answer. Not ideal for a pundit to say that. We will leave it

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there. That is it. And a reminder, we take a look at the front pages

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every evening, here on BBC News.

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