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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be

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With me are journalist, writer and broadcaster Agnes Poirier

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and the Economics Editor of The Independent Ben Chu.

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No prizes for guessing the story on all of tomorrow's front

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It is the visit to America by Theresa May. Many of the papers show

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the picture of Theresa May and double trap holding hands.

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Many of the papers show the picture of Donald Trump and Theresa May

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holding hands with the words "love at the White House."

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The hand holding also features on the Mirror's front page

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which describes the meeting as something of a love-in.

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The Guardian calls it the new special relationship and suggests

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Theresa May has been reassured by President Trump and several key

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issues. The Telegraph refers to Donald Trump

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and Theresa May as the happy couple who have shown that

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opposites attract. The Times signals Trump's praise for

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exit and shows him pointing at the bust of Winston Churchill, now

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reinstated in the Oval Office. The Independent's headline mentions

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President Trump's backing of Brexit and the confirmation Theresa May

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said she was given that he backs And the FT regards the meeting

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as a success, saying Trump hands May the promise

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of 'stronger' special relationship. The Sun has its own

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exclusive about three students at Harrow public school

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who are believed to have collapsed All right. Let's begin. It was

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almost a complete set, wasn't it? Only be sun broke rank with their

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front page. Let's start with the Daily Mail and the head line the

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love in at the White House. The pictures of the handholding, the arm

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around the back and everything. The mood of it was fairly good or were

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you not really surprised at all, Agnes, about this? It looks as if

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the British press wants us all to blush when actually all I felt was

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mortified. The haste in which Theresa May, just after he was

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elected, she couldn't get to him on the phone, and actually he was very

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quick to meet Nigel Farage on the hub of the British people. Now she

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says, thank you so much for having me so soon at the White House and it

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sounds so desperate. And indeed, sounds so desperate. And indeed,

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is a trade deal now because of is a trade deal now because of

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Brexit. So we had of course words about the special relationship but

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we've had that for decades if not centuries. I don't know. Then the

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's side. She is above all this. So 's side. She is above all this. So

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don't bring having. What do you think? You say Brexit but those in

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favour of Brexit with a sensible? This is the first full week of

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Donald Trump's presidency and by any rational standard it has been a

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complete disaster. Any hope that he would become more presidential,

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become more restraint have been out the window. Talking about trade

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wars, insulting people, relations breaking down all over the place.

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Pathological lying has come through. Then for the British Prime Minister

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had to go here and as Agnes says tries to be depressed of this man is

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a very high risk minibar. -- tries to be the best friend of this man.

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If he carried on in this vein, these pictures of Theresa May holding

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hands with him a welder, millstone around her neck that not only have

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about the country will struggle to live down. Do you not think you is

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likely tone things down during that period is today though? Well, by his

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own standards, yes, he appeared restrained, but what does that mean?

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There is all this new special relationship but can we believe what

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he says? Nope. This is one thing one day and another another day. This

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thing about Nato. It used to be obsolete and now she, that is the

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biggest news today, she managed to say, as you told me, Mr President,

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you told me you were backing Nato 100%. But we haven't heard him say

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this. A lot of the analysts were saying that was perhaps the most

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important thing that was said. The Daily Telegraph with the headline

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their hand-in-hand, the happy couple. Again, the handholding has

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it. Towards the end of the article there, that note that Theresa May

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said that Donald Trump had said he was 100% behind Nato and that hold

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Nato issue has been very much a hot potato. He gave an interview to

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Michael Gove in the Times a couple of weeks ago and said that Nato was

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obsolete. Picking up on a theme that he ran with very strongly in his

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campaign that they basically believe the countries in Nato don't pay

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enough for their defence. Theresa May have gone there and said in this

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press conference that you agreed in our previous meeting that you were

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backing Nato 100% but he didn't say that himself. These words didn't

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come out of the mouth of the president of the United States. He

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had every opportunity to say, yes, I agree with that, but he didn't say

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that. There is a degree of false conflict being drawn that he backs

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Nato 100% because he didn't say it. But earlier and we had a

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British-based republican former adviser who was saying, do you not

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think they discussed he was going to say what before they walked out

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there? That was her view, that it was all carefully stage-managed. It

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looked quite awkward. She was really walking on eggshells and anybody in

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her shoes would. With Donald Trump, the problem is you don't believe

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anything he says. I'm getting the feeling that neither of you are big

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fans at this point. Let me put it to you, if either -- if other European

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leaders had been offered to go first, they would have gone? Well,

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it didn't happen. I'm not sure Angela Merkel would have done

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actually. She doesn't seem desperate, doesn't act as if she is

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desperate and is not desperate. She will be on the frame to him

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tomorrow, so we'll Francois Hollande and so will Vladimir Putin. I do

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hope they don't rush to Washington. They will, along with other world

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leaders, the heartened to hear the 100% support for Nato. And the 100%

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support of Brexit as well, of course. Donald Trump is not a normal

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presidency. The way he conducts himself, the people he has

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appointed, the whole setup is not typical and we simply do not know at

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this stage what a commitment from Donald Trump to something like Nato

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or a Mexican wall, whether this actually means anything. Can we

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trust what he says? Does he even believe or understand what he's

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saying. We could talk about torture. He said he has appointed somebody

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who doesn't believe in torture say we will go with him, but personally

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as the president of the United States, I do think I believe in

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torture. Something we have never heard before. That is something

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which is not normal for the president. It is very difficult to

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judge him by what he says. Playing devils advocate again, we are always

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criticising politicians for not giving their honest opinion. You

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could argue that at least he was being honest about it? I suppose if

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you wanted to burn something positive to say. I am going to

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struggle with you to to get that. It is frightening times. It is almost

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comic, a lot of what is going on but it is also incredibly serious at the

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same time. And quite sad to see Britain playing that card because it

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might really not get them where they wanted to. Time Will Powell on that.

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Let's stay with the same story a different angle -- time will tell on

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that. Let's move to the Financial Times, Trump hands made the promise

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of a stronger special relationship. But also talk about Russia. There is

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to be a phone call tomorrow between Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump. I'd

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love to be a fly on the wall. Absolutely. I'm sure other people

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will be listening in, because the Russian -- if the Russian secret

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service reputation is anything to go by. This is one of the key

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relationships. People talk about Britain and the US but Russia and

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the US, Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump, given all the insinuations

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about compromise, what they might have on Donald Trump himself, how is

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he going to behave towards Russia? If he is friendly towards them, that

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will only add to the sense that he is somehow compromised. But he

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didn't shy away from this very interesting and quite worrying line

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that he has had which is that I don't know Vladimir Putin, I want to

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have a good relationship with him. When the American military and

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diplomatic immunity are very clear that Russia is not a friend of the

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United States. It is a hostile power and that they do not, they think

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there are grave dangers is getting too close. It's like torture. The

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president disagrees with his generals. The big question is

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sanctions. To be fair to Theresa May, I think she did say they are

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sticking with sanctions. She thought held her ground but yesterday in

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Philadelphia she was also saying, we should have a new relationship with

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Russia and its actually the same sound coming from the president

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hopeful in France. If he is elected he is very much in favour of

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changing completely different foreign policy towards Russia, so it

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is not something we haven't heard in different parts of Europe. It is

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something which is gradually taking ground and I see it coming with

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Theresa May. She is trying to hold on to what is British foreign policy

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but it is changing. What do you think we will get out of that call

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or what will we be told to come out of that call? I suspect we won't be

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told a lot of useful information. Except that it is tremendous and

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fantastic. We had the same thing with the Mexican president. It was a

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great conversation, we got on really well. Nothing of substance was

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reported and I suspect it will be a while before we find out about the

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bilateral relationship between Trump and other world leaders. The Mexican

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-- Trump said he cancelled the meeting with the Mexican president,

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making it sound like they both decided it wasn't happening. I

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mentioned it, let's get back onto it and go through it in real-time.

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Brexit. This was going to be very closely looked at, what was said in

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a press conference and the West, by the European press, by the European

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leaders. Agnes, let me start with you. How do you think the other

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European leaders will be viewing what happened today? The thing is,

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what happened today apart from words. Trump said it was the most

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wonderful thing that could happen to Britain. But in terms of trade, do

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we know anything in detail? No, it might be too early. It's the first

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visit. But also his words towards the EU, towards the consortium, I

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mean, he hates the organisation that is the European Union. Will it have

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annoyed, angered, embittered foreign leaders towards the UK? Yes,

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absolutely. Article 50 haven't been triggered and yet Theresa May, the

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British Prime Minister, is rushing, running to Washington in the hope of

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having a trade deal with Trump. Trump says, yes, of course, we'll

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have a tremendous relationship. But it's all wind. It's all

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anti-dash-mac empty words. Britain is still in the European Union as

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far as we know. Would the other European leaders have expected it

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and if the boot was on the other fit, they would have gone? Expected

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a chronology, perhaps. You go after you have officially said, I am

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leaving the European Union and I will therefore start negotiations. I

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think what's really interesting is that for all the handholding, Trump

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did not come out and say, we will definitely do a quick trade deal

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with the UK and we will start negotiating it now. That's not what

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Theresa May and Downing Street would have hoped to have come out of this.

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You think realistically though he might have said something like that?

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With Trump, of course he might have done. You might have had to row back

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on it but he could have done. Someone has got to him and said

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don't go too far on this. We have to get this through Congress, we have

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to speak to the lobbyists in the US to speak to the lobbyists in the US

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about what the terms of this will be. Throw back a bit. I think it's

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interesting. They would have loved to have been able to say, Trump says

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we will definitely do a trade deal but they didn't get that headline.

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With regard to the fact that he doesn't make the laws, it have to go

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through Congress and the British can't start proper trade talks until

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that period has finished, in a sense, a lot of this was for show

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anyway? Of course. It's all about holding hands, you know. I do hope

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he's not going to try holding hands with the Queen. Hopefully he will be

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briefed on that. I mean, this is a pantomime. Isn't it? I mean, that's

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all you get on every single British newspaper. The ministers will be

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delighted seeing it so prominently everywhere. Well, some will be, and

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some will share my view, I suspect, that there is perhaps a very large

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hostage to fortune. If Trump goes down in flames, which is not

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inconceivable given his erratic Hagar in this first week, this could

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look really bad. I don't think Angela Merkel would have held hands

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with Donald Trump. It was interesting, as they were walking

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behind the pillars, those pillars hit quite a lot. We don't know who

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grabbed his hand. It's like the playground. Though back to the

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Telegraph as well, as that has got an interesting angle on that. Inside

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and on page five, Prince Charles talking about Brexit, saying it has

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been given almost a possession status over other important topics,

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most particularly, Christian persecution. He took part in this

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campaign about persecution in the Middle East of questions and he was

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very frustrated, it seems, it seems pretty well sourced, that this

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wasn't picked up by the media. Prince Charles blamed Brexit that it

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wasn't picked up because everyone is obsessed with that. I think it's

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more that the media is obsessed than the British people. One thing you

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can say, he has certainly right about wrong because now it is in the

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media and the report is being talked about and he has got exposure for

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it, so good for him. It is a little talked about subject, the

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persecution of Christians, and it has been said for years, so good on

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him to actually push it almost to the front page. Just briefly if you

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would, this is just the start, is it not? The start of constant headlines

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about Brexit over the next two or so years. Oh, yes, we have had it long

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as the can see. What next with the as the can see. What next with the

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Trump written relationship? Obviously you two are deeply Peta

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Miss -- pessimistic about it. Do you see the wheels falling off in the

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next few days or weeks? Well, they will bid. It's a bit like Brexit,

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it's almost worse than Brexit, because it concentrates all your

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attention. If only we could focus on something else. Well, there we must

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leave it. Thank you very much indeed.

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Don't forget you can see the front pages of the papers online

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It's all there for you, 7 days a week at bbc.co.uk/papers -

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and if you miss the programme any evening, you can watch it

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A big thank you to Agnes and to Ben. Goodbye.

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Good evening. The gradual progression towards milder weather

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has started. But we still had some freezing fog and some ice around

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into this afternoon. Plenty of sunshine around as well, further

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north across

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