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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be


With me are journalist, writer and broadcaster Agnes Poirier


and the Economics Editor of The Independent Ben Chu.


No prizes for guessing the story on all of tomorrow's front


It is the visit to America by Theresa May. Many of the papers show


the picture of Theresa May and double trap holding hands.


Many of the papers show the picture of Donald Trump and Theresa May


holding hands with the words "love at the White House."


The hand holding also features on the Mirror's front page


which describes the meeting as something of a love-in.


The Guardian calls it the new special relationship and suggests


Theresa May has been reassured by President Trump and several key


issues. The Telegraph refers to Donald Trump


and Theresa May as the happy couple who have shown that


opposites attract. The Times signals Trump's praise for


exit and shows him pointing at the bust of Winston Churchill, now


reinstated in the Oval Office. The Independent's headline mentions


President Trump's backing of Brexit and the confirmation Theresa May


said she was given that he backs And the FT regards the meeting


as a success, saying Trump hands May the promise


of 'stronger' special relationship. The Sun has its own


exclusive about three students at Harrow public school


who are believed to have collapsed All right. Let's begin. It was


almost a complete set, wasn't it? Only be sun broke rank with their


front page. Let's start with the Daily Mail and the head line the


love in at the White House. The pictures of the handholding, the arm


around the back and everything. The mood of it was fairly good or were


you not really surprised at all, Agnes, about this? It looks as if


the British press wants us all to blush when actually all I felt was


mortified. The haste in which Theresa May, just after he was


elected, she couldn't get to him on the phone, and actually he was very


quick to meet Nigel Farage on the hub of the British people. Now she


says, thank you so much for having me so soon at the White House and it


sounds so desperate. And indeed, sounds so desperate. And indeed,


is a trade deal now because of is a trade deal now because of


Brexit. So we had of course words about the special relationship but


we've had that for decades if not centuries. I don't know. Then the


's side. She is above all this. So 's side. She is above all this. So


don't bring having. What do you think? You say Brexit but those in


favour of Brexit with a sensible? This is the first full week of


Donald Trump's presidency and by any rational standard it has been a


complete disaster. Any hope that he would become more presidential,


become more restraint have been out the window. Talking about trade


wars, insulting people, relations breaking down all over the place.


Pathological lying has come through. Then for the British Prime Minister


had to go here and as Agnes says tries to be depressed of this man is


a very high risk minibar. -- tries to be the best friend of this man.


If he carried on in this vein, these pictures of Theresa May holding


hands with him a welder, millstone around her neck that not only have


about the country will struggle to live down. Do you not think you is


likely tone things down during that period is today though? Well, by his


own standards, yes, he appeared restrained, but what does that mean?


There is all this new special relationship but can we believe what


he says? Nope. This is one thing one day and another another day. This


thing about Nato. It used to be obsolete and now she, that is the


biggest news today, she managed to say, as you told me, Mr President,


you told me you were backing Nato 100%. But we haven't heard him say


this. A lot of the analysts were saying that was perhaps the most


important thing that was said. The Daily Telegraph with the headline


their hand-in-hand, the happy couple. Again, the handholding has


it. Towards the end of the article there, that note that Theresa May


said that Donald Trump had said he was 100% behind Nato and that hold


Nato issue has been very much a hot potato. He gave an interview to


Michael Gove in the Times a couple of weeks ago and said that Nato was


obsolete. Picking up on a theme that he ran with very strongly in his


campaign that they basically believe the countries in Nato don't pay


enough for their defence. Theresa May have gone there and said in this


press conference that you agreed in our previous meeting that you were


backing Nato 100% but he didn't say that himself. These words didn't


come out of the mouth of the president of the United States. He


had every opportunity to say, yes, I agree with that, but he didn't say


that. There is a degree of false conflict being drawn that he backs


Nato 100% because he didn't say it. But earlier and we had a


British-based republican former adviser who was saying, do you not


think they discussed he was going to say what before they walked out


there? That was her view, that it was all carefully stage-managed. It


looked quite awkward. She was really walking on eggshells and anybody in


her shoes would. With Donald Trump, the problem is you don't believe


anything he says. I'm getting the feeling that neither of you are big


fans at this point. Let me put it to you, if either -- if other European


leaders had been offered to go first, they would have gone? Well,


it didn't happen. I'm not sure Angela Merkel would have done


actually. She doesn't seem desperate, doesn't act as if she is


desperate and is not desperate. She will be on the frame to him


tomorrow, so we'll Francois Hollande and so will Vladimir Putin. I do


hope they don't rush to Washington. They will, along with other world


leaders, the heartened to hear the 100% support for Nato. And the 100%


support of Brexit as well, of course. Donald Trump is not a normal


presidency. The way he conducts himself, the people he has


appointed, the whole setup is not typical and we simply do not know at


this stage what a commitment from Donald Trump to something like Nato


or a Mexican wall, whether this actually means anything. Can we


trust what he says? Does he even believe or understand what he's


saying. We could talk about torture. He said he has appointed somebody


who doesn't believe in torture say we will go with him, but personally


as the president of the United States, I do think I believe in


torture. Something we have never heard before. That is something


which is not normal for the president. It is very difficult to


judge him by what he says. Playing devils advocate again, we are always


criticising politicians for not giving their honest opinion. You


could argue that at least he was being honest about it? I suppose if


you wanted to burn something positive to say. I am going to


struggle with you to to get that. It is frightening times. It is almost


comic, a lot of what is going on but it is also incredibly serious at the


same time. And quite sad to see Britain playing that card because it


might really not get them where they wanted to. Time Will Powell on that.


Let's stay with the same story a different angle -- time will tell on


that. Let's move to the Financial Times, Trump hands made the promise


of a stronger special relationship. But also talk about Russia. There is


to be a phone call tomorrow between Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump. I'd


love to be a fly on the wall. Absolutely. I'm sure other people


will be listening in, because the Russian -- if the Russian secret


service reputation is anything to go by. This is one of the key


relationships. People talk about Britain and the US but Russia and


the US, Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump, given all the insinuations


about compromise, what they might have on Donald Trump himself, how is


he going to behave towards Russia? If he is friendly towards them, that


will only add to the sense that he is somehow compromised. But he


didn't shy away from this very interesting and quite worrying line


that he has had which is that I don't know Vladimir Putin, I want to


have a good relationship with him. When the American military and


diplomatic immunity are very clear that Russia is not a friend of the


United States. It is a hostile power and that they do not, they think


there are grave dangers is getting too close. It's like torture. The


president disagrees with his generals. The big question is


sanctions. To be fair to Theresa May, I think she did say they are


sticking with sanctions. She thought held her ground but yesterday in


Philadelphia she was also saying, we should have a new relationship with


Russia and its actually the same sound coming from the president


hopeful in France. If he is elected he is very much in favour of


changing completely different foreign policy towards Russia, so it


is not something we haven't heard in different parts of Europe. It is


something which is gradually taking ground and I see it coming with


Theresa May. She is trying to hold on to what is British foreign policy


but it is changing. What do you think we will get out of that call


or what will we be told to come out of that call? I suspect we won't be


told a lot of useful information. Except that it is tremendous and


fantastic. We had the same thing with the Mexican president. It was a


great conversation, we got on really well. Nothing of substance was


reported and I suspect it will be a while before we find out about the


bilateral relationship between Trump and other world leaders. The Mexican


-- Trump said he cancelled the meeting with the Mexican president,


making it sound like they both decided it wasn't happening. I


mentioned it, let's get back onto it and go through it in real-time.


Brexit. This was going to be very closely looked at, what was said in


a press conference and the West, by the European press, by the European


leaders. Agnes, let me start with you. How do you think the other


European leaders will be viewing what happened today? The thing is,


what happened today apart from words. Trump said it was the most


wonderful thing that could happen to Britain. But in terms of trade, do


we know anything in detail? No, it might be too early. It's the first


visit. But also his words towards the EU, towards the consortium, I


mean, he hates the organisation that is the European Union. Will it have


annoyed, angered, embittered foreign leaders towards the UK? Yes,


absolutely. Article 50 haven't been triggered and yet Theresa May, the


British Prime Minister, is rushing, running to Washington in the hope of


having a trade deal with Trump. Trump says, yes, of course, we'll


have a tremendous relationship. But it's all wind. It's all


anti-dash-mac empty words. Britain is still in the European Union as


far as we know. Would the other European leaders have expected it


and if the boot was on the other fit, they would have gone? Expected


a chronology, perhaps. You go after you have officially said, I am


leaving the European Union and I will therefore start negotiations. I


think what's really interesting is that for all the handholding, Trump


did not come out and say, we will definitely do a quick trade deal


with the UK and we will start negotiating it now. That's not what


Theresa May and Downing Street would have hoped to have come out of this.


You think realistically though he might have said something like that?


With Trump, of course he might have done. You might have had to row back


on it but he could have done. Someone has got to him and said


don't go too far on this. We have to get this through Congress, we have


to speak to the lobbyists in the US to speak to the lobbyists in the US


about what the terms of this will be. Throw back a bit. I think it's


interesting. They would have loved to have been able to say, Trump says


we will definitely do a trade deal but they didn't get that headline.


With regard to the fact that he doesn't make the laws, it have to go


through Congress and the British can't start proper trade talks until


that period has finished, in a sense, a lot of this was for show


anyway? Of course. It's all about holding hands, you know. I do hope


he's not going to try holding hands with the Queen. Hopefully he will be


briefed on that. I mean, this is a pantomime. Isn't it? I mean, that's


all you get on every single British newspaper. The ministers will be


delighted seeing it so prominently everywhere. Well, some will be, and


some will share my view, I suspect, that there is perhaps a very large


hostage to fortune. If Trump goes down in flames, which is not


inconceivable given his erratic Hagar in this first week, this could


look really bad. I don't think Angela Merkel would have held hands


with Donald Trump. It was interesting, as they were walking


behind the pillars, those pillars hit quite a lot. We don't know who


grabbed his hand. It's like the playground. Though back to the


Telegraph as well, as that has got an interesting angle on that. Inside


and on page five, Prince Charles talking about Brexit, saying it has


been given almost a possession status over other important topics,


most particularly, Christian persecution. He took part in this


campaign about persecution in the Middle East of questions and he was


very frustrated, it seems, it seems pretty well sourced, that this


wasn't picked up by the media. Prince Charles blamed Brexit that it


wasn't picked up because everyone is obsessed with that. I think it's


more that the media is obsessed than the British people. One thing you


can say, he has certainly right about wrong because now it is in the


media and the report is being talked about and he has got exposure for


it, so good for him. It is a little talked about subject, the


persecution of Christians, and it has been said for years, so good on


him to actually push it almost to the front page. Just briefly if you


would, this is just the start, is it not? The start of constant headlines


about Brexit over the next two or so years. Oh, yes, we have had it long


as the can see. What next with the as the can see. What next with the


Trump written relationship? Obviously you two are deeply Peta


Miss -- pessimistic about it. Do you see the wheels falling off in the


next few days or weeks? Well, they will bid. It's a bit like Brexit,


it's almost worse than Brexit, because it concentrates all your


attention. If only we could focus on something else. Well, there we must


leave it. Thank you very much indeed.


Don't forget you can see the front pages of the papers online


It's all there for you, 7 days a week at bbc.co.uk/papers -


and if you miss the programme any evening, you can watch it


A big thank you to Agnes and to Ben. Goodbye.


Good evening. The gradual progression towards milder weather


has started. But we still had some freezing fog and some ice around


into this afternoon. Plenty of sunshine around as well, further


north across