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We'll be taking a look at tomorrow morning's papers in a moment,


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Hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be


With me are Martin Bentham, home affairs editor


at the Evening Standard, and the journalist and


A quick look, before that, at some of tomorrow's front


The Observer, which leads with Global Fury in reaction


to Donald Trump's immigration ban preventing people from seven


mainly Muslim countries from entering the United States.


The Express says Prince William and Harry are to unveil a statue


of Princess Diana in the grounds of Kensington Palace to mark


The Daily Mail reports that NHS doctors have been advised not


to call pregnant women "mothers" because it might offend


The Telegraph leads with comments from the Northern Ireland Secretary,


James Brokenshire, who tells the paper the system


for investigating murders committed during the Troubles


Let's begin. Let's start with the story that is an ongoing story that


we will be speaking about for days and weeks to come, I think.


President Trump's ban on migrants and on refugees. Global Fury,


Martin. And I think that sums up the reaction by and large? Yes,


obviously lots and lots of denunciation of this policy which


clearly is rather distasteful, and I think misguided as well. Quite where


it goes from here, it will go on for days and days, and obviously the


policy is meant to last for 90 days, a part of that 120 days, for


refugees, and possibly longer than that. Clearly there will be


developments in the coming days in terms of potential challengers. I


expect clarification actually from the US administration about green


card holders, some of the big corporations like Google and


Facebook already expressing concern about some of their employees who I


am sure generally speaking the US government would like to still see


in the country and so on, being affected, because there will be all


sorts of unforeseen consequences, family members and so on. So, yes,


this will continue for a long time. Clearly it has an awful lot of


attacks because it is clearly discriminatory against a group,


certain groups, people, and seems to be based on no real evidence, to be


frank. The Observer, Rachel, speaks about several cases... Yazidi woman


who fled an IS massacre in Iraq in 2014 being stopped from boarding a


flight in Baghdad after waiting for months to be reunited with her


husband already in the US. Presumably these stories will


multiply in the next few days. To be clear, these measures... It is


absolutely cruel, and absolute cruelty, and it has caused chaos and


heartbreak. Some half a million people in the last decade from those


countries on the list have been given green cards in the US. They


have lives in the US, they have families, jobs, houses. They might


happen to be overseas at this time and are now wondering whether they


can go home to their lives, families, everything. It is


unimaginable, the horror and despair that would cause those people, so of


course it has been condemned. Although, interestingly, not by


Theresa May. Even though it has now transpired it is going to affect


British citizens who either have dual nationality or where it seems


just been born in one of those countries is enough, so it is


absolutely despicable and craven of our Prime Minister, I think, do not


speak out against something that is very clearly racial discrimination


and is now affecting British citizens as well. Martin, did


Theresa May have an alternative in terms of the way she should have


addressed this? She was asked about her attitude to President Trump 's


palsy, and she simply said the US and the UK has separate policies --


Trump's policy. I think in general countries do not Express opinions


about the country's domestic policies, that is the general


principle. Obviously when they become extreme and a portent it can


be an exception. I think she will have to speak not least in


Parliament on Monday, she comes to give a statement about the visit


with President Trump I suspect this shall be raised then -- when they


become extreme and abhorrent. For British people affected by this, she


will potentially speak about that. I think she has made a decision that


she cannot every time she appears be questioned about the latest Trump


policy, no doubt there are going to be more of those. There is no way


that kind of calculation can hold. She should never have bound her feet


so closely with him to begin with. The Observer is to be commended, I


think, for putting this comment on its front page. Interestingly, it is


the only one with the story on the front page. The US president in his


first week has proved he is like nothing that has gone before. He is


ignorant, prejudiced and vicious in a way that no American leader has


been. I think that is the point. It is a very extreme situation. This is


not a normal president. This is quite blatantly racial


discrimination. Sorry, religious discrimination. And we saw it coming


down the line... I will bring Martin in quickly. I think she was right to


go and meet him because unfortunately we have to work with


what is there in the White House and there is no point shouting from the


sidelines, so I can understand why she went. Obviously it is a


problematic position to do so in one sense because it is high risk and


that risk will continue. I think in terms of the papers actually the


reason for that is that some papers will make a political decision not


to do it, perhaps, and others will simply think that story has been all


over the broadcast news today, we want to give our readers something


different that will make them pick up the paper tomorrow. That might be


the right or wrong decision but I am sure the Mail on Sunday, for


example, has a very good story, and I am sure... You think it was


commercially rather than politically driven? In some cases I think it


will be commercial rather than political. Let me stop that for a


moment and turn to another Donald Trump story on the front page of the


Sunday Express. Officials feel there could be a diplomatic row when


President Trump comes on his state visit later this year between him


and the Royal family. An intriguing story, actually, when you look at


the details. The clashes there might be between him and various members


of the family... He will probably turn up and be a complete poodle, in


fact, because he will be delighted to be in that environment. But you


are right, with some of the detail... The top line of that you


would think, obviously Prince Charles being a committed


environmentalist, President Trump being a climate change denier, that


is the sort of top line of the potential clash, but there is more


to it than that. Prince Harry, who apparently had a close relationship


or was... Had close bond the former first Lady Michelle Obama, is weary


of President Trump, who once bragged he would have had sex with President


Diana -- Princess Diana, apparently. And obviously you will not take


kindly to the fact President Trump tweeted about Kate being


photographed topless, in unsavoury terms, William will not be happy


about that. Interesting things in the next. It will be interesting to


see who does meet him when he comes. I suspect when they meet there will


not be any great clashes because they all know there roles, and


although Trump can be very maverick, clearly, I think he will behave


himself in front of the Royal family. But whilst Prince Charles


has refused to meet the Chinese on numerous occasions in the past, and


whether Princes Harry and Prince William decide they have numerous


other things to do and cannot be there... That might be... And what


President Trump can be persuaded to say on Twitter afterwards as well,


because there is protocol that you do not report on what is being said


during Royal conversations. Someone will have to just take his phone


away. Let's return to the Observer, potential for a grassroots Labour


revolt over Brexit. This organised by a grassroots group? It is


basically saying the MPs... Some people have resigned from the Shadow


Cabinet since Jeremy Corbyn posed his three line whip saying members


had to vote triggering Article 50, that there is grassroots group of


members supporting that stands of people saying they cannot vote for


Brexit, and I suppose the interesting there is that Corbyn has


always been sustained, not by the parliamentary party, but by his


support at the grassroots level, so there is a suggestion, only a very


vague suggestion, that that might change or be changing a little as a


result of this Article 50 three line whip. Whether it comes down to that,


I don't know, or whether it is something that blows over in two


weeks' time when the vote goes through, and I suspect that is more


likely to be the case, that it will be a temporary problem, because most


of the grassroots still seem to support his brand of Labour


politics. Rachel, what do you make of it? It is a horrible situation


for the Labour Party, because as you say given the composition of their


voters and their base, and Labour cannot really be seen to be


thwarting a democratic vote to leave, but I think, and this is


possibly where the readership has not been clear -- leadership. It now


has a lot of space to negotiate the kind of Brexit we are going to have,


which is after all the job of Parliament and not just the


Government, and I think maybe it has not been forceful enough about what


its red lines are in that regard, and had it been, it might have not


alienate it its base in the way this piece suggests. I am not sure they


have much ability to negotiate and dictate the terms. I am not sure


this debate on Article 50, this bill, will lead to that in reality.


It might not this particular bill, but the next two years... I will cut


you both off for the next stories. Front page of the Mail, very strange


story coming quite left-field compared to the others. Doctors have


been told not to call pregnant patients mothers. How can that be?


Because some of them might be men. Sorry, women who are changing.


Transgender. Women who are transgender. But this comes from the


BMA, according to the Mail. This, talking about what is on the front


page, great story. Do not call pregnant women and mothers, it seems


absolutely crazy, and of course you can understand the logic, not


wanting to offend or upset if it were too upset somebody in that


situation, but the likelihood of that, I think, is minuscule, I would


have thought. Maybe I am wrong. Guest... It just seems to be, the


Mail obviously, just being nonsensical, really, their take on


it. It is a shame. Gone off on what they call the relentless march of


transgender political correctness and they have had a go at the


traffic lights in central London which I have to say I really like,


they always make me smile in Trafalgar Square, this assortment of


gay, lesbian and transgender symbols and couples. Quite confusing trying


to work out what they mean. Sadiq Khan's bid to show how open and a


diverse and tolerant Londoners. There is nothing wrong with that,


all a good thing in general. I think when you try to pretend that the


9.9% of people who in this case are going to be mothers, women and so on


-- Corbyn. It is quite a hard one to explain. Thank you very much. We


will have another one through. Thank you, Martin and Rachel -


you'll both be back at 11:30 for another look at the stories


making the news tomorrow.