12/02/2017 The Papers

Hello and welcome to our look at the Sunday papers.

With me are the broadcaster and journalist Shyama Peireria,

and Peter Conradi, who's foreign editor at the Sunday Times.

First up the Observer, it's reporting what it calls

"unprecedented criticism" by a group of leading retired bishops over

the Church of England's stance on lesbian, gay

While the Mail on Sunday looks back at a supposed exchange

between Diane Abbott and the Brexit secretary David Davis,

that's said to have happened after the vote to trigger

The Sunday Telegraph focuses on Commons speaker John Bercow

and his controversial comments about Donald Trump's visit,

also mentioning there that the President may go to areas

of the UK that voted heavily to leave the EU.

The Sunday Express is also looking ahead to that visit and says

Mr Trump will "speak to the people" at a stadium rally with the proceeds

Domestic politics take the lead in the Sunday Times,

it says secret succession planning is under way for the next Labour

Thank you both very much indeed for joining us. Let's start with that

story which makes it to quite a few papers, speculating about what is

going to happen on Donald Trump's visit. We're hearing on the front

page of the Sunday Telegraph that he is going to head to the leave

heartland which we know as the Midlands. Exactly. It's great, isn't

it? He's thinking that what we in the House of Commons, where can I

go? What's more trompe like than a big stadium in the Midlands? It'll

be interesting to see what reception he gets. It isn't unprecedented for

a state visit to break out of London and speak in a stadium. No, the

Indian leader came and addressed a rally in Wembley Stadium and Cameron

came on stage at the end of it, so there is the president. It seems

curious and at a rally by Donald Trump will be curious. Will Theresa

May come on at the end with the final icing on the cake? They seem

to be worried about having Donald Trump in London. What makes me laugh

is they haven't done the homework because the West Midlands is the

heartland of Asian populations and black populations, and what was so

surprising is that these strong Labour strongholds all voted leave

but they are still Labour strongholds, they are quite

open-minded people who, for whatever reason, chose to vote to leave. He's

going to have a lot of trouble filling stadiums unless turkeys

aren't going to vote for Christmas by going to support a man who's

going to ban people who look like them. All these people will come

down to this stadium and have the Toronto case, they will start

talking in tongues after seeing Mr Trump! You can't imagine it. Once

they've finished there, they will be passing out at the alter while he is

speaking. A lot of people will come along to hear him for the novelty

value. To see this extraordinary phenomenon in the flesh would be...

I think it would be fascinating. Lots of people will turn out to

protest, it will turn into a huge event. The best way of protesting

would be to not turn up, not buy tickets and not be there because the

fewer people there are, the less of a story it is. If he does speak in

the West Midlands, assuming you're against Donald Trump and not

everyone knows, it strikes me the best thing to do is not to go at

all. It is very good cause, you see. The proceeds will go to the Poppy

appeal. Are you saying the British Legion will say we will take your

money? I don't think so, dream on! That's the story the Sunday Express

has. President plans spectacular UK rally to help war veterans. Donald

Trump will snub parliament, interesting to see which way round

that might work. All the proceeds will go to the Poppy appeal. It is

going to be hugely controversial, isn't it? Before we get carried

away, this story is in two papers, it is thinly sourced, a lot of

anonymous people not making very clear what and where we're getting

this story from so let's see what happens. Our veterans are veterans

because they fought against people who had policy similar to those

mooted by Donald Trump and I don't think they'll be wanting his money.

You suspect, though, the team in Downing Street, having rushed out

this invitation to Donald Trump rather swiftly compared to those

other US presidents, and he is hugely controversial since the ban

which is in trouble in the US courts, you suspect Downing Street

are going to be working overtime to work out how on earth this visit

will work without it becoming too hugely controversial. Exactly. As

you see when Theresa May went over to the States recently, the offer of

a state visit at such an early stage in the relationship, you can

understand with Grexit looming we are looking for friends, and there

is a desperate need to ingratiate ourselves. He's already having to

backtrack on every single policy that he has raised. He's had to

accept one China, he's had to go back on the Muslim ban. By then, he

might be lying on the floor of the White House weeping into his Twitter

feed, unable to function. Who knows. Wishful thinking, I think. The

Sunday Telegraph has this story about hackers targeting our kettles.

The alarming prospect that somebody might find out what time I'm making

my cup of tea in the morning. It is alarming stuff. It is fridges,

driverless cars, what will be next? Bread makers, cappuccino machines?

God knows. Underlying this, there is a serious point. This is all about

the Security Centre opening up in GCHQ. One of the fears is with the

Internet of things, all these appliances in the home that connect

to the Internet, there are ways of getting into these devices from afar

and turning them around and harnessing all this computing power

to attack websites, to bring down websites. On a serious note, we have

seen this happen with the Russians involved in attacks on Estonia, in

Ukraine also, which, ridiculous as this sounds, you can actually bring

down websites and do serious damage. This whole issue of cyber security

is quite a serious one. There was an attack on a French TV station last

year. I have to say whenever we're talking about terrorist attacks

anywhere in the West, I always think what they have to do is bring down

the National Grid, isn't it? We were having this conversation outside

where we said all you need to do is randomly attack people in cars. Not

driverless cars but smart cars. You are on Bluetooth, so your car can be

hacked into. If you did ten random people in a major city, it would be

chaos. We're not giving people ideas here! That is the way of the future.

Of course, the other more immediate future preoccupying everybody is

Brexit. The Daily Mail has gone to town... I can say this is the

biggest confrontation wincing over Brexit but this was David Davis, the

minister in charge of the Brexit process, and his meeting with Diane

Abbott after the big vote. Which everybody said was a kiss. And the

Mail on Sunday has finally got the truth which, apparently is that

David David went to whisper and Diane Abbott's year after she voted

to trigger an Article 50, thanks for your support. It may have looked

like he was kissing her but he was saying thanks for your support. That

was why she said expletive off to him because she was furious. And she

was following blindly Jeromy. So it was the wrong Piper coming to thank

her for playing the tune. It sounds like an extraordinary altercation

because Diane Abbott had missed a previous vote and a lot of her

colleagues were accused her of having Grexit flew because she never

really wanted to vote the Brexit, then she felt she had to because the

Labour leader was urging her to. It is the minute -- malady you get over

quickly. It is such a trivial story. Is there nothing else happening in

the world all week for the Mail on Sunday to lead on whether or not

David Davis tried to give Diane Abbott a hug? It has been a big

thing on Twitter, accusing him of sexism. What I think is interesting

is that polarisation, where the idea that somebody who is a Tory can't

kiss somebody who is Labour... I'm sure if it was Michael Portillo, she

would've said fine. I'm sure when her son was in the city of London

School, plenty of MPs at parents evening probably kissed her so it

was fine. The question is have we got the stage where we can't even

kiss someone who doesn't think the as you? The texts seem to have been

the rocketry of Diane Abbott. This is just the Twitter effect, put a

nonsense. Maybe I'm old-fashioned. A couple more stories. Not on the

front page of the Sunday Times but looking at Samantha Cameron's new

role. She is now focusing on her fashion label. Her husband is

dealing with the childcare. This is great, splashed all over the Sunday

Times today and in the style section. It is a launch with

Samantha Cameron's clothing range. It gives us an insight into life at

the Camerons, which, according to this account, appears to be exactly

as you'd imagine it to be. He's saying all the things... He's

spending more time with the children before, they are loving it. She

comes in the evening and says, I don't think I can do this, darling.

He says, come on, glass of wine, you can do it. It is very

upper-middle-class, it delict of life. I think it is lovely, it is

very posh and Becks. She is now going into fashion so now will

probably have letters from David Cameron saying, why wasn't I made

Sir or Lord! I think this is great. It is a great reversal of roles. I

think it is completely all right for one partner to step back while the

other partner is making their name. And then for that to happen in

reverse. I think a wash and go collection from this mother... Is it

wash and go? Nothing you have to iron, apparently. Also what I like

anyway is just that she is coming into her own. She was raising four

children all the time... Obviously, they lost one, sadly, but all the

time he was a Number Ten, so this is a woman who was on the edge, you

know? Good for her. And she had to fulfil that almost impossible role

of Prime minister's wife because it is very difficult to get that one

right. It is. It is like being a minor royal. If you don't do

something or nothing, you get blamed for it. If you have some alternative

career, you are cashing in. Good luck to her. Let's see what Mr may

does, can't wait to see what he does next. Let's have a look at the

Sunday people. I'll sue Lotto after ?1 million win. I was too young to

scoop the jackpot and my life is ruined! Huge sympathy for this

woman. This is an extraordinary story. This is a play on money

changed my way of life. It has. And we have this wonderful story of what

does she do with the money? She won at 17, she bought an ?18,000 purple

range Rover. What else? Lots of parties in upmarket places, holidays

and so on. But she isn't happy. She thinks boyfriends are after her for

her money, friends are treating her in a different way. She just says

you should have a higher age limit on it because getting a tad 17, you

haven't got a clue and it can ruin her life, which she claims it has

because she can only go to upmarket resorts. But it comes after a spat

in McDonalds. So she's obviously eating with the rest of us. I'm sure

all of us have had those conversations, what would you do if

you ?1 million? We talk about the lovely time we'd have. If you've

gone from a situation where you have very little and then you have huge

pressure on you, everyone is expecting you to donate to their

good cause or by the drinks, quite be difficult adjustment make. It's

obvious it transforms your life. She was coming from not a wealthy

background, living on a council estate in Edinburgh. To have all

this money, the positive side is, buried in here, she has bought two

flats with the money, she's got a new home for herself. It hasn't gone

completely wrong for her. It is important to just create a

framework, I think, for the young. And she must continue buying tickets

because it pays for our heritage and our arts. Thank you both, Peter

Conradi and Shyama Peireria. Thank you for talking is through the

Sunday papers. York Minster's own police forces

been given the same power of arrest as regular constables within the

cathedral and its boundaries. York Minster is only one of five

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