12/02/2017 The Papers


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Hello and welcome to our look at the Sunday papers.


With me are the broadcaster and journalist Shyama Peireria,


and Peter Conradi, who's foreign editor at the Sunday Times.


First up the Observer, it's reporting what it calls


"unprecedented criticism" by a group of leading retired bishops over


the Church of England's stance on lesbian, gay


While the Mail on Sunday looks back at a supposed exchange


between Diane Abbott and the Brexit secretary David Davis,


that's said to have happened after the vote to trigger


The Sunday Telegraph focuses on Commons speaker John Bercow


and his controversial comments about Donald Trump's visit,


also mentioning there that the President may go to areas


of the UK that voted heavily to leave the EU.


The Sunday Express is also looking ahead to that visit and says


Mr Trump will "speak to the people" at a stadium rally with the proceeds


Domestic politics take the lead in the Sunday Times,


it says secret succession planning is under way for the next Labour


Thank you both very much indeed for joining us. Let's start with that


story which makes it to quite a few papers, speculating about what is


going to happen on Donald Trump's visit. We're hearing on the front


page of the Sunday Telegraph that he is going to head to the leave


heartland which we know as the Midlands. Exactly. It's great, isn't


it? He's thinking that what we in the House of Commons, where can I


go? What's more trompe like than a big stadium in the Midlands? It'll


be interesting to see what reception he gets. It isn't unprecedented for


a state visit to break out of London and speak in a stadium. No, the


Indian leader came and addressed a rally in Wembley Stadium and Cameron


came on stage at the end of it, so there is the president. It seems


curious and at a rally by Donald Trump will be curious. Will Theresa


May come on at the end with the final icing on the cake? They seem


to be worried about having Donald Trump in London. What makes me laugh


is they haven't done the homework because the West Midlands is the


heartland of Asian populations and black populations, and what was so


surprising is that these strong Labour strongholds all voted leave


but they are still Labour strongholds, they are quite


open-minded people who, for whatever reason, chose to vote to leave. He's


going to have a lot of trouble filling stadiums unless turkeys


aren't going to vote for Christmas by going to support a man who's


going to ban people who look like them. All these people will come


down to this stadium and have the Toronto case, they will start


talking in tongues after seeing Mr Trump! You can't imagine it. Once


they've finished there, they will be passing out at the alter while he is


speaking. A lot of people will come along to hear him for the novelty


value. To see this extraordinary phenomenon in the flesh would be...


I think it would be fascinating. Lots of people will turn out to


protest, it will turn into a huge event. The best way of protesting


would be to not turn up, not buy tickets and not be there because the


fewer people there are, the less of a story it is. If he does speak in


the West Midlands, assuming you're against Donald Trump and not


everyone knows, it strikes me the best thing to do is not to go at


all. It is very good cause, you see. The proceeds will go to the Poppy


appeal. Are you saying the British Legion will say we will take your


money? I don't think so, dream on! That's the story the Sunday Express


has. President plans spectacular UK rally to help war veterans. Donald


Trump will snub parliament, interesting to see which way round


that might work. All the proceeds will go to the Poppy appeal. It is


going to be hugely controversial, isn't it? Before we get carried


away, this story is in two papers, it is thinly sourced, a lot of


anonymous people not making very clear what and where we're getting


this story from so let's see what happens. Our veterans are veterans


because they fought against people who had policy similar to those


mooted by Donald Trump and I don't think they'll be wanting his money.


You suspect, though, the team in Downing Street, having rushed out


this invitation to Donald Trump rather swiftly compared to those


other US presidents, and he is hugely controversial since the ban


which is in trouble in the US courts, you suspect Downing Street


are going to be working overtime to work out how on earth this visit


will work without it becoming too hugely controversial. Exactly. As


you see when Theresa May went over to the States recently, the offer of


a state visit at such an early stage in the relationship, you can


understand with Grexit looming we are looking for friends, and there


is a desperate need to ingratiate ourselves. He's already having to


backtrack on every single policy that he has raised. He's had to


accept one China, he's had to go back on the Muslim ban. By then, he


might be lying on the floor of the White House weeping into his Twitter


feed, unable to function. Who knows. Wishful thinking, I think. The


Sunday Telegraph has this story about hackers targeting our kettles.


The alarming prospect that somebody might find out what time I'm making


my cup of tea in the morning. It is alarming stuff. It is fridges,


driverless cars, what will be next? Bread makers, cappuccino machines?


God knows. Underlying this, there is a serious point. This is all about


the Security Centre opening up in GCHQ. One of the fears is with the


Internet of things, all these appliances in the home that connect


to the Internet, there are ways of getting into these devices from afar


and turning them around and harnessing all this computing power


to attack websites, to bring down websites. On a serious note, we have


seen this happen with the Russians involved in attacks on Estonia, in


Ukraine also, which, ridiculous as this sounds, you can actually bring


down websites and do serious damage. This whole issue of cyber security


is quite a serious one. There was an attack on a French TV station last


year. I have to say whenever we're talking about terrorist attacks


anywhere in the West, I always think what they have to do is bring down


the National Grid, isn't it? We were having this conversation outside


where we said all you need to do is randomly attack people in cars. Not


driverless cars but smart cars. You are on Bluetooth, so your car can be


hacked into. If you did ten random people in a major city, it would be


chaos. We're not giving people ideas here! That is the way of the future.


Of course, the other more immediate future preoccupying everybody is


Brexit. The Daily Mail has gone to town... I can say this is the


biggest confrontation wincing over Brexit but this was David Davis, the


minister in charge of the Brexit process, and his meeting with Diane


Abbott after the big vote. Which everybody said was a kiss. And the


Mail on Sunday has finally got the truth which, apparently is that


David David went to whisper and Diane Abbott's year after she voted


to trigger an Article 50, thanks for your support. It may have looked


like he was kissing her but he was saying thanks for your support. That


was why she said expletive off to him because she was furious. And she


was following blindly Jeromy. So it was the wrong Piper coming to thank


her for playing the tune. It sounds like an extraordinary altercation


because Diane Abbott had missed a previous vote and a lot of her


colleagues were accused her of having Grexit flew because she never


really wanted to vote the Brexit, then she felt she had to because the


Labour leader was urging her to. It is the minute -- malady you get over


quickly. It is such a trivial story. Is there nothing else happening in


the world all week for the Mail on Sunday to lead on whether or not


David Davis tried to give Diane Abbott a hug? It has been a big


thing on Twitter, accusing him of sexism. What I think is interesting


is that polarisation, where the idea that somebody who is a Tory can't


kiss somebody who is Labour... I'm sure if it was Michael Portillo, she


would've said fine. I'm sure when her son was in the city of London


School, plenty of MPs at parents evening probably kissed her so it


was fine. The question is have we got the stage where we can't even


kiss someone who doesn't think the as you? The texts seem to have been


the rocketry of Diane Abbott. This is just the Twitter effect, put a


nonsense. Maybe I'm old-fashioned. A couple more stories. Not on the


front page of the Sunday Times but looking at Samantha Cameron's new


role. She is now focusing on her fashion label. Her husband is


dealing with the childcare. This is great, splashed all over the Sunday


Times today and in the style section. It is a launch with


Samantha Cameron's clothing range. It gives us an insight into life at


the Camerons, which, according to this account, appears to be exactly


as you'd imagine it to be. He's saying all the things... He's


spending more time with the children before, they are loving it. She


comes in the evening and says, I don't think I can do this, darling.


He says, come on, glass of wine, you can do it. It is very


upper-middle-class, it delict of life. I think it is lovely, it is


very posh and Becks. She is now going into fashion so now will


probably have letters from David Cameron saying, why wasn't I made


Sir or Lord! I think this is great. It is a great reversal of roles. I


think it is completely all right for one partner to step back while the


other partner is making their name. And then for that to happen in


reverse. I think a wash and go collection from this mother... Is it


wash and go? Nothing you have to iron, apparently. Also what I like


anyway is just that she is coming into her own. She was raising four


children all the time... Obviously, they lost one, sadly, but all the


time he was a Number Ten, so this is a woman who was on the edge, you


know? Good for her. And she had to fulfil that almost impossible role


of Prime minister's wife because it is very difficult to get that one


right. It is. It is like being a minor royal. If you don't do


something or nothing, you get blamed for it. If you have some alternative


career, you are cashing in. Good luck to her. Let's see what Mr may


does, can't wait to see what he does next. Let's have a look at the


Sunday people. I'll sue Lotto after ?1 million win. I was too young to


scoop the jackpot and my life is ruined! Huge sympathy for this


woman. This is an extraordinary story. This is a play on money


changed my way of life. It has. And we have this wonderful story of what


does she do with the money? She won at 17, she bought an ?18,000 purple


range Rover. What else? Lots of parties in upmarket places, holidays


and so on. But she isn't happy. She thinks boyfriends are after her for


her money, friends are treating her in a different way. She just says


you should have a higher age limit on it because getting a tad 17, you


haven't got a clue and it can ruin her life, which she claims it has


because she can only go to upmarket resorts. But it comes after a spat


in McDonalds. So she's obviously eating with the rest of us. I'm sure


all of us have had those conversations, what would you do if


you ?1 million? We talk about the lovely time we'd have. If you've


gone from a situation where you have very little and then you have huge


pressure on you, everyone is expecting you to donate to their


good cause or by the drinks, quite be difficult adjustment make. It's


obvious it transforms your life. She was coming from not a wealthy


background, living on a council estate in Edinburgh. To have all


this money, the positive side is, buried in here, she has bought two


flats with the money, she's got a new home for herself. It hasn't gone


completely wrong for her. It is important to just create a


framework, I think, for the young. And she must continue buying tickets


because it pays for our heritage and our arts. Thank you both, Peter


Conradi and Shyama Peireria. Thank you for talking is through the


Sunday papers. York Minster's own police forces


been given the same power of arrest as regular constables within the


cathedral and its boundaries. York Minster is only one of five


cathedrals in the world


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