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Cullen, on the novel for young readers, we come apart, which they

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roped together. Hello and welcome to our look ahead

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to what the the papers will be With me are Caroline Frost,

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entertainment editor at The Huffington Post UK,

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and Tony Grew, Alongside a picture of the Duke

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and Duchess of Cambridge arriving at the Baftas the Telegraph quotes

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the Justice Secretary Liz Truss as saying "wicked" offenders

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won't be released early in order The Express says there's fury

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at a new bid to wreck Theresa May's Brexit Bill when it

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goes through the House of Lords. "We all need tasers to fight

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terror" is the Metro's headline following a survey

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of Metropolitan Police officers suggesting two in three believe

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the stun guns should be carried And alongside a picture of Emma

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Stone who has taken the best actress Oscar at the Baftas:

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The Guardian reports that whistle blowers face a full frontal attack

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Let's begin. The Daily Telegraph, forget jail numbers, criminals will

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do time, who is saying this and what is it about? This is a preview of

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the speech that Liz Truss the Justice Secretary will give tomorrow

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in which she is going to say in her view wicked criminals, I'm not sure

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how she will define those, will spend longer behind bars. There has

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always been some controversy about the fact that people get released

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early as a matter of form, and that is to do with the problems we have

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in the prison system, which is why I'm surprised that she is saying

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she's going to be keeping people in prison longer, considering that the

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prison system that she oversees is in crisis, with overcrowding under

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her watch. While the Tory Right may be interested in this idea that we

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will go back to a hanged and flog Tory approach to law and order, I'm

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not sure that the prison system itself, it can't operate under its

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current capacity, so I'm not sure where these people will be spending

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their longer services. Using the word wicked, we seem to be in an era

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where politicians start selling some strange things straightaway. It's

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like a fairy tale. The idea of someone being innately wicked seems

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to chime quite badly with the idea that they are also talking about

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early interventions, nipping things in the bud, cutting things off at

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the pass. Wicked is something that is totally corruptible from birth

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and never to be changed, and that doesn't chime with anything I

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understand. And it marks a change from David Cameron's Government's

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approach to these issues, rehabilitation and preventing people

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from becoming offenders, some would argue, me among them, should be the

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focus of the Government's activities. Tough on the causes of

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crime. Exactly, one of the most famous slogans from 20 years ago.

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Liz Truss is saying that the 140% increase in sex offenders going to

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prison, so she's talking specifically about people being

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convicted of sex offences. And they talking about a rebuke to Labour, if

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that is what it is, which called for the prison population to be halved

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from 85,000 to 42,000 as it was in 1890. Was that the pledge? That was

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always going to be unrealistic. I would have thought so. A lot of

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squaring the circle is going on from both parties. But two decade old

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tough on the causes of crime, to try to keep the country feeling safe,

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feeling that justice is being satisfied while dealing with the

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social problems that are behind so many crimes. As we know, Labour did

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struggle with that. Michael Gove made big promises, it is always

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wonder when he is not seen as the hardest hitting of the politicians

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these problems. Good luck if they think they can do it with this new

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approach, but I can't see it happening. He talked pretty tough,

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too. He didn't get much done, he wasn't in post for long. But why has

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the prison publishing gone up from 42,000 in 1990 to 85,000? Has the

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country become more wicked? Word of the night! Or are we locking up

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people who should be locked up? Let's move on. Daily Express. It has

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another line in stories apart from the weather and the usual royal

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things. They do talk a lot about Brexit here. Let's explain what

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they're talking about. Furious at new bid to wreck Huw exit. Who is

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threatening to wreck it and why? This is the senior house, the House

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of Lords, and we know that Mrs May of Lords, and we know that Mrs May

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got a surprising mandate, surprisingly large. I do about Tony

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with his knowledge of the corridors of power. So, really it should be

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full team ahead, both parties have replied and perhaps Mr Corbyn has

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taken even more flak than he normally does because of the way his

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party agreed with so many of the terms, no amendments, lots of

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promises to fight on every corner, but it is going through. And of

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course we know that there is a stumbling block, there is the House

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of Lords, and now the Daily Express, I think they try to conjure up some

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early fear, some early intervention so that everybody is on alert to the

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Lords. There have even been implicit threat that if they try to stop this

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they will show their relevance, is that right? The ultimate thread that

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the Government is under the impression it has is that it will

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abolish the House of Lords, considering that Parliamentary

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parties have been making that promise for more than a century, and

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it still carries on. The Express even have a logo saying get us out

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of the EU. So next Monday, when the Lords comeback, of course they will

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put down those amendments to the Bill in the winner Tim beast did.

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The bill left the Commons on amended which weakens their position

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considerably. I suspect they will try and amend it, but I suspect they

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would significantly frustrated. Remind us how the Lords is composed.

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A quick reading of that and you think that this conservative

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Government faces to River Calder is from too many other parties in the

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Lords. Is that right? What are the numbers? When David Cameron became

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Prime Minister in 2015, he was the first Tory Prime Minister ever not

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to have an in-built majority in the House of Lords because the

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hereditary peers had been removed. The Government needs to work with

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crossbenchers, they are more than 100, they are not affiliated to any

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party. They are some of the experts... Experts are very out of

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fashion! They are not in the House of Lords. The Commons voted to

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remain, the conversation is not now about whether we vote to Remain or

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Leave, it is about how the Government goes about triggering

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article 50. I did six they will significantly frustrate the process.

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We talked about the extremely long history of people saying they want

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to abolish the House of Lords, and also coming back to the idea that

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they might actually stuff it full of their own supporters, the

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Government. But that is totally improbable, surely? Given that David

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Cameron created hundreds of peers and took a reputational hit for it,

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I don't think Theresa May will have an appetite for that, but

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threatening peers is like threatening judges, they don't care,

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they will just do their job. Caroline, the Financial Times,

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bringing us back to very much rather alarming things that happen in the

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world. North Korea has been up to it again, a missile has gone up, and

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President Trump, what I found fascinating about this story is that

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President Trump is hosting the Japanese Prime Minister, they are

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playing golf at the President's hideaway in Florida, and then this

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happened. The timing not accidental, obviously. No, of course. We think

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they are playing golf, but no press have been allowed to witness

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President Trump's swing. There was one picture. The president put that

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on his Instagram account, it wasn't a press photo. Meanwhile, North

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Korea have taken the initiative and launched another missile into the

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Sea of Japan with all sorts of promises about upscaling their

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capacity. But basically, North Korea are doing what they have been doing

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over the last few decades, saying that they have got the power, this

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is a little bit more evidence. I think it is as you say no excuse

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that President Trump is entertaining the Japanese premier as this is

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happening, and it is a case of putting him on the spot. A little

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bit of mini Brickman ship in the first few weeks of his

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administration, and we know that -- brinkmanship in the first weeks of

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his administration, and we know that he things that things are terrible

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or awesome or sad or failing. Or wicked? !

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This is the first genuine grown-up test of his presidency and how he

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chooses to respond. And he did respond in a grown-up way by saying

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that we stand behind our allies. He didn't condemn the launch itself,

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some may think that is an omission, but he did say, we are with you,

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Japan, South Korea. I'm just grateful he hasn't started a nuclear

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war already, so the fact that his response didn't involve him treating

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abuse at the North Korean premier is probably a good sign. This is a

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major challenge now, whoever is in the White House, it doesn't matter

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how they conduct themselves, they have to face this issue. It is a

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major ongoing problem, and the issue with North Korea is there is only

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one country that has any leveraged with them and that is China, and

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they are also neighbours in the South China Sea attending to

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establish new land bases and islands with military bases, so this is a

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difficult balance and I hope President Trump is aware of how

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subtle the gradations of diplomacy can be. An interesting detail in

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here, he said he committed himself to the great ally, Japan, the remark

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that raised eyebrows in South Korea because he didn't mention South

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Korea as a great ally. This is complicated stuff and I hope he

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treads lightly or we could end with a much more situation than the one

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we have now which is a rogue state missiles around. Indeed. Let's move

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on. Tony let's go with the Metro having this story about this big

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survey of what police officers actually thought about guns, tasered

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and so on. Is this the result of that? It is, and that is what I find

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it really interesting about this particular story, as you rightly

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said, the Police Federation, the trade union for police officers,

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they had a conversation about whether a knobbly should be armed,

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and they asked their members and found that most of them believe that

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they should have Taser is, but that only one in four thinks that all

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police officers should carry guns. This is an important issue, we are

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one of the few countries in the world where police officers do not

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routinely carry firearms, and I think that is why we have so few

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incidents of police officers being killed by firearms. In any other

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country, your first option should you have a gun is to shoot the

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police officer, but that is one of the strength that we have in our

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policing. We are rare in that we have a sense of community policing,

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the police are not separate from the community, they police by consent.

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It is good to see that the vast majority still don't want weapons. I

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thought that one in for thinking they should carry guns actually is

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quite an advance on a few years ago. Yes, I think so, and I can remember

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as a child travelling to Europe for the first time in Singh policeman

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with guns and feeling quite horrified and realising we grew up

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in different circumstances. Circumstances have changed. This

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does seem to be a compromise of sorts, at least that we are not

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going down the full firearms route, a Taser is not a nice thing to be on

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the receiving end of, but the fatalities that we have experienced

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in the US on both sides. Heavily armed cops on every corner. The

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Baftas, you were there this evening! I wasn't in the front row, I need to

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stress. We are always keen to talk to people who were there. The Daily

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Telegraph has a picture on the front page of people who are not actors

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are tall, but they stole the limelight on the red carpet, I

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think, Prince William and lovely Kate. It is a revelation when you

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are there on the sidelines and you get these a list is and their

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Oscar-winning Sam Baird Golden Globe winners, and they are so used to

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hoovering up the attention, and people do give them the right kind

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of attention, and then the Royals turn up, and there are only two

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stars in town suddenly. Is really bizarre. You feel the change? There

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is electricity and attention, the service was delayed because they

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were delayed in their car, we have to macro superstars. And Tony I must

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ask you about the dress she was wearing. No, perhaps I won't! We saw

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some very skimpy dresses tonight, but that was a nice one. We have

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another lady, and we talked about this earlier, beaming in minus three

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Celsius was naked shoulder flesh, give everyone an Oscar as far as I'm

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concerned. I wasn't smiling, and I had a hot water bottle up my coat!

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Thank you both very much indeed. That's it for The Papers

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