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Welcome back. A look at the papers. With me is the former Pensions

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Minister and from the Evening Standard. Only one story. The

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Westminster story. A picture of the police surrounding the attacker. The

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headline on your screen. The Daily Express uses a similar photo. It

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covers the MP who tried to save the life of police officer Keith Palmer.

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MP Tobias Ellwood shown helping paramedics. The time is also uses

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its front page to show a picture of the attack. Here is The Daily

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Telegraph, opening with Theresa May's message saying that terror is

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doomed to fail. And The Daily Mirror showing an attack on democracy.

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Paramedics taking away the attacker on a stretcher. And the Daily Mail

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has another picture of the attacker. A close-up. Just one more, the i.

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Conservative MP Tobias Ellwood trying to save Keith Palmer in the

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aftermath of the attack. Let us begin. Just before we start with the

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Guardian, we will look at a picture of the day, everyone trying to save

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poor old Keith Palmer, 48 years old, 15 years of service, a father and

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husband. What did you hear in your office? Did you know the enormity of

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what was happening? Not at the time did I realise. I just heard

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unbelievable commotion and shouting. Now, with hindsight, obviously, the

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shots and the sirens and helicopters. It was almost instant.

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It sounded like a demonstration. I have never heard such commotion. Our

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hearts go out to Palmer's family. These are brave policemen who put

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their lives on the line to save us. You don't expect these things do

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happen but when they do, it hits home. It is something else to run

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towards danger when everyone else goes away from it. Absolutely. And

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the courage they showed just to keep our society going. Of course, the

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whole thing does raise questions about security. Shouldn't all

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policemen at Westminster be armed, because he was not armed. And also

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security. You are talking specifically about policemen around

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Westminster, the complex of Westminster. They should always

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preserve the society we have. But whether we should have better

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security at Westminster, whether certain areas of Westminster should

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not be open to the public... I mean, we must look at it. But we must

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carry on the way we do, of course. With Buckingham Palace and ten

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Downing St, this is it. It is the heart of our government and the

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heart of the seat of power, really. What is worrying about this is that

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this terrorist was armed with a knife which looks like a kitchen

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knife. A pen knife, almost. And he drove a 4X4. No, it was a big

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hunting knife. We will look for a picture. This man was running at a

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man who was crazed and running at him. And he had no defence in that

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sense. Yet he did not flinch. He went forward to do his job, knowing,

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probably, that he was certainly putting his life at risk. Our

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policeman really do guard our Parliament and there are policemen

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all the time around that area, but not all are armed. It look so this

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was a weak spot in security. Security around all of the areas of

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Parliament and Downing Street has been hugely tightened. We should

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always look at the way, and this happened in Nice and Berlin, how

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terrorists are using cars. Correct. The way they are using... We think

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of terror as highly specialised. You know, bombs being made and that sort

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of thing, and we direct our surveillance to that. It was a

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Hyundai... How many people have those. They say they know what

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inspired him. You would imagine someone claims responsibility. It is

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a year to the day that the attack happened in Brussels. The 22nd of

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March. The Monis Brown Ideye in -- modus operandi in Nice was clear. We

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should look at pedestrians, should they get as close to Parliament?

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Those sorts of things will have a proper further review of security. I

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just feel so terrible for people who have lost their lives, their

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families and friends, and who are seriously ill. And the visitors on

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Westminster Bridge who have just walked... I mean, any of us could

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have been there. Absolutely. Let us look at the Express. Can you see the

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red ring there? That is the knife. You can see it is almost twice the

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size of that policemen's boot. It is a substantial weapon. If they know

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the identity of this man, obviously it will raise questions about

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whether they missed something. And at what point do you arrest someone?

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You cannot watch everyone all the time. You absolutely cannot. That is

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where there is the bravery of our security forces to put themselves on

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the line, because you know that you cannot save everybody, and they are

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there waiting to protect people. But as we have seen today, sadly, there

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are some times you cannot protect without shutting down lives. This is

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not going to change our way of life. We will never give in to terror. All

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three of us go to Westminster quite regularly. Presumably we have walked

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over Westminster Bridge to the Palace of Westminster. Should there

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be bollards across? Do you just have to accept there is a risk? We need

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to look at the safety of pedestrians in that area. I will be there

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tomorrow and I will go over that bridge and I will go through there.

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We must not let this damage our way of life. But if there are

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adjustments we can make they will obviously... I think we can minor

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adjustments which safeguard... We need to make it more difficult for

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somebody minded to do this to just walk in. At the same time, if we

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make it completely a fortress, then in a way we have destroyed the

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idea... Parliament is a place where we should all be able to go. You can

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do different things. I was that Birmingham Town Hall recently and it

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has bollards that go up and down. You don't need to obstruct it all

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the time. You can see still see a wonderful view of Parliament from

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the other side of the road, not necessarily from the pavement

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immediately next to Parliament. To stock the car, they would need

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bollards across Westminster Bridge, which would be an intrusion of the

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way we live. -- stop. In my opinion. It looks like he was trying to enter

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the other Muntari estate through the side railings where there are the

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big black bollards on the street. The railings were too strong for

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him. Then he ran around because the pavement is right next to

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Parliament, and get in. But obviously they practise for this an

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awful lot. You would always hope they never need to use it. But on

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the weekend. And if you look at the building of Parliament, there is a

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concrete wall that is huge to stop the public, because they queue up.

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It was really a weak point on the corner to let it in. A weak point

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there, because at many times of the day that gate is open because cars

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have to go in and out. If you allow pedestrians on that side of the

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road, in theory, like happens today, they would be able to get through,

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even if they have to wait until the car gets out. Policemen are waiting

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there, they blew the whistle, and they stop pedestrians coming across

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the driveway when cars are coming out. But if we have no pedestrians

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on that particular side of the pavement, then there would not

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necessarily have been any pedestrians in the way of the car

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going across, and there would not have been any way in which he could

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have just run around and gone in that way. But police will be looking

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at that. We will learn from it. You cannot have 100% security. There

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will always be someone willing to exploit exploits. At least it was a

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lone attacker, not a group of people like has happened before. We need to

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know more about him and whether he had a motivation and whether there

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is a backup team somewhere. We will find out. We salute the

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extraordinary bravery of Keith Palmer, but also the selflessness of

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Conservatives MP Tobias Ellwood. And he lost his brother in the Bali

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Bombing. It is a former soldier, he would be used to this. All the

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others were ushering him back and he said "no." He is, apparently

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according to the reports in the i, he was trying to give life-support,

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mouth-to-mouth, to PC Palmer. You can see a picture on the back of the

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i. We heard of MPs being ushered back into Portcullis House, and he

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went through them, and someone said it looked like was on mission.

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Having lost a brother to terrorism and having been in the forces, this

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is something he had seen, and I guess he felt, you know, all credit

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to him in a way, responsibility. I saw an interview of someone, an MP

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in the Parliament lockdown, and he said it is less than a year since

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poor old Jo Cox was murdered, and it is on the back of MPs' minds. We

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have to have an open mind. There are precautions we can take, but we have

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to have extra security. Douglas, to a certain extent. If you like the

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value of what MPs do, well, it has gone down a bit. If you want to

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encourage the feeling, and I think with Jo Cox and other people, steps

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need to be taken. When MPs are doing their surgery. We will have to

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change at some point. But on the other hand, they will not win. We

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are just going to have another quick look at the Guardian. Because you

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can see Tobias Ellwood there in the midst of it all with everyone else.

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Paramedics around as well. He is in the midst of that trying as best as

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he can. Tonight as he reflects on that, I am sure his family are proud

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of him, but he might be shocked. It is shocking for everyone. He is

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sitting there being locked down, not knowing what is going on. It is

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clear the police and security forces knew exactly what they were doing in

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their strategy of making sure that anyone who was moving was someone

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who would not be supposed to be moving. They were worried there was

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a second attacker around Parliament by the Times, the front page, you

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can see what we were just talking about. The weak point in the

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perimeter at if you will. The gates. It goes into New Palace Yard and it

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is difficult to prevent pedestrians from being in this area. You can see

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in the top right there, this is the point. Police. Pedestrians either

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side there as members of Parliament come in or out in their car. It is a

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car entrance so pedestrians are not the focus. Exactly. A pedestrian

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could run through, as happened today. It is possible, we were

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looking at the map of where he crashed into the railings opposite

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portcullis house, around the corner, it is possible they reacted to that,

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as you would. And they were somewhat distracted as he ran around the

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corner. Which is why we need to find out if that was the plan, he had

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planned to cause a distraction for those and then get into Parliament

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in that weak spot. The carriage gates are left slightly ajar because

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they are allowing cars in and out. A car does not fill up the entire

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space when the gates open, a person could run in an hour but then there

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is a policeman they're supposed to stop them. What you also see in that

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picture are number of armed officers, I can see maybe for all

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five of them there. The guys in the yellow jacket, they are an unarmed

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which underlines what you are saying earlier for you and these security

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men arrived quite quickly. The noise that went on the helicopters, there

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were sirens there were people running. It was a

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rapid response. Normally our police are an unarmed

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and that is something that should not change. But in this sort of

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situation, at Westminster maybe we should think of that. They will be

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looking into that. There is no doubt that the government will react

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quickly, that Parliament will react quickly. Theresa May said tonight

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that Parliament is ingrained with the freedom spirit. And one thing a

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hessian social media over the last few hours is this picture. We are

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not afraid. It underlines what we have both been saying that we cannot

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be cowled by this sort of thing. Again, on the front of the metro

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there. The knife by the boot. This echoes what was said when Parliament

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was bombed during the war. Churchill said we would rebuild Parliament

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exactly as it stood. Just to emphasise that things will not

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change. We are not afraid. Can we put the other side to this, 40

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people have now been injured and as we said, stopping cars is very

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difficult. People will all be standing firm and etc but people

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will be unnerved. In the grand scheme of things we live in a

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dangerous world and we know that there are bad people out there but

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we must not let it change our way of life. And we have got fantastic

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security forces. Fantastic belief forces. They will learn and they

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will adjust and they are doing their utmost to keep the public safe.

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There will always be accidents that happen in a different way people 's

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lives are sometimes at risk. But if you let that put you off your daily

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life, if you let that stop you from doing what we want to do which is to

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enjoy our freedom. We have eight free society which... Which comes

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with certain risks. It does have certain risks and we must make sure

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that we protect ourselves as best we can. The front of the Mirror has not

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hidden the identity of the attacker, possibly the best image of him

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moments before he died. Some people commenting that he is Asian, that

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does not seem so to me, we will leave that up in the air. It is

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difficult to see from this angle. He has a beard. We should not judge his

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ethnicity. In fact, that is a very good point. In the attack in Nice,

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it is one thing to be inspired by Islamic State and another thing to

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be associated. Many people have mental problems, alcoholism,

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depression, whatever, whose find inspiration from these groups but

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are not in direct contact. This again raises the question that we

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still have to look at our society as this person is someone from our

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society and as why he wants to do this. That battle to make sure that

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the younger generation is not influenced by this. We must keep

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doing that. They must share our belief. Increasingly, the focus here

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is an petty criminals were going into prison and being radicalised.

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Social media as well. Many people are being converted in prison to

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Islam. There are many things going on in prison that we don't know

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enough about. I think that is why we are looking to build new prisons. We

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know that the overcrowding in prisons can bring certain

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unfortunate relationships and radicalisation is more likely in far

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more overcrowded conditions. I love this picture at the top of the

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mirror. The sunset over Parliament. A beautiful sky. The Parliamentary

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building is wonderful. Not broken. 13 terror attacks in four yes. We

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have had, what, three now that have been successful? The ratio, when you

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compare it to European countries, is astonishingly good. Yes. Far better

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than France. This is the worst since 2005. Fill in that sense we must not

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be complacent. But we need to give credit to our security service.

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There will be focus again on this attackers associate, whether

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opportunities were missed. Security services working day and night on

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this and there is so much happening that we are not told about that we

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may not know about. One policeman described it tonight as having

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certain people who will drift into the upper echelon who must be

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watched 24 hours and then some will drop down list of priority and they

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had and flows and it may be that he was someone that they were watching

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who disappeared off the radar and suddenly re-emerged. There is no

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accounting for that. And surveillance must have limits on our

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society. We would not want to become a police state. There needs to be a

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balance. This is what the French Tom Lee, they have a list as long as

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your arm. If you were to staff offices around the clock on each one

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of them, you would need an army. Let's have a look at the Telegraph.

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They carry a quote from the Prime Minister "We will never allow evil

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to drive us apart. You both pick out this part which... The weak spot,

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the Telegraph makes mention of it. A very good report about the carriage

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Gates. It mentions the fact that the gate, known as the carriage Gates,

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is always manned by two police officers who normally leave it

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slightly ajar because it is so frequently used. Again, I am sure,

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there will be a long investigation on what happened and measures may be

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taken and maybe that is the weak spot that this terrorist knew about.

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This is what it could be. But, as the Prime Minister said, you know,

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we are going to be defiant. I will be at work tomorrow. We will all be

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that there tomorrow to show that this does not the rail, in any way

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at all, our democracy, the worker Parliament does on behalf of the

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people of this country and the work that all of the security forces and

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policeman do. But we will be starting with prayer, I believe, for

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all of the victims and for their families. It has been very good

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having your company here this evening. Before we say goodbye,

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let's just have a look at of Westminster this evening. There it

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is. A splendid scene in Westminster on such a sad day but, our ministers

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will be there in their offices tomorrow. They all have great

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stamina and we will be reporting from Westminster tomorrow as well.

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More to come on this story no doubt. Coming up next we have the weather

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