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We'll be taking a look at tomorrow mornings papers in a moment.

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You can tell by the laughter that we have already rummaged through them.

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Ukip's leader Paul Nuttall has described the decision

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by the party's only MP, Douglas Carswell, to leave

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Mr Carswell says he'll remain in the House of Commons

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as an independent MP and is leaving Ukip "amicably and cheerfully."

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Fire crews are dealing with the aftermath of an explosion

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on the Wirral that is believed to have been caused

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The family of PC Keith Palmer, the officer murdered in Westminster,

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issue a statement thanking those who helped him in his last moments.

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The US says it's investigating coalition airstrikes that

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were carried out in western Mosul, killing dozens of civilians.

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The crew on board the International Space Station think they have found

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life on Mars in the science-fiction horror film Life. But is all what it

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seems? Mark Kermode will fill us in on the film review. -- The Film

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Review. Hello, and welcome to our look ahead

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to what the the papers will be With me are Ruth Lea, economic

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adviser for Arbuthnot Banking Group, and John Rentoul, chief political

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columnist at the Independent. Just before they begin with their

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thoughts on the papers, let's give you a fighting chance to keep up.

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Tomorrow's front pages, starting with the Sunday Times,

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caliming EU migrants living in Britain will continue to get

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child benefits after Britain leaves the EU.

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The Observer leads with the coalition air strikes in Mosul,

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which it says, have killed at least 150 civilians

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The Sunday Express's front page features the Conservative MP

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Tobias Ellwood, and says he's spoken for the first time after trying

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to save PC Keith Palmer in Wednesday's terror attacks.

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The Mail reports that the air ambulance Prince William co-pilots

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had a near miss with a drone last summer.

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The Sunday Telegraph leads with Douglas Carswell's resignation

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from Ukip, reporting that it's led to a "civil war" within the party.

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The Independent also has a picture of Douglas Carswell,

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but its main story features calls for Europe to stick together

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following the Westminster terror attacks.

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Welcome back to you both. Ruth, the Sunday express. Tonight we have seen

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a statement from the family of Keith Palmer. They will have been thinking

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of this man on the front page of the paper, Tobias Ellwood, the Foreign

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Office minister. He certainly is a bit of a hero. I thought he behaved

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excellently. He ran towards the problem and lots of other people

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were running away. This picture of PC Palmer, he looks so vulnerable,

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if I may say so. I think the real message of this story is that the

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security at the front of Parliament will have to be stepped up. You will

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have to have armed policeman there. At the moment you just have to

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police officers in high visibility jackets, which really isn't good

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enough. John, Scotland Yard has been giving us more details tonight in

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terms of what it knows in the investigation. One of the most

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striking things I have seen in the last hour is something that suggests

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that the entire duration of the attack, from the moment the first

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casualties was hit on the bridge to Keith Palmer being stabbed and then

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being shot, was one minute and 22 seconds. Yes, 82 seconds.

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Astonishing. And it was all over. It was all over very quickly. I was

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working in my office off the press gallery, just beneath Big Ben, and I

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heard the bang of the car hitting the railings and I thought it was a

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traffic accident. It sounded witty serious so I went to the window to

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see what was going on. -- pretty serious. It was very confusing, you

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couldn't see what was happening until you heard the crack of

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gunfire. And that was it, it was all over. U2 will know this very well,

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but the people watching who are not aware of this, we think of

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Parliament as one building, but it is a kind of rabbit warren of

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connected buildings and corridors and sellers. -- You two will know.

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The police would have been searching for hours afterwards to make sure

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nobody else slipped in during the confusion. I think so. To this idea

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of armed police, the idea that you do not have armed police around the

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Parliament is nonsense. There are some armed police. But in 82

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seconds, my goodness, he caused some damage. And he could have caused a

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great deal more. He could have killed 30 people. He injured how

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many, 30? And if there had been more than one person, they could have got

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into the Parliamentary estate. He was stopped within 20 yards. But if

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there had been others behind him, the Gates were still open, and the

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Prime Minister herself was there. She was only 100 yards away. Yes,

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too vulnerable. People have reported seeing her in new Palace Yard, and

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then being told to get into a car. This is striking, in the light of

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what you are saying, this report on the front of the Observer, which

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suggests that the police may never know now exactly what motivated him.

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I don't think any of us do. He was an odd character, 52 years old. Most

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of these jihadists are in their 20s. 52, extraordinary. And of course he

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was a convert. But what he did, why he did it, nobody will ever know.

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But it was obviously premeditated. He must have worked out the route.

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You have to pick the right sort of pavement, in order to do this. He

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had obviously thought about this quite hard. John, presumably there

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is a dilemma here for the authorities, all kinds of

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authorities, because the suggestion is he may have been radicalised in

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prison. That is a very hard place to provide effective countervailing

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measures. Absolutely, that is a serious problem. We have had the

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Prevent programme for more than a decade. Fishermen bleat is quite

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hard to measure how effective it has been. -- presumably it is quite

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hard. Has it been able to prevent lots of kids from being radicalised,

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or not spotted the ones who were in danger? I think the coloured Mahmoud

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case does raise another question. -- Khalid Masood. To what extent was he

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really and Islamists terrorists, or was he disturbed individual would

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management problems? Who just have a rage against society. Obviously

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there is a sort of lowering between the two in many cases. -- sort of

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blurring. Police do not like the term loan Wolf, they prefer the term

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Logan Act. What he has turned out to be a lone actor. And therefore less

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of a danger to society than he might have been. In an open society you

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will never stop these things, that is the tragedy. Woosha just clarify

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the number of casualties. You mentioned the figures, but we think

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we are down to 14 still in hospital. That is in encouraging sign, the

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numbers are decreasing all the time. We obviously hope that all of them

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will be out sooner rather than later. Another story on the front of

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the Observer, this very interesting story about the Mosul attack. This

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is one of those stories that bubbles up occasionally and then drops away,

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and we lose attention on it. But this has been going on for months

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now. That is right. We were given the impression a long time ago that

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Mosul was within days of falling to the Iraqi army. But they are still

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there. They have had to halt the bombing because of civilian

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casualties. This is a bombing attack that happens more than a week ago.

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Last week. It does suggest that taking Mosul is turning out to be a

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much, much bigger and longer struggle than we thought. But you

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can see they will go back into it, they will assume they will fight and

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fight and fight until they actually destroy the Isis state. At the

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moment they just have Raqqa as well, in Syria, and you can see Isis as

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this caliphate that they talk about, disappearing. My goodness me, the

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terrorism will continue. Yes, we said pitcher on the front of one of

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the little girls in a refugee camp, who has been displaced from Mosul.

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Let's go to your paper, John, the Independent on Sunday, and we have a

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byline from your good self confidently predicting that Douglas

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Carswell will rejoin the Conservative Party. I don't know

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that pictures from this weekend or if it is from the archive. You think

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it is the end of Ukip is a party? Yes. I think Ukip has been a tenant

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since the referendum, if not before. The fact that Britain is leading the

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European Union means there is no point to Ukip. Douglas Carswell has

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for some time sounded to me like somebody who is going back to the

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Conservative Party. The only thing that stopped him going straight back

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across to the Conservative Party is that under his own principles he

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would have to have a by-election. He doesn't want to do that. I suspect

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he will join the Conservatives up just make joined the Conservatives

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just before the next election. I cannot help but think of Winston

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Churchill's phrase, he ratted and then re-ratted. Douglas Carswell is

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a Tory and always has been a Tory. As he said himself, as he was being

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interviewed this afternoon, he joined Ukip because he was so

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passionate about Brexit. At Brexit is happening. If I was a Ukip

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minister I would say, that is all very well, but look at the political

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scene at the moment. We have a Labour Party that is deeply divided

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and according to the polls deeply unpopular. We have the Liberal

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Democrats, almost white doubt in the Parliament, they have won a

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by-election since, but they are still a shadow of what they were

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several years ago. We have an opening here, a potential here, for

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a party to challenge the Conservatives. In the Stoke

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by-election, Ukip's big chance, it failed to make any headway. Ukip

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could have established itself as a working-class protest party to

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displace Labour. But it didn't work. It is all over, I'm afraid. The

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Sunday Times. This is quite a story, on the face of it. EU migrants keep

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benefits after Brexit. Another Tory manifesto pledge at risk, says Tim

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Shipman, the paper's little editor. What do you make of it? -- political

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editor. It goes back to the negotiations David Cameron was

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having before the referendum to try to renegotiate the terms. This is

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about the payment of child benefits to EU citizens who are going to be

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here after Brexit. That is a slightly different category of

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people eke as those are people that the UK has decided, outside of the

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freedom of movement of the EU... Because they will no longer have a

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right to be here. Yes, those other people where we decided they may

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live here. Therefore the question of where their child benefit goes to is

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less important, I would suggest. I think that is right. It seems

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perfectly reasonable that EU migrants who come here should have

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the same rights. But I like that, another Tory manifesto pledge at

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risk. Stir, stir, stir. Let's be honest. The Tory manifesto was in

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2015. Since then there has been a referendum and we are leaving the

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EU. I think the ground rules have changed. It is nothing like the next

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manifesto pledge, in my humble opinion. We will take your word on

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that. We will briefly note that the Sunday Telegraph is reporting that

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Ukip is at war after Carswell quits the party. From what John says it

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sounds like there was civil war before, during and after Carswell.

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Some might say it goes back to the days of Alan scared, the leader who

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was fighting his colleagues. -- Alan Sked. It is quite an achievement,

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really, that the party has operated despite all these rivalries and

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conflicts. It has an impressive record of local government victories

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and European Parliament victories. I don't like to pay tribute to Nigel

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Farage, but you have to say that as a 1-man band, his personality and

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his television presence was enough to hold the party together

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sufficiently. Boy, do they miss him now. Absolutely. I will pay tribute

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to Nigel Farage. I think he has done a great job. Well, as a Brexit

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supporter you would. Is that the first time you have been competitor

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Mandy Rice Davies? Darling! Finally, a story that might not be a story at

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all, Ruth? Exactly. Tell us about it anyway. This is Prince William's air

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ambulance, or the one that he copilots. It does not say that he

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was actually in it. Despite the fact they have put a photograph on him on

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the front. William's helicopter split second from lethal drone

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crash. He was probably at home changing nappies. That is almost

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certainly true. Otherwise this would not be called exclusive... If

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William himself had been a split second from a lethal drone crash, I

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think the BBC might have already changed its bulletins by now. I

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suspect there is slightly less to this story than meets the eye. Does

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that happen a lot? Do journalists sometimes slightly write stories up

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a bit more? Well, got to have something to put on the front page.

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To have something to put the headlines. Indeed. That is

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journalism. It certainly made us stop, look and read. Yes, full

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marks. But we still haven't read the inside copy. We are desperate to

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read the inside copy as well. You may have to wait. You might find one

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in your home tonight, in the cabs, as you head back. Keep your eyes

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peeled for a late-night vendor. What is on page four? We'll tell you

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tomorrow when we review the papers in the morning. Why then we will

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have a hard copies. Thank you to both of you. And forget, all the

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front pages are online on the BBC News website, where you can get a

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detailed review of the papers. It is all there for you, seven days a

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week. And you can watch us there as well, if you really want to again,

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with each night's edition of the papers posted on the page shortly

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after we finish. Ruth, John, thank you for your company this evening. I

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will be back tomorrow afternoon. Coming up next, The Film Review.

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