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We'll be taking a look at tomorrow mornings papers in a moment.


You can tell by the laughter that we have already rummaged through them.


Ukip's leader Paul Nuttall has described the decision


by the party's only MP, Douglas Carswell, to leave


Mr Carswell says he'll remain in the House of Commons


as an independent MP and is leaving Ukip "amicably and cheerfully."


Fire crews are dealing with the aftermath of an explosion


on the Wirral that is believed to have been caused


The family of PC Keith Palmer, the officer murdered in Westminster,


issue a statement thanking those who helped him in his last moments.


The US says it's investigating coalition airstrikes that


were carried out in western Mosul, killing dozens of civilians.


The crew on board the International Space Station think they have found


life on Mars in the science-fiction horror film Life. But is all what it


seems? Mark Kermode will fill us in on the film review. -- The Film


Review. Hello, and welcome to our look ahead


to what the the papers will be With me are Ruth Lea, economic


adviser for Arbuthnot Banking Group, and John Rentoul, chief political


columnist at the Independent. Just before they begin with their


thoughts on the papers, let's give you a fighting chance to keep up.


Tomorrow's front pages, starting with the Sunday Times,


caliming EU migrants living in Britain will continue to get


child benefits after Britain leaves the EU.


The Observer leads with the coalition air strikes in Mosul,


which it says, have killed at least 150 civilians


The Sunday Express's front page features the Conservative MP


Tobias Ellwood, and says he's spoken for the first time after trying


to save PC Keith Palmer in Wednesday's terror attacks.


The Mail reports that the air ambulance Prince William co-pilots


had a near miss with a drone last summer.


The Sunday Telegraph leads with Douglas Carswell's resignation


from Ukip, reporting that it's led to a "civil war" within the party.


The Independent also has a picture of Douglas Carswell,


but its main story features calls for Europe to stick together


following the Westminster terror attacks.


Welcome back to you both. Ruth, the Sunday express. Tonight we have seen


a statement from the family of Keith Palmer. They will have been thinking


of this man on the front page of the paper, Tobias Ellwood, the Foreign


Office minister. He certainly is a bit of a hero. I thought he behaved


excellently. He ran towards the problem and lots of other people


were running away. This picture of PC Palmer, he looks so vulnerable,


if I may say so. I think the real message of this story is that the


security at the front of Parliament will have to be stepped up. You will


have to have armed policeman there. At the moment you just have to


police officers in high visibility jackets, which really isn't good


enough. John, Scotland Yard has been giving us more details tonight in


terms of what it knows in the investigation. One of the most


striking things I have seen in the last hour is something that suggests


that the entire duration of the attack, from the moment the first


casualties was hit on the bridge to Keith Palmer being stabbed and then


being shot, was one minute and 22 seconds. Yes, 82 seconds.


Astonishing. And it was all over. It was all over very quickly. I was


working in my office off the press gallery, just beneath Big Ben, and I


heard the bang of the car hitting the railings and I thought it was a


traffic accident. It sounded witty serious so I went to the window to


see what was going on. -- pretty serious. It was very confusing, you


couldn't see what was happening until you heard the crack of


gunfire. And that was it, it was all over. U2 will know this very well,


but the people watching who are not aware of this, we think of


Parliament as one building, but it is a kind of rabbit warren of


connected buildings and corridors and sellers. -- You two will know.


The police would have been searching for hours afterwards to make sure


nobody else slipped in during the confusion. I think so. To this idea


of armed police, the idea that you do not have armed police around the


Parliament is nonsense. There are some armed police. But in 82


seconds, my goodness, he caused some damage. And he could have caused a


great deal more. He could have killed 30 people. He injured how


many, 30? And if there had been more than one person, they could have got


into the Parliamentary estate. He was stopped within 20 yards. But if


there had been others behind him, the Gates were still open, and the


Prime Minister herself was there. She was only 100 yards away. Yes,


too vulnerable. People have reported seeing her in new Palace Yard, and


then being told to get into a car. This is striking, in the light of


what you are saying, this report on the front of the Observer, which


suggests that the police may never know now exactly what motivated him.


I don't think any of us do. He was an odd character, 52 years old. Most


of these jihadists are in their 20s. 52, extraordinary. And of course he


was a convert. But what he did, why he did it, nobody will ever know.


But it was obviously premeditated. He must have worked out the route.


You have to pick the right sort of pavement, in order to do this. He


had obviously thought about this quite hard. John, presumably there


is a dilemma here for the authorities, all kinds of


authorities, because the suggestion is he may have been radicalised in


prison. That is a very hard place to provide effective countervailing


measures. Absolutely, that is a serious problem. We have had the


Prevent programme for more than a decade. Fishermen bleat is quite


hard to measure how effective it has been. -- presumably it is quite


hard. Has it been able to prevent lots of kids from being radicalised,


or not spotted the ones who were in danger? I think the coloured Mahmoud


case does raise another question. -- Khalid Masood. To what extent was he


really and Islamists terrorists, or was he disturbed individual would


management problems? Who just have a rage against society. Obviously


there is a sort of lowering between the two in many cases. -- sort of


blurring. Police do not like the term loan Wolf, they prefer the term


Logan Act. What he has turned out to be a lone actor. And therefore less


of a danger to society than he might have been. In an open society you


will never stop these things, that is the tragedy. Woosha just clarify


the number of casualties. You mentioned the figures, but we think


we are down to 14 still in hospital. That is in encouraging sign, the


numbers are decreasing all the time. We obviously hope that all of them


will be out sooner rather than later. Another story on the front of


the Observer, this very interesting story about the Mosul attack. This


is one of those stories that bubbles up occasionally and then drops away,


and we lose attention on it. But this has been going on for months


now. That is right. We were given the impression a long time ago that


Mosul was within days of falling to the Iraqi army. But they are still


there. They have had to halt the bombing because of civilian


casualties. This is a bombing attack that happens more than a week ago.


Last week. It does suggest that taking Mosul is turning out to be a


much, much bigger and longer struggle than we thought. But you


can see they will go back into it, they will assume they will fight and


fight and fight until they actually destroy the Isis state. At the


moment they just have Raqqa as well, in Syria, and you can see Isis as


this caliphate that they talk about, disappearing. My goodness me, the


terrorism will continue. Yes, we said pitcher on the front of one of


the little girls in a refugee camp, who has been displaced from Mosul.


Let's go to your paper, John, the Independent on Sunday, and we have a


byline from your good self confidently predicting that Douglas


Carswell will rejoin the Conservative Party. I don't know


that pictures from this weekend or if it is from the archive. You think


it is the end of Ukip is a party? Yes. I think Ukip has been a tenant


since the referendum, if not before. The fact that Britain is leading the


European Union means there is no point to Ukip. Douglas Carswell has


for some time sounded to me like somebody who is going back to the


Conservative Party. The only thing that stopped him going straight back


across to the Conservative Party is that under his own principles he


would have to have a by-election. He doesn't want to do that. I suspect


he will join the Conservatives up just make joined the Conservatives


just before the next election. I cannot help but think of Winston


Churchill's phrase, he ratted and then re-ratted. Douglas Carswell is


a Tory and always has been a Tory. As he said himself, as he was being


interviewed this afternoon, he joined Ukip because he was so


passionate about Brexit. At Brexit is happening. If I was a Ukip


minister I would say, that is all very well, but look at the political


scene at the moment. We have a Labour Party that is deeply divided


and according to the polls deeply unpopular. We have the Liberal


Democrats, almost white doubt in the Parliament, they have won a


by-election since, but they are still a shadow of what they were


several years ago. We have an opening here, a potential here, for


a party to challenge the Conservatives. In the Stoke


by-election, Ukip's big chance, it failed to make any headway. Ukip


could have established itself as a working-class protest party to


displace Labour. But it didn't work. It is all over, I'm afraid. The


Sunday Times. This is quite a story, on the face of it. EU migrants keep


benefits after Brexit. Another Tory manifesto pledge at risk, says Tim


Shipman, the paper's little editor. What do you make of it? -- political


editor. It goes back to the negotiations David Cameron was


having before the referendum to try to renegotiate the terms. This is


about the payment of child benefits to EU citizens who are going to be


here after Brexit. That is a slightly different category of


people eke as those are people that the UK has decided, outside of the


freedom of movement of the EU... Because they will no longer have a


right to be here. Yes, those other people where we decided they may


live here. Therefore the question of where their child benefit goes to is


less important, I would suggest. I think that is right. It seems


perfectly reasonable that EU migrants who come here should have


the same rights. But I like that, another Tory manifesto pledge at


risk. Stir, stir, stir. Let's be honest. The Tory manifesto was in


2015. Since then there has been a referendum and we are leaving the


EU. I think the ground rules have changed. It is nothing like the next


manifesto pledge, in my humble opinion. We will take your word on


that. We will briefly note that the Sunday Telegraph is reporting that


Ukip is at war after Carswell quits the party. From what John says it


sounds like there was civil war before, during and after Carswell.


Some might say it goes back to the days of Alan scared, the leader who


was fighting his colleagues. -- Alan Sked. It is quite an achievement,


really, that the party has operated despite all these rivalries and


conflicts. It has an impressive record of local government victories


and European Parliament victories. I don't like to pay tribute to Nigel


Farage, but you have to say that as a 1-man band, his personality and


his television presence was enough to hold the party together


sufficiently. Boy, do they miss him now. Absolutely. I will pay tribute


to Nigel Farage. I think he has done a great job. Well, as a Brexit


supporter you would. Is that the first time you have been competitor


Mandy Rice Davies? Darling! Finally, a story that might not be a story at


all, Ruth? Exactly. Tell us about it anyway. This is Prince William's air


ambulance, or the one that he copilots. It does not say that he


was actually in it. Despite the fact they have put a photograph on him on


the front. William's helicopter split second from lethal drone


crash. He was probably at home changing nappies. That is almost


certainly true. Otherwise this would not be called exclusive... If


William himself had been a split second from a lethal drone crash, I


think the BBC might have already changed its bulletins by now. I


suspect there is slightly less to this story than meets the eye. Does


that happen a lot? Do journalists sometimes slightly write stories up


a bit more? Well, got to have something to put on the front page.


To have something to put the headlines. Indeed. That is


journalism. It certainly made us stop, look and read. Yes, full


marks. But we still haven't read the inside copy. We are desperate to


read the inside copy as well. You may have to wait. You might find one


in your home tonight, in the cabs, as you head back. Keep your eyes


peeled for a late-night vendor. What is on page four? We'll tell you


tomorrow when we review the papers in the morning. Why then we will


have a hard copies. Thank you to both of you. And forget, all the


front pages are online on the BBC News website, where you can get a


detailed review of the papers. It is all there for you, seven days a


week. And you can watch us there as well, if you really want to again,


with each night's edition of the papers posted on the page shortly


after we finish. Ruth, John, thank you for your company this evening. I


will be back tomorrow afternoon. Coming up next, The Film Review.


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