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moment on BBC News, it is time for The Papers.

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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be

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With me are Laura Hughes, political correspondent

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at The Daily Telegraph and the journalist James Rampton.

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The Telegraph leads with suggestions that government no longer sees

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prisons as places for punishment, after the phrase was excluded

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from the first legal definition of a jail's purpose.

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According to an investigation by the Times, staff at one

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of the world's leading drug companies discussed

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destroying supplies of life-saving cancer medicines.

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The i reports new claims that more British youngsters than ever

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are caught in a so-called "age of anxiety".

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Holiday costs fall by 20% is the headline in the Express.

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The paper claims summer breaks in Europe are now the cheapest

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Don't forget, you can see the front pages of the papers online

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Let's begin with that Sun headline. Laura Hughes, take us to the

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coverage of this bomb dropped in Afghanistan? So, this is the largest

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non-nuclear bomb that America has ever used. During his presidential

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campaign, Donald Trump spoke about how he was going to protect

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America's's interests, and not really intervene around the world.

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But this is the second incident in two weeks showing that maybe that is

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not the case. This maybe is a warning to North Korea, Iran, Syria,

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that America is taking things really seriously now. And they are

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prepared, Donald Trump is prepared, to go further than George Bush, he

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never used these weapons, and also President Obama. May be questions

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for Donald Trump supporters, who voted for him in the hope that

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America might take a step back from dealing in these kind of issues. Is

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that how you see it? Absolutely, it is the largest bomb that has been

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dropped since blagger hour. Apparently it has caused a lot of

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consternation within the warring factions in the White House. Steve

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Bannon, his notoriously hawkish adviser, was apparently advising

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against attacking Syria last week. I'm not sure he will be that happy

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about this, either. Because the campaign was all about America

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first, isolationist in the world sought itself out. But dropping the

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largest bomb ever of a non-nuclear variety, is NOT not getting involved

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in the rest of the world! It shows how unpredictable Trump is, and that

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will make other nations nervous. If Russia and Iran and Syria thought,

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we can do anything, he doesn't want to intervene, I think this is

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showing that that's not the case. The target we are told, Caves hiding

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IS fighters. But this is a device weighing more than 21,000lb. Yeah,

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it is even heavier than me, it is a really big bomb. But I can sort of

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understand why they dropped it on those caves. I remember the American

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special forces after 911 had a heck of a time trying to find Osama bin

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Laden, who was hiding in the caves in the correct. And in fact they

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never found him" because it was such a labyrinthine network of places

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which he knew about and enabled him to evade his pursuers. But some

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people might say, it is taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut. Laura

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Hughes, prisons are not for punishment, this is a quote taken

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from a document about the role played by prisons? Yes. This is the

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prisons and courts bill. This is the definition of what prison means. And

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they have taken out the word punishment, which brings up the

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whole question of what they are for. We know that the prison system is

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under pressure and it seems to be failing. It seems to be failing

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prisoners who go on to reoffend. We have seen massive cuts, this is the

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old argument, what is prison for? If you look at countries across Europe,

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the Netherlands and Sweden, they have got a bit of a crisis, in that

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they can't fill prison cells. That is because they have taken a policy

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of rehabilitation. So, when somebody goes into in the Netherlands or in

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Sweden, they concentrate on getting them Rhys Gill. What we are seeing

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is that reoffending rates are rising, crime levels are rising,

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something is clearly not working. And this subtle removal of the word

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perhaps signifies the direction of this government and what they want

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to do and how they want to reform the justice system in this country

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bridge be working. Liz Truss will be at used by some of going soft? I

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would say it is a badge of honour for her that she is being attacked

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by Mick Davies, the Tory MP. He's at using her of being one of the

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liberal lefties, as he puts it. I don't know what are the sort of

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lefties there are full stop it is a weird phrase. According to Mr

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Davies, he says people having their freedom taken away is a punishment

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in itself. Too many people, it is not. I really can't disagree with

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that more. As you said, Laura, the point of prison is to stop people

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going back in prison. Figures show that if prisoners go on

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rehabilitation programmes and have education, taught music, drama,

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dropped by 20% or more. We don't dropped by 20% or more. We don't

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want people to go back to prison. If we are treating them like students

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in a school of crime, and some of them here have been pictured

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drinking alcohol and taking drugs, and even frying steaks, they're

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never going to reform them. It talks about what the victims of some of

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those criminal acts want to see done to the perpetrators. Of course there

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is an element of retribution, and that's quite right, particularly if

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you have been the victim of a terrible crime. However, if you want

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that person not to commit that crime again, I would argue that you should

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be treating them as potential reformees rather than as potential

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criminals. Or as people who have been failed at some point in their

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life. The question is, why are they there? Inside, this is Justine

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Greening's views on grammar schools? Yes. I think Justine Greening in

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many ways is an impressive minister, but she was with John Humphrys this

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morning, trying to define what it means, ordinary working families.

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The phrase makes my skin creep. What does ordinary means? It has smacked

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of patronising, I think. And also, it seems to exclude the very

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disadvantaged, because it's people with a household income of around 30

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3000. There are many people unfortunately are much less than

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that. Is she saying she's only going to be interested in those people,

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give them this supposedly up, and she is declining to say whether they

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would be quotas? If she does want to change the class, if you like, all

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those people who are admitted? That is the point, how do you redefine

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policy to be seen through? And she policy to be seen through? And she

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would not go that far this morning, when she was pushed! She said, we

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will be setting it out in the white paper in due course. But something

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is going to have to change. If you have grammar schools, often it

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becomes a more affluent area, and it pushes people out. So children from

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poorer families aren't living in the areas where they would have access

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to grammar schools. If you have a bit of money, and you know there is

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probably try and move there to send probably try and move there to send

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your child there. And if you can afford to do so, you will then pay

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for tutoring. That is the argument. The criticism of this policy, of

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Labour, and of the teaching unions, is that actually we are seeing huge

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cuts in schools, shouldn't we be focusing on putting more money into

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the state system instead of building a whole new raft of new schools,

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when the ones we've got already aren't doing the job they are meant

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to be doing? Good points, yes. Let's take the front page of the

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Independent, this picture of President Assad, the interview he

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has done nearly he has gone arguably further than he has gone before, in

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suggesting that the attack that we have all seen pictures of didn't

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happen at all. I thought I could no longer be horrified by President

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Assad, but I was when I saw this interview today. I was genuinely

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shocked that he should claim it's fake news, and the outrageous

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suggestion that somehow these children were pretending to be dead.

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I think that's absolutely disgusting that he said that and I'm not saying

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that I have the to that problem, but he is clearly, in my eyes, not the

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solution. It's such a vile man and he has created such misery, half a

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million people have been killed, half the population has been turned

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into refugees. He is an absolute monster, as President Trump said the

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other day, and today's interview only confirm that. In the Daily

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Telegraph today, we are now referring to him as Assad, not Mr

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Assad. Really? And that is something we only do for criminals. That's

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very interesting. The Times, two stories I want to mention, Facebook?

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The Times have been really going on this, and rightfully so. They

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reported to Facebook that they could see inappropriate images of

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children, child abuse, on Facebook, alerted the organisation to these

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images, and yet they still were not reviewed. The NSPCC today are

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calling for there to be a statutory code of conduct, so that these

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social networking sites have to comply with certain standards. At

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the moment, it seems they are making up the rules and constantly being

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alerted and not taking action. You sense pressure is growing along

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these lines? You do, and it plays to the idea that the internet to a

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degree is still the wild west and that people do what they like and

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think they can get away with it. Louise Haig, the shadow digital

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minister, has written to Facebook saying that she thinks their

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reporting regime is obviously flawed and has multiple failures. And

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certainly the evidence uncovered by The Times and the NSPCC would back

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that up. The other story on The Times front page is this drug

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giant's secret plan to destroy cancer medicine...? I sound like I

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made chuntering kernel from royal Tunbridge Wells, but I am very

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shocked by this story as well! You're going to be constantly

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shocked by everything we have! I am really shocked by this, the

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allegation is that a drugs company has been possibly deliberately

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hiking the price, and even, it is suggested, destroying a life-saving

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drug, in order to facilitate a 4000% price-wise on a cancer drug. I find

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that truly horrendous. I think it was that 4000% figure which struck

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you both, Laura? Yes. It's just... It is truly horrifying, and there is

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actually a lot in the paper that you want to get through. They have got a

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printout of the e-mails. It is quite an extensive investigation? They

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have done a good job. It says, I think the only option would be to

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donate or destroy the stock. The e-mail ends, let's celebrate. It's

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pretty sickening. But are other companies doing this? After 20

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years, I think other companies cannot even buy the patent of a

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drug, and therefore the competition has gone, and they can set the

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prices. I believe there is some legislation going through Parliament

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now which will allow the Government to intervene and make prices lower

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if they think they are excessive. In the interests of fairness, the

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company in question, the chief executive has said this, and I

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quote... The price rises were at levels appropriate to promote

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long-term, sustainable supply to patients and had been increased

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from, quote, a very low and unsustainable base. You both seem

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keen to talk about this, life on Saturn, possibly, from the Daily

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Mail! Can you sing it to the tune of life on Mars?! No, actually! Even

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with the quake and on the piano, that would be difficult. That's a

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joke for the older viewers! Straight over my head! This is one of

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Saturn's I icy moons. Called Enceladus. It sounds like a Rick

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Wakeman album! They have found all the right elements, the water, the

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ice, geothermal activity... They will find a shopping centre there!

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With abandoned trolleys - in the icy Lake! I find it hard to get worked

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up about this. We have got Nasa saying it is a new frontier. But

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there is so much going on on our planet that I'm worried about. We

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have got Mr Trump cropping the have got Mr Trump cropping the

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largest bomb since the Second World War. The fact that there is an icy

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like on Saturn... Mind you, if there was life on Saturn, that could be a

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nice distraction. Talking of nice destructions, we have 30 seconds to

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talk takes, break-off, Channel 4, etc? I love the fact that somehow

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the Daily Telegraph has managed to concoct a row about it already. This

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is massive, because the scrums are the Cornish fashion, which is jam

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before Queen, and of course, that is heresy, if you are from Devon. --

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jam before cream. And I don't think he has overstated this at all! Have

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you got a strong view on it, Laura? It is jam on cream. So I think I am

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Cornish on this one! I'm very glad that we're discussing this when the

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world is being systematically destroyed! And possible life on

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Saturn. , but there is nothing so important as the Devon versus

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Cornwall scone row. Don't forget, you can see the front

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pages of the papers online

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