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moment on BBC News, it is time for The Papers.


Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be


With me are Laura Hughes, political correspondent


at The Daily Telegraph and the journalist James Rampton.


The Telegraph leads with suggestions that government no longer sees


prisons as places for punishment, after the phrase was excluded


from the first legal definition of a jail's purpose.


According to an investigation by the Times, staff at one


of the world's leading drug companies discussed


destroying supplies of life-saving cancer medicines.


The i reports new claims that more British youngsters than ever


are caught in a so-called "age of anxiety".


Holiday costs fall by 20% is the headline in the Express.


The paper claims summer breaks in Europe are now the cheapest


Don't forget, you can see the front pages of the papers online


Let's begin with that Sun headline. Laura Hughes, take us to the


coverage of this bomb dropped in Afghanistan? So, this is the largest


non-nuclear bomb that America has ever used. During his presidential


campaign, Donald Trump spoke about how he was going to protect


America's's interests, and not really intervene around the world.


But this is the second incident in two weeks showing that maybe that is


not the case. This maybe is a warning to North Korea, Iran, Syria,


that America is taking things really seriously now. And they are


prepared, Donald Trump is prepared, to go further than George Bush, he


never used these weapons, and also President Obama. May be questions


for Donald Trump supporters, who voted for him in the hope that


America might take a step back from dealing in these kind of issues. Is


that how you see it? Absolutely, it is the largest bomb that has been


dropped since blagger hour. Apparently it has caused a lot of


consternation within the warring factions in the White House. Steve


Bannon, his notoriously hawkish adviser, was apparently advising


against attacking Syria last week. I'm not sure he will be that happy


about this, either. Because the campaign was all about America


first, isolationist in the world sought itself out. But dropping the


largest bomb ever of a non-nuclear variety, is NOT not getting involved


in the rest of the world! It shows how unpredictable Trump is, and that


will make other nations nervous. If Russia and Iran and Syria thought,


we can do anything, he doesn't want to intervene, I think this is


showing that that's not the case. The target we are told, Caves hiding


IS fighters. But this is a device weighing more than 21,000lb. Yeah,


it is even heavier than me, it is a really big bomb. But I can sort of


understand why they dropped it on those caves. I remember the American


special forces after 911 had a heck of a time trying to find Osama bin


Laden, who was hiding in the caves in the correct. And in fact they


never found him" because it was such a labyrinthine network of places


which he knew about and enabled him to evade his pursuers. But some


people might say, it is taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut. Laura


Hughes, prisons are not for punishment, this is a quote taken


from a document about the role played by prisons? Yes. This is the


prisons and courts bill. This is the definition of what prison means. And


they have taken out the word punishment, which brings up the


whole question of what they are for. We know that the prison system is


under pressure and it seems to be failing. It seems to be failing


prisoners who go on to reoffend. We have seen massive cuts, this is the


old argument, what is prison for? If you look at countries across Europe,


the Netherlands and Sweden, they have got a bit of a crisis, in that


they can't fill prison cells. That is because they have taken a policy


of rehabilitation. So, when somebody goes into in the Netherlands or in


Sweden, they concentrate on getting them Rhys Gill. What we are seeing


is that reoffending rates are rising, crime levels are rising,


something is clearly not working. And this subtle removal of the word


perhaps signifies the direction of this government and what they want


to do and how they want to reform the justice system in this country


bridge be working. Liz Truss will be at used by some of going soft? I


would say it is a badge of honour for her that she is being attacked


by Mick Davies, the Tory MP. He's at using her of being one of the


liberal lefties, as he puts it. I don't know what are the sort of


lefties there are full stop it is a weird phrase. According to Mr


Davies, he says people having their freedom taken away is a punishment


in itself. Too many people, it is not. I really can't disagree with


that more. As you said, Laura, the point of prison is to stop people


going back in prison. Figures show that if prisoners go on


rehabilitation programmes and have education, taught music, drama,


dropped by 20% or more. We don't dropped by 20% or more. We don't


want people to go back to prison. If we are treating them like students


in a school of crime, and some of them here have been pictured


drinking alcohol and taking drugs, and even frying steaks, they're


never going to reform them. It talks about what the victims of some of


those criminal acts want to see done to the perpetrators. Of course there


is an element of retribution, and that's quite right, particularly if


you have been the victim of a terrible crime. However, if you want


that person not to commit that crime again, I would argue that you should


be treating them as potential reformees rather than as potential


criminals. Or as people who have been failed at some point in their


life. The question is, why are they there? Inside, this is Justine


Greening's views on grammar schools? Yes. I think Justine Greening in


many ways is an impressive minister, but she was with John Humphrys this


morning, trying to define what it means, ordinary working families.


The phrase makes my skin creep. What does ordinary means? It has smacked


of patronising, I think. And also, it seems to exclude the very


disadvantaged, because it's people with a household income of around 30


3000. There are many people unfortunately are much less than


that. Is she saying she's only going to be interested in those people,


give them this supposedly up, and she is declining to say whether they


would be quotas? If she does want to change the class, if you like, all


those people who are admitted? That is the point, how do you redefine


policy to be seen through? And she policy to be seen through? And she


would not go that far this morning, when she was pushed! She said, we


will be setting it out in the white paper in due course. But something


is going to have to change. If you have grammar schools, often it


becomes a more affluent area, and it pushes people out. So children from


poorer families aren't living in the areas where they would have access


to grammar schools. If you have a bit of money, and you know there is


probably try and move there to send probably try and move there to send


your child there. And if you can afford to do so, you will then pay


for tutoring. That is the argument. The criticism of this policy, of


Labour, and of the teaching unions, is that actually we are seeing huge


cuts in schools, shouldn't we be focusing on putting more money into


the state system instead of building a whole new raft of new schools,


when the ones we've got already aren't doing the job they are meant


to be doing? Good points, yes. Let's take the front page of the


Independent, this picture of President Assad, the interview he


has done nearly he has gone arguably further than he has gone before, in


suggesting that the attack that we have all seen pictures of didn't


happen at all. I thought I could no longer be horrified by President


Assad, but I was when I saw this interview today. I was genuinely


shocked that he should claim it's fake news, and the outrageous


suggestion that somehow these children were pretending to be dead.


I think that's absolutely disgusting that he said that and I'm not saying


that I have the to that problem, but he is clearly, in my eyes, not the


solution. It's such a vile man and he has created such misery, half a


million people have been killed, half the population has been turned


into refugees. He is an absolute monster, as President Trump said the


other day, and today's interview only confirm that. In the Daily


Telegraph today, we are now referring to him as Assad, not Mr


Assad. Really? And that is something we only do for criminals. That's


very interesting. The Times, two stories I want to mention, Facebook?


The Times have been really going on this, and rightfully so. They


reported to Facebook that they could see inappropriate images of


children, child abuse, on Facebook, alerted the organisation to these


images, and yet they still were not reviewed. The NSPCC today are


calling for there to be a statutory code of conduct, so that these


social networking sites have to comply with certain standards. At


the moment, it seems they are making up the rules and constantly being


alerted and not taking action. You sense pressure is growing along


these lines? You do, and it plays to the idea that the internet to a


degree is still the wild west and that people do what they like and


think they can get away with it. Louise Haig, the shadow digital


minister, has written to Facebook saying that she thinks their


reporting regime is obviously flawed and has multiple failures. And


certainly the evidence uncovered by The Times and the NSPCC would back


that up. The other story on The Times front page is this drug


giant's secret plan to destroy cancer medicine...? I sound like I


made chuntering kernel from royal Tunbridge Wells, but I am very


shocked by this story as well! You're going to be constantly


shocked by everything we have! I am really shocked by this, the


allegation is that a drugs company has been possibly deliberately


hiking the price, and even, it is suggested, destroying a life-saving


drug, in order to facilitate a 4000% price-wise on a cancer drug. I find


that truly horrendous. I think it was that 4000% figure which struck


you both, Laura? Yes. It's just... It is truly horrifying, and there is


actually a lot in the paper that you want to get through. They have got a


printout of the e-mails. It is quite an extensive investigation? They


have done a good job. It says, I think the only option would be to


donate or destroy the stock. The e-mail ends, let's celebrate. It's


pretty sickening. But are other companies doing this? After 20


years, I think other companies cannot even buy the patent of a


drug, and therefore the competition has gone, and they can set the


prices. I believe there is some legislation going through Parliament


now which will allow the Government to intervene and make prices lower


if they think they are excessive. In the interests of fairness, the


company in question, the chief executive has said this, and I


quote... The price rises were at levels appropriate to promote


long-term, sustainable supply to patients and had been increased


from, quote, a very low and unsustainable base. You both seem


keen to talk about this, life on Saturn, possibly, from the Daily


Mail! Can you sing it to the tune of life on Mars?! No, actually! Even


with the quake and on the piano, that would be difficult. That's a


joke for the older viewers! Straight over my head! This is one of


Saturn's I icy moons. Called Enceladus. It sounds like a Rick


Wakeman album! They have found all the right elements, the water, the


ice, geothermal activity... They will find a shopping centre there!


With abandoned trolleys - in the icy Lake! I find it hard to get worked


up about this. We have got Nasa saying it is a new frontier. But


there is so much going on on our planet that I'm worried about. We


have got Mr Trump cropping the have got Mr Trump cropping the


largest bomb since the Second World War. The fact that there is an icy


like on Saturn... Mind you, if there was life on Saturn, that could be a


nice distraction. Talking of nice destructions, we have 30 seconds to


talk takes, break-off, Channel 4, etc? I love the fact that somehow


the Daily Telegraph has managed to concoct a row about it already. This


is massive, because the scrums are the Cornish fashion, which is jam


before Queen, and of course, that is heresy, if you are from Devon. --


jam before cream. And I don't think he has overstated this at all! Have


you got a strong view on it, Laura? It is jam on cream. So I think I am


Cornish on this one! I'm very glad that we're discussing this when the


world is being systematically destroyed! And possible life on


Saturn. , but there is nothing so important as the Devon versus


Cornwall scone row. Don't forget, you can see the front


pages of the papers online


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