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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be

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With me are Laura Perrins, co-editor of political site,

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The conservative Women, and Joe Watts, political editor

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"Stunned Britain heads to the polls," is the i's headline,

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after the Prime Minister called for a snap election in seven weeks.

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The Daily Mail says Theresa May has called the bluff of what the paper

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describes as, "The game-playing remoaners."

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It says the PM has vowed to crush the saboteurs.

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The Metro says the Prime Minister is seeking to strengthen her hand

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Meanwhile, the Daily Mirror calls to mind the famous Margaret Thatcher

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quote, saying apparently, "The lady is for U-turning."

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The FT leads with the economic implications of the upcoming vote

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and reports a rise in the pound in hopes of a softer EU departure.

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The Times speculates that Theresa May is on course to win

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a majority of more than 100 in the June snap election.

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Meanwhile, the Guardian criticises the announcement,

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saying it came despite the Prime Minister's previous

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And finally, the Telegraph has an exclusive article

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by the Prime Minister, in which she says a snap election

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is the only way to ensure Brexit success.

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We're gonna start with the i, and we had Brenda from Bristol in a lot of

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reports saying, oh, no, not again, not another election. There might be

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some fatigue. I also think Brenda is privileged to live in a country with

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democratic elections. If she doesn't like elections, she should move to

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North Korea. I can't believe it. People will go

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to the polls, yes, not everyone follows as closely as you and I

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would. No, no one does. If you don't want to vote, you don't have to. You

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take the manifesto as a whole, you see what is in Britain's best

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interest, and a huge majority will return the Conservatives to victory

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on June the eighth. Well, we'll see. The country is stunned. I mean, the

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referendum, the election in 2015, we have had two assembly elections in

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Northern Ireland, that's a lot. It is but it will be interesting to

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look at the 2015 election when people said that candidates looked

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at the same and they couldn't see the difference. Look at the turnout

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of this election, where there are clear different characters at the

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top of each parties. On top of that, the overarching issue that everyone

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has a view on everyone was shocked by when the referendum came out on

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June the 23rd. And everyone feels like it's unfinished business and

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they want to have a say on it. You've got different political

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parties with different stances. The Tories going hard for pro Brexit.

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The Lib Dems are a party of Remain. You will see everyone may be

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crossing party lines to stop Brexit, maybe challenging what they thought

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they knew about politics. I think it will be an interesting debate. It

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won't be allowed to go on for too long. It will be tight and compact

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before the eighth of June. It will be a few weeks before the local

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elections. Would it have been possible to have them on the same

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day? I think there was a deadline for that. OK. Or they chose to miss

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it. It will be interesting to see... It will be interesting to see at the

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local elections how good of an indication it gives us for the

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general election. It is thought to be the case that Labour will lose

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lots of seats in the local elections. They are focusing on Tory

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areas. Maybe it didn't escape CCHQ. You write for Conservative Woman,

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the website. This suggestion was Theresa May is cautious, deliberate,

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thinks before she makes a decision. She said on several occasions this

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wasn't gonna happen. There would be no election before 2020. Knowing her

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and the Conservatives, are you surprised by the move? No one woke

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up this morning thinking, Theresa May is going to call an election on

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the steps of Downing Street at 11am today, so obviously there was an

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element of surprise to it. However, I genuinely think it is the right

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decision and it is in Britain's interest. In terms of motive and why

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she called it, yes, it's true, at the beginning she said, you know,

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I'm not going to the polls, the country needs clarity and stability

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and predictability. I think she underestimated the amount of

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opposition and antidemocratic feeling from the Remain team, who

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had already lost the referendum and clearly seemed to say, well, we're

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going to ignore it and try to scupper the deal as much as

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possible. That is including people from her own party, those I called

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the rebels without a clue. In terms of why, you have asked a question,

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why, you are allowed to change your mind. This isn't a soliloquy, we

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need Joe to come in on this! LAUGHTER the issue is she didn't

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know the opposition she would get from the House of Lords, the rebels

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without a clue, the Remainiacs. Laura! Elected politicians,

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democratically elected politicians, can give antidemocratic feeling

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despite doing their jobs as democratically elected... The

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referendum was a clear result. Your version of why she went for this was

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thoroughly on message - she's going to be very proud of it. You don't

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really know, Joe, more than I know. Normally the simplest answer is the

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right answer. In this case it became clear that she wasn't going to get

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exactly what she wanted to get. She might have had to compromise a

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little bit, God forbid. And, of course, over the tantalising polls,

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saying, you can do what you want, it'll be closer to the Royal

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prerogative powers you wanted to use to trigger Article 50 of the first

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place. I think what we see is Theresa May isn't someone who will

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stick to the principled position all the time. Like other politicians,

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she will be an opportunist when there is an opportunity to get

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political advantage. OK, I have just shooshed Laura, because I want the

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next paper, we are living that one, the Daily Telegraph, May's bolt from

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the blue. She wants to strengthen her hand, once she gets the

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legislation through parliament, she had a mandate, she had the strong

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hand she needed - she didn't need to do this. This is about her own

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party, isn't it, silencing people on the back who could make this

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difficult for her? The rebels without a clue who want to go

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against the will of the people, yes. If she wants a clear mandate, to get

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the best deal for Britain, she was right to go to the polls. She has a

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slim majority in Westminster, she doesn't have a very strong majority

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as she would want. And what it comes down to is how the negotiations are

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going to go with Brussels. This is the issue when it comes to what is

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in the national interest. When it comes to negotiations, appearance is

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everything. So, the stronger she looks when going into negotiations,

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going into those negotiations, the better it is for everybody else -

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the better it is for ordinary working families in Britain. From

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small negotiations to be deals, if the opposition know that you are

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coming from a position of strength, then you yourself will get a better

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deal. And I think she needs that mandate, she needs to go to Brussels

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said in my entire country is behind me and don't mess around with me,

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because I'm going to get the best deal I can. OK, Joe. It could work

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both ways for her. Look, she doesn't have a big majority. If she gets a

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majority, that will make it easy for her to pass legislation,

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theoretically. Going into negotiations in Brussels, how strong

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the hand is depends on who is elected to the seats, if she wins

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lots in the next election. If it is 100 Lauras elected, then they will

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be able to hold her hostage in those negotiations. I would wager that

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Theresa May isn't as hard a Brexiteer as some on her benches

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are, but if is push her, she will be held hostage in Brussels, which

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won't strengthen her hand. The Daily Mirror, the lady is for the U-turn.

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Can she be trusted, now the she says one thing one minute and something

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else the next? Are you serious? I am serious! She said a while ago - let

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me finish - the facts changed and so she changed her mind. The facts

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change in terms of how easy it would be to get this through and the House

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of Lords, so she changed her mind and she is entitled to do that. You

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cannot on the one hand say, oh, well, she doesn't have a personal

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mandate, she hasn't ever been elected personally, then on the

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other hand when she calls an election you say, oh, she is doing

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it for her interest. Do you trust her, Joe? I was being flippant.

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Look, she has definitely, I would suggest, put forward a very, very

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strong position for months and months and months and has quickly

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turned around on that. She has suggested it is a reluctant U-turn.

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There is an element of contingency to this. They were telling

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journalists that this would not happen while preparations were going

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on. You don't know that. They would have told me and other journalists.

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It might have been a very quick decision. We know that there were

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preparations. They were making preparations. They were doing

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preparations last month in autumn. This idea that she is walking in

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Wales, she had an epiphany that she would have an election, it doesn't

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really hold. It is the fresh air, man, it gets to all of us.

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She is a very clever politician. She is not there through luck. She is

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entitled to play a political tack. It is not her fault that Labour are

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rubbish. OK. All right. Let's get onto Labour. The Metro. The Brexit

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election, that is what is as saying it is all about. But that is not

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what Labour want. Because as Laura has indicated, they are a little bit

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all over the shop when it comes to Brexit. That goes back to Laura's

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point about labour being in a spot of trouble. Brexit is a key point in

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that. -- one. Kerry -- Jeremy Corbyn and his supporters

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wanted him to give full-fledged support to the remain campaign. And

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he could not bring himself to do it. Now they are not seen that they want

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to stop Brexit, but what the government to account for it. It is

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not clear which side they come down on. Emilie Fournel is said to me

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they had not picked a side on Brexit. So they are still sort of

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all over the place in terms of where they want to be. The Lib Dems are

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very pro- remain. They beat Zach Goldmans and they want to do it and

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overseas. -- Goldsmith. The Tories are taking a harder line. Part of

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the reason we are in this situation is because of UKIP will stop much as

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their campaigning, but also the threat that they pose to the

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Conservative Party. Laura, do you see them as a real threat now?

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Unending so. The parties are strong enough and I think Nigel Farage was

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such a big part of the UKIP brand. Without him, I think they will

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struggle. Especially as Brexit has been secured in terms of leaving the

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EU, how will look of courses be risen to the election in the first

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place. I think is a will be working hard to get some of those you get

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votes back. -- is the reason for. I did indeed do a U-turn, perhaps you

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could say. There is a lot to play for forgeries are made. I know the

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polls are saying she is way out ahead, but I think you should always

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triples cautiously. And it is not a matter of winning. It is a matter of

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getting a big majority to move forward. I think a lot of those UKIP

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votes will be up for grabs as long as she is clear on what her Brexit

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strategy will be. All right. The Daily Express. Both me and I will

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deliver EU exit. Theresa May smashing it once and for all. At

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some of that positions from her own backbenchers? Yes. Several papers

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have gone with this line of Theresa May crashing the rebels and her

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party. So we have a group in the Commons, a handful, with the small

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majority she has, you only need that much to make things difficult.

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People like Nicky Morgan, Neil Carmichael, comical green. These are

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very respected people in the Tory party and people who carry a lot of

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weight amongst the people who will remain Tories. -- Dominic Green.

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People who are liberal Tories or who do not necessarily trust is a not to

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be controlled by the right wing Brexiteer group. So she has

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specifically pointed at them. She is pointed to the Lib Dems and Labour

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as well as groups who want to scupper her vision of Brexit. She is

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now sticking her standard down and saying enough is enough. Laura,

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would you want to see a defined explanation of what Brexit is, what

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it means, Howard is going affect this country in the manifesto? --

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how it is. I think there should be. She has said you cannot set out a

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negotiating position before you head into negotiations. Obviously a

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certain extent that is true. But if she is going to the people and

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saying give me a mandate for Brexit, you do at least need to say, as

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Brexit has already been secured, what exactly you are voting for.

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Should she said as a hard Brexit? There is no such thing as a hard

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Brexit or soft Brexit. That is just lingo. Should she say that if we do

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not get the deal we want, we will leave the single market? Yes.

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Absolutely. And that he/she has to indicate that if we do not get a

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deal that is in Britain's interest, we are willing to walk away and fall

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back on WTO rules. Do you want that in the manifesto? Are you sure? If

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you are going... She is called the election for a reason. She cannot

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just go and hedge bets and be modelled about it. I'm not saying

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what she will do. But this is what I think she should do. -- has called.

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But will she put in there the promised to make immigration fall to

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less than 100,000, to be tens of thousands? That is sunning she do

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and has said is still an ambition of the government. It is something that

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everyone knows is a completely discredited target, even our own

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Brexiteer Tory ministers, Liam Fox, Boris Johnson, they will all against

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certain elements of it. They think student should be taken out of the

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targets. Then there is a lot of division across this particular

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point. And she is promised at up to this point. If that is not in there,

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I would direct every Brexit voting member of the public to say... And

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that includes you, Laura. I would be saying is this not the government

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are ditching a key policy? To make immigration fall to that level. No,

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the immigration level, let us be clear. Some people voted for Brexit

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for different reasons. That I will acknowledge. Mine was the democratic

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deficit. My thought was that you did not have too surrender so is power

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to Brussels. It was a broad coalition as many of these issues

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are. She is not obliged to name figures. The main issue with the

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immigration thing is that the immigration numbers and now dictated

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by Westminster. The immigration policy is dictated by Westminster,

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and not by Brussels. So she does not necessarily, and in fact this is a

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to get rid of it, because she does not know what businesses need. She

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does not know what the NHS needs. The beauty about leaving the

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European Union, now is that you choose your own immigration policy.

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-- European Union, now,. If she goes out and says immigration will be the

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same level, but we will be deciding it will be the same level, that a

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lot of Brexit voting members of the public will see that as a betrayal.

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Moving on, the Daily Mail, trust the saboteurs. -- crush. Yet some people

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are the Conservative Party who were trying to hold up the Democrat will

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of the people. The Democrat will of the people? That is the most

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overused phrase. -- democratic. They have a great picture that on the

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Daily Mail of that test their Bell -- death stare. If the majority is

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not big enough after the selection, if it does not really outstripped

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the 17 or so that she has now, then the Lords will still feel emboldened

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to add this to her legislation, called votes on things that she does

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not want votes called on. So there is still that potential to stymie

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her plans even after the election. Sure. On the front page of the Sun,

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the snap election will kill off Labour, according to Sun. Blue

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murder. She will smash rebel Tories. I should say that John Woodcock has

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said that he cannot endorse Jeremy Corbyn as the next promised. This is

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a labour MP. -- Labour. He says there is still time for Jeremy

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Corbyn to stand down as Labour leader before the general election.

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There must be serious panic now in Labour Heesh Q. They are all seeing

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that the Lib Dems are in a stronger position than they are. They don't

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know what their own position is. -- HQ. The Lib Dems are very happy with

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this and hope it will kill off Labour and the Tory rebels. I think

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that some say this is choice between Theresa May's vision for the country

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and Jeremy Corbyn's vision for the country. I will take that. I think

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that the majority of the British public would much prefer Theresa

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May's over Jeremy Corbyn, which would draw us into a socialist

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hellhole. Once you swim through the quagmire that is Brexit, what you

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have is a hard left leader wanting to lead a hard left party, who...

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Jeremy Corbyn is to let us and party! Let's not forget what is at

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stake here! Is Jeremy Corbyn was in charge of Britain, God knows what

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would happen. I want to come in at the end there and say Tony Blair was

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picked up in a few papers suggesting people should cross party lines, in

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his words, to vote to stop a hard Brexit. So there is maybe a message

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that labour voters that if you want to stop Brexit, other parties might

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be the way to go. -- Labour. Theresa May has fought an election landslide

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here in the Times. Laura, she doesn't want to take part in

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debates, though? If you are that far ahead, seemingly, what is the

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problem? I think she say she does not want to take part in debates

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because she was to get out on the ground and meet voters, meet people

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who... That is one way of looking at. I am not a big fan. -- at it.

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They are to presidential one we have general elections like this. I did

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was brought in by Tony Blair. It is egomaniacal. So they don't have a TV

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debate, IP she is entitled to say no. I personally do not like TV

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debates. -- I think she. Nevertheless, the fact that she is

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not willing to do it speaks to two points. One, that she does not feel

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that she would be up to it, or her team does not, and secondly, that...

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You've got it. Say it. OK, we will leader there. It has been

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-- it has been great speaking to you. Don't forget all the front

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