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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be


With me are Laura Perrins, co-editor of political site,


The conservative Women, and Joe Watts, political editor


"Stunned Britain heads to the polls," is the i's headline,


after the Prime Minister called for a snap election in seven weeks.


The Daily Mail says Theresa May has called the bluff of what the paper


describes as, "The game-playing remoaners."


It says the PM has vowed to crush the saboteurs.


The Metro says the Prime Minister is seeking to strengthen her hand


Meanwhile, the Daily Mirror calls to mind the famous Margaret Thatcher


quote, saying apparently, "The lady is for U-turning."


The FT leads with the economic implications of the upcoming vote


and reports a rise in the pound in hopes of a softer EU departure.


The Times speculates that Theresa May is on course to win


a majority of more than 100 in the June snap election.


Meanwhile, the Guardian criticises the announcement,


saying it came despite the Prime Minister's previous


And finally, the Telegraph has an exclusive article


by the Prime Minister, in which she says a snap election


is the only way to ensure Brexit success.


We're gonna start with the i, and we had Brenda from Bristol in a lot of


reports saying, oh, no, not again, not another election. There might be


some fatigue. I also think Brenda is privileged to live in a country with


democratic elections. If she doesn't like elections, she should move to


North Korea. I can't believe it. People will go


to the polls, yes, not everyone follows as closely as you and I


would. No, no one does. If you don't want to vote, you don't have to. You


take the manifesto as a whole, you see what is in Britain's best


interest, and a huge majority will return the Conservatives to victory


on June the eighth. Well, we'll see. The country is stunned. I mean, the


referendum, the election in 2015, we have had two assembly elections in


Northern Ireland, that's a lot. It is but it will be interesting to


look at the 2015 election when people said that candidates looked


at the same and they couldn't see the difference. Look at the turnout


of this election, where there are clear different characters at the


top of each parties. On top of that, the overarching issue that everyone


has a view on everyone was shocked by when the referendum came out on


June the 23rd. And everyone feels like it's unfinished business and


they want to have a say on it. You've got different political


parties with different stances. The Tories going hard for pro Brexit.


The Lib Dems are a party of Remain. You will see everyone may be


crossing party lines to stop Brexit, maybe challenging what they thought


they knew about politics. I think it will be an interesting debate. It


won't be allowed to go on for too long. It will be tight and compact


before the eighth of June. It will be a few weeks before the local


elections. Would it have been possible to have them on the same


day? I think there was a deadline for that. OK. Or they chose to miss


it. It will be interesting to see... It will be interesting to see at the


local elections how good of an indication it gives us for the


general election. It is thought to be the case that Labour will lose


lots of seats in the local elections. They are focusing on Tory


areas. Maybe it didn't escape CCHQ. You write for Conservative Woman,


the website. This suggestion was Theresa May is cautious, deliberate,


thinks before she makes a decision. She said on several occasions this


wasn't gonna happen. There would be no election before 2020. Knowing her


and the Conservatives, are you surprised by the move? No one woke


up this morning thinking, Theresa May is going to call an election on


the steps of Downing Street at 11am today, so obviously there was an


element of surprise to it. However, I genuinely think it is the right


decision and it is in Britain's interest. In terms of motive and why


she called it, yes, it's true, at the beginning she said, you know,


I'm not going to the polls, the country needs clarity and stability


and predictability. I think she underestimated the amount of


opposition and antidemocratic feeling from the Remain team, who


had already lost the referendum and clearly seemed to say, well, we're


going to ignore it and try to scupper the deal as much as


possible. That is including people from her own party, those I called


the rebels without a clue. In terms of why, you have asked a question,


why, you are allowed to change your mind. This isn't a soliloquy, we


need Joe to come in on this! LAUGHTER the issue is she didn't


know the opposition she would get from the House of Lords, the rebels


without a clue, the Remainiacs. Laura! Elected politicians,


democratically elected politicians, can give antidemocratic feeling


despite doing their jobs as democratically elected... The


referendum was a clear result. Your version of why she went for this was


thoroughly on message - she's going to be very proud of it. You don't


really know, Joe, more than I know. Normally the simplest answer is the


right answer. In this case it became clear that she wasn't going to get


exactly what she wanted to get. She might have had to compromise a


little bit, God forbid. And, of course, over the tantalising polls,


saying, you can do what you want, it'll be closer to the Royal


prerogative powers you wanted to use to trigger Article 50 of the first


place. I think what we see is Theresa May isn't someone who will


stick to the principled position all the time. Like other politicians,


she will be an opportunist when there is an opportunity to get


political advantage. OK, I have just shooshed Laura, because I want the


next paper, we are living that one, the Daily Telegraph, May's bolt from


the blue. She wants to strengthen her hand, once she gets the


legislation through parliament, she had a mandate, she had the strong


hand she needed - she didn't need to do this. This is about her own


party, isn't it, silencing people on the back who could make this


difficult for her? The rebels without a clue who want to go


against the will of the people, yes. If she wants a clear mandate, to get


the best deal for Britain, she was right to go to the polls. She has a


slim majority in Westminster, she doesn't have a very strong majority


as she would want. And what it comes down to is how the negotiations are


going to go with Brussels. This is the issue when it comes to what is


in the national interest. When it comes to negotiations, appearance is


everything. So, the stronger she looks when going into negotiations,


going into those negotiations, the better it is for everybody else -


the better it is for ordinary working families in Britain. From


small negotiations to be deals, if the opposition know that you are


coming from a position of strength, then you yourself will get a better


deal. And I think she needs that mandate, she needs to go to Brussels


said in my entire country is behind me and don't mess around with me,


because I'm going to get the best deal I can. OK, Joe. It could work


both ways for her. Look, she doesn't have a big majority. If she gets a


majority, that will make it easy for her to pass legislation,


theoretically. Going into negotiations in Brussels, how strong


the hand is depends on who is elected to the seats, if she wins


lots in the next election. If it is 100 Lauras elected, then they will


be able to hold her hostage in those negotiations. I would wager that


Theresa May isn't as hard a Brexiteer as some on her benches


are, but if is push her, she will be held hostage in Brussels, which


won't strengthen her hand. The Daily Mirror, the lady is for the U-turn.


Can she be trusted, now the she says one thing one minute and something


else the next? Are you serious? I am serious! She said a while ago - let


me finish - the facts changed and so she changed her mind. The facts


change in terms of how easy it would be to get this through and the House


of Lords, so she changed her mind and she is entitled to do that. You


cannot on the one hand say, oh, well, she doesn't have a personal


mandate, she hasn't ever been elected personally, then on the


other hand when she calls an election you say, oh, she is doing


it for her interest. Do you trust her, Joe? I was being flippant.


Look, she has definitely, I would suggest, put forward a very, very


strong position for months and months and months and has quickly


turned around on that. She has suggested it is a reluctant U-turn.


There is an element of contingency to this. They were telling


journalists that this would not happen while preparations were going


on. You don't know that. They would have told me and other journalists.


It might have been a very quick decision. We know that there were


preparations. They were making preparations. They were doing


preparations last month in autumn. This idea that she is walking in


Wales, she had an epiphany that she would have an election, it doesn't


really hold. It is the fresh air, man, it gets to all of us.


She is a very clever politician. She is not there through luck. She is


entitled to play a political tack. It is not her fault that Labour are


rubbish. OK. All right. Let's get onto Labour. The Metro. The Brexit


election, that is what is as saying it is all about. But that is not


what Labour want. Because as Laura has indicated, they are a little bit


all over the shop when it comes to Brexit. That goes back to Laura's


point about labour being in a spot of trouble. Brexit is a key point in


that. -- one. Kerry -- Jeremy Corbyn and his supporters


wanted him to give full-fledged support to the remain campaign. And


he could not bring himself to do it. Now they are not seen that they want


to stop Brexit, but what the government to account for it. It is


not clear which side they come down on. Emilie Fournel is said to me


they had not picked a side on Brexit. So they are still sort of


all over the place in terms of where they want to be. The Lib Dems are


very pro- remain. They beat Zach Goldmans and they want to do it and


overseas. -- Goldsmith. The Tories are taking a harder line. Part of


the reason we are in this situation is because of UKIP will stop much as


their campaigning, but also the threat that they pose to the


Conservative Party. Laura, do you see them as a real threat now?


Unending so. The parties are strong enough and I think Nigel Farage was


such a big part of the UKIP brand. Without him, I think they will


struggle. Especially as Brexit has been secured in terms of leaving the


EU, how will look of courses be risen to the election in the first


place. I think is a will be working hard to get some of those you get


votes back. -- is the reason for. I did indeed do a U-turn, perhaps you


could say. There is a lot to play for forgeries are made. I know the


polls are saying she is way out ahead, but I think you should always


triples cautiously. And it is not a matter of winning. It is a matter of


getting a big majority to move forward. I think a lot of those UKIP


votes will be up for grabs as long as she is clear on what her Brexit


strategy will be. All right. The Daily Express. Both me and I will


deliver EU exit. Theresa May smashing it once and for all. At


some of that positions from her own backbenchers? Yes. Several papers


have gone with this line of Theresa May crashing the rebels and her


party. So we have a group in the Commons, a handful, with the small


majority she has, you only need that much to make things difficult.


People like Nicky Morgan, Neil Carmichael, comical green. These are


very respected people in the Tory party and people who carry a lot of


weight amongst the people who will remain Tories. -- Dominic Green.


People who are liberal Tories or who do not necessarily trust is a not to


be controlled by the right wing Brexiteer group. So she has


specifically pointed at them. She is pointed to the Lib Dems and Labour


as well as groups who want to scupper her vision of Brexit. She is


now sticking her standard down and saying enough is enough. Laura,


would you want to see a defined explanation of what Brexit is, what


it means, Howard is going affect this country in the manifesto? --


how it is. I think there should be. She has said you cannot set out a


negotiating position before you head into negotiations. Obviously a


certain extent that is true. But if she is going to the people and


saying give me a mandate for Brexit, you do at least need to say, as


Brexit has already been secured, what exactly you are voting for.


Should she said as a hard Brexit? There is no such thing as a hard


Brexit or soft Brexit. That is just lingo. Should she say that if we do


not get the deal we want, we will leave the single market? Yes.


Absolutely. And that he/she has to indicate that if we do not get a


deal that is in Britain's interest, we are willing to walk away and fall


back on WTO rules. Do you want that in the manifesto? Are you sure? If


you are going... She is called the election for a reason. She cannot


just go and hedge bets and be modelled about it. I'm not saying


what she will do. But this is what I think she should do. -- has called.


But will she put in there the promised to make immigration fall to


less than 100,000, to be tens of thousands? That is sunning she do


and has said is still an ambition of the government. It is something that


everyone knows is a completely discredited target, even our own


Brexiteer Tory ministers, Liam Fox, Boris Johnson, they will all against


certain elements of it. They think student should be taken out of the


targets. Then there is a lot of division across this particular


point. And she is promised at up to this point. If that is not in there,


I would direct every Brexit voting member of the public to say... And


that includes you, Laura. I would be saying is this not the government


are ditching a key policy? To make immigration fall to that level. No,


the immigration level, let us be clear. Some people voted for Brexit


for different reasons. That I will acknowledge. Mine was the democratic


deficit. My thought was that you did not have too surrender so is power


to Brussels. It was a broad coalition as many of these issues


are. She is not obliged to name figures. The main issue with the


immigration thing is that the immigration numbers and now dictated


by Westminster. The immigration policy is dictated by Westminster,


and not by Brussels. So she does not necessarily, and in fact this is a


to get rid of it, because she does not know what businesses need. She


does not know what the NHS needs. The beauty about leaving the


European Union, now is that you choose your own immigration policy.


-- European Union, now,. If she goes out and says immigration will be the


same level, but we will be deciding it will be the same level, that a


lot of Brexit voting members of the public will see that as a betrayal.


Moving on, the Daily Mail, trust the saboteurs. -- crush. Yet some people


are the Conservative Party who were trying to hold up the Democrat will


of the people. The Democrat will of the people? That is the most


overused phrase. -- democratic. They have a great picture that on the


Daily Mail of that test their Bell -- death stare. If the majority is


not big enough after the selection, if it does not really outstripped


the 17 or so that she has now, then the Lords will still feel emboldened


to add this to her legislation, called votes on things that she does


not want votes called on. So there is still that potential to stymie


her plans even after the election. Sure. On the front page of the Sun,


the snap election will kill off Labour, according to Sun. Blue


murder. She will smash rebel Tories. I should say that John Woodcock has


said that he cannot endorse Jeremy Corbyn as the next promised. This is


a labour MP. -- Labour. He says there is still time for Jeremy


Corbyn to stand down as Labour leader before the general election.


There must be serious panic now in Labour Heesh Q. They are all seeing


that the Lib Dems are in a stronger position than they are. They don't


know what their own position is. -- HQ. The Lib Dems are very happy with


this and hope it will kill off Labour and the Tory rebels. I think


that some say this is choice between Theresa May's vision for the country


and Jeremy Corbyn's vision for the country. I will take that. I think


that the majority of the British public would much prefer Theresa


May's over Jeremy Corbyn, which would draw us into a socialist


hellhole. Once you swim through the quagmire that is Brexit, what you


have is a hard left leader wanting to lead a hard left party, who...


Jeremy Corbyn is to let us and party! Let's not forget what is at


stake here! Is Jeremy Corbyn was in charge of Britain, God knows what


would happen. I want to come in at the end there and say Tony Blair was


picked up in a few papers suggesting people should cross party lines, in


his words, to vote to stop a hard Brexit. So there is maybe a message


that labour voters that if you want to stop Brexit, other parties might


be the way to go. -- Labour. Theresa May has fought an election landslide


here in the Times. Laura, she doesn't want to take part in


debates, though? If you are that far ahead, seemingly, what is the


problem? I think she say she does not want to take part in debates


because she was to get out on the ground and meet voters, meet people


who... That is one way of looking at. I am not a big fan. -- at it.


They are to presidential one we have general elections like this. I did


was brought in by Tony Blair. It is egomaniacal. So they don't have a TV


debate, IP she is entitled to say no. I personally do not like TV


debates. -- I think she. Nevertheless, the fact that she is


not willing to do it speaks to two points. One, that she does not feel


that she would be up to it, or her team does not, and secondly, that...


You've got it. Say it. OK, we will leader there. It has been


-- it has been great speaking to you. Don't forget all the front


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