04/06/2017 The Papers


04/06/2017

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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be

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With me are the political commentator, James Millar

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and Jo Phillips, who's also a political commentator.

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Of course, there is only one story we will be looking at.

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a counter-terrorism chief refuses to confirm whether the attackers

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were were already known to the police or intelligence services.

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The FT focuses on Theresa May's plans to review existing police

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and security powers, increase pressure on tech companies

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and introduce tougher anti-terror laws.

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The Telegraph claims counter-terrorism officers have been

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monitoring an alleged extremist cell in Barking since March and secretly

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recorded individuals plotting a van and knife attack in London.

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Quoting Mrs May's phrase that "Enough is Enough",

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the Express vows to support the Prime Minister's plans

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for what it calls "tougher action on terrorists".

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The Mail also leads with that quote from Mrs May, adding that

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all of Britain was echoing her sentiments.

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The Mirror leads with the heroes of last night.

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It said policeman and members of the public fought off

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the attackers with batons, chairs, glasses and their bare hands.

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Police fired an "unprecedented" 50 bullets at the attackers to bring

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them down within eight minutes, the Metro says.

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And the i calls the police and public response "defiant"

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It has been an incredibly fraught and a difficult 24 hours for a lot

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of people but the response from the public and police has been hailed by

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so many people. The Guardian leads with the numbers- seven dead. And

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Mrs May saying, "Enough is enough" "Enough is enough". Despite what has

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been happening in the last few months, it is a very unusual sight

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for us to see armed officers on our streets. Coming here tonight, there

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were police officers all over the place. I came over Westminster

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Bridge. Police vans. London Bridge still cordoned off. And to see

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police officers dressed like this is an alarming as well as reassuring

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but the question is, you cannot have that all the time. You can do it for

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a little while. After Manchester, it ramped up, and after Westminster and

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obviously people can put measures in place for security around buildings

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but we do not have enough people to do this at this level and we would

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not want to at all. The Guardian talks about how the investigation is

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focusing on whether these three men shot dead, what kind of support they

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may have had? That is the thing that is becoming unfortunately familiar,

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investigators rushing to find out if they were part of a network,

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mounting multiple raids and arresting lots of people. That is

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the initial reaction and over the next few days we will find out

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whether there is network. There has not been in the last few incident

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and we do not know what has happened with the arrests from the last

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incident. Women taken from a block of flats, a man Tasered. Three women

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led away from the same flat, noting there are women involved because

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invariably people involved in these things are men. "Enough is enough"

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declares it made. What can that mean? There have been moves in the

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past to strengthen laws and surveyed its opportunities but there is

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always some bush back against that. The FT says that this is a rhetoric.

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Beyond that, what will it mean, we will have to find out that as well.

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Mrs May says she was a deciding about the Internet. She persuaded

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the G7 leaders to dedicate a new tool to clean up the web which

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sounds good but I do not know what that means also longer jail

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sentences for terrorist attacks but there is no worse place to put these

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people. It is very difficult for any politician to tread the line. If you

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say "Enough is enough" and we have to be less tolerant because we have

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been too tolerant, where does that take you? It is difficult for

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Theresa May, Jeremy Corbyn, for anybody as to how to make people

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feel safe and the question raised about people who claim to have

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reported incidents and suspicions. By the nature of reporting, they

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will not get a knock on the door the next day saying thank you very much.

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This is about surveillance. It is control orders. Where that they

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should come back to replace what we have now. What do you do and at what

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point do the security services strike to prevent these? They have a

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ready prevented several planned attacks before this. You do wonder

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if in the light of Manchester, police were jetting out a lot of

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people they had been checking out before and whether they were on that

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and possibly push them into doing something we will have to wait and

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see. The Daily Mail, the picture is not easy to make out there are men

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on the ground, wearing their fake suicide vests which, of course, if

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you are confronting these people you do not know whether they are of real

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or not. Of course, and you are in a crowded area were people are already

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injured and dying and they did what they did and they did it very

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quickly. James and I were talking about the rightness, if you like, of

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publishing photographs like this. I am concerned about this. What

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concerns it you? Am concerned because you begin to make this

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people into something they are not, they get notoriety. The comparison

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with high school shootings in America. Eventually the press

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realise, if you put these people in the front page someone at home will

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look and see that someone got the front page because they did

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something terrible and they think I will do something terrible. Just

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reported straight and the incidence fell off a bit. I concerned that

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somebody else will see this, they will see someone achieving

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something. I would rather see it pictures of the victims, the concert

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in Manchester. The Metro has the same picture, even close-up, saying

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police fired 50 bullets which is unprecedented. As you said just now,

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if you see free people and you believe they are wearing suicide

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vests, and you have a split second, you have to make sure... I do think

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there are questions about how papers, in particular, cover this.

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The rolling news channel is different but even then we have to

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pause and think. This picture gave me pause. I did not feel comfortable

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with this picture with it being used. The Metro, a free paper, on

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trains and buses were schoolchildren are travelling. Of course, he cannot

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keep children away from the horrors but you need to see that have the

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lawyer we stick... Part of it is because of citizen journalism. We

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were trying to work out whether this is an agency professional

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photographer but, of course, there are agencies who will market members

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of the public photographs. We are not saying these are the baddies

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here and it is OK to have a discussion about why it has

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happened. We do similar things with suicide to try and avoid copycat

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behaviour. I think something like this is something the newspapers

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that need to think about. There will be copycat attacks after this.

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Immense guidelines about the nature of pictures that we run, how much

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detail and how close you get. On the Daily Star they have gone with the

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kind of thing viewable comfortable with. He rose and journalists and

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taxidrivers featured. -- heroes, and the incredible emergency services

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who responded so quickly and how the public turned against these men

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despite a risk to themselves. Just as you cannot understand the people

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who do this, but the people who run towards the. The British transport

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policeman who got stabbed in the face taking them with passion.

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Dippel throwing chairs and pint glasses, anything. And you have the

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paramedics and ambulance crews who have nothing to protect themselves

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with and yet they parlayed and do their job and it is utterly

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remarkable. -- they pile in. And the Journal is becoming a celebrity...

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Absolutely. This is the photograph of the reality. The speed with which

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everybody is so quick to complain about delays in traffic or whether

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you are waiting in a queue, my son is a paramedic in London so I

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slightly by S. But you see this, it is really quick and fast and you

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have these people in the restaurants, waiters and waitresses,

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suddenly this horrific event on Saturday night and people come

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together instinctively, which I think is quite encouraging.

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Incredibly moving as well. In the Daily Telegraph, the picture of the

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armed officers out on the street. Apparently, there has been a secret

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recording of some cell in Barking, where the raids had taken place

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today, where an attack like this seemed to have been devised. But we

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do not know. Exactly, it goes back to this question of surveillance and

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intelligence. We do not know what has been going on, how long it has

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been operational. I think they have said since March, earlier this year

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but, apparently, there is a group of people talking about this, using

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YouTube... I sure not YouTube but YouTube videos and it goes back to

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the question of what is available on the net and how do you control it.

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Internet companies like Facebook and Google, are they taking it

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seriously... How can YouTube make a decision on

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every single video that gets uploaded? Millions are uploaded

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every single day. I am not making excuses for them at all, it is the

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sheer scale of it. You cannot legislate it because they will be

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some other way to find it. Exactly. The Internet is such an incredible

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concept. You cannot stop it. It is there now. You cannot roll it back.

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The Daily Express quoting the reason may. Enough is enough. -- Theresa

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May. They say they have repeatedly called for tougher action on

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terrorism. What does that mean? Until someone has committed a crime,

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what do you do? That is the biggest worry about this kind of stuff. It

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is fine saying enough is enough, but what can you do? There are people in

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a bunker in Whitehall that know what to do. But I am not sure what you

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can do against a van and a knife. It is not like putting together the

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components for a bomb. Exactly. It is not like the thing we're used to,

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tight security like airports, airlines and airports can bring in a

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ban on laptops, liquids, whatever. These are people on a street going

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around restaurants and things on a Saturday night. Drawing attention to

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this. Three men walking casually through Borough Market before they

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were shot dead. It may have been even before they carried it out. It

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may have been after they got out of the van and move across off of the

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bridge. It talks about what needs to happen in this tougher action. The

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Prevent strategy has been criticised for a long time. They need tothe

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radicalisation of people. One of the complaints was many people, many

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Muslims, felt there entire communities were being stigmatised

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by it. This is the problem. Again, it goes back to saying if you phone

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up and say I think this person is a bit dodgy, why, because he has a

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beard, he is wearing a grey suit. You think they are dodgy because

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little girls wear headscarves? It is delicate, this line we are treading.

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You cannot attack a whole community. Now, we have heard, and I am sure,

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again, today and tomorrow, we will hear condemnation from the wider

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Muslim community, as they have been since Westminster. These people

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doing these things actually don't belong in communities because they

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are... Communities, they are in communities of her own monstrous

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imagination. They are horrible, horrible people who watch

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monstrosities, whether it is Islamic State videos, or whatever... There

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were some Muslims on social media saying a true Muslim would be busy

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eating late at night during Ramadan because they have been fasting all

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day. That is what a true Muslim would be doing. The final paper, the

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i, defiant. Armed officers coming down escalators. It talks about the

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number of people killed and injured. Defiant is a good word. In America,

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they said London was reeling from it. I hate to refer to social media,

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but there have been many people getting uptight about the use of the

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word "reeling." It is not wrong to say we are reeling from Manchester

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because it was horrible. It is fine when something is that horrible.

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Isn't it about wanting to say that for ourselves? Yeah. Yeah. We can

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say that. It is about owning the word, isn't it? But you wouldn't ask

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any of those to keep to one side. They are being defiant. I like to

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think that is the British way. Stand to the right. Stand to be left. They

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also have a small photograph for Manchester as well. May be later

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additions will have something. We will see you again for the unusually

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late repeat at half past midnight. I hope you will join us... Well, I

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hope you will stay. I hope you will join us as well.

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The Prime Minister has said last night's attack isn't directly linked

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