04/06/2017 The Papers


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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be


With me are the political commentator, James Millar


and Jo Phillips, who's also a political commentator.


Of course, there is only one story we will be looking at.


a counter-terrorism chief refuses to confirm whether the attackers


were were already known to the police or intelligence services.


The FT focuses on Theresa May's plans to review existing police


and security powers, increase pressure on tech companies


and introduce tougher anti-terror laws.


The Telegraph claims counter-terrorism officers have been


monitoring an alleged extremist cell in Barking since March and secretly


recorded individuals plotting a van and knife attack in London.


Quoting Mrs May's phrase that "Enough is Enough",


the Express vows to support the Prime Minister's plans


for what it calls "tougher action on terrorists".


The Mail also leads with that quote from Mrs May, adding that


all of Britain was echoing her sentiments.


The Mirror leads with the heroes of last night.


It said policeman and members of the public fought off


the attackers with batons, chairs, glasses and their bare hands.


Police fired an "unprecedented" 50 bullets at the attackers to bring


them down within eight minutes, the Metro says.


And the i calls the police and public response "defiant"


It has been an incredibly fraught and a difficult 24 hours for a lot


of people but the response from the public and police has been hailed by


so many people. The Guardian leads with the numbers- seven dead. And


Mrs May saying, "Enough is enough" "Enough is enough". Despite what has


been happening in the last few months, it is a very unusual sight


for us to see armed officers on our streets. Coming here tonight, there


were police officers all over the place. I came over Westminster


Bridge. Police vans. London Bridge still cordoned off. And to see


police officers dressed like this is an alarming as well as reassuring


but the question is, you cannot have that all the time. You can do it for


a little while. After Manchester, it ramped up, and after Westminster and


obviously people can put measures in place for security around buildings


but we do not have enough people to do this at this level and we would


not want to at all. The Guardian talks about how the investigation is


focusing on whether these three men shot dead, what kind of support they


may have had? That is the thing that is becoming unfortunately familiar,


investigators rushing to find out if they were part of a network,


mounting multiple raids and arresting lots of people. That is


the initial reaction and over the next few days we will find out


whether there is network. There has not been in the last few incident


and we do not know what has happened with the arrests from the last


incident. Women taken from a block of flats, a man Tasered. Three women


led away from the same flat, noting there are women involved because


invariably people involved in these things are men. "Enough is enough"


declares it made. What can that mean? There have been moves in the


past to strengthen laws and surveyed its opportunities but there is


always some bush back against that. The FT says that this is a rhetoric.


Beyond that, what will it mean, we will have to find out that as well.


Mrs May says she was a deciding about the Internet. She persuaded


the G7 leaders to dedicate a new tool to clean up the web which


sounds good but I do not know what that means also longer jail


sentences for terrorist attacks but there is no worse place to put these


people. It is very difficult for any politician to tread the line. If you


say "Enough is enough" and we have to be less tolerant because we have


been too tolerant, where does that take you? It is difficult for


Theresa May, Jeremy Corbyn, for anybody as to how to make people


feel safe and the question raised about people who claim to have


reported incidents and suspicions. By the nature of reporting, they


will not get a knock on the door the next day saying thank you very much.


This is about surveillance. It is control orders. Where that they


should come back to replace what we have now. What do you do and at what


point do the security services strike to prevent these? They have a


ready prevented several planned attacks before this. You do wonder


if in the light of Manchester, police were jetting out a lot of


people they had been checking out before and whether they were on that


and possibly push them into doing something we will have to wait and


see. The Daily Mail, the picture is not easy to make out there are men


on the ground, wearing their fake suicide vests which, of course, if


you are confronting these people you do not know whether they are of real


or not. Of course, and you are in a crowded area were people are already


injured and dying and they did what they did and they did it very


quickly. James and I were talking about the rightness, if you like, of


publishing photographs like this. I am concerned about this. What


concerns it you? Am concerned because you begin to make this


people into something they are not, they get notoriety. The comparison


with high school shootings in America. Eventually the press


realise, if you put these people in the front page someone at home will


look and see that someone got the front page because they did


something terrible and they think I will do something terrible. Just


reported straight and the incidence fell off a bit. I concerned that


somebody else will see this, they will see someone achieving


something. I would rather see it pictures of the victims, the concert


in Manchester. The Metro has the same picture, even close-up, saying


police fired 50 bullets which is unprecedented. As you said just now,


if you see free people and you believe they are wearing suicide


vests, and you have a split second, you have to make sure... I do think


there are questions about how papers, in particular, cover this.


The rolling news channel is different but even then we have to


pause and think. This picture gave me pause. I did not feel comfortable


with this picture with it being used. The Metro, a free paper, on


trains and buses were schoolchildren are travelling. Of course, he cannot


keep children away from the horrors but you need to see that have the


lawyer we stick... Part of it is because of citizen journalism. We


were trying to work out whether this is an agency professional


photographer but, of course, there are agencies who will market members


of the public photographs. We are not saying these are the baddies


here and it is OK to have a discussion about why it has


happened. We do similar things with suicide to try and avoid copycat


behaviour. I think something like this is something the newspapers


that need to think about. There will be copycat attacks after this.


Immense guidelines about the nature of pictures that we run, how much


detail and how close you get. On the Daily Star they have gone with the


kind of thing viewable comfortable with. He rose and journalists and


taxidrivers featured. -- heroes, and the incredible emergency services


who responded so quickly and how the public turned against these men


despite a risk to themselves. Just as you cannot understand the people


who do this, but the people who run towards the. The British transport


policeman who got stabbed in the face taking them with passion.


Dippel throwing chairs and pint glasses, anything. And you have the


paramedics and ambulance crews who have nothing to protect themselves


with and yet they parlayed and do their job and it is utterly


remarkable. -- they pile in. And the Journal is becoming a celebrity...


Absolutely. This is the photograph of the reality. The speed with which


everybody is so quick to complain about delays in traffic or whether


you are waiting in a queue, my son is a paramedic in London so I


slightly by S. But you see this, it is really quick and fast and you


have these people in the restaurants, waiters and waitresses,


suddenly this horrific event on Saturday night and people come


together instinctively, which I think is quite encouraging.


Incredibly moving as well. In the Daily Telegraph, the picture of the


armed officers out on the street. Apparently, there has been a secret


recording of some cell in Barking, where the raids had taken place


today, where an attack like this seemed to have been devised. But we


do not know. Exactly, it goes back to this question of surveillance and


intelligence. We do not know what has been going on, how long it has


been operational. I think they have said since March, earlier this year


but, apparently, there is a group of people talking about this, using


YouTube... I sure not YouTube but YouTube videos and it goes back to


the question of what is available on the net and how do you control it.


Internet companies like Facebook and Google, are they taking it


seriously... How can YouTube make a decision on


every single video that gets uploaded? Millions are uploaded


every single day. I am not making excuses for them at all, it is the


sheer scale of it. You cannot legislate it because they will be


some other way to find it. Exactly. The Internet is such an incredible


concept. You cannot stop it. It is there now. You cannot roll it back.


The Daily Express quoting the reason may. Enough is enough. -- Theresa


May. They say they have repeatedly called for tougher action on


terrorism. What does that mean? Until someone has committed a crime,


what do you do? That is the biggest worry about this kind of stuff. It


is fine saying enough is enough, but what can you do? There are people in


a bunker in Whitehall that know what to do. But I am not sure what you


can do against a van and a knife. It is not like putting together the


components for a bomb. Exactly. It is not like the thing we're used to,


tight security like airports, airlines and airports can bring in a


ban on laptops, liquids, whatever. These are people on a street going


around restaurants and things on a Saturday night. Drawing attention to


this. Three men walking casually through Borough Market before they


were shot dead. It may have been even before they carried it out. It


may have been after they got out of the van and move across off of the


bridge. It talks about what needs to happen in this tougher action. The


Prevent strategy has been criticised for a long time. They need tothe


radicalisation of people. One of the complaints was many people, many


Muslims, felt there entire communities were being stigmatised


by it. This is the problem. Again, it goes back to saying if you phone


up and say I think this person is a bit dodgy, why, because he has a


beard, he is wearing a grey suit. You think they are dodgy because


little girls wear headscarves? It is delicate, this line we are treading.


You cannot attack a whole community. Now, we have heard, and I am sure,


again, today and tomorrow, we will hear condemnation from the wider


Muslim community, as they have been since Westminster. These people


doing these things actually don't belong in communities because they


are... Communities, they are in communities of her own monstrous


imagination. They are horrible, horrible people who watch


monstrosities, whether it is Islamic State videos, or whatever... There


were some Muslims on social media saying a true Muslim would be busy


eating late at night during Ramadan because they have been fasting all


day. That is what a true Muslim would be doing. The final paper, the


i, defiant. Armed officers coming down escalators. It talks about the


number of people killed and injured. Defiant is a good word. In America,


they said London was reeling from it. I hate to refer to social media,


but there have been many people getting uptight about the use of the


word "reeling." It is not wrong to say we are reeling from Manchester


because it was horrible. It is fine when something is that horrible.


Isn't it about wanting to say that for ourselves? Yeah. Yeah. We can


say that. It is about owning the word, isn't it? But you wouldn't ask


any of those to keep to one side. They are being defiant. I like to


think that is the British way. Stand to the right. Stand to be left. They


also have a small photograph for Manchester as well. May be later


additions will have something. We will see you again for the unusually


late repeat at half past midnight. I hope you will join us... Well, I


hope you will stay. I hope you will join us as well.


The Prime Minister has said last night's attack isn't directly linked


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