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Hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be


With me are the writer and broadcaster, Mihir Bose,


and the former Pensions Minister, Baroness Altmann.


Good evening to you both. Good evening.


Tomorrow's front pages, starting with this.


There's only one story on tomorrow's front pages.


The Telegraph carries a haunting photograph


The Express reports people throwing their children out


of windows to save them from the blaze.


The i describes the tragedy as avoidable, saying that residents


had repeatedly raised concerns about fire safety.


The Metro warns that dozens of people are feared dead.


The Guardian focuses on the warnings from residents it says were ignored.


The Times reports that the blaze spread through the building


The demands to know how something like this could have happened.


And the Mirror carries a photograph of the burning building


So, we will begin. So much to talk about. This story rightly dominates


every single front page. The Mail. It has that terrifying image of the


tower, really, as an Inferno, asking how the hell could it happen, a


sober pun, because it does look like hell. It must have felt like hell.


This is such a tragedy. The first thing is to talk about the people


who have suffered, the families and loved ones, people in hospital,


people we don't know what happened to them. My heart goes out to them.


How could this happen in Britain? The indication is this is clearly a


tragedy that could have and should have been avoided. We need to know


why it wasn't and who is responsible and what steps were not taken that


should have been taken? In a country like ours, one of the most advanced


and developed, with our resources to make and health and safety


regulations. Yes. A fire destroys a whole tower block? That is what this


is suggesting. Sheer disbelief we can see this in London. In this day


and age and in our country, with all the effort of rules and regulations,


fire safety has been a strong point in all of the health and safety


regulations, and every tower block has to have a fire safety


inspection. It all has to pass. The residents seemed to have been told


it did and there was no fire risk. This is a Dickensian past. It should


have happened decades ago, not in 2017. The i. It spells out a little


bit more on the front page what you were saying about the concerns


raised. Tragic, horrific, avoidable. It has gone on to detail in the


other pages about concerns raised a long time ago in 2009. There was a


fire back then. Six people died. 20 people were injured. At that time,


the fire spread very quickly and there were questions spread about


how that happened. It seems nothing has moved on from there. In 2013,


there was an all-party Fire and Rescue review. Questions need to be


answered. The residents themselves have been raising questions and


warning that this sort of thing could happen. Regulations were


changed, but clearly whatever was done has not avoided this kind of


disaster. And that is the real sadness of all of this. You know?


People have spent a lot of time and a lot of money on assessing fire.


They had a policy for fire. Clearly it is not sufficient. It takes


something like this for us to learn that. The residents where indeed


warning it would take a catastrophe, a catastrophic event, as the put it,


before someone would take them seriously. Questions were raised


about the cladding acting like chimney, encouraging the fire to


spread, going between the cladding and the walls. It was meant to keep


people safe. They were told to stay put in their flat and they would be


rescued. That advice sounds almost lethal, an invitation to death. In


fact, those who ignored the advice save themselves. That is where you


got the headline "Deathtrap." Actually, the stay put advice would


be OK if they came and put the fire out. But if you were staying put,


and you were thinking you should get out, you could not, because the


smoke and flames engulfed everything. Yes. How could this


advice you given when the fire safety precautions were not there to


make the advice mean anything? What makes it more sad is the London Fire


Brigade apparently warned about this cladding. There are already concerns


about it. We have to stress that we don't know if this is because. We


don't know. -- the cause. There was also talk about recent gas pipes and


works, some new ones put in the stairwell with boilers and so on.


There may be other reasons, but we don't know. And this building is


30-40- 50 years old. People living in similar properties will be


worried today. We don't know much about it except that it moved very


fast in a matter of minutes. The fact you can talk about so many


potential reasons, these have all come out during the day, mostly from


residents. I just feel sorry for those residents who have been going


along and saying this is a risk, this is a risk, and have been told,


"No, it's fine." Obviously, no one wants to be proven right in these


circumstances. We have to make sure we understand what because he is. --


the cause is. The government will be looking at buildings with similar


cladding. I hope they put in place rescue plans in case this happens.


If you have safety standards and they don't work, what do they mean?


It destroys confidence! The whole thing is based in confidence. There


are fire safety standards and I believe when a fire comes I will be


safe. If they don't work, there is no way to feel secure. All of the


flats had these expensive fire doors put in. A lot of money was spent


trying to do this. Clearly, something has been going wrong.


Something has gone dreadfully wrong. Yes. We spent some time talking


about how it happened and concerns raised. Let us talk now about the


people. The Times. A picture of one of the people waving from their


window. I cannot imagine how desperate they may have been inside.


"Help, help!" A story of trapped parents throwing their children. One


was caught, apparently. That is an amazing story. Extraordinary.


Wonderful. The fact they had to do something like this! This echoes of


what happened in 9/11. Yes. That was a totally different thing. This, the


causes of this, they should have been avoided. We don't know if the


parents of the baby survived. They were thrown out of the ninth or


tenth floor. We don't know how many have died. The news at the moment is


12. We know roughly 600 people were in the block, don't we? We only know


about a certain number of deaths and people in hospital. Stories of


people calling loved ones. One had four children. When she got down...


Six when she was up and four when she was down. Another, her


12-year-old daughter, got separated somehow. They don't know where she


is. That they had a stable policy


because they only had a single staircase. If all of the residents


were trying to get out while the Fire Brigade were trying to get in,


then the fire could not be extinguished. Stapleton is a


widespread policy. The Fire Brigade has to be able to get in to put any


fire out. With one stairwell, it is common to stay tell people to stay


in their flat if their flat is not on fire, to allow emergency services


to work. Clearly that was not the right advice here. The fire doors


clearly did not work. The blaze spread so quickly. That is the


thing. That the blaze spread quickly. They may have withstood the


fire but they were overcome by smoke, we do not know. Continuing on


to the Metro. Every front page has this terrible, terrible photograph


on it. The Metro has in the foreground one of the many brave


firefighters. The heroes. They are the ones, really, we should


acknowledge. They do what they do all their time and that picture sums


it up. There he is, fighting the fire but you can feel the strain.


Understandable he should be feeling strain but is still doing this job


in trying to rescue people. Some firefighters say this is the worst


thing they have ever seen. There have been in the service for decades


and they have not seen anything quite like this. We have not seen


anything like this. This is a towering Inferno, movies like that.


What you think is may believe that this is a real-life tragedy. They do


an amazing job day in and day out. Unfortunately, recently, they have


had a lot to cope with. Not just the firefighters, of course. They have


all stepped up to the mark and done what they are supposed to do and we


rely on them that they really did come through and they have been


there to help just as we would want them to. We do not often


acknowledged that, we do not highlight what happened with Borough


market, how quickly rescue services were there. The point has been made


with firefighters in particular is that while everyone else is fleeing


danger, they are going into it and it must have been terrifying. They


were going up the floors and searching all the flats. They got to


the 19th or of the 24 building. -- 24 floor building. They are trained


and they are professional, they are dedicated and they are there for us.


I can not pay enough tribute to them, they really do the most


magnificent work. The unsung heroes, really. It is comforting that one


sector of our society does work and work well stop at moments like this


it's good to know that the rescue services work and that is some


comfort in the tragedy. There will be stories coming out highlighting


that. And they will have saved many people. It is terrible for those


they did not save that they will have saved a large number of people


by being there and guiding them to safety. We speak about people


crawling around in the dark because they could not see and when they


were trying to reach the stairs and the emergency services were guiding


them through. Let's mention the community coming together and


donating loads of things. You had the priest talking about it earlier.


That shows humanity. That is something that we should be proud


of. Britain does pull together in an emergency. We have always pulled


together and supported each other in difficult times. People are still


turning up with blankets and food and... Offers of accommodation,


whatever it is, British people really do have that great spirit of


wanting to help when people are in trouble. One more front page on this


story, the Guardian. It has a different angle on that image that


equally stark. It talks, amongst other things, about the families who


are still searching for people who are missing. We touched on that


slightly but it talks about some individuals, particularly, a


12-year-old girl, a family with three children, an 82-year-old man.


Yes stop yes. The 82-year-old man who could not quite walked out of


the lights and said he would stay where he was stop they don't know


where he is now. One cannot imagine the panic and the fear that must


have been going through. At the time. Those people who got out, some


of them did get out with elderly relatives. They must feel so


grateful that they managed to escape. Others may have stayed


behind to look after people. They did not want to leave a relative who


was disabled, whatever. Who could not manage the stairs. One was in


the lifts... I think the 82-year-old had gone down one for the lift and


was told to get out because, obviously, the lift will not be


saved in this situation. -- says in this situation, but he could not


handle the stairs. They do not know what happened to him. The agony will


go on. We don't know for how long, before they find their loved ones.


Let's hope there are some happy and good stories that some people will


turn up, some of the missing. It does happen that somebody runs away


from a tragedy like this and then you find that they are actually OK,


but maybe they did not take their mobile with them which is why they


are not answering. Let us hope we hear some of that. Turning now to


work couple of other stories, one of which in other times would have been


much bigger news and that is the resignation of the Liberal them a


great leader Kim Farren. What do you make of this story? Were you


surprised? -- Tim Farron. It was clearly hoping to create a third


way. Although their seats increased, it is not much of a wave, it is


hardly a ripple in the pond full doc the reason he gave is that you


cannot be a man of faith and lead a party. I find that extraordinary.


Were you convinced by that reasoning? No. Now I was not stop he


can say that he personally would not believe in gay marriage but I will


support anybody, I will not have a law that makes gay marriage illegal.


So a distinction between personal faith and political leanings. He


seemed to think there is a contradiction in that, suggested


that the media made a contradiction when, actually, he should have


resolve the contradiction himself. He should have said these are the


personal beliefs, these are the party beliefs and I will always


support the party policy. More sympathetic? I feel very sad that


this is somebody who really does have strong faith and felt that he


could not marry the face, if you excuse the expression, with being a


political leader. He came under enormous pressure and unfairly so at


the beginning of the campaign when everybody was forcing him to talk


about what he thinks of gay marriage. I agree with you. He


probably did not handle that as well as he could have but it was


relentless pressure that took away from really important issues of


policy and what this party stood for. This party does support gay


marriage. He was the leader of the party, as you say, this personal


believes may be different but he would not have imposed those beliefs


on other people. What he was asked was this own personal belief. They


kept on and on asking him. He did not make the distinction very clear.


He shied away from it but I think that was the issue. He shied away


from saying that he has a personal belief and a party policy and there


is no contradiction because I have come out in politics to do certain


things and I am part of a party that will support these policies, fine. I


will carry them out. He did not do that well enough. All he said was


that it does not want to talk about it. Because he was being criticised


for this personal belief. That is what was happening. When he was


being interviewed he was being criticised for being, if you like,


all, for himself, not willing to countenance the idea that he would


accept a gay marriage. That was the problem. In a way, the line of


questioning, instead of him trying to ride above it are the other


leaders may have done and they sorry, that is not relevant, I am


here as leader of the Liberal Democrats and these are policies,


this is what we stand for. This own beliefs are this own issues, enough.


That is depressing if a man or a woman of AIDS cannot become a


political leader because the political party has views contrary


to that person's religious views. We have come to a very depressing


stage. That's what he was saying in this speech today and that is why I


have see with him because he clearly felt that. He may be a bit more


sceptical and I may be a bit naive but I think he really did feel that


he could not come any longer, be in a position. If they had gotten 50


seats he would not have resigned... Thank you both very much. That is if


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