23/07/2017 The Papers

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That's all the sport now. Hello, and welcome to our look ahead

to what the the papers With me are Martin Bentham,

home affairs editor at the London Evening Standard,

and the journalist and We start with The Observer,

which leads with claims that the Brexit Secretary,

David Davis, is the preferred choice among Tory members to replace

Prime Minister Theresa May. The Sunday Express features a family

photograph of Prince Harry and his mother, Diana the Princess

of Wales, with the headline The Telegraph has the same story,

along with reports that more than 40 female BBC presenters have signed

an open letter to the director-general

demanding equal pay. The Sunday Times says men and women

will be able to change their gender legally without a doctor's diagnosis

under government plans. The Star leads with Princes Harry

and William's last conversation The royal story also dominates

the front of the Mail on Sunday. And ahead of the 20th

anniversary of her death, Princes Harry and William pay

tribute to their mother Let us begin with that story that is

on most of the front pages this morning. The story of Princes

William and Harry talking about the death of their mother. You can

believe it, 20 years ago now. They've spoken in a documentary. The

Sunday Mirror says last call with mum haunts us. It's a poignant

picture, isn't it? Yes, the picture is very poignant. It's amazing to

see all these pictures of her again after 20 years. It's hard to imagine

it's been that long but of course it will have felt that long for her

sons. This is one of the elements of the story that the newspapers have

focused on, this last phone call that she made to her kids when they

were in the middle of playing, and didn't necessarily want to talk to

her that day. It's turned out to be their last call. Of course it wasn't

our fault and of course anyone who has lost someone will recognise that

thing of the last conversation and had you known what you might have

said differently. It is what comes across from the coverage that we are

seeing in all of the Sunday papers, they've all got something about her,

this very, very loving and also very cheeky humorous mother. She really

wanted her kids to have fun and to be connected to their emotions, and

to experience life in a normal way. She would take them to have burgers,

she would take them to the cinema. What did she say? It's all right to

be naughty as long as you don't get caught, which is a good life lesson.

What do you make of the coverage? I think it's all you just said, and

the last element of her being fun. I'm sure there were times when she

was stricter! But there are other stories of her apparently pitting

sweets down their socks when they went to play football and all those

things. It does bring across this warming vision of her as a very

engaging, very hands-on, fun mother to be with. And of course, the boys

missing her presence and talking about, certainly William has got his

children and they are missing her as a grandmother as well. Although he

tells the amusing story of thinking what would it be like if she were

here, should probably come in at the wrong time and read them up before

bath time and disappeared to leave us to put them to bed! Of course

they are all very nice stories and it's terribly sad but they lost her

in the way that they did. Whatever you think about the royal family,

this is two grown men talking openly about their emotions, and also to

members of the Royal family, it's quite unusual, isn't it? Yes. I

think this cements the shift in style of the Royal family, that

these young royals have brought forward. They are much more talking

about emotional life. In the past they've talked about mental health

issues, and raised that issued a public debate in an important way.

Of course, it's a really important thing to do stigmatise the

perceptions of mental health. -- do stigmatise the perceptions of mental

health. Prince Harry especially has spoken about how difficult the

grieving process was. Initially they didn't talk about it but they found

it was much better to talk about it and discuss it. I think it is a

really useful contribution to society to talk about the grieving

process. Especially in the sense that they are public figures. Even

when they were children, by definition they were public figures

and everything was in the spotlight. Her death was an incredibly massive

world event in terms of publicity and attention. It was doubly hard

for them to cope with it. He says he's only cried twice since which is

quite interesting. Yes, it does bring it back. Another thing is that

for a lot of people, my elder daughter was born about two months

after her death. The younger generation, those people who were

under 25 or perhaps slightly older will only remember her as a figure

in history rather than a living person that we can remember her as.

It's interesting perhaps for them to understand a bit about her and what

she was for the Royal family and for British life in the period before

she died. As we say, this story is on the front of almost all of the

papers, and many pages inside as well. Let's move on to The Sunday

Times. A picture of Prince William and Harry. They actually lead on a

different story. The Tories promote right to choose your own sex. Tell

us more about this. This is about increasing emphasis on transgender

people and, in essence, talking about a reform that happened in 2004

to allow you more easily theoretically to change your gender.

What the government is looking at here in the consultation is to say

the process perhaps needs to be refined further to make it less

bureaucratic. There have been some complaints it is too inquisitive and

intrusive, and that actually in essence it should be a bit simpler

to go through the process and change your gender identity. There are one

or two other things here. For example saying that possibly you

might be able to class yourself as an ex-on the passport. That might be

more tricky overseas where you have to declare whether you are male or

female. There may be one to practical issues to look at in terms

of this but I think the broad thrust of it is that it makes entire sense

for dealing with the difficulty of a fairly small number of people, but a

number of people, and making it easier for them to live their lives.

Is this an issue that Justine Greening has wanted to get to grips

with? This is part of a whole series of moves that she describes as a

step forward. After equality for women and the legislation of

same-sex marriage in 2013, this is the next phase. And so these

transgender reforms are part of a wider policy. She also has the

desire to tackle homophobic bullying of children. She is introducing

measures that will increase... She's trying to stop the term gay being

used as a term of abuse, to taunt schoolchildren. I think that is a

really important thing to be doing. Homophobic bullying is still a

really big problem in schools. It has gone down but it's still... It's

something like 45% of children will still experience that. No child

should have to go through that, no child should have two experience

that in a school environment which should be safe. There is a

correlation as well for children that it affects their mental health.

Of course it would. The instances of self harm amongst LGBT children is

an acceptably high. Suicides as well. It's really positive move to

be taking this as seriously as it seems they intend to be. It is

interesting The Sunday Times makes the point that Justine Greening is

in a relationship with a woman, whether that informs a policy not

but that is according to The Sunday Times. It shouldn't do, should it?

Given that one of her colleagues is a gay man and rights in The Mail on

Sunday about how the change in legislation and cultural attitudes,

which actually is the most important thing. It's what you were talking

about with bullying, schools now in general would seek to stop people

using those terms, and of course they should do that but the ultimate

message is an educational one. If you think about how society has

changed, legislation plays one part in it but actually the ultimate need

is for societal attitudes to change to make people more tolerant. I

think that has happened in general, it needs to go further. You

mentioned equality and that brings us on to a topic that has been

rumbling on since Wednesday when the BBC announced some of the pay of

some of its top presenters. The Sunday Telegraph leads with the

story revolves of the BBC women. Rachel, how are they revolting? It

must have been quite a difficult week for the BBC. These women,

rightly, have put together an open letter to the director general

saying you told us that you would sort this out by 2020. Clearly you

need to sort it out now. Especially now that the extent of this problem

has come to light. I think that's the thing that is so striking and

has understandably caused so much anger. It is so extreme. The pay

differentials are so stark, and some of the interviews over the last few

days and today in The Sunday Times with female presenters saying that

we were fobbed off so long, we were told it was fine, but it was being

dealt with and we weren't being paid less or much less and actually

turned out to be a huge life. -- lie. I hope it is successful. We

shouldn't lose sight of the fact this also highlights for the BBC, it

seems like decisions are made by a white, male, Oxbridge educated club

who are giving each other jobs. That is going to have an impact for women

but also for minorities. There is an impact on people from different

class backgrounds. Ultimately, it has an impact on the output. The BBC

then doesn't represent the society that it's supposed to be serving. I

think that is a much bigger problem that should be addressed. Martin,

this letter has been signed by some of the biggest names that work for

the BBC. People like Clare Balding, Jane Garvey. But in the letter, they

also talk about rank and file staff members as well. This isn't just

about the people that they see on their TVs and here on the radio, is

it? Not at all. I was going to ask you to pay me some money not to ask

you what you think about this but you probably aren't paid enough!

LAUGHTER That's probably a good job! There is an issue there. They are

all paid very well across the board, there is a gender pay gap there but

one of my friends who works in the BBC made the point that actually

there is a great cliff edge below the ?150,000. A lot of people in the

BBC aren't paid very much, so it's not as if money is awash for the

lower down... Some people being paid as little as ?18,000. These figures

are not typical. There is an issue there as well about proportionality

of the pay given to some of the very high earners. You can look at those

figures and question whether the so-called marketplace is really

forcing those pay levels to the levels they are at, and so on. There

is definitely a concern and they need to address the gender issue and

perhaps the issue further down the scale, and actually as a mail I

would say any rank and file man who isn't part of this favoured group

can probably forget any chance of a pay rise for the next 5-10 years!

They may then know how the women have felt for quite some time!

LAUGHTER Let's move on to The Observer. Normal service resumed,

they've got politics as their lead. Rachel, Tory members turn to David

Davis in battle to succeed May. It appears David Davis the Brexit

Secretary is ahead in a party survey, what is this survey? This is

obviously to replace Theresa May, when? That is the big question,

when. This is a survey of 1000 Tory members. This is rank and file

Conservative members. David Davis came out the favourite, but he only

had one fifth of the party supporting him. After that was Boris

Johnson. In third place, Jacob Rees-Mogg. Maybe Mogg mania isn't

going to be the thing it was tipped to be. There is no overwhelming

support for anybody and that is the problem for the Conservatives. They

have a leader who has been so damaged, she's lost all credibility

in the election, she is a toxic brand, and yet they have nobody that

they can find to step in her place. Meanwhile they are consumed by this

infighting and bickering because of the huge problem that this has

presented the party with. Apparently an irreconcilable problem at the

moment. According to The Observer the search is on for a surprise

candidate. Do you have any inside knowledge? Not to that surprise

candidate might be. That's the issue. There have been various names

touted from the middle ranks but of course there are two problems. One

is the instability that would be caused by replacing the Prime

Minister. That is an issue. Of course lots of people think she's

probably not able to stay on for a great length of time. Certainly not

until the next election. That transitional period inevitably is

potentially destabilising. That is a problem. David Davis would be the

obvious candidate because I think people would, broadly speaking,

unite around him. But you've still got to get to the point of having a

Prime Minister, although the system doesn't require you to be elected,

but you get that criticism that he hasn't gone to the electorate.

Obviously they don't want another general election. This story will go

and go and go until Theresa May disappears. In whatever form she

does. Clearly the summer is coming up so there will be lots of talk

about it over the summer I'm sure, when the news isn't so prominent.

There will be lots of plotting over what Sapp! Sometimes somebody does

come out of the blue. Even David Cameron was relatively unknown

before he became Conservative leader. He suddenly emerged, people

thought he was an tested. He went to a general election and became Prime

Minister. It's not inconceivable you could have these people who aren't

known to the public. Just time to turn to Page ten of The Observer.

Office yoga. Martin, office yoga? This is Public Health England

talking about how employers can cut the sickness bill by encouraging

their staff to do things that keep them fit. Walking around the office

and standing desks is another. Another one is helping them with

removing ingrowing toenails! The mind boggles. I wonder if that is

one of the things people are off sick for. For it to have made the

list of things that is in the recommendations, which I didn't

know. Would you do a bit of office yoga in your lunch break? I would! I

like sports where you run after a ball. It's about balance! Notice I

didn't ask about your ingrowing toenails! Thank you both for coming

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