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That's all the sport now. Hello, and welcome to our look ahead


to what the the papers With me are Martin Bentham,


home affairs editor at the London Evening Standard,


and the journalist and We start with The Observer,


which leads with claims that the Brexit Secretary,


David Davis, is the preferred choice among Tory members to replace


Prime Minister Theresa May. The Sunday Express features a family


photograph of Prince Harry and his mother, Diana the Princess


of Wales, with the headline The Telegraph has the same story,


along with reports that more than 40 female BBC presenters have signed


an open letter to the director-general


demanding equal pay. The Sunday Times says men and women


will be able to change their gender legally without a doctor's diagnosis


under government plans. The Star leads with Princes Harry


and William's last conversation The royal story also dominates


the front of the Mail on Sunday. And ahead of the 20th


anniversary of her death, Princes Harry and William pay


tribute to their mother Let us begin with that story that is


on most of the front pages this morning. The story of Princes


William and Harry talking about the death of their mother. You can


believe it, 20 years ago now. They've spoken in a documentary. The


Sunday Mirror says last call with mum haunts us. It's a poignant


picture, isn't it? Yes, the picture is very poignant. It's amazing to


see all these pictures of her again after 20 years. It's hard to imagine


it's been that long but of course it will have felt that long for her


sons. This is one of the elements of the story that the newspapers have


focused on, this last phone call that she made to her kids when they


were in the middle of playing, and didn't necessarily want to talk to


her that day. It's turned out to be their last call. Of course it wasn't


our fault and of course anyone who has lost someone will recognise that


thing of the last conversation and had you known what you might have


said differently. It is what comes across from the coverage that we are


seeing in all of the Sunday papers, they've all got something about her,


this very, very loving and also very cheeky humorous mother. She really


wanted her kids to have fun and to be connected to their emotions, and


to experience life in a normal way. She would take them to have burgers,


she would take them to the cinema. What did she say? It's all right to


be naughty as long as you don't get caught, which is a good life lesson.


What do you make of the coverage? I think it's all you just said, and


the last element of her being fun. I'm sure there were times when she


was stricter! But there are other stories of her apparently pitting


sweets down their socks when they went to play football and all those


things. It does bring across this warming vision of her as a very


engaging, very hands-on, fun mother to be with. And of course, the boys


missing her presence and talking about, certainly William has got his


children and they are missing her as a grandmother as well. Although he


tells the amusing story of thinking what would it be like if she were


here, should probably come in at the wrong time and read them up before


bath time and disappeared to leave us to put them to bed! Of course


they are all very nice stories and it's terribly sad but they lost her


in the way that they did. Whatever you think about the royal family,


this is two grown men talking openly about their emotions, and also to


members of the Royal family, it's quite unusual, isn't it? Yes. I


think this cements the shift in style of the Royal family, that


these young royals have brought forward. They are much more talking


about emotional life. In the past they've talked about mental health


issues, and raised that issued a public debate in an important way.


Of course, it's a really important thing to do stigmatise the


perceptions of mental health. -- do stigmatise the perceptions of mental


health. Prince Harry especially has spoken about how difficult the


grieving process was. Initially they didn't talk about it but they found


it was much better to talk about it and discuss it. I think it is a


really useful contribution to society to talk about the grieving


process. Especially in the sense that they are public figures. Even


when they were children, by definition they were public figures


and everything was in the spotlight. Her death was an incredibly massive


world event in terms of publicity and attention. It was doubly hard


for them to cope with it. He says he's only cried twice since which is


quite interesting. Yes, it does bring it back. Another thing is that


for a lot of people, my elder daughter was born about two months


after her death. The younger generation, those people who were


under 25 or perhaps slightly older will only remember her as a figure


in history rather than a living person that we can remember her as.


It's interesting perhaps for them to understand a bit about her and what


she was for the Royal family and for British life in the period before


she died. As we say, this story is on the front of almost all of the


papers, and many pages inside as well. Let's move on to The Sunday


Times. A picture of Prince William and Harry. They actually lead on a


different story. The Tories promote right to choose your own sex. Tell


us more about this. This is about increasing emphasis on transgender


people and, in essence, talking about a reform that happened in 2004


to allow you more easily theoretically to change your gender.


What the government is looking at here in the consultation is to say


the process perhaps needs to be refined further to make it less


bureaucratic. There have been some complaints it is too inquisitive and


intrusive, and that actually in essence it should be a bit simpler


to go through the process and change your gender identity. There are one


or two other things here. For example saying that possibly you


might be able to class yourself as an ex-on the passport. That might be


more tricky overseas where you have to declare whether you are male or


female. There may be one to practical issues to look at in terms


of this but I think the broad thrust of it is that it makes entire sense


for dealing with the difficulty of a fairly small number of people, but a


number of people, and making it easier for them to live their lives.


Is this an issue that Justine Greening has wanted to get to grips


with? This is part of a whole series of moves that she describes as a


step forward. After equality for women and the legislation of


same-sex marriage in 2013, this is the next phase. And so these


transgender reforms are part of a wider policy. She also has the


desire to tackle homophobic bullying of children. She is introducing


measures that will increase... She's trying to stop the term gay being


used as a term of abuse, to taunt schoolchildren. I think that is a


really important thing to be doing. Homophobic bullying is still a


really big problem in schools. It has gone down but it's still... It's


something like 45% of children will still experience that. No child


should have to go through that, no child should have two experience


that in a school environment which should be safe. There is a


correlation as well for children that it affects their mental health.


Of course it would. The instances of self harm amongst LGBT children is


an acceptably high. Suicides as well. It's really positive move to


be taking this as seriously as it seems they intend to be. It is


interesting The Sunday Times makes the point that Justine Greening is


in a relationship with a woman, whether that informs a policy not


but that is according to The Sunday Times. It shouldn't do, should it?


Given that one of her colleagues is a gay man and rights in The Mail on


Sunday about how the change in legislation and cultural attitudes,


which actually is the most important thing. It's what you were talking


about with bullying, schools now in general would seek to stop people


using those terms, and of course they should do that but the ultimate


message is an educational one. If you think about how society has


changed, legislation plays one part in it but actually the ultimate need


is for societal attitudes to change to make people more tolerant. I


think that has happened in general, it needs to go further. You


mentioned equality and that brings us on to a topic that has been


rumbling on since Wednesday when the BBC announced some of the pay of


some of its top presenters. The Sunday Telegraph leads with the


story revolves of the BBC women. Rachel, how are they revolting? It


must have been quite a difficult week for the BBC. These women,


rightly, have put together an open letter to the director general


saying you told us that you would sort this out by 2020. Clearly you


need to sort it out now. Especially now that the extent of this problem


has come to light. I think that's the thing that is so striking and


has understandably caused so much anger. It is so extreme. The pay


differentials are so stark, and some of the interviews over the last few


days and today in The Sunday Times with female presenters saying that


we were fobbed off so long, we were told it was fine, but it was being


dealt with and we weren't being paid less or much less and actually


turned out to be a huge life. -- lie. I hope it is successful. We


shouldn't lose sight of the fact this also highlights for the BBC, it


seems like decisions are made by a white, male, Oxbridge educated club


who are giving each other jobs. That is going to have an impact for women


but also for minorities. There is an impact on people from different


class backgrounds. Ultimately, it has an impact on the output. The BBC


then doesn't represent the society that it's supposed to be serving. I


think that is a much bigger problem that should be addressed. Martin,


this letter has been signed by some of the biggest names that work for


the BBC. People like Clare Balding, Jane Garvey. But in the letter, they


also talk about rank and file staff members as well. This isn't just


about the people that they see on their TVs and here on the radio, is


it? Not at all. I was going to ask you to pay me some money not to ask


you what you think about this but you probably aren't paid enough!


LAUGHTER That's probably a good job! There is an issue there. They are


all paid very well across the board, there is a gender pay gap there but


one of my friends who works in the BBC made the point that actually


there is a great cliff edge below the ?150,000. A lot of people in the


BBC aren't paid very much, so it's not as if money is awash for the


lower down... Some people being paid as little as ?18,000. These figures


are not typical. There is an issue there as well about proportionality


of the pay given to some of the very high earners. You can look at those


figures and question whether the so-called marketplace is really


forcing those pay levels to the levels they are at, and so on. There


is definitely a concern and they need to address the gender issue and


perhaps the issue further down the scale, and actually as a mail I


would say any rank and file man who isn't part of this favoured group


can probably forget any chance of a pay rise for the next 5-10 years!


They may then know how the women have felt for quite some time!


LAUGHTER Let's move on to The Observer. Normal service resumed,


they've got politics as their lead. Rachel, Tory members turn to David


Davis in battle to succeed May. It appears David Davis the Brexit


Secretary is ahead in a party survey, what is this survey? This is


obviously to replace Theresa May, when? That is the big question,


when. This is a survey of 1000 Tory members. This is rank and file


Conservative members. David Davis came out the favourite, but he only


had one fifth of the party supporting him. After that was Boris


Johnson. In third place, Jacob Rees-Mogg. Maybe Mogg mania isn't


going to be the thing it was tipped to be. There is no overwhelming


support for anybody and that is the problem for the Conservatives. They


have a leader who has been so damaged, she's lost all credibility


in the election, she is a toxic brand, and yet they have nobody that


they can find to step in her place. Meanwhile they are consumed by this


infighting and bickering because of the huge problem that this has


presented the party with. Apparently an irreconcilable problem at the


moment. According to The Observer the search is on for a surprise


candidate. Do you have any inside knowledge? Not to that surprise


candidate might be. That's the issue. There have been various names


touted from the middle ranks but of course there are two problems. One


is the instability that would be caused by replacing the Prime


Minister. That is an issue. Of course lots of people think she's


probably not able to stay on for a great length of time. Certainly not


until the next election. That transitional period inevitably is


potentially destabilising. That is a problem. David Davis would be the


obvious candidate because I think people would, broadly speaking,


unite around him. But you've still got to get to the point of having a


Prime Minister, although the system doesn't require you to be elected,


but you get that criticism that he hasn't gone to the electorate.


Obviously they don't want another general election. This story will go


and go and go until Theresa May disappears. In whatever form she


does. Clearly the summer is coming up so there will be lots of talk


about it over the summer I'm sure, when the news isn't so prominent.


There will be lots of plotting over what Sapp! Sometimes somebody does


come out of the blue. Even David Cameron was relatively unknown


before he became Conservative leader. He suddenly emerged, people


thought he was an tested. He went to a general election and became Prime


Minister. It's not inconceivable you could have these people who aren't


known to the public. Just time to turn to Page ten of The Observer.


Office yoga. Martin, office yoga? This is Public Health England


talking about how employers can cut the sickness bill by encouraging


their staff to do things that keep them fit. Walking around the office


and standing desks is another. Another one is helping them with


removing ingrowing toenails! The mind boggles. I wonder if that is


one of the things people are off sick for. For it to have made the


list of things that is in the recommendations, which I didn't


know. Would you do a bit of office yoga in your lunch break? I would! I


like sports where you run after a ball. It's about balance! Notice I


didn't ask about your ingrowing toenails! Thank you both for coming


in. Just a reminder we take a look


at tomorrow's front pages every The headlines are coming up in just


a few minutes. Yesterday's weather turned out to be


pretty disappointing for some through the afternoon. Prolonged


rain and feeling quite cool. There was some sunshine in the forecast


and today looking pretty


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