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Hospital bosses have warned the NHS in England may suffer its worst

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winter in recent history if it doesn't receive an emergency

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bailout. Welcome to our look ahead to what

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the papers will be bringing us. My guests today, the Parliamentary

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journalist Tony grew, and the entertainment journalist, Caroline

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Frost. Good evening to both of you. We will take on a minute. First, the

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front pages. The FT writes that Donald Trump has

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opened the door to military action following the latest nuclear weapons

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test by North Korea. Same story in the i. The Secretary

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of State warns of possible annihilation in response.

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The same story in the Metro, showing a picture of the North Korean leader

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shortly after the test. The Times says Donald Trump has

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threatened to sever trade ties with any country that deals with North

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Korea, including China. The Daily Telegraph says there is

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growing concern in Europe that Mr Trump is considering unilateral

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action as the UN Security Council is due to meet tomorrow.

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The Guardian leading with an unpublished report saying families

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who have lost loved ones in police custody are being failed by

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authorities and calls for reform to the system.

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And finally the Daily Mail, headlines about households who

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oversaw their bin could face a fine up to ?2500 and a criminal

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conviction as councils try to push recycling and cut collections.

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Let's begin, Caroline and Tony, a lot of those front page is dominated

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by North Korea. We will start there with the i. What did you make of it

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when you first saw the headline? These pictures remind me of back in

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the 1970s and 1980s when we use the CDs Russian propaganda shots. The

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fact North Korea are releasing a picture of their leader, hands on

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deck. -- when we used to see these Russian propaganda shots. But it is

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far too real. And Donald Trump asking for an immediate response.

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It's making me feel nervous. You are nervous? What about you, Tony? I am

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more concerned about Trump than North Korea. His leadership is a

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destabilising force. More destabilising than Kim Jong-Un?

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Towards the end of the Financial Times story from an academic who is

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an expert in North Korea. They said Kim Jong-Un understands Washington

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does not have the ability to crank up Russia any further. This is part

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of the weakness of the US's position internationally. The press secretary

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to say they have many military options, they don't, they have

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limited options, it would be massive and overwhelming retaliation.

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Annihilation is a word being used. President Trump will cut off trade

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links with China, saying that, it would not be a good move. Let's turn

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to the subject of what weapons would be in the arsenal. We know that

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North Korea has nuclear weapons. It's frightening. Let's say this

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military option goes ahead. You must wonder what type of retaliation Kim

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Jong-Un would come back with. We don't know, do we? So few go to

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speak. We don't have the channels with the rest of the world where you

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have the diplomacy into the open diplomatic channels. Everybody is

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talking of hopefully back channels. I am hoping that there is a lot of

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stuff going on that we don't know about. For once I find myself

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sympathising with Donald Trump because, as Tony said, there is a

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limit to what he can say. They've backed themselves into a corner

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effectively. It becomes almost a blink off. Who is going to stand

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down? It is old school Cold War type stuff. That is what worries me. We

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have a president of the United States spending his time on Twitter,

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attacking South Korea, saying your appeasement hasn't worked. When the

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president said they tweaked like that he does not seem to understand

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that there are only two options, and that is option two. When you go with

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appeasement, you have to wonder what North Korea want. All the talk, you

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have the sanctions, and they are still going ahead. They don't care

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what people are talking about. It is, we dare you to do something, in

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the meantime we are on step two macro of the development of our

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arms. They are making the steps forward in the meantime. The North

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Korean leader points to what happened to Colonel Gaddafi. The

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other leaders that have come to an arrangement with the US and stopped

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their nuclear weapons programme. What happens is regime change. That

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is his fear. There should always be more room for more talk and more

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application of sanctions and pressure by people like China, who

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are the only ones who really have any influence with them. The idea of

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the president of the US stopping trading with China, it shows how ill

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suited he is to his role. Makes you wonder if he has seen the numbers.

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We will stick with the FT. Very quickly. ?50 billion, I don't think

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so, is David Davis's response to this. This is the Brexit deal. You

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have done the numbers. I checked what the net contribution is to the

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EU. Net contribution, not the amount of money we give and get back, as

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well. When you do the sums, the UK was on course to pay around ?10

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million per year, for the next four years come into the EU. That already

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comes to ?42 billion. David Davis thinks we will get away with paying

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nothing. And this idea that we shouldn't be generous with our EU

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partners to get to the next stage of negotiations and talk about a trade

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deal. The UK is the second-largest net contributor to the EU. When we

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leave it will leave hole in their budget. Who else would be in the top

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three? It's complicated. France gets a huge amount of money back through

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things like the common agricultural policy. Germany is the biggest net

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contributor, as I recall. The point and trying to make is that the UK

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financial commitments. -- I am trying to make. We should stop

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talking about money. Stop pretending the UK doesn't have to pay. And

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there are schemes like Erasmus. I used it. If we want to continue

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using it we must continue paying for it. And we must support the EU, and

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the country is not part of the EU that the EU contributes to. We have

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to make sure we continue doing that so those places are peaceful. I'm

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not sure many people will be as friendly as you with the numbers.

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But after we all got absolutely sold on the fabled ?350 million we were

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going to save. I would suggest that these numbers become important to

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people suddenly. They were abstract figures before. Just a year ago. Now

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these numbers are concrete things the government is going to have to

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justify. Especially as Labour have shifted their position. They

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signified the day, they were talking about how when the negotiations

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start kicking off in parliament, questions will be asked, and it'll

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be along the lines of exactly how much. It must be frustrating for

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David Davis. He's as part of negotiations is not showing your

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cards, and people are asking for him to do exactly that. And it is

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October, the EU Commission? Yes, that's when the leaders come

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together and discuss what progress has been made so we can then discuss

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the trade-off. Britain is hoping that the political leaders will be

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able to talk them round and get some flexibility. The EU can only act in

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the way the 27 members instruct them to do. I think Britain will have to

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start paying some money. Then things might move their way. But I am a

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pessimist. Unlike David Davis who is an optimist.

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CHUCKLES Let's turn to the times. There is

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the possibility of a reshuffle in the air, or maybe not? As a

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political journalist, there were always three stories you could

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write, leadership challenge, reshuffle, when there will be a

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general election. We have the takeaway one of those two. You can

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always write a leadership challenge story and a reshuffle story. Briefed

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by somebody who as far as I can see is delusional. This is a Prime

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Minister who lost her government's majority. She saw several of her

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ministers lose them a seat in the general election. She called it

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would she didn't need to do it. The idea she will wield the knife

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against people, I find it bizarre. And also talking about sacking

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people. One of which is Liam Fox. Two of the leading Brexiteer

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politicians in your party. Also talk of Jason Reese Hogg getting

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promoted. To her advisers think that will win her back some votes?

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Appointing a right wing reactionary politician? That's going to go down

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well in the marginal seats they need to win back in the north and the

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Midlands. I find this bizarre. The idea the PM is under the impression

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she has power, because she doesn't. Some say she may hold off on this.

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Because of what she said while she was in Japan. I don't know if you

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picked up on the point, I don't know how closely you have been following

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this, but Boris Johnson might be moved if this reshuffle did go ahead

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because Theresa May is losing patients with him. Where you aware

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those tensions? This comes from the background of Boris Johnson's, what

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is it, perennial leadership campaign? He has been quiet. He's

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been overseas. In theory doing his job. But perhaps he is getting his

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loins and other seductive attack on ten Downing St. It is the way you

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say it. CHUCKLES

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Here's a fascinating character. I think he will go for the fluffy vote

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with Jason Reese Hogg. I think it will be interesting. I'm loving this

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because every time you open a paper this is a sign of her growing

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confidence. -- Jason Rees Mogg. It is just who you believe. Coming to

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the end of silly season. Two more stories to squeeze in. This donor

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scandal, could you take us through that quickly? In Scotland, and it is

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about to come in in Scotland, it already takes place in Wales, you

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are automatically put on the donor list and you have to opt out of it.

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What do you make of that? I think it is pretty standard. We

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have thousands of people on a waiting list, waiting for a donor.

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Many people died last year because they were not able to have an organ

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transplant operation. And this is on the back of a Private members Bill.

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That will be coming forward and will change the rules. I am sanguine

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about it. I don't see the problem with it. It's one of those things

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were a shift is traumatic for certain people. People with strong

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religious beliefs or something similar. It's one of those things,

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had it been in existence for a long period of time nobody would be

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worried about it. I would applaud a system like this when you have

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numbers like this. We have had politics, international affairs,

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health, let's go to a story I think a lot of people were waiting to

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break. We were all waiting to see these. Trouble in the Rooney

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household. I don't care. In a shock twist, a famous highly paid

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footballer has to squeezed himself away from the pitch. It happens to

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be Wayne Rooney. Could have been another player. What can we tell

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you? A bit of background, he has a lovely, pretty wife, who is pregnant

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with her fourth child, who was on holiday last week, while Wayne

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Rooney celebrated his departure from the bulk of his professional career

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in style. There is a lady with an open cardigan on the front of the

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daily Mirror. She must be embarrassed by that. Same story in

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the sun newspaper. Yes, spread the riches. As my grandmother would say,

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she'll catch her death in that top! Do you really think it is over? Will

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we have a split in this famous football coupling? Tony is sitting

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there thinking about it. What do you think? I don't know much about

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football or celebrities because I am a political journalist. Did Wayne

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Rooney tell this journalist? It says it is an exclusive. It is a card he

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is having to play. He cannot be arrogant about it. He can't be

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walking around like a peacock. It is a huge trauma for the pregnant

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Coleen. It just reminds me of Footballers Wives. That popular one.

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Is it popular? That's not fiction, you know? You get overpaid,

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sometimes and advised, highly skilled footballers who are

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absolutely praised and revered for their testosterone fuelled antics on

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the pitch. You expect them to -- could you expect them to go home,

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park the car, and walk the dog? Perhaps we all need a wake-up.

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Thanks very much to you both. We are back at 11:30pm. Hope to see you all

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then. Don't forget, the front pages are online at the BBC News website.

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You can read a detailed review of the papers. It is all there for you.

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You can also see a replay of this programme with each night's edition

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of the papers posted on that page shortly after we have finished. In

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the meantime, thanks to James and Caroline. For now, it is Meet

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