03/09/2017 The Papers

Hospital bosses have warned the NHS in England may suffer its worst

winter in recent history if it doesn't receive an emergency

bailout. Welcome to our look ahead to what

the papers will be bringing us. My guests today, the Parliamentary

journalist Tony grew, and the entertainment journalist, Caroline

Frost. Good evening to both of you. We will take on a minute. First, the

front pages. The FT writes that Donald Trump has

opened the door to military action following the latest nuclear weapons

test by North Korea. Same story in the i. The Secretary

of State warns of possible annihilation in response.

The same story in the Metro, showing a picture of the North Korean leader

shortly after the test. The Times says Donald Trump has

threatened to sever trade ties with any country that deals with North

Korea, including China. The Daily Telegraph says there is

growing concern in Europe that Mr Trump is considering unilateral

action as the UN Security Council is due to meet tomorrow.

The Guardian leading with an unpublished report saying families

who have lost loved ones in police custody are being failed by

authorities and calls for reform to the system.

And finally the Daily Mail, headlines about households who

oversaw their bin could face a fine up to ?2500 and a criminal

conviction as councils try to push recycling and cut collections.

Let's begin, Caroline and Tony, a lot of those front page is dominated

by North Korea. We will start there with the i. What did you make of it

when you first saw the headline? These pictures remind me of back in

the 1970s and 1980s when we use the CDs Russian propaganda shots. The

fact North Korea are releasing a picture of their leader, hands on

deck. -- when we used to see these Russian propaganda shots. But it is

far too real. And Donald Trump asking for an immediate response.

It's making me feel nervous. You are nervous? What about you, Tony? I am

more concerned about Trump than North Korea. His leadership is a

destabilising force. More destabilising than Kim Jong-Un?

Towards the end of the Financial Times story from an academic who is

an expert in North Korea. They said Kim Jong-Un understands Washington

does not have the ability to crank up Russia any further. This is part

of the weakness of the US's position internationally. The press secretary

to say they have many military options, they don't, they have

limited options, it would be massive and overwhelming retaliation.

Annihilation is a word being used. President Trump will cut off trade

links with China, saying that, it would not be a good move. Let's turn

to the subject of what weapons would be in the arsenal. We know that

North Korea has nuclear weapons. It's frightening. Let's say this

military option goes ahead. You must wonder what type of retaliation Kim

Jong-Un would come back with. We don't know, do we? So few go to

speak. We don't have the channels with the rest of the world where you

have the diplomacy into the open diplomatic channels. Everybody is

talking of hopefully back channels. I am hoping that there is a lot of

stuff going on that we don't know about. For once I find myself

sympathising with Donald Trump because, as Tony said, there is a

limit to what he can say. They've backed themselves into a corner

effectively. It becomes almost a blink off. Who is going to stand

down? It is old school Cold War type stuff. That is what worries me. We

have a president of the United States spending his time on Twitter,

attacking South Korea, saying your appeasement hasn't worked. When the

president said they tweaked like that he does not seem to understand

that there are only two options, and that is option two. When you go with

appeasement, you have to wonder what North Korea want. All the talk, you

have the sanctions, and they are still going ahead. They don't care

what people are talking about. It is, we dare you to do something, in

the meantime we are on step two macro of the development of our

arms. They are making the steps forward in the meantime. The North

Korean leader points to what happened to Colonel Gaddafi. The

other leaders that have come to an arrangement with the US and stopped

their nuclear weapons programme. What happens is regime change. That

is his fear. There should always be more room for more talk and more

application of sanctions and pressure by people like China, who

are the only ones who really have any influence with them. The idea of

the president of the US stopping trading with China, it shows how ill

suited he is to his role. Makes you wonder if he has seen the numbers.

We will stick with the FT. Very quickly. ?50 billion, I don't think

so, is David Davis's response to this. This is the Brexit deal. You

have done the numbers. I checked what the net contribution is to the

EU. Net contribution, not the amount of money we give and get back, as

well. When you do the sums, the UK was on course to pay around ?10

million per year, for the next four years come into the EU. That already

comes to ?42 billion. David Davis thinks we will get away with paying

nothing. And this idea that we shouldn't be generous with our EU

partners to get to the next stage of negotiations and talk about a trade

deal. The UK is the second-largest net contributor to the EU. When we

leave it will leave hole in their budget. Who else would be in the top

three? It's complicated. France gets a huge amount of money back through

things like the common agricultural policy. Germany is the biggest net

contributor, as I recall. The point and trying to make is that the UK

financial commitments. -- I am trying to make. We should stop

talking about money. Stop pretending the UK doesn't have to pay. And

there are schemes like Erasmus. I used it. If we want to continue

using it we must continue paying for it. And we must support the EU, and

the country is not part of the EU that the EU contributes to. We have

to make sure we continue doing that so those places are peaceful. I'm

not sure many people will be as friendly as you with the numbers.

But after we all got absolutely sold on the fabled ?350 million we were

going to save. I would suggest that these numbers become important to

people suddenly. They were abstract figures before. Just a year ago. Now

these numbers are concrete things the government is going to have to

justify. Especially as Labour have shifted their position. They

signified the day, they were talking about how when the negotiations

start kicking off in parliament, questions will be asked, and it'll

be along the lines of exactly how much. It must be frustrating for

David Davis. He's as part of negotiations is not showing your

cards, and people are asking for him to do exactly that. And it is

October, the EU Commission? Yes, that's when the leaders come

together and discuss what progress has been made so we can then discuss

the trade-off. Britain is hoping that the political leaders will be

able to talk them round and get some flexibility. The EU can only act in

the way the 27 members instruct them to do. I think Britain will have to

start paying some money. Then things might move their way. But I am a

pessimist. Unlike David Davis who is an optimist.

CHUCKLES Let's turn to the times. There is

the possibility of a reshuffle in the air, or maybe not? As a

political journalist, there were always three stories you could

write, leadership challenge, reshuffle, when there will be a

general election. We have the takeaway one of those two. You can

always write a leadership challenge story and a reshuffle story. Briefed

by somebody who as far as I can see is delusional. This is a Prime

Minister who lost her government's majority. She saw several of her

ministers lose them a seat in the general election. She called it

would she didn't need to do it. The idea she will wield the knife

against people, I find it bizarre. And also talking about sacking

people. One of which is Liam Fox. Two of the leading Brexiteer

politicians in your party. Also talk of Jason Reese Hogg getting

promoted. To her advisers think that will win her back some votes?

Appointing a right wing reactionary politician? That's going to go down

well in the marginal seats they need to win back in the north and the

Midlands. I find this bizarre. The idea the PM is under the impression

she has power, because she doesn't. Some say she may hold off on this.

Because of what she said while she was in Japan. I don't know if you

picked up on the point, I don't know how closely you have been following

this, but Boris Johnson might be moved if this reshuffle did go ahead

because Theresa May is losing patients with him. Where you aware

those tensions? This comes from the background of Boris Johnson's, what

is it, perennial leadership campaign? He has been quiet. He's

been overseas. In theory doing his job. But perhaps he is getting his

loins and other seductive attack on ten Downing St. It is the way you

say it. CHUCKLES

Here's a fascinating character. I think he will go for the fluffy vote

with Jason Reese Hogg. I think it will be interesting. I'm loving this

because every time you open a paper this is a sign of her growing

confidence. -- Jason Rees Mogg. It is just who you believe. Coming to

the end of silly season. Two more stories to squeeze in. This donor

scandal, could you take us through that quickly? In Scotland, and it is

about to come in in Scotland, it already takes place in Wales, you

are automatically put on the donor list and you have to opt out of it.

What do you make of that? I think it is pretty standard. We

have thousands of people on a waiting list, waiting for a donor.

Many people died last year because they were not able to have an organ

transplant operation. And this is on the back of a Private members Bill.

That will be coming forward and will change the rules. I am sanguine

about it. I don't see the problem with it. It's one of those things

were a shift is traumatic for certain people. People with strong

religious beliefs or something similar. It's one of those things,

had it been in existence for a long period of time nobody would be

worried about it. I would applaud a system like this when you have

numbers like this. We have had politics, international affairs,

health, let's go to a story I think a lot of people were waiting to

break. We were all waiting to see these. Trouble in the Rooney

household. I don't care. In a shock twist, a famous highly paid

footballer has to squeezed himself away from the pitch. It happens to

be Wayne Rooney. Could have been another player. What can we tell

you? A bit of background, he has a lovely, pretty wife, who is pregnant

with her fourth child, who was on holiday last week, while Wayne

Rooney celebrated his departure from the bulk of his professional career

in style. There is a lady with an open cardigan on the front of the

daily Mirror. She must be embarrassed by that. Same story in

the sun newspaper. Yes, spread the riches. As my grandmother would say,

she'll catch her death in that top! Do you really think it is over? Will

we have a split in this famous football coupling? Tony is sitting

there thinking about it. What do you think? I don't know much about

football or celebrities because I am a political journalist. Did Wayne

Rooney tell this journalist? It says it is an exclusive. It is a card he

is having to play. He cannot be arrogant about it. He can't be

walking around like a peacock. It is a huge trauma for the pregnant

Coleen. It just reminds me of Footballers Wives. That popular one.

Is it popular? That's not fiction, you know? You get overpaid,

sometimes and advised, highly skilled footballers who are

absolutely praised and revered for their testosterone fuelled antics on

the pitch. You expect them to -- could you expect them to go home,

park the car, and walk the dog? Perhaps we all need a wake-up.

Thanks very much to you both. We are back at 11:30pm. Hope to see you all

then. Don't forget, the front pages are online at the BBC News website.

You can read a detailed review of the papers. It is all there for you.

You can also see a replay of this programme with each night's edition

of the papers posted on that page shortly after we have finished. In

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