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Hello and welcome to our look ahead

to what the the papers will be

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bringing us tomorrow.

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With me are former pensions minister

Baroness Ros Altmann and the writer

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and broadcaster Mihir Bose.

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Tomorrow's front

pages...starting with...

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The Guardian leads with a story

of pressure growing on Theresa May

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amid what it describes

as a "jolt" to Brexit talks.

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The Telegraph claims that MI5

foiled an alleged plot

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to assassinate the Prime Minister

in Downing Street.

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That story also makes

the Sun's front page.

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The Mirror also leads with what it

describes as

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a "Terror plot

to kill Theresa May".

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The Times leads with a story

on the row between Philip Hammond

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and the Ministry of Defence,

claiming the chancellor has been

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banned from using RAF aircraft.

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The Metro leads with next year's

rise in rail fares, saying

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passengers are being "bled dry".

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The i notes that the increase in

rail prices will be the biggest in

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five years.

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The FT reports that James Murdoch

could be the new boss of Disney

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if Disney buys 21st Century Fox

from the Murdoch-controlled

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group of companies.

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Good to have you both here. Let's

begin with the Telegraph. Rose, that

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iconic picture staring out at us.

Christine Keeler in that pose on

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that chair, the chair which is now

in the V&A, it was so iconic.

With a

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note saying Christine Keeler sat

here?

I must look at what it does

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say. This is a reminder of one of

the bigger sex scandals of the last

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century. And it brought down the

Macmillan government. It certainly

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brought down ministers. Profumo, for

lying. Was married. He had an affair

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of apparently, Christine Keeler was

also having an affair with a Russian

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attache. So have the makings of a

real scandal.

Mihir Bose, I am not

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being impolite but you just about

remember the Profumo affair?

I just

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about remember reading political

stories for the first time. What is

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interesting looking back to from our

21st century scandals is that when

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Harold Wilson made his attack on the

Macmillan government, he said it is

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not about the sex, it is because

Christine Keeler has shared secrets

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with the Soviet intelligence officer

with whom she shared a bed. The

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point was, the sex was not talked

about. Now we are in a different

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world and a better world in the

sense that this is much more open,

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but then, the question was, is the

country's intelligence being

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compromised by the same woman being

in bed with two different men?

And

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the picture captures something of

the period, doesn't it, with the

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ambiguity of how women were regarded

then. She looks like a sophisticated

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ingenue, when she was actually a

young Home Counties girl.

She is

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remembered as being quite naive and

caught up in all of this political

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shenanigans and not really up to all

the intrigue. If she ended up in

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jail for perjury as well... And she

died penniless, pretty much. It's

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very sad.

The whole thing with what

happened with Stephen Ward...

The

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celebrity osteopath. He would have

his own show if it were a modern

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version. He would be on reality TV,

but he ended pretty unhappily too.

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Let's go to a story in the

Telegraph. Mihir, this is

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intriguing, the imponderable

situation Theresa May has got

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herself in over Brexit. Johnson and

Gove lead Cabinet revolt, fearing

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that she is going soft.

Yes, and it

is emerging that David Davis, the

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man who was supposed to take us out

of Europe, the hardliner, seems to

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have gone native. There was an

exchange in Parliament today where

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Jacob Rees Mogg said there should be

a red line. You can't have alignment

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of regulations, and he said the only

red line it's to get a good deal out

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of Brexit.

So we are prepared to

give ground on that.

And that is

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what Gove and Johnson are protesting

about. They are colleagues of yours.

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David Davis seems to be coming into

the real world faster than people

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like Johnson and Gove.

I guess you

were both Remainers?

Correct. But a

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lot of Tories were Remainers, and

that is not the point. As David

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Davis says, the point is to get the

best deal for Britain. If we want to

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look after Northern Ireland and if

we want to treat Northern Ireland as

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a full and equal part of the UK, you

can't have different rules for them

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and us. The only way of having a

frictionless border seems to me to

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stay in some kind of customs union,

probably the one we are currently

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in. David Davis is saying that we

have to have regulatory alignment.

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The EU wants a level playing field.

You can't have countries who are

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supposed to be trading freely with

you suddenly cheating and having

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different regulations.

This also

makes the front of the FT. Mihir

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were saying people thought of him as

a Eurosceptic. He was Europe

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minister under John Major. That was

why he was appointed. But your boss,

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Iain Duncan Smith, has said we may

have reached the point where we have

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to walk away from the talks because

there is no way that we in the

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Conservative Party, MPs of his ilk,

will accept staying in the customs

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union, even if you call it something

else.

The extreme Brexiters do not

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speak for the Tory party. And the

idea of walking away and leaving the

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issue of Northern Ireland unsolved

is not a view of all the Tory party

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or the whole of Parliament.

Even if

we walk away, are we not responsible

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for some of our liabilities? We

can't say, we are not paying

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anything, and off we go. Look at the

Eurostar back!

We have to respect

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the referendum. We have to try to

leave the EU on good terms. If it

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turns out that things are changing,

and David Davis seems to be

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realising that the political

decision to leave the single market

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and customs union, which was not

something people voted on, may need

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to be rethought, that is

responsible. But we must not abandon

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Northern Ireland or abandon the

peace process that is so precious on

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the island of Ireland.

Let's move on

to the sports page of the Guardian,

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Winter Olympics ban for Russia over

doping. It is a banner up to a

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point. Some might say it is the

wisdom of Solomon. What is your take

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on it?

It has finally been done.

They didn't do it for the previous

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games. The head of the International

Olympic Committee, a German, was

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very close to putting and therefore

didn't do it. But now they have done

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it. Even then, Russian athlete who

can prove they are keen can take

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part, but not under the Russian

flag, under the Olympic flag. Which

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is close to the EU anthem, so we

will hear a lot of that. Maybe Jacob

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Rees Mogg should have a word.

Maybe

we could do what those football

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players were doing in the US in

protest. We could have something

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equivalent when they play the Ode To

Joy.

This is something sport has not

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come to grips with properly. We know

there is doping. Sport is always

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trying to say we are on the moral

high ground, and jet they don't take

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the decision. Welcome as it is, this

is a late decision.

You would have

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had a total ban, would you?

I would

have had a total ban.

But isn't it

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hard for the athletes...

This is

state-sponsored doping. That means

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the state is helping you. You have

to bear responsibility.

The IOC is

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also considering that these are

excellent athletes, and if you want

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to have a meaningful Olympic Games

and you have athletes who can prove

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they have done nothing wrong, maybe

there is a case for saying to them,

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you can participate. And others who

might otherwise be tempted to do

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something they should not be doing

will think twice, because there are

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consequences. It is right that you

have this decisive action. But maybe

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we have a bit of carrot and stick

here. The carrot is, if you are

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clean...

Some of them they believe,

if we tinker with the edges, we can

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get away with it.

Let's move on to

the Times and something people will

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not get away with, this

extraordinary story. It makes you

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wonder whether this has been fed to

the papers because of the critical

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report into MI5 and the Abedi case,

the suicide bomber in Manchester.

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That is possible. The Abedi case and

the Khalid Masood, boasts of those

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were possibly missed opportunities,

but thousands of people are under

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surveillance and you can't be

everywhere at all times. But we are

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seeing that two men have been

charged with allegedly plotting to

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blow up the Prime Minister. That is

really serious. They have also taken

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the opportunity to let us know that

nine other terrorist plots have been

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foiled in the last 12 months. So

although it is awful that some of

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them have not been foiled, the

police and security services are

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working tirelessly to protect us and

are doing a good job, succeeding in

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many cases.

We should also look at

whether they have enough resources.

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In the Abedi case and some others,

it seems that they were going to

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talk to him, but later on. Maybe the

week after. Maybe there is a

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question of how much resources we

are devoted to something that is a

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very serious issue.

That is a valid

point, but however much resources

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you put into it, there is also the

legal problem. Even if you suspect

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something, you have to have

meaningful evidence before you can

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do anything.

And if you overreact,

you almost create a win for those

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who don't like this country, because

you change the way this country does

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things.

We should be proud of the

freedoms we have and we don't have a

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police state.

Indeed. We have a less

flattering picture of Theresa May

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here with scotch egg on her face!

This is a story about train fare

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rises. Do you feel bled dry or do

you not use the train?

I do use the

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train. In the last decade, trains

have changed enormously in this

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country.

For the better?

For the

better. And often, I go by train

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instead of driving. But there is the

serious issue of how much we should

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pay in fares.

If you are on

Southern, I don't think you would be

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complacent about this. The cost of

train fares for people who commute,

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they can't afford to live in the big

cities, they are living further out

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and now you have the train fare

rises by more than wages. 3.4% fare

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rises. Train fares are tied to RPI,

the retail prices index, which is

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higher than the CPI. Benefits are

tied to the CPI. Lots of areas where

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you might earn more op-ed the CPI.

Let's align the two.

A bit of

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regulatory alignment! Maybe that

will catch on. Ros Altmann and Mihir

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Bose, thank you so much.

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That's it for The Papers tonight.

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Don't forget, you can see the front

pages of the papers online

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on the BBC News website.

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It's all there for you seven days

a week at bbc.co.uk/papers

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and if you miss the programme

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any evening, you can watch it

later on BBC iPlayer.

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Thank you both.

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Goodbye.

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