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Avenue in danger of becoming Drumcree mark two? | :00:06. | :00:34. | |
Nearly three months on, this is the night the reality and there is no | :00:34. | :00:40. | |
sign of an ending any time soon. 5,000 jobs and £300 million of | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
investment in jeopardy at the Maze/Long Kesh site. The | :00:43. | :00:46. | |
construction industry tells this programme it's frustrated by the | :00:46. | :00:50. | |
stalemate. We want to see the economy growing, | :00:50. | :00:55. | |
we want to see the economy rebalanced, and these projects are | :00:55. | :00:57. | |
vital to that. And joining me with their thoughts, | :00:57. | :00:59. | |
vital to that. our regular pair in Commentators' | :00:59. | :01:01. | |
Corner, Professors Heenan and Wilford. We'll also have the view | :01:01. | :01:08. | |
from our man on the hill. I have the real view of what is | :01:08. | :01:11. | |
going on at Pier. And you can, of course, follow the | :01:11. | :01:13. | |
programme on Twitter - @BBCtheview. So, another week and another row | :01:13. | :01:24. | |
over the future of the Maze/Long Kesh project. Martin McGuinness told | :01:24. | :01:28. | |
the Assembly there can be no further development on the site unless the | :01:28. | :01:31. | |
agreement to build a peace centre is fully honoured. In August, Peter | :01:31. | :01:35. | |
Robinson withdrew his party's support for the centre, claiming it | :01:35. | :01:38. | |
lacks the necessary consensus to move forward. In a moment, I'll be | :01:38. | :01:42. | |
talking to the chief executive of Co-operation Ireland, Peter | :01:42. | :01:44. | |
Sheridan, the Sinn Fein MLA, Gerry Kelly, and the MP for North Belfast | :01:44. | :01:48. | |
and deputy leader of the DUP Nigel Dodds. But first, let's hear exactly | :01:48. | :01:53. | |
what the Deputy First Minister had to say on the subject earlier this | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
week. As everybody knows, there is a | :01:56. | :02:04. | |
programme for government commitment and we have received a letter of | :02:04. | :02:08. | |
offer for 18 million from the European Union to complete the | :02:08. | :02:12. | |
project. The withdrawal from our partners in government is deeply | :02:12. | :02:14. | |
disappointing. The combined efforts partners in government is deeply | :02:14. | :02:17. | |
of the Ulster Unionist party in mounting a campaign were deplorable. | :02:17. | :02:28. | |
The inability to honour a programme for government commitment has | :02:28. | :02:30. | |
created very significant difficulties for me as Deputy First | :02:30. | :02:34. | |
Minister. The peace building and conflict resolution centre always | :02:34. | :02:40. | |
wanted to be a symbol of a new future where space is opened up for | :02:40. | :02:43. | |
dialogue and reconciliation between future where space is opened up for | :02:43. | :02:48. | |
our people. It was the jewel in the crown of the Maze/Long Kesh site and | :02:48. | :02:57. | |
will undoubtedly be a tourist mecca. Sadly, the agreements that have been | :02:57. | :02:59. | |
made have not been honoured. Martin McGuinness speaking in the | :02:59. | :03:05. | |
Assembly on Monday. Peter Sheridan, how do you think the MLK issue has | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
been handled by our politicians over the past month? I think it is | :03:09. | :03:19. | |
understandable in many ways that way you have ethnic political parties | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
that there are always going to be those divisions about such critical | :03:22. | :03:27. | |
issues as the Maze/Long Kesh. I had the benefit of talking at length | :03:28. | :03:35. | |
about some of the projects, including the World Trade Center, | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
and he was also the architect in the Jewish Museum in Berlin and the | :03:39. | :03:44. | |
German museum in Dresden. In all of those projects, he said he had the | :03:44. | :03:49. | |
same conflicts. In the World Trade Center, when he was developing the | :03:49. | :03:54. | |
site, the police, the fire department and the FBI also allowed | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
because some of them said, unless we rebuild this place the way it was, | :03:58. | :04:03. | |
it will be a shrine to terrorism. Anybody who has visited the site now | :04:03. | :04:14. | |
will know that is not what happened. There is a job of work to do to | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
persuade people why this will be of benefit and will be an international | :04:17. | :04:18. | |
persuade people why this will be of peace centre, but it will require us | :04:18. | :04:21. | |
to persuade people and I don't think that persuasion comes easy. Has | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
there been a failure of political leadership? It is a failure of a | :04:24. | :04:30. | |
lack of vision of what this site was going to be. I could have had the | :04:30. | :04:31. | |
same views as other people that this going to be. I could have had the | :04:31. | :04:38. | |
would be a shrine to terrorism. Because of your past as a senior | :04:38. | :04:42. | |
peace officer? It is an automatic reaction. Somebody involved in the | :04:42. | :04:50. | |
death of my loved one is going to be remembered in a shrine at Maze/Long | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
Kesh. But when I listened to the architect, I got convinced | :04:53. | :04:57. | |
otherwise. The possibility that we might become outward looking and we | :04:57. | :05:01. | |
may be able to help in other conflicts around the world in what | :05:02. | :05:07. | |
we learned here. Perhaps that vision has not been given to people enough | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
so that they can make judgements so they have come to a natural | :05:11. | :05:15. | |
conclusion at the start. Nigel Dodds, I interviewed him a month ago | :05:15. | :05:20. | |
and he said precisely what he said on the occasion that Peter Sheridan | :05:20. | :05:27. | |
spoke to him. Why is it that many within the Unionist family have not | :05:27. | :05:30. | |
picked up on that? Is it because they have not heard it? Or they | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
don't want to believe it when he says it? It is the fact that there | :05:34. | :05:43. | |
is not a consensus in support of the peace Centre at the Maze/Long Kesh. | :05:43. | :05:48. | |
It is a fact that conference has been undermined by events of this | :05:48. | :05:53. | |
year in particular. I think that the reality is that unless you have | :05:53. | :06:01. | |
consensus, a piece site like that becomes a cause of division. And why | :06:01. | :06:08. | |
has that come about? It has come about despite efforts to move | :06:08. | :06:10. | |
forward because of the very bad about despite efforts to move | :06:10. | :06:15. | |
situation it created in and around the whole issue of the past, | :06:15. | :06:20. | |
particularly, and I listened to Martin McGuinness talk about the | :06:20. | :06:23. | |
difficult position he had been put in, what about the difficult | :06:23. | :06:27. | |
position a lot of the victims, people that Peter has mentioned and | :06:27. | :06:32. | |
families of those victims and people who served and innocent victims, who | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
have had to listen to Martin McGuinness and his friends and Jerry | :06:35. | :06:42. | |
Kelly yet wallowing in the filth of violence -- Jerry Kelly here. They | :06:42. | :06:50. | |
have never said that is what they want the Maze/Long Kesh project to | :06:50. | :06:56. | |
be. People say we must have a shared future, and yet rather than moving | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
forward, and they lecture everybody else about moving forward, going | :07:00. | :07:02. | |
back over a number of years now of else about moving forward, going | :07:03. | :07:08. | |
glorification of terrorism, of violence, of murder. Even people in | :07:08. | :07:13. | |
the Catholic community. I think people have seen a scenario painted | :07:13. | :07:18. | |
out here when they say, how can we trust these people because what they | :07:18. | :07:21. | |
are really about is glorifying their murderous past? Not some kind of | :07:21. | :07:25. | |
are really about is glorifying their glorious campaign but murder, pure | :07:26. | :07:31. | |
and simple. How can someone like Peter Sheridan can be persuaded that | :07:31. | :07:37. | |
the project would not pH Rhine to television -- terrorism and yet | :07:37. | :07:38. | |
the project would not pH Rhine to others can't? Everybody will | :07:38. | :07:44. | |
approach it from their own personal perspective and I respect that, | :07:44. | :07:51. | |
because I respect the views of wide swathe of opinion, but in Northern | :07:51. | :07:55. | |
Ireland, as political leaders, and it is leadership to actually listen | :07:55. | :07:58. | |
to people and respond to the concerns, and if you don't have a | :07:58. | :08:02. | |
consensus across a broad spectrum of the community, even though Peter May | :08:02. | :08:10. | |
says what he says, he has got to respect that many people disagree. | :08:11. | :08:15. | |
We have got to take all of that into account. There is an absence of | :08:15. | :08:22. | |
consensus. How do you respond to Nigel Dodds's charge that Sinn Fein | :08:22. | :08:27. | |
has been indulging in, amongst other things, the glorification of | :08:27. | :08:34. | |
terrorism and violence? I need to answer a lot of what he says. Let's | :08:34. | :08:41. | |
deal with the issue he mentioned a lot of times there. When unionists | :08:41. | :08:50. | |
talk about respect and the community, their community, we have | :08:50. | :08:57. | |
had consensus. There was actually a group set up that was actually led | :08:57. | :09:07. | |
by a member of the party, it was a part of a programme for government | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
which means all the parties had agreed to it. But... Let me finish | :09:10. | :09:21. | |
my point. The problem was that there was a consensus. He was part of it | :09:21. | :09:26. | |
and the lack of leadership came when he withdrew from it. That is what | :09:26. | :09:31. | |
has happened here. You asked earlier on, is it a lack of political | :09:31. | :09:38. | |
leadership? Of course it is. But it could be a lack of leadership on the | :09:38. | :09:46. | |
part of Sinn Fein. It could be what you said. Do you know what I said? I | :09:46. | :09:55. | |
was there. Could you even give a summary of what I said. It is not | :09:55. | :10:01. | |
about what I think you said. If you are going to talk about my speech, | :10:01. | :10:03. | |
about what I think you said. If you do you even understand what it said. | :10:03. | :10:09. | |
The point is, the perception in certain sections of the unity was | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
that it was controversial. Nigel Dodds speaks about respect. All of | :10:13. | :10:22. | |
these attacks are on the dead. That is way he does not have the respect. | :10:22. | :10:26. | |
Unionists do not even begin to understand that people have suffered | :10:26. | :10:39. | |
death deserve commemoration. It was a commemoration for two dead IRA | :10:39. | :10:45. | |
murderers in a place where 29... Two dead people who have relatives and | :10:45. | :10:50. | |
families who love them. I have stated a fact. And yet he does not | :10:50. | :10:56. | |
like to hear the facts. The reality is that 29 people were killed and | :10:56. | :11:00. | |
that parade passed away two of them were murdered by the IRA and he | :11:00. | :11:06. | |
stood up, and this has been said by many moderate nationalist people, | :11:06. | :11:10. | |
appalled at the fact that he goes there, from North Belfast, to | :11:10. | :11:19. | |
glorify to murderers in 2013. There was no glorification involved. There | :11:19. | :11:24. | |
is a difference between glorification and remembrance. There | :11:24. | :11:25. | |
was a dignified remembrance of the glorification and remembrance. There | :11:25. | :11:26. | |
two volunteers who died... But you glorification and remembrance. There | :11:27. | :11:32. | |
are never going to persuade Nigel Dodds it was a dignified | :11:32. | :11:39. | |
remembrance. This is the point. It is the point for Nigel Dodds. When | :11:39. | :11:45. | |
you get people like Gregory shouting across at Raymond McCartney and | :11:45. | :11:50. | |
calling him a field hunger striker without a word... The reality is, | :11:50. | :11:59. | |
you are here tonight to make an equivalence between dead murderers | :11:59. | :12:04. | |
who fought a terrorist campaign and those in the security forces and | :12:04. | :12:07. | |
innocent people. You will not get away with it. You will not be able | :12:07. | :12:11. | |
to equivocate that. We will come away with it. You will not be able | :12:11. | :12:19. | |
back to this. That is a decision we may develop in a moment or two. | :12:20. | :12:26. | |
Peter Sheridan, this is also about jobs. There is an investment of £300 | :12:26. | :12:32. | |
million potentially in jeopardy and 5000 jobs. Taking it out of the | :12:32. | :12:36. | |
immediate political cut and thrust, that has a big impact on the | :12:36. | :12:39. | |
Northern Ireland economy and on people who live here. Of course it | :12:39. | :12:45. | |
has. The potential to lose jobs is real. It is a 300 acre site so I | :12:45. | :12:53. | |
guess there is that possibility. Some of their worries I have on this | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
is that I said at the very beginning we have ethnic political parties, | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
people championed their own sites, and I think there is a vast majority | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
of the population that want us to get to a stage where our politicians | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
start to say what they are going to do for the other side. Not simply | :13:08. | :13:14. | |
what we want for our own side. If we genuinely want a shared hooch and a | :13:14. | :13:20. | |
shared society, and I believe they both want that, future, what is -- a | :13:20. | :13:27. | |
shared future, what is Unionism both want that, future, what is -- a | :13:27. | :13:33. | |
going to do that is going to protect the cultural identity? | :13:33. | :13:38. | |
Stay with us. Do you have any degree of optimism after what you have | :13:38. | :13:42. | |
heard that we are any closer to that The Yes. Let me tell you why. The | :13:42. | :13:55. | |
Good Friday Agreement was a political deal about structures and | :13:55. | :14:00. | |
processes. The next 25 years of this process is, how do you underpin the | :14:00. | :14:01. | |
political deal by normalising process is, how do you underpin the | :14:02. | :14:07. | |
relationships? Three years here people lived where their neighbour | :14:07. | :14:13. | |
was their enemy. We now have to learn to live together. That is | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
going to take time. I think it is easy to point the finger at | :14:17. | :14:21. | |
politicians, but this is a difficult place to be. The fact there are | :14:21. | :14:25. | |
three people from different backgrounds here tonight is progress | :14:25. | :14:28. | |
and it will take time, but it will take support to politicians from the | :14:28. | :14:34. | |
public. We will hear more from you later in | :14:35. | :14:40. | |
the programme. Tonight, as they have done every other night, Orangemen | :14:40. | :14:45. | |
and their supporters advert at Twaddell Avenue for the protest. It | :14:45. | :14:55. | |
has resulted in what has been known as camp Twaddell. Orangemen told him | :14:55. | :15:01. | |
they are prepared to stay there for as long as it takes. | :15:01. | :15:19. | |
The seasons have changed, but in this corner of North Belfast, not | :15:19. | :15:26. | |
much else has. Every night is the 12th of July. At Twaddell Avenue | :15:26. | :15:36. | |
they refused to move on. The symbols of defiance fly proudly at the | :15:36. | :15:41. | |
self-proclaimed live writes camp. In a humble Portakabin sits the banner | :15:41. | :15:47. | |
of the true blues to one of three North Belfast Orange lodges the | :15:47. | :15:50. | |
commissioner said could not parade home by their chosen route on the | :15:50. | :15:55. | |
evening of the 12. It is not a question of the route. | :15:56. | :16:01. | |
This has been put across many times. It is not a question of the route, | :16:01. | :16:08. | |
there are no other roads that we can go along. It is all right saying we | :16:08. | :16:13. | |
can go a different way, but they're only is one-way. How long are you | :16:13. | :16:20. | |
prepared to stay here? As long as it takes. I am prepared to stand here | :16:20. | :16:27. | |
as long as it takes in a non-violent way. If I have to stand to 24/7, I | :16:27. | :16:36. | |
will. Why should we let them take our culture of us? The Catholics get | :16:36. | :16:41. | |
all they want. That is true, all right. As far as I can see. I know | :16:41. | :16:48. | |
it is true. But there is another view, the one | :16:48. | :16:55. | |
from across the street. What we should have now in the | :16:55. | :17:00. | |
autumn is a parade of relative calm. This is the time that the Orange | :17:00. | :17:06. | |
Order need to settle down. I'm not going to get into negotiations in | :17:07. | :17:10. | |
public, I think that is a thing for the Orange Order and local residents | :17:10. | :17:15. | |
to sit down to do in an honest and open way. They may think there is no | :17:15. | :17:21. | |
point in sitting down because you will never agree to a parade. I | :17:21. | :17:27. | |
think everything is up for discussion. Let's sit down and put | :17:27. | :17:33. | |
things on the table. Darkness falls in the police cordon | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
at the top of the road is manoeuvred into place. Soon it is barring the | :17:36. | :17:42. | |
way as the banner is brought from the camp to head the nightly parade. | :17:42. | :17:52. | |
But this time, instead of confrontation, the parade wields | :17:52. | :17:55. | |
But this time, instead of into a side street to emerge again | :17:55. | :18:01. | |
moments later. We also catch sight of two youths wearing mass. We never | :18:01. | :18:08. | |
discover why, the Pope -- protest remains peaceful throughout. | :18:08. | :18:12. | |
discover why, the Pope -- protest Nearly three months on, this is the | :18:12. | :18:15. | |
nightly reality in Twaddell Avenue Nearly three months on, this is the | :18:15. | :18:19. | |
and there is no time -- sign of it ending any time soon. As the banner | :18:19. | :18:24. | |
moves forward, the band follows with its identity hidden. Last week the | :18:24. | :18:29. | |
commission found the playing of music along this stretch of road. | :18:29. | :18:49. | |
The police warnings are ignored and on the other side the traffic moves, | :18:49. | :18:56. | |
but few people have come out to watch the nightly ritual. Myself and | :18:56. | :19:03. | |
many locals have volunteered every night to walk the streets on this | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
site to keep young people away from reacting to what has been happening | :19:08. | :19:11. | |
on the other side. It has been a very strange experience. Almost like | :19:11. | :19:21. | |
a return to the old days? In a sense, history repeating itself and | :19:21. | :19:24. | |
the sheer waste of time and energy for everybody involved is costing | :19:24. | :19:31. | |
£29 50 per minute. One day we could have had Gareth bail playing for the | :19:31. | :19:35. | |
local football team because it is very hundreds as pounds per week. | :19:35. | :19:40. | |
You can smile at that, but when you think of what that could be in terms | :19:40. | :19:47. | |
of 100 police being recruited, more nurses, more doctors, more teachers, | :19:47. | :19:52. | |
just as she awaits itself is something that is having a | :19:52. | :19:55. | |
detrimental effect on the whole of society not just Ardoyne. | :19:55. | :20:03. | |
In camp Twaddell the talk is of possibly stepping up the protest. | :20:03. | :20:10. | |
At every stage it has been other people that have escalated and upped | :20:10. | :20:17. | |
the ante, not us. The time may come when it is up to the people in this | :20:17. | :20:26. | |
area who support us to up the ante and extend what is happening. How | :20:26. | :20:32. | |
would you do that? That is to be decided. That is not the official | :20:32. | :20:38. | |
line. But it appears the supporters are dug in for a long hard winter. | :20:38. | :20:46. | |
Nigel Dodds, should these nightly protests continue? The right of | :20:46. | :20:53. | |
peaceful protest, it is important they remain peaceful and | :20:53. | :20:56. | |
non-violent. People want to express their opposition to the parades | :20:57. | :20:59. | |
commission and what they have done in rewarding violence because the | :20:59. | :21:05. | |
Orange Order acted entirely peacefully for years and years. | :21:05. | :21:09. | |
There has been discussion and dialogue and what happened was, | :21:09. | :21:13. | |
severe republican violence, the police commission rewarded that by | :21:13. | :21:18. | |
banning the Orange Order and people have reacted angrily. And that is | :21:18. | :21:21. | |
banning the Orange Order and people worth the cost? I want the | :21:21. | :21:27. | |
commission that in taking such decisions they were not just in | :21:27. | :21:33. | |
pairing a cost, but a cost to the police. Nobody wants to see this. | :21:33. | :21:37. | |
The responsibility lies with those who want to reward Ireland's | :21:37. | :21:44. | |
unpunished good behaviour. No response -- no responsibility on the | :21:44. | :21:48. | |
people taking part? None of those pictures gave you any concern? I | :21:48. | :21:54. | |
have been there and I do not want to see people running around in | :21:54. | :22:02. | |
balaclavas. We saw two people. You can't be responsible for everybody. | :22:02. | :22:08. | |
I know for a fact, let me finish, we have had a peaceful protest that has | :22:08. | :22:11. | |
I know for a fact, let me finish, we been going on for a 85 days. The | :22:11. | :22:17. | |
vast majority of people are there openly displaying who they are, what | :22:17. | :22:21. | |
they stand for, it has been non-violent and not threatening. It | :22:21. | :22:26. | |
is continue that way and have common sense in terms of moving this | :22:26. | :22:32. | |
forward. The recent initiative had a knee jerk negative reaction, that | :22:32. | :22:34. | |
should have been responded to positively. Let's get into dialogue. | :22:34. | :22:43. | |
Common, Gerry Kelly? It was a precondition which says that we will | :22:43. | :22:48. | |
talk to you as long as we get our way first. The decision has already | :22:48. | :22:53. | |
been made about the 2013 parade. Let's talk about the 2014 parade. | :22:53. | :22:59. | |
There are people disguising and breaking the law and not only | :22:59. | :23:06. | |
playing music, but masking up. Nigel says that there is no intimidation, | :23:06. | :23:11. | |
I know that there is practically nobody who will go down to Tesco's | :23:11. | :23:17. | |
where they normally shop. Why not then say, Saturday morning go ahead. | :23:17. | :23:23. | |
What is the problem with that? Read this -- read the statement, they | :23:23. | :23:30. | |
want to parade the parades commission. They should be no | :23:30. | :23:35. | |
surprise to you or the visit -- viewers talking about the parades | :23:35. | :23:39. | |
commission. They were against it from the beginning. Let me put it | :23:39. | :23:42. | |
commission. They were against it this way, the dispute is 150 yards | :23:42. | :23:47. | |
down the road, so you have to as a question, why do they bring it up to | :23:48. | :23:54. | |
an interface, a well-known interface, to raise tension when | :23:54. | :24:00. | |
that is not the issue? Why go there if you don't want trouble? A quick | :24:00. | :24:05. | |
that is not the issue? Why go there response, Nigel Dodd. It is a | :24:05. | :24:11. | |
Unionist area where people have come out for many years to support the | :24:11. | :24:15. | |
Orange banner. It used to be a shared space and that is where they | :24:15. | :24:17. | |
Orange banner. It used to be a gather and give support. That is a | :24:18. | :24:24. | |
natural point. You don't think that either of you owe it to yourselves | :24:24. | :24:28. | |
and to people watching this programme to try to come up with | :24:28. | :24:33. | |
some sort of sensible solution to save Northern Ireland £300,000 per | :24:33. | :24:40. | |
week? I know discussions have not got far, but when they don't reach | :24:40. | :24:43. | |
agreement, somebody has to make a decision. There was dialogue before | :24:43. | :24:52. | |
the 12th of July. There was a statement made from all of those | :24:52. | :24:56. | |
involved, including the Orangemen, that they would return no matter | :24:56. | :25:03. | |
what the commission decision was. You told is five minutes ago you | :25:03. | :25:09. | |
were optimistic the. Are you still? There is a big section of the | :25:09. | :25:16. | |
population, we can't dismiss the concerns of the people in Ardoyne as | :25:16. | :25:19. | |
residents or people who want to finish the parade, but there is a | :25:19. | :25:23. | |
big part of Northern Ireland, we heard of 1000 jobs being announced | :25:24. | :25:28. | |
today and sometimes we overemphasise one part of a problem. We focus on | :25:28. | :25:37. | |
symbolism that is, perhaps, is important at a superficial level. | :25:37. | :25:40. | |
What is more important is our values. Thank you to the three of | :25:40. | :25:47. | |
you for joining us. Let's get some analysis of what we | :25:47. | :25:51. | |
have heard from our resident professors, Deirdre Heenan and Rick | :25:51. | :25:57. | |
Wilford. Let's talk about Maze/Long Kesh first of all. Deirdre, we close | :25:57. | :26:02. | |
to a resolution? As the pause button been pressed all the stop button? I | :26:02. | :26:08. | |
don't think there is much to give as optimism, but we shouldn't be | :26:08. | :26:11. | |
surprised that the issue of conflict resolution centre is going to be | :26:11. | :26:15. | |
contentious. It was always going to be. One of the issues is around the | :26:15. | :26:22. | |
fact that how it happened, the DUP U-turn is indicative of the mistrust | :26:22. | :26:27. | |
that is now they're between Sinn Fein and the DUP. It would be wrong | :26:27. | :26:29. | |
to dismiss a genuine concerns of Fein and the DUP. It would be wrong | :26:29. | :26:31. | |
victims groups. Those are genuine Fein and the DUP. It would be wrong | :26:31. | :26:37. | |
concerns and I think as Peter said, what we need is a compelling vision | :26:37. | :26:42. | |
for this peace Centre that will lift it above Northern Ireland politics | :26:42. | :26:46. | |
and move it into a much more international context about the | :26:46. | :26:49. | |
future and how we can frame a future for Northern Ireland and other | :26:49. | :26:57. | |
countries can learn from us. Rick? I suppose it was so dispiriting that | :26:57. | :26:58. | |
it makes a case for the piece suppose it was so dispiriting that | :26:58. | :27:02. | |
centre. We need a venue where issues like this, history is not one set of | :27:02. | :27:09. | |
views, it is a set of competing narratives running parallel, they | :27:09. | :27:13. | |
merge, they collide. We need something like the piece centre. I | :27:13. | :27:19. | |
thought the words in the assembly this week were spoken more in | :27:19. | :27:23. | |
sadness than in anger. I have to say, and I am not from here, but it | :27:23. | :27:26. | |
does seem to me that building on the say, and I am not from here, but it | :27:26. | :27:29. | |
past both literally and say, and I am not from here, but it | :27:29. | :27:34. | |
metaphorically at Maze/Long Kesh has a lot to commend it. We heard | :27:34. | :27:38. | |
tonight the police say they will re-examine the transcripts of Gerry | :27:39. | :27:46. | |
Adams and his brothers sex abuse trial and it has emerged that Gerry | :27:46. | :27:50. | |
Adams learned about the abuse my news before he informed the police. | :27:50. | :27:54. | |
How much damage has a potentially done to his leadership of Sinn Fein? | :27:55. | :28:01. | |
I think it cast a shadow over his morality, but not political | :28:01. | :28:04. | |
leadership. In a week or so this will be largely forgotten about. I | :28:04. | :28:09. | |
think the real person who has suffered here is the individual | :28:09. | :28:13. | |
herself, a very private issue was bought public stage and her washing | :28:13. | :28:17. | |
has been put out in public and she is a person who will have to go away | :28:17. | :28:21. | |
and live with this and make a life for herself. This is the person I | :28:21. | :28:27. | |
feel sorry for. A lot of people have expressed that sentiment. | :28:27. | :28:33. | |
Absolutely. I could not agree more with Deirdre. She is a person in the | :28:33. | :28:36. | |
centre of this set of events, but the fact that he is and I will | :28:36. | :28:41. | |
reopen the file and have another look suggests that this issue will | :28:41. | :28:45. | |
not go away. It could come back to haunt him. Will it damage, is that | :28:45. | :28:53. | |
possible? Electorally, I suspect not. Carriages are being pulled | :28:53. | :28:57. | |
around to make this a personal matter and I think there is a | :28:57. | :29:01. | |
political dimensional to this and it could damage him, but I don't think | :29:01. | :29:03. | |
it will lead to his demise from public life. There were commentators | :29:03. | :29:10. | |
saying if it was any other political leader, it could be the end of the | :29:10. | :29:16. | |
road. Some of the papers describing him as a great Teflon man who can | :29:16. | :29:19. | |
walk away from issues like this, and I believe he will walk away | :29:19. | :29:24. | |
relatively unscathed. We will look at one tweet. Just before we go, | :29:24. | :29:29. | |
Neil Dougan tweeted: at least we can still laugh at | :29:30. | :29:47. | |
ourselves. The sense of humour in Northern Ireland is alive and well. | :29:47. | :29:53. | |
I think Peter made a very good points in focusing on the bigger | :29:53. | :29:57. | |
picture and the jobs announcement today and the prosperity that could | :29:57. | :30:02. | |
come if we get our act together. We will leave it there. Let's pause | :30:02. | :30:06. | |
before we go for an alternative view from the Hill. | :30:06. | :30:18. | |
Storm on security here. Rushed off my feet as usual. Today is a little | :30:18. | :30:27. | |
bit wet. Do you like the huts? This is where the Tory party conference | :30:27. | :30:31. | |
held their Northern Ireland debate. I'm only joking, it was a lot | :30:31. | :30:37. | |
smaller than this. Well done Northern Ireland, we won | :30:37. | :30:43. | |
something! Not football, don't be stupid, Northern Ireland is the | :30:43. | :30:46. | |
counterfeit capital of the UK. When it comes to dodgy fakes, we are | :30:47. | :30:51. | |
tops. Meanwhile Republicans are being pig-headed in role in the | :30:51. | :30:54. | |
tops. Meanwhile Republicans are entire country. Not our Republicans, | :30:54. | :30:58. | |
American Republicans. Our Republicans are more interested in | :30:58. | :31:03. | |
why the Giro d'Italia is not go past Republicans are more interested in | :31:03. | :31:08. | |
my house. Anyway, anyone who can't wait for the experience, get | :31:08. | :31:13. | |
yourself an exercise bike, sit on it for 82 days going nowhere and you | :31:13. | :31:16. | |
will know what it feels like I'm Twaddell Avenue. | :31:16. | :31:25. | |
That is it from The View this week. Inside politics is on radio Ulster | :31:25. | :31:31. | |
tomorrow at 6pm. Join me for Sunday Politics at 11:45am on Sunday. Thank | :31:31. | :31:35. | |
you for watching. Goodbye. | :31:35. | :31:38. |