14/01/2016 The View

Tonight, the new First Minister, Arlene Foster, on her vision

for Northern Ireland, the challenge of commemorating

the past, working with Sinn Fein and May's Assembly election.

We may come back with 40 seats. Listen, I intend to win... So it is

40? I intend to win this election convincingly. Does that mean I don't

think and reflect and look back to the consequences of what happened in

1960? Of course I will. I won't go to the commemoration which is

commemorating what I believe was a mistake.

It's a wonderful time to have an anthem that would express our unique

identity. Keep the National Anthem, God Save The Queen.

As the team prepares to take on the best in Europe,

is it time for a new sporting anthem for Northern Ireland?

With campaigning already under way in the Republic,

And in our first pairing of the year in Commentators' Corner,

we welcome back Professor Deirdre Heenan and former MLA, Dawn Purvis.

It's been four days of smiles, handshakes and air kisses

for Arlene Foster since she took on the top job of First Minister.

But with an election just months away and a political agreement

to implement, her honeymoon period is likely to be a short one.

Her big vision, she says, is to find 'a new way of doing

business' at Stormont - 'one that places a greater premium

Fine words - but how's that going to work in practice,

When Mrs Foster came into The View studio earlier,

I began by asking her about her discussions this afternoon

with the Secretary of State and the Irish Minister

I do believe we have to be honest, not least with the victims who are

waiting for this matter to be dealt with. Whilst we will continue to

engage with each other, and that is the right thing to do, and whilst we

will continue to engage with particular victims' groups and

individual victims, we have to be honest with people and say because

there are elections coming in the Republic of Ireland, it is unlikely

we will be able to deal with that outstanding issue. Again, Mark, it

is not an outstanding issue for me, it is an outstanding issue between

Sinn Fein and our own Government. You said on Monday in your

acceptance speech you are tired of Stormont being a watchword for

arguing and bickering. How do you achieve that change? Well, I think

we achieve that change by showing people that we are doing the

practical work and I hope that even today when we have been through the

review process on the fresh start, we can show we have been making

progress in relation to the issues we agreed then. And moving ahead on

legislation, moving ahead in practical ways to help people

instead of having the conflict that we had last year, some of which was

caused, albeit, outside of our control. Some of it wasn't outside

your control. Does that mean no more sniping about rogue and renegade

Sinn Fein and SDLP Ministers? Does it mean no more of Edwin Poots

having to hold his nose when dealing with Sinn Fein? That is not the

issue I was talking about. The issue I was talking about was to give

delivery on the ground. What you are talking about is a narrative. What

I'm talking about is delivering for people and I think people on the

ground want to see delivery, they want to really value Stormont and

instead of saying what does Stormont do for us, know that we are

delivering for them on the ground. That is what people want to see.

Does that mean it is OK then? You have misread what I was trying to

get at on Monday. What I was trying to talk about on Monday was the fact

we wanted to see real delivery for our people. I am focussed on

practical issues. As a mum I have to deal with practical issues every

day. It is important that we do the practical stuff. Yes, we can do the

historical lookbacks, we can talk about whatever we want to talk

about, but practical delivery is where my focus is. Today, it is

interesting that you said what you said because today we had a couple

of good examples of the kind of thing that some people think doesn't

help Stormont in terms of PR. Your party colleague, Peter Weir,

attacking the folly of the Education Minister's inflexibility and Sinn

Fein's Rosie McCorley criticising your party? We are in different

political parties and you will see us from time to time disagreeing. I

think the difference from where we were in the past is that we talk

through our difficulties. Yes, it may take us a little while to get

there and it is frustrating for people watching, but when we do get

there, we should be trying to make a difference for people on the ground.

OK. Do you accept that your relationship with Martin McGuinness

is going to be of critical importance in future? That is going

to be key to you being a successful First Minister, isn't it? I think

what is critical in terms of the whole Executive is that we come to

determination that we are there to serve the people that elect us and

to do that, we have to work together and deliver for the people on the

ground. So, Martin McGuinness will be elected by his supporters, I will

be elected hopefully in the Assembly elections by my supporters and we

have to then represent them at the highest levels and to work together

to deliver for Northern Ireland. And how would you characterise that

relationship with Martin McGuinness so far? I characterise it as one

where we work together for the good of the people of Northern Ireland

because that is what e are elected to do. Is it friendly on a

day-to-day basis? Do you trust him? Do you like him? It is something I

recognise that he comes from a very different background than I do, he's

a Republican, a strong Republican, I'm a strong unionist, we carry that

with us at all times. We have a determination to put together this

fresh start and if it is to be a real fresh start, and I know there

is a certain amount of scepticism out there around the fresh start,

but if it is to be meaningful, we have to do the job of work and that

means real delivery. There would be some members of your own party who

wouldn't like the idea of you having too cosy a relationship with Martin

McGuinness? I don't think anybody's focussed on what my relationship is

with Martin McGuinness, they are more focussed on what I'm doing for

the people of Northern Ireland. You have a difficult trick to pull off

here. You have to reach out to Nationalists, or you have said you

want to, you want to be a First Minister for everybody in Northern

Ireland. At the same time, you have to keep your own rank-and-file

happy. That is not an easy thing to pull off? It is not an easy thing

for any leader to pull off. That is the trick, if I may say it like

that, of leadership. You have to lead your people forward. And what

we are doing is setting out a positive vision for Northern

Ireland, moving into the next century of Northern Ireland, a lot

of people back in the '20s and '30s didn't give much for Northern

Ireland surviving, and here we are five years away from the centenary

of the creation of Northern Ireland. Marking the centenary of the

foundation of Northern Ireland is a few years down the line. Marking the

centenary of the Easter Rising is a couple of months away. Martin

McGuinness said this evening that 2016 and the decade of centenaries

should be something that unites us rather than divides us. He said

there are opportunities to explore, understand and celebrate rather than

fear our differences. You don't seem to agree with him on that? I don't

fear anything about 1916, I have to say I think we should spend more

time concentrating on what is happening in 2016 for our people,

instead of looking backwards. However, I can reflect, I can look

back at what happened in 1916 as easy as anyone. I was asked a

specific question by a journalist, would I go to a commemoration in

Dublin in and around Easter 1916 and I said I would not. I won't go to

the commemoration which is commemorating a mistake. Let's

clarify what you will and won't do. There's been a lot of chat about

this. The Taoiseach Enda Kenny disappointed you won't participate

in that commemorative event. He says it should be possible to come up

with some opportunity to allow you to talk about your views on 1916,

swi what you have said -- which is what you said you think you could

do. Could you see yourself accepting some invitation from the Taoiseach

to take part in a debate, discussion, which would not be part

of the formal commemoration? Absolutely. There is no reason why

not. Indeed, I had a very useful conversation today with the

Republic's Foreign Minister around those sorts of issues and of course,

at the moment, we are concentrating a lot on Easter 1916, but this is a

year of huge significance for the island as well in relation to what

happened at the Battle of the Somme, and that is something that we will

have to deal with as well. I hope the people will reflect on the

significance of that as well. Just to leave this one, if the right

invitation is forth coming from the Taoiseach, you will accept it? Yes.

Would you expect in five years' time, you may be issuing an

invitation to the Taoiseach, whoever that is, to attend an event, marking

the creation of the Northern Ireland state? Again, in 1921, there is a

lot happening, there was a lot happening on this island, both in

terms of the creation of Northern Ireland and everything that was

going on in the Republic of Ireland. So, obviously, there will be events

that whoever the Taoiseach is at that particular time will want to

come to and reflect on. That is right. Again, he or she should only

go to what they are comfortable with and what they think is appropriate,

just as I should only go to whatever I think is appropriate. You have

only been in the job a few days. If you are First Minister in five

years' time, is that the kind of invitation you would want to extend?

Absolutely. David Gavaghan has said the task of selling Northern Ireland

as a place to do business, with the proposed reduction in corporation

tax here, is made more uncertain by this lack of clarity on the UK's

relationship with the European Union. Does he perhaps have a point?

I think it is important that the Prime Minister completes his

negotiations in February at the next meeting, so that we can have clarity

on what his position is in relation to his relationship and then that we

have an early referendum so that we can once and for all deal with this

issue because I think there has been a lot of confusion whilst the

negotiations o on. -- go on. I do agree we need to have the referendum

and the decision. How do you plan to sell Northern Ireland on the enter

national stage, against the backdrop of what David Gavaghan is talk

about? I'm looking forward to going out to the US in March to help

launch the Corporation Tax. I hope to be out there in New York to start

with, to sell it because of course I have travelled the US on many

occasions as Enterprise and Trade and Minister. This time, I will be

able to talk about a new tool in the box and I will be doing that in a

very meaningful way. That is March as in St Patrick's Day? Yes. What

about European Union membership. Many people believe Northern Ireland

does well out of the UK's membership of the EU. The DUP seems to be

sceptical about the value of that relationship. Are you clear

precisely what you, what your position will be within the DUP when

it comes for that vote to take place? We have to wait for the

negotiation to finish. If we were to take a decision now in relation to

our relationship with Europe at this particular point in time, we would

be campaigning to come out of Europe. We have to see what the

Prime Minister has to say in relation to his negotiations, how he

finishes up, and then we will make a call. Your acceptance speech on

Monday was big on your vision for the future. You want to create a

Northern Ireland where people can live together in a society free of

strife and conflict. You want people to be confident, proud, to love this

country with the same passion that I do. All fine and good, but how do

you propose to accommodate people who regard themselves as Irish in

the new Northern Ireland? Well, I think if the Census told us

anything, the last census, and we know there is a census in the near

future, there was quite a growing number of people who identified

themselves as Northern Irish and those people want to see us being

proud of this place and to get a sense of being Northern Irish and I

really want to build on that brand and to say to people, you know, if

you identify yourself as Irish, well and good, but you live in Northern

Ireland, let's make it work and let's take it forward. There are

also people in the place that you call Northern Ireland who identify

with the Irish language, who identify with the GAA, who support

the Republic of Ireland's football team, who say they are Irish rather

than Northern Irish or British and who look to the Irish Tricolor than

the Union Flag. Where do they fit in this place? What do you say to them

about being their First Minister as well? I said to them very clearly

that if you are Nationalists, if you believe you have an aspiration to

have an all Ireland at some time in the future that, is a matter for

you. For me, I will help you if you need help. Will you go to a GAA

match? I have said very clearly I will consider it on the merits and I

will look at that invitation if and when it comes. I don't fear that at

all. I am completely confident in my own skin. I don't fear the Irish

language. I have no desire to engage in it. I do understand that there

are others who have that desire to engage in the Irish language. A

straight question - would you go to a GAA match?

I haven't been asked. Imagine you were. Your predecessor did it. My

colleagues have been at GAA matches. I do not think it is a big deal. Can

I take that as a yes? You can if you want but I have to receive the

invitation first. We will see if that is forthcoming. Your party had

38 seats last time. This time, you are facing a confident Unionist

party, you could really struggled to come back to the Assembly with the

same number of seats in May. Is that your opinion? Well, you could. I

don't think I will. I'm very confident of our vision that we are

setting out. We have a very strong team of candidates right across

Northern Ireland and I think we are asking people to buy into a positive

vision of a Northern Ireland that has had difficulties in the past. We

are starting afresh and we believe in the country. I want people to

identify with that positive vision. So are you saying you will win 38

seats this time? No. I am saying I am very confident about the election

and I have already started to go out around the province and the reaction

has been positive. What is the benchmark in terms of seats? I will

not get involved and saying how many seats because I will be in the

studio in May and you will remind me of that. Of course. Success will be

if we come back as the largest unionist party and I believe we will

come back as the largest unionist party and more than that I believe

we will come back as the largest party. But if you really thought you

would get 38 seats, you would say that now. Why? You wouldn't see it

because you would be concerned that you might not get the 38. And I will

cast it up to you. We may get 46. I intend to win this election

convincingly but I look forward to our engagement on election night

because inevitably they are always positive. They are always very

interesting and lively, especially at 2am or 3am. You mention the

figure of 40, C let it slip. If you get fewer than 40, you will be

disappointed. I want to come back not only as the largest unionist

party but as the largest party, so that we can go forward and I can

continue with my vision for Northern Ireland as First Minister of

Northern Ireland. In that campaign will be fought on all kinds of

issues, I have no doubt, but you will -- that you have made it clear

there will be no big change to what the DUP stands for and they will

still adhere to its Christian values. You also said you would not

rule out a free vote on same-sex marriage in future, W said you do

not think it will be necessary because you do not think they will

vote in favour of it anyway. Do you believe that? I do because I have

many conversations with colleagues and I know the media like to look at

the party and say that person would vote in a particular way, but I have

had discussions right across the party and I believe that that is the

case. That's interesting because I have a lot of discussions with

people as well and I had an interesting one with a MLA and said

that if that issue came back to the Assembly committee or she would not

vote against it if he or she had a free vote and went on to say that

other individuals would invoked -- would vote in favour of same-sex

marriage. That is very interesting but it is hearsay because I speak to

my colleagues right across the party and I will continue to do so because

I hope that my leadership and I have made that very clear to all of my

colleagues that I am open and my door will always be open to have

these sorts of conversations and when I said that I would not rule

out a free vote on these issues, I have not, I just simply have to have

that conversation with colleagues in the party and I know Peter talked

about in the past and we will continue to do so. And what about

petition of concern because the fresh agreement says it can only be

used in future in exceptional circumstances. I wonder if this will

be one of those circumstances because when this was last voted on,

if it had been a straightforward majority vote same-sex marriage

would have passed by 53 votes. I did a very simple view on all of this.

We give a manifest commitment that we will stand up for traditional

values and marriage and that is exactly what we have committed

ourselves to in the manifesto and that is what we have been achieving

through the Assembly and we will set out what our position is in our

manifesto for the next election and we will stick by that as well so we

use the mechanism to stick by our commitments. Tim McGarry joked

recently that Margaret Thatcher was known as the iron lady and you will

be known as the Norn Irn lady. Did that make you smile? It did,

actually. A good friend of mine sent me a card with that very message on

it. Thank you for joining us. Arlene Foster declaring herself ready for

the challenges ahead. A game of political football has kicked off

over which anthem should be used by the Northern Ireland soccer team.

The issue's come up again because of efforts by a Westminster

MP to stop God Save The Queen being used by the England team,

which, if successful, would leave Northern Ireland

as the only one of the four home countries to play it.

The IFA says it's a matter for the politicians to decide,

but tonight that's been rejected by the Office of the First

and Deputy First Ministers which has told this programme the playing

of a national anthem, or any song at a game,

is a matter for the organisation involved.

Here's our Political Correspondent, Gareth Gordon.

These are good times to be a Northern Ireland fan. They and the

team are on a high. New anthems included in this rather old one is

still around to. God Save The Queen Plays. For as

long as anyone can remember, God Save The Queen has been played

before Northern Ireland internationals and that is the way

many of the fans like it. But is it now time for a change of tune? Fresh

air has been breathed into the argument because of this man, to

Perkins. He wants England to have its own sporting anthem, like

Scotland and Wales which would lead Northern Ireland out on its own. The

Northern Irish football team sing God Save The Queen. I have had

contact the media and citizens in Northern Ireland and the collars

into BBC Northern Ireland were very enthusiastic about the idea of been

giving a choice. But that will be a matter for them to decide. We here

at the Londonderry air known as Danny boy. So is football ready for

a change? We asked Linfield fans before this week 's game. God Save

The Queen is the anthem of our country. God Save The Queen because

it is our national anthem. We are proud of our national anthem so God

Save The Queen is good enough for me. They have changed enough. There

are two populations live in this country. God Save The Queen has

always been our national anthem so let them have Jerusalem. God Save

The Queen. That is what they should sing because the Queen is our

monarch. But that is not the universal view. A poll indicates

that more than 80% support a new sporting anthem. That is the view of

Northern Ireland fan and blogger when Polly. I think it is an

excellent idea, particularly having qualified for the European

Championships in 2016. It is a wonderful time to have an anthem

that would express our unique identity as part of the United

Kingdom rather than an anthem which really expresses the identity of the

whole United Kingdom, and I believe the majority of fans do want to see

eventually and probably the majority of players as well. This is an

endless pawn analyst who covers the Northern Irish team. -- an English

journalist. I have often wondered how that would be perceived by

journalists from other countries and would they say there is late may be

a bit of unrest and a bit of conflict in the team and they are

not showing the unity that they would like to express. It is

different when they are playing, but when the anthem is sung, it is not

sung by everybody. We asked the new First Minister what she thought. We

have an national anthem at, as you know, that I am also very conscious

that we don't want to get into the politicisation of sport because

sport is something that unites people and right across Northern

Ireland people are getting behind our sporting heroes and when I look

at what happened in France at the weekend with Ulster Rugby and we are

very much looking forward to the Urals in terms of the Northern

Ireland football team so sport is something that unites us. We have a

national anthem and I don't think there is any need to tinker with

that. What about Sinn Fein? On its own, it will not make a massive

amount of difference but there are a range of options that could be put

in place that would make Windsor Park a more welcoming sports stadium

for all the communities you. Do you feel it is not that at the moment?

No. I feel there is still a chilled there and I think the playing of God

Save The Queen adds to that. A spokesman for the Irish Football

Association said the question of a Northern Irish anthem was a matter

for the politicians, but tonight the office of the First Minister and

Deputy First Minister said that the playing of a national anthem or any

song at football matches is a matter for the organisation involved.

Mixing metaphors, that puts the ball right back in the football authority

bust court. We will hear the thoughts of commentators on that

very shortly. Before that, let's turn our

attention to the Republic's general election, which is

just around the corner, and there's all manner

of speculation about how people Could Enda Kenny make history

as the first Fine Gael Taoiseach to lead a single party government,

or will the vote splinter to such a degree that another election

is the only solution? Mary Minihan from the Irish Times

joins me from Dublin. Mary, unfair question, I know,

but if you had to call it today, who would you say

would come out on top? I did not bring my crystal ball on

tonight, but certainly the conventional wisdom is that the

Taoiseach, and Kenny, will be back with his Fianna Fail party. In a

diminished form but not massively diminished. Fianna Fail has made it

clear Norn Irn that it's -- by cycads made it clear that its

preferred partner is the Labour Party. The date in mind is February

the 26, which is not too far off but a pool of balls was done recently

and it found that were Fianna Fail and Labour to get back, they could

be a good 15 seats short of the magic number of 80 seats which would

give them a majority so that means they will have to look at a third

leg of the Government still, if you like, and we will be look for that

leg? 15 seats is quite a lot and that is either looking at a new

party or an enormous amount of independence and would be be able to

find like-minded independence, that is another question. You raised a

lot of permutations there. I think a lot of people here are wondering

where Sinn Fein sits in all of that. There is speculation about its

perhaps doing a deal with some of the smaller parties or perhaps

knocking Fianna Fail fits purge on becoming the -- of its perch and

becoming the opposition party. Many have said that Sinn Fein and Fianna

Fail are auditioning to become leaders of the opposition next time

round and there will be a lot of interest in Northern Ireland as to

how Sinn Fein does and the election in the Republic. I think it will be

a good election. It currently has 14 seats out of 166 and it has been a

little bit shy of predicting how well it might do in elections

because it has done that in the past and it has come a cropper, really

but I think in certain constituencies, such as Donegal,

Sinn Fein easily get three seats out of five and have a very good result

there. It is kind of in combat with Fianna Fail, which until the last

general election Wisley BBC map of Irish politics -- was the panic of

Irish politics. It now has 20 seats -- the behemoth of Irish politics.

For Fianna Fail, according to its chilled director of elections, a

good result for them would be somewhere in the region of 35 to 40

seats, which does not put them in a position to lead a Government, which

is what they say they want to do. The economy will be a big factor in

determining how people vote, but what will be the other issues?

I would put the economy at the top of the list. While not everyone is

feeling the recovery, there is no doubt about that, I think even the

Government's worst enemy would have to concede that things have improved

greatly since the dark days ahead of the last election. Yes, there are

certainly other issues, childcare is going to be a really big one.

Working parents have found their voice ahead of this election and are

complaining to the Government about how expensive childcare is and

abortion will come up again and all sorts of random issues can come up

during campaigns, as you know. Weirdly, a strange one could be

weather in this campaign. There have been some constituencies in the

Republic which have suffered terribly from flooding and while

they don't blame the Government for the rain, I think they have been

made really angry I suppose by the sort of delayed response, the sense

that Government figures took a long time to leave their cosy homes, if

you like, over Christmas and come down and visit people in really

badly-flooded areas and try and explain what they might be able to

do for them. Finally, there was a lot of speculation a while back

about the prospect of Sinn Fein being in Government north and south

on the island of Ireland for the centenary of the Easter Rising. Has

that all been withered on the vine at this stage? Sinn Fein is saying

it wants to be in Government. There is no doubt about that. I can't say

that there are an enormous amount of parties queueing up to want to form

a coalition with Sinn Fein. There is no doubt that the left is very much

on the rise in the Republic, but I think as you often see among

left-wing parties, there is a lot of tension between them. You have a lot

of left-wing Independents, you have an anti-austerity alliance, they are

on the rise as well, and they are fishing in the same pool for votes

as Sinn Fein, so whether or not those parties could in the first

instance secure enough votes to form a Government and in the second

instance actually manage to overcome their difficulties and come together

to form a Government, that's a question that remains to be

answered. Fascinating stuff. From elections to anthems,

to the new First Minister - tonight there's more than enough

to chew over with my commentators - and joining me tonight

are Deirdre Heenan and the former Good to see you both. Let's talk

about that interview with Arlene Foster. Do you think we are looking

at a new style of political leadership in Northern Ireland? I

think she was very comfortable in her own skin, she was engaging, she

didn't seem in the least bit fazed by your questions, although at one

point there was some hesitancy when you asked the

question about the GAA. The looming election is a double edged sword.

She can try and put her own stamp on what is happening, but she knows she

is going to be watched closely by the DUP for any signs of appeasement

towards her, Sinn Fein, towards the SDLP. She is walking on a fine line

here and trying to strike the balance. The most interesting thing

she said was the trick of leadership is about moving forward for your

people. I hope she means the people of Northern Ireland as a whole and

not just the people who voted for her. We want to see a First Minister

who is a First Minister for everyone in Northern Ireland. An interesting

point. Do you think she can pull off that trick, lead the DUP and

successfully and lead Northern Ireland? I think if she had a longer

run-in before the election, that is something we could see. On a

positive note, she provides a role model and the visibility of women in

public life. I think her commitment with victims and also the positivity

around engaging with Sinn Fein and Government and negotiating and

planning for the future. But what I don't see the actions matching the

language because I see more followship rather than leadership.

In the lead-up to the election, we are going to see that the language

of the leadership is all around the saber rattling and the looming ghost

of a Sinn Fein First Minister. Did you see that hesitation that Deirdre

referred to in her answer on the GAA? Yes, I think there is going to

be hesitation around all of that. She is going to publish a manifesto

and the insinuation in that is that any member of the DUP that stands

for election as an MLA and gets elected will have to commit to that

manifesto regardless of whether she allows a free vote or not. How does

she deal with the issue of commemorations? I think you would

have noted in that interview a softening of her tone. The early

omens weren't good and people were horrified by her initial response

because a First Minister should be First Minister for everyone in

Northern Ireland. That interview indicated some softening of her

position saying if the invitation was right, she would come along to a

conference, or a historical talk about commemorations. It is a

difficult issue but I think she will have to strike a balance around,

going back to the point, trying to please everyone. It is a difficult

position. I would be more hopeful after that conversation where she is

saying that she would be positive and she would act in a positive way

if the right invitation came along. I think the issue for her is to date

she has got on with the business of Government and has been very

efficient. Now she is going to have to step into ideological debates

that she has so far avoided. She needs a good election before you can

expect to see any big gestures towards nationalism in Northern

Ireland. That is going to be a challenge? It is. Given the rise of

the Ulster Unionists. Let's talk about the election in the Republic

and the position of Sinn Fein. Interesting to hear from Mary

Minahan. What is your reading of how that is shaping up? The whole thing

is - we don't know when the election will be. It will be the end of

February. It will be early and historic. You would say if sit about

the economy, Enda Kenny should get back in without many problems. The

difficulty for him is, the talk of recovery and regeneration has

largely happened around the capital and Dublin. The big issue for him is

the rural areas. They haven't felt the recovery and for them, it is

about immigration, unemployment, it is about empty towns, ghost towns

and that is something that he is going to have to have answers for.

The difficulty will be for the may -- minor parties. Do you have a

fixed position on an anthem for Northern Ireland soccer? You have to

remove politics from sport. Can you do that? You have to. We need to

focus on an anthem that is about motivating the team. We have an

anthem that does not motivate the team. Some heads are up, some are

down. The responsibility for this lies with the IFA and I think they

need to look tat the -- at the regulations to see if there is room

for two anthems, for the playing of the National Anthem and an anthem

that will motivate the team and the supporters. The supporters have

given their view. 80% of them would like to see a new anthem. We have

great singer-songwriters. Gary Lightbody has offered to pen a new

anthem. The IFA should take him up on it. Favourite Bowie track? We

Should be Be Heroes. Not a great Bowie fan. But some of the '80s

stuff was very good, like Absolute Beginners. Thank you both very much

indeed for being with us. That's it from The View

for this week. Join me for Sunday Politics

at 11.35 here on BBC One. We've already heard from the woman

of the moment on the programme, but we thought we'd leave

you with her answer to the question everyone else was

being asked this week. # Let 's dance

# Put on your red shoes and dance the blues

# Let Let's dance # To the sound they're playing on

the radio # Let's sway

# While colour lights up your face # Let's sway

# Sway through the crowd to a So, no-one pays tax here?

No-one pays taxes.