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Day one of the election campaign proper and already a major skirmish.

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One of the most senior legal figures in Northern Ireland takes

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on Conservative and Unionist criticism over his impartiality -

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Legacy is back in the headlines and in a big way -

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are prosecutions of soldiers a witch hunt or long delayed justice?

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Has this pushed back even further dealing with the past?

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Plus, it'll be just ten months from the last one -

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so who's in the market for a new election?

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I will not be voting again, they are not worth voting for.

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Also tonight, after Ian Paisley said many people were further down

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the road to reconciliation than the politicians,

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I'll be talking to two men who've been a witness to that

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And one week in office, we've Donald Trump as you've

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And in better voice - hopefully - our commentators

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Ex-soldiers will march on Westminster tomorrow

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in their continuing campaign against being prosecuted

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It's escalated to such an extent that one of the most

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senior legal figures here, the Director of Public Prosecutions,

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Barra McGrory, has hit back at critics who say

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Joining me now are the DUP's Sir Jeffrey Donaldson

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Barra McGrory has been defending himself against those charges

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made against him today - but tonight your party

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leader has again claimed the prosecution of soldiers

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It looks like the DPP has become collateral damage

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in the early stages of this brutal election campaign.

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This is an issue that is gathering momentum at Westminster. A

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across-the-board, not just for those interested in Northern Ireland

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politics. But it has dragged Barra McGrory into it, it has become

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toxic, the Director of Public Prosecutions has been pulled into

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the NT is not happy. It was the BBC who went to interview him, the

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political parties. In terms of the problem that we have, this is a

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symptom of the problem. I think we need to understand what the problem

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is. We have a system at the moment that is not fair. We have a system

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that is focused almost entirely on what the state does. Barra McGrory

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can only take decisions based on files presented to him and someone

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is preparing those files and it is not the Director of Public

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Prosecutions, it is the PSNI, they are legacy investigation unit, which

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is almost entirely dedicated, despite the fact there are 3000

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unsolved murders, over 90% of those killings were carried out by Carolus

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paramilitaries, despite that, over 90% of the resources available to

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the PSNI legacy investigation unit is going towards investigating what

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the States did. That is the problem. Last December we heard from the

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Assistant Chief Constable but on the prosecution of soldiers there is no

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witchhunt, nor specific human, he said he is simply fulfilling his

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stature to the rule to investigate all deaths duelling the Troubles. I

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have to challenge that. You do not believe him rich and Mark I have

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investigated this. We have asked questions at the Policing Board. Let

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us be clear. The moment most of the resources of the units that were

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referred to, the legacy investigation Branch, it is going

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towards investigating what's the state did. Let me ask the PSNI, who

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is investigating bloody Friday? None of their resources are investigating

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those atrocities. I am entitled to ask the question why. Why the focus

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on what the state did. I will bring Gerry Kelly in but stick with such

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you have moved the conversation away from Anna McCrory, are you

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suggesting that you are happy with the way he conducts himself? -- from

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Barra McGrory. Barra McGrory and his team, that file has been compiled

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after investigation, they are not responsible. But there has been

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criticism is directed against the Director of Public Prosecutions, he

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said his integrity has been questioned, it is not clear to him

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and his staff, are you saying you are no prepared to give your

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unequivocal support to Barra McGrory as DPP? My criticism is not elected

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towards the DPP. Does he have your complete support? I will answer the

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question the way I want to do. It is this. I am clear. The problem is

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that the cases against soldiers are not being investigated by Barra

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McGrory or the DPP. You have said that. We need to understand this. He

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has to take the decision based on an investigation, a police

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investigation, whether this to be a prosecution. He has two criteria. Is

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it in the public interest? Is there sufficient evidence? I do not see

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the file therefore I cannot second-guess what the public

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prosecutor does and does not know. The DUP and others have started an

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attack on the DPP. I am glad he is pulling away from that. These

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attacks work on the basis that he had defended Republicans. As he said

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he had defended Republicans, Unionists, loyalists, all types,

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which is the duty of any lawyer anyway. And should I take the

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position that because he defended loyalists, or Unionists members of

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the DUP and UUP that he is biased? That is ludicrous. They were in the

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wrong. Now they have shifted onto a different thing, they want to shift

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the blame someone else. Barra McGrory has your complete support of

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his role as Director of Public Prosecutions, do you accept that

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this looks to Unionists like another example of what they see as a

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one-sided process where the physical opponents are attempting to be right

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things? Nobody asked what was her view. Hiding behind other people's

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perception does not cut it. If you are a politician you must lead as

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well. Let me deal with proportionality, the proportionality

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that has been brought up many times, and I noticed that as soon as the

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election was caused -- calls, to try and move away from the scandal

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within RHI and, they went to this issue. Proportionality, let us deal

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with it. In terms of the number of British soldiers who have been

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convicted over the last 40 years, I can remember for. Only four. Lee

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Clegg was found guilty of murder, he did 22 months, sorry, Ian Clegg did

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37 months. Somebody else did 22 months. All were brought back into

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the British Army. Is that the way the British deal with justice? Does

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that look one-sided to you? He is complaining about soldiers being in

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for a limited amount of time. Let me remind you, the man who exploded a

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bomb on the Shankill Road and murdered I believe seven innocent

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people on that occasion, was convicted of seven life sentences,

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and he was released after a much less period, it was made lace, and

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he served seven years in prison, which is less than one year for each

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life that he destroyed. Why was he released? Because of a deal that was

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done and an Agreement that I post for that very reason. He was

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released as part of a political settlement which the majority of

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politicians and people in this country supported. People will be

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dismayed about the two of you trading insults and examples across

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the table. We are answering your questions. It was DUP that raise the

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issue of proportionality. Let us deal with that yet again. An

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estimate of 20,000 Republicans have gone through jail, they have done

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100,000 years in jail. If you want to talk about proportionality, talk

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about it. Unionists are concerned, I have heard this on the radio,

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Republicans are keen on getting 100% transparency in relation to the 10%

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of killings carried out by state forces, not so keen on complete

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transparency for the 60% of Republican related killings. There

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you go again with the 10%, if you deal with the over 300 deaths by

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state forces, add to that will prove collusion, which brings the number

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over 1000, even though 90% is a nonsense. Let us adjust the figures.

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If you are concerned about 100% chance and see in a mission to 40%

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of killings, the point remains the same, you are not so keen on the

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other percentage. We have been through a number of negotiations in

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the Stormont House Agreement and in fresh start. The architecture was

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set up to deal with this right across the board. Most victims and

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survivors want truth, -- want the truth, some want more. If you want

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to deal with legacy, proportionality, there is over 50

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legacy cases, some of them over 40 years old, the Lord Chief Justice,

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not a politician, maybe he will get attacked next, he said he could sort

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it out in five years, the DUP and the British Government will not hand

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out this small amount of money which will allow justice to be done. How

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did you respond? Let me be clear, I have never attacked the DPP or any

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of the judicial system. The problem is... A lot of politicians have. I

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am the person who reads the DUP team in dealing with legacy issues, we

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reached the Stormont House Agreement and we stand by that and the

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Stormont House Agreement made provision, and we want to implement

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that, but you will not allow it to be implemented, over issues related

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to national security. We are ready to implement this Agreement is

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tomorrow and that is the way forward. People out there want to

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hear about how we are going to resolve this issue. Let me speak.

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The legacy case set outside that, to allow the money to go ahead, at

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least get something that works. Address that point. I am sorry but

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we are not going to allow a one-sided process to continue to be

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even more one-sided. That is not on. Tell that to the actual victims and

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families. Tell that... You are on the other side of the fence to the

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Lord Chief Justice? He has set down his view of how this matter could be

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dealt with as expeditiously as possible and you disagree? No. You

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still blocked the proposal. You cannot create a hierarchy of

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victims, where a certain element gets priority. The rest of the

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victims are ignored. That is what has happened. He says you are trying

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to put members of the British Army above the law? No. There has to be a

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level playing field, the moment there isn't. You would be happy for

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the soldiers to be prosecuted if other people were prosecuted as

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well? I believe nobody is above the law. Would you be happy for them to

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be prosecuted in certain certain -- circumstances, or never at all?

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Should they ever be prosecuted? I'm going to deal with that. It is a

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simple question. Are there any circumstances in which there are

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soldiers should be prosecuted? Era nobody is above the law. If they are

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guilty of murder... You don't know unless they have been prosecuted? If

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they are being accused, the law has to take its course. Should they be

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prosecuted in those circumstances? I am coming to that. Please do. Well

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if you let me answer... I've had to ask you six times. We have had an

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anomaly in the agreement, if a soldier is convicted of murder, he

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does not benefit under the early release programme that is available

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to terrorist prisoners. I think that has to be dealt with. I think we

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have to look at all options here. That might include a statute of

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limitations. You can't apply the same criteria to soldiers as you do

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to terrorists because the criteria requires you to support an illegal

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organisation. There are circumstances which might meet your

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approval, where they could be prosecuted? And certain

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circumstances where they are not prosecuted. That is the point I'm

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trying to make. The problem at the moment is that soldiers are not

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covered by the provisions of the agreement. That is unfair. I

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remember this, I was in the house of Jean McBride, the mother of Peter

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McBride, killed by Fisher and Wright. Mo Mowlam gave a guaranteed

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it would be dealt with like anybody else. Within weeks, she released

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them on the basis that she did not want British troops connected to...

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A simple question, you have said that you support Barry McGrory and

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acted in a fair and evenhanded way. There were many Republican killings

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were those responsible were not brought towards the courts. Would

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you be happy to see IRA men brought to the courts if fresh evidence came

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to light to enable prosecutions? Under Section 32, the PMS I are

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still investigating all of those issues. -- PSNI. And if it came

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forward, they would be prosecuted. Do you agree with that? It would

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take its course. Will you answer that? Everybody under the law. I

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accept that. It would be uncomfortable for you? I am just

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clarifying. It would not be uncomfortable for me. Here is the

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issue, Sinn Fein's decision, from the start, has been the truth

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commission. It was the Unionists that refuse to go for that. The

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compromise was the architecture we are talking about. How would it be

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possible when the IRA doesn't technically exist? The people exist.

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The people that say they weren't in it! Former members of the IRA take

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part in truth recovery? Ask him if the UDR would come forward. Would

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you can forward? I have already said, if I am asked to come forward,

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I would come forward. Do you think that others in the IRA would? Those

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people have to deal with that. The point you made was that it does not

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exist, the people exist. I used to be in the IRA and I still exist.

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Very quickly. What has happened here is that they do not want any state

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forces to be prosecuted or even to come forward with the truth. That is

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what it's about. Not necessarily the case that people would agree with

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you, but thank you for that. The Assembly election campaign got

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under way formally today and it's The big question, though,

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is will voters be mobilised by the Renewable Heating scandal

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or will they be turned off by the political bickering and yet

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another Stormont shutdown? Enda McClafferty has been

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testing opinion in some of the constituencies

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with the lowest turnout last time, Make no mistake about it, politics

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right now in places like Kilroy is a hard sell. Just look at the response

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to this question. If anybody's going to vote in the next election, please

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raise your hand. No hands went up. Hardly surprising, in a constituency

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where half the electorate didn't bother to vote in the last assembly

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election. Eight months on, and there is clearly no appetite for another

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vote. I don't think I'll be voting again. They are not worth voting

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for. I think we are all worn down. How far are we from the last

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election, really? Did you vote last time? I did, but not this time. No

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more. Enough is enough. I don't think we need another election. It's

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not time for us not to have government in place. Agriculture is

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in crisis, education, health, everywhere we looked, problems and

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infrastructure across the board. This will be an assembly election

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like no other. The numbers will be very different. Of the 108 assembly

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members leaving Stormont this week, only 90 will be returning. 18 will

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be out of a job. But that is only part of the picture. A more

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important figure might be the percentage turnout. The figures show

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a growing number of voters here are slowly turning their back on

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politics. Over the past 19 years, the percentage turnout in assembly

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elections dropped by 15%. So, the parties have a lot to consider. Last

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time round, we had five constituencies which recorded 50% or

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less. Only one constituency recorded over 64%. There is a question

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whether or not the nonvoters will be galvanised, or whether the trend of

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a decreasing turnout will apply this time round as well. People that have

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been voting on having called the hard-core in each party. But the

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centre ground has just faded away from voting. Do you think we might

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lose some big hitters in this? You have one seat less, a number of

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large names might fall. It's a question of fighting, really, within

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parties, rather than between parties for seats. The heart of West Tyrone,

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59% of voters turned out here last time. But the mood is very different

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now. Stormont, on television, sometimes, it is going across the

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whole world, what we like? Fighting, squabbling and squabbling. Where is

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it going to end? I'm disgusted at politics, I really am. I think there

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will be a bigger turnout this time. Why? Because of the situation. There

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are some facts they still need to be letting on to people that was going

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on when they were in power. These students at the Northwest Institute

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were among the 56% who voted in the constituency last time. Our young

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people tuned in to what is happening at Stormont, or are they

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disillusioned with politics? It is frustrating that people seem to vote

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for the same people over and over again, and they keep doing the same

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thing. They can't seem to agree. I don't think young people realise

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there is an alternative. People are angry, already, people go and have

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their say, people that have never voted before I going to vote. Moobs

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people I know don't care. -- most people I know. Stormont does not do

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anything to help the youth. Education is always the first thing

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cut. Dislodging the old guard at Stormont will not be easy. Don't

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expect any fresh faces. What we can expect is lots of political wheeling

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and dealing, maybe the prospect of another election beyond March the

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2nd. Enda McClafferty there,

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listening to the views of people Now, we're not normally big

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on patting ourselves on the back, but last week's programme did

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get people talking. Ian Paisley's thank

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you to Martin McGuinness And here's something else that

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caught many people's attention too - when I asked Mr Paisley about how

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other unionists might thoughts on Mr McGuinness's

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contribution. Do you think other Unionists, some

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of them don't understand it? I don't think it is necessary for Ian

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Paisley or any Unionists to sit on a show like this and qualify every

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comment with the fact, I'm a Protestant, think something

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different to the cassock beside me, I am a Unionists I think something

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different to the Republican beside me. We have to Dennis Praet we are

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beyond that. Dashed to the Catholic but beside me.

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Well, the Reverend Steve Stockman and Father Martin Magill launched

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the Four Corners Festival five years ago to encourage people out

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of their comfort zones in the city of Belfast.

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The comments must have been like mana from heaven. But then it was

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like business as usual? That was remarkable. Tonight we have had

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white noise again. I am looking for the politician making me stop and

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think, did he really say that? Ian Paisley did that. Everybody has

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conspiracy theories about why he said it. It has been a conversation

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starter all week long. Everybody was talking about it. I don't know how

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many reviews and treats you have had, but it has been a remarkable

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change in tone, even in the conversations in the street. It was

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the biggest viewing audience ever in four and a half years. It caught

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public attention. The question is, does it make a difference, does it

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help reframe the political debate at the beginning of a brutal election

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campaign? I think it does. Taking the likes of social media, last

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week, following it on Facebook and Twitter, the enormous response. It

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is still a talking point. To some extent, it gives us an opportunity

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to build on that. The article on Grace, another talking point. I am

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detecting a real sea change. I am very much aware, that we would not

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be able to take the matter have some of the conversations we are having.

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I think things have changed. It seems there are two parallel

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conversations going on, what you have described as white noise, where

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politicians talk at each other, and the other one, perhaps not in front

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of television cameras quite so much, they do not come out with the

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chestnuts that we are used to seeing on television studios, on the radio.

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What do you think you can do about that? If there is a public appetite

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for change, how do you deliver that? I have talked to a lot of

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politicians. I am amazed when I talk to them, privately when we have

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spoken at Four Corners, these are people that want to bring change to

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society. They get in of cameras, they play their party line, and you

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go, what happened there? They say they have a mandate? That is the

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problem we all have. 45% didn't vote the last time. We are expecting

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peace and reconciliation to drip down from the hill, it has to creep

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up. We have to give collateral to the people on the hill. They are

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trying to find out how they can get the vote out for the election, what

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can they say to get people out of their seats to vote? If 45% are

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apathetic, they are not going to vote. If they say, this is what we

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are going to do for you, there is a change in the groundswell. A

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politician said to me, leaving an event, I have just got to be more

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courageous. I thought we could make him more courageous if we were

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prepared to change the conversation and maybe more people vote for the

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things we want to vote for. Reconciliation should be higher. We

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should be thinking about the future more than the past. The politicians

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on the Hill need to looking over their shoulder. Politicians at

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election time think they have to deliver a message that the public

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wants to hear. That is what they think will get them votes. They say

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if you don't vote for me, you will get the other fellow, and you don't

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want him, you want me, so you've got to just vote the ticket. You got to

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do what you got to do. Even if you might be tempted to do something

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different, you'd better not risk it? The likes of next week, and we will

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hear from a representative of the University later, I was talking to

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some young people from the students union, and I am hearing a sense of,

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we do not want an orange and Green approach this time around. We are

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tired of it. There is anger and frustration at it. If that was the

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case more people would thought for other parties, more people would go

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and vote, but they do not. One of the contributors docs about

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squabbling and squabbling. With all respect to the previous contributors

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who work life year, there were a few moments where I thought it was quite

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helpful conversation, but really it was a turn off. Some of the youngest

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members of the last Assembly were those who came out with the least

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reconstructed contributions, it is not as if that is... I listen to

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them every Monday and Tuesday, there was not much clear blue thinking

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going on. You said earlier, what they portray to the public, they are

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not going to the public, they are going to their constituency. Somehow

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this other groundswell that wants change has to say there is a

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constituency and you are not coming to our constituency, and if we

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decide to vote for other parties, there will have to be a change from

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the ground rather than the top. In terms of reconciliation we need to

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be saying that louder and making it clear to our politicians, enough of

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the beckoning of the past. Stay with us.

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Let's bring in our commentators at this stage -

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I suppose there is a disconnect between what you are saying and what

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happens on polling day when people decide they want to fall along

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tribal lines, they might be saying we are tired, we cannot stand the

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beckoning, and people dancing around issues, and what they were saying

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depended on their perspective, and it is hard to see a meeting of

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minds. The reality is, not what you are saying is wrong, but when people

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thought they still vote along tribal lines and they are still voting to

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keep people out. Tonight we heard a lot, and the warm glow that we heard

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last week 's forgotten about. So how do you shift away from the debates

:30:43.:30:47.

of the past and engage with the 45% of people who do not bother or

:30:48.:30:51.

cannot bring themselves to vote, how do you turn that around? We need to

:30:52.:30:59.

get away from this wishy-washy situation, people should not be

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afraid to see a side is in the wrong, and the missing element is

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that Unionism has a particular problem with giving that hardliners.

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That is not necessarily a harsh criticism of Unionism. It is less

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inextricably linked. Talking about looking over their shoulders. Maybe

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it has a harder time to control them but that spends more time looking

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over its shoulder even what it is looking at shrink state to small

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numbers like a caravan full of people. Even after years of that

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there was not a single Unionist leaders who was prepared to lead

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those people or just leave them, that is a fundamental problem and

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that keeps society unbalance and needs to be addressed. What you are

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saying is we are lacking bold leadership. People are who -- people

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who will see this is not the way we want to move forward. The focus is

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always on the past. The conversation earlier was legacy issues, and it is

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toxic, and if we cannot deal with the past, we were told in the fresh

:32:03.:32:11.

start that they were moving forward. The Secretary of State said he was

:32:12.:32:15.

biting his ideas out to consultation. The justice minister

:32:16.:32:18.

said she was hopeful. Nothing happened. Gerry Kelly can see, yes,

:32:19.:32:26.

and be part of truth and reconciliation, politicians know

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there will not be a truth and reconciliation Commission because

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there are things that neither Unionists, Republicans, nor

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Westminster wants to come out. We have talked about a lot of people

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engaged with last week's programme. People at the table tonight have

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said, you have said, people were coming up on the street talking

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about what Ian Paisley said last week. We struck a chord and people

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were pleased. They said that is what we need to hear. Jeffrey Donaldson

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Kemen tonight and it was as if he had not seen at interview because

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there was no sense whatsoever that he was bringing into his comments

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any elements of what Ian Paisley said, or the note that Ian Paisley

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tried to strike on the programme. Ironically, Jeffrey Donaldson and

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Gerry Kelly get on well having worked on reconciliation projects

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abroad, they just need to bring that home with them. And warmly welcomed

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in every constituency apart from the DUP who did not warmly welcome those

:33:32.:33:34.

comments. How would you deal with legacy? Giving people the power to

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tell the story. We have two great member a lot of people who are

:33:46.:33:48.

living with the past on a daily basis have not got justice or other

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things also. We need to leave it there.

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That's it from The View for this week.

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