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No deal at Stormont today, but Northern Ireland politics did

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take centre stage at Westminster with that Tory move on abortion.

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Tonight, what does that piece of high drama say

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about the stability of the Tory-DUP high wire act in the Commons?

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And is there any chance, any chance at all, our local

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politicians can sort out their differences and get

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Stormont up and running again some time soon?

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The move by the Government to allow women from Northern Ireland

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to access abortion for free on the NHS in England

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is being viewed by some as a fundamental shift and a major

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concession by the Conservative Government to Labour.

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In a moment, we'll hear from one Labour MP who

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And, as another deadline passes at Stormont, the talking continues.

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But are we really any closer to reaching agreement?

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We'll hear from the SDLP, the Ulster Unionists and Alliance.

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Plus - tense negotiations, bargaining and arm twisting.

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It's not Stormont, but the fifth annual View awards.

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I think it has to be Arlene Foster. For very bad reasons. It is a

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gloriously bonkers world. and Newton Emerson in Commentators'

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Corner. The unexpected political twist has

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become a regular feature in politics So we shouldn't really have been

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surprised when the focus on Stormont and its looming talks deadline

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was knocked sideways by events But could anyone have predicted that

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Northern Ireland women and their access to free abortions

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in Britain would be And what are the consequences of

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that concession from the Government Let's go first to Westminster,

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and the Labour MP Liz Kendall. Liz Kendall, thank you for joining

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us. You backed Stella Creasy's

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amendment, which was the catalyst for the Tory decision

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to shift its position on making abortions free in England for women

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from Northern Ireland. I mean, it's an issue MPs from

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across the political divide have been concerned about for a long

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while. And I'm very pleased that the Government has decided to accept the

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amendment and make abortions for women who take that very difficult

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decision to come to England, you know, available on the same basis as

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every other woman in the rest of the UK, so it is free at the point of

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need. I think many women MPs felt very passionately about it. But I

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also think Stella Creasy did the right thing in working across the

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political divide to show that there is real cross-party support for

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that. I think it shows the power of parliament, but also the

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precariousness of the Conservatives' position at the moment.

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Did you specifically raise this issue today in the knowledge that it

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would cause difficulties for the DUP?

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No, no, it's something that myself and as I say many other Labour MPs

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have been concerned about and talking about for a long time.

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Because it is, you know, it's an issue of justice and fairness. It's

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not about changing the law within Northern Ireland and the fact that

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that is a devolved responsibility. But it's about saying that women who

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take that incredibly difficult decision to terminate their

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pregnancies and to travel that, you know, that they have to have that

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care on the same basis as other women in all the rest of the UK. But

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you can understand, can't you, why those who are opposed to abortion

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are unhappy about this move? They see it as undemocratic, that a

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decision with wide-ranging implications for Northern Ireland is

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taken in the way that it was taken at Westminster? This was not a

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decision about where responsibility for abortion law lives, that remains

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a devolved issue and a matter for the Northern Ireland Assembly. It is

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to say that if you are treated by the NHS in England, it should be

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free at the point of need. And I think that is very important. I know

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it is a hugely sensitive issue, but I also that women face terrible

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anxiety about that decision in the first place, terrible stigma, and

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additional costs. And I think it was right that the Government listened

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to MPs from all sides of the house to say, whether NHS England pays for

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that care is a decision for NHS England and for this parliament, and

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I'm glad that decision was taken. Do you accept that the timing was

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unfortunate, on the day that the Appeal Court ruled that abortion is

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a matter for politicians at Stormont. People who don't like

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abortion and like the fact that it is not readily available in Northern

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Ireland see this decision as making abortion for Northern Ireland women

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easier, and that is something obviously they are fundamentally

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opposed to. I understand the very deeply held beliefs that people have

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on both sides of this debate. But it is a matter for the NHS in England

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about how that care is provided and how that is paid for. This vote was

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not a change for the fact that abortion is a devolved

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responsibility and the devolved issue. And, you know, it's right

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that in the Queen's speech backbench MPs can put forward motions, have

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them debated and voted on and disgust. That is how our democracy

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and Parliament works. Parliament on the Government made a good decision

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today. One final question, what's your view of the failure of the

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Northern Ireland parties to reach agreement by today's 4pm deadline to

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get Stormont up and running again? Well, I really hope that all sides

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come together to make sure that Stormont and the assembly are up and

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running as soon as possible. That's what I think MPs from across the

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house want, and I hope that happens over the coming days. Because it's

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so important for the future of people in Northern Ireland, and I'm

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sure that the people of Northern Ireland want that assembly to be up

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and running, to take the decisions about issues there, and I give it my

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full backing and support. Liz Kendall, thank you very much.

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Well, a senior Conservative MP has told The View that a period

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of direct rule for Northern Ireland may be inevitable because of

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Laurence Robertson says a return to devolution is preferable,

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but handing power back to Westminster might

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be "the only option" unless a deal is struck here.

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Our Political Correspondent, Stephen Walker, asked Mr Robertson

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for his reaction to today's failure to reach a deal in Belfast.

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Well, it's very disappointing. Whatever the issues that are

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outstanding, they are best adult with if there is an up and running

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functioning public assembly -- they are best dealt with. That is where

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decisions should be taken. It means decisions will have to be taken here

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at Westminster, aubergine. It's very clear, very unsatisfactory,

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certainly not what we wanted to see, anyway. Should James Brokenshire I

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now call an election? I think he is going to wait over the weekend. I

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think he is giving a statement of the House of Commons on Monday. I

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don't detect any real desire for another election in Northern

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Ireland. What's it going to achieve? We have to get to the position where

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everybody who should nominate does nominate and surely there are

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important issues about the economy and other things that should be

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discussed... That is the law of the land on the way that these things

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work? We need to look at the legislation, because it's not going

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to take us anywhere. I'm surprised that Sinn Fein had not put forward

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somebody. Those issues can be discussed, the Irish language,

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Corporation Tax, health, education, the extra money which is coming to

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Northern Ireland, surely that is best discussed in the Assembly. I'm

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disappointed that Sinn Fein haven't gone along with that and agreed the

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principles of power-sharing, which I thought they had signed signed up

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to. It means accepting compromises that perhaps you don't want to

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accept, that is the essence of power-sharing. Do you have a problem

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with the Irish Language Act? It is certainly not something I lie awake

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worrying about at night, but it's up to people in Northern Ireland to

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decide if they want that. But you wouldn't have a problem with it

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personally? It's not for me to decide, I'm not in the Northern

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Ireland Assembly. It is for people there to decide what they want. We

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have to work within the structures which are set out in the Belfast

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agreement and legislation. If Sinn Fein or anybody else wants to evolve

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that legislation and look at it again and see if it can be

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modernised, I would be all for that, actually. We can't keep stumbling

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from crisis to crisis. At the moment, those are the rule that both

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sides have to work with. Are we now looking at a prolonged period of

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direct rule? I sincerely hope not. I was a Shadow Minister when we have

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the last period of direct rule, and very important issues are decided

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upstairs in the House of Commons in a committee of 20 MPs. That's no way

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to run Northern Ireland. So I sincerely hope not. But somebody has

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to run the province. If that is watching vein of forcing, well, that

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might be the only option. We'll have to see, but I hope not. Do you think

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your relationship with the DUP has affected the talks process? I don't

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think so. I said in the Commons yesterday, this crisis began long

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before the general election and any deal between the DUP the

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Conservative Party. If we go back to September 2015 when we have the last

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crisis, that was way beyond any deal between the Conservative Party and

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the DUP. No, I don't believe that is the problem. I think it is a problem

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within Sinn Fein. I don't know what game they are playing but I do know

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it is a dangerous one. Laurence Robertson talking

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to Stephen Walker in Westminster. We did ask the DUP and Sinn Fein

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to join us on tonight's programme, I am, however, joined

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by Professor Jon Tonge, who's written widely about the DUP,

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and by the commentator Was a deal ever going to be done

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by today's deadline? No, and we have witnessed a shambles

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today. We had a deadline that was never going to be realisable. It

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completely undermines the credibility of those deadlines. They

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were trying to rush the fences basically, the British Government,

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getting the deal done, just as the Assembly was about to break up for

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the summer. There was no need to press ahead. Far better it would

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have been to get a proper deal done with an autumn deadline which might

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have been more realisable. The difficulties are not insurmountable.

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An Irish Language Act can be produced. You will have probably a

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separate of the Scots act. Same-sex marriage, that issue to some extent

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has been taken care of why the snap assembly election because the DUP

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cannot blog it now. Sinn Fein's assistance that they would not work

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with Arlene Foster seems to be disappearing from view. Some

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progress was made. But the deadline, we were told there would be profound

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and serious implications of the deal was not done today. Well, James

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Brokenshire I is now allowing the parties to carry on. So what are

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these profound and serious implications? There are non-. The

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Secretary of State is coming back tomorrow to continue the talks. That

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fixed by applying to date was a straw deadline. It never felt like a

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deadline that was going to do what the are supposed to do, alert the

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governments to exert pressure on the two parties, Sinn Fein and the DUP,

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to make the deal. I think that context of the DUP and the

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Conservative Party working away the last number of weeks to make there

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own deal has contributed towards this. It feeds into Sinn Fein's

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suspicions. We have to remember why we are here. We are here because the

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nationalist community called time on Stormont. That feeds into Sinn

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Fein's most popular move in the last decade was to pull down by

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institutions. They have been handsomely rewarded in an electoral

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sense. Uppermost in their minds at the moment is that they have to get

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a deal that is transparently clear that it delivers, almost

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re-establishes an equilibrium between Unionism and nationalism at

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Stormont. I can't see them styling off on anything until they are

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confident that will be well received with the Nationalists. If that

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deadline was nothing more than a bit of political cardiology, where does

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that leave us? The parties are under no pressure to set down and focus

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their minds on do a deal, not for Monday, the end of August, not even

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by Christmas time so no it is quite clear that Secretary of State broke

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and she is desperate to avoid this legislation... He needs to do

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something stop low say what the sanction is if the deadline is

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missed. Everybody knew that the implications meant nothing because

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there was no statement of intent from the Secretary of State. Next

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time an autumn deadline that will be followed by sanction. People we

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believe it next time. Therein lies the problem. At some point, the

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circus has two end. A deal can be done because of the progress that

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has been made. There has been progress on some of the issues that

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have been outlined. You can't blame Sinn Fein for asking for an Irish

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Language Act. It was there at St Andrews in 2006. They have been

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waiting 11 years for it. It is not that difficult a gift for the DUP to

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make. Sinn Fein have had to roll back in trying to decide that Arlene

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Foster couldn't be First Minister, it was frankly for the birds. There

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is a prospect of progress. Every survey of public opinion has shown

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that the public want devolved power-sharing. Direct rule only gets

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about 15% support Macs in any survey. You've got to get the show

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one. If there is a deal to be done and we can see the elements that

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have come together, is there in big dollop of political from us on the

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part of our all additions not to do the deal yet? That is a part of it.

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There has to be a period of time whether two parties, probably one

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private, will work on a choreography to get them over this hurdle. Part

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of that also that both parties after the last two elections have even

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further consolidated their strong position is that they were within

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the respective communities. So they can do a deal. What happened today

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in the House of Commons is also interesting. That notion that

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pressure can be exerted within the Conservative Party to force a

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change, that will be in the minds of the DUP, if they go to direct rule

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there could be within the Conservative Party moves of equal

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marriage. The Tories would also be vulnerable because the Irish

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Language Act is in St Andrews, they might have to legislate that through

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the Commons as well. Fascinating to see how difficult

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things will be for the Tories and DUP in the Commons when you have

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Labour sniping and cutting the Tories off at the knees. It's an

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inherently unstable arrangement this axis between the DUP and the Tories.

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It could work for the DUP, it only takes for the Conservatives to lose

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a few by-elections. The DUP value could increase but there are plenty

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on the Conservative backbenchers who do not like this axis with the DUP.

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The onus is on Sinn Fein now to go back into the executive because the

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Vista is pretty grim otherwise. The DUP - Conservative axis at

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Westminster? What is in it for Sinn Fein? A deal by Monday? No, this is

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going to be autumn happy earliest. I cannot see it. There would have to

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be a significant change because I think Sinn Fein's room for manoeuvre

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on this is quite limited. There is no chance of a deal on Monday. Stay

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with us. We will try to come back to you if we can.

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Well, it's worth remembering in all the discussion

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about the horse-trading between the DUP and Sinn Fein

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that there are three other local parties which are,

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technically, involved in the process too.

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leader Naomi Long, Claire Hanna, the Alliance Party

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and the Ulster Unionist Doug Beattie.

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Do you feel, Naomi Long, that you are innocent bystander at the

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moment? That would be to demean the influence we have had during this

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process but we could not argue with any credibility that we are partners

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in the last few days. Inevitably what was going to happen where Sinn

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Fein and the DUP would have to focus on the gaps between close those gaps

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and then whether they could accommodate the other parties,

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because they because they say they want a fight the executive and that

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is probably in the best interests of Northern Ireland at this point. They

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never managed to close the gap between them. As of last night they

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were still debating whether they would establish the Irish language

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act. That debate has been going on since January. The idea that this

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debate can continue and in a few days' time, things were shifted

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dramatically, it is not the case. I cannot see any prospect of the DUP

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on the side of the 12th of July conceding an Irish language act and

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I'm going to the parade on the trot and being berated on the platforms

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for having conceded that, so that is off the table at this point. You and

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the SDLP go back, the Secretary of State is coming back but everyone is

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saying it is a waste of time because there was no chance of a deal being

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done. What is happening? You've expressed frustration people feel,

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and yet another deadline rushing over our heads will just increase

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public cynicism and lack of belief that politics is the way that we

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can... Is there any point in turning up tomorrow? We will always turn up.

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But we feel like we have been at parallel process, parallel

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universe... Parallel pantomime? We will keep trying to discuss and keep

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forward ideas like a petition of concern that could unlock progress

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on these issues and also things like child city deals, but as Naomi said,

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we are apparently stuck on the issue of an Irish language act. I would

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not start here with that, I would, as John said, the ambiguity around

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it at St Andrews, it has to be remembered that last May we try to

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negotiate a programme for government and we were rebuffed. I say this as

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someone who speaks Irish. Is it more important than government? Know. But

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it has become an issue by the DUP's owner and the parity of esteem. They

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have made it totemic and they have two be prepared to share but whether

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it is the Irish language or the military covenant, if parties are

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saying that you can or cannot have government based on this one issue

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they are lying all the common votes to four by the wayside. Would you

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turn up on stage tomorrow and play your part in supporting cast? We all

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have to turn up, we all have passed the play, we all have ideas that we

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could give. But you are a bit part players and the principles don't

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seem to want to get on with the performers. I think that know put it

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quite well, the third part of the process is closing the gap between

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the DUP and Sinn Fein. And the second is making sure that can get

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an executive together that all five parties can buy into. As the Ulster

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Unionist Party weeping ideals do that, solutions to problems try to

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gaps. -- we bring ideas. In some cases, and I will give you a simple

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example around the Irish line was, I have the utmost respect for the

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Irish language and its community but we cannot do it as a single issue,

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it is part of identity and culture. We have suggested that the flags,

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identity, culture and traditions commission could be a vehicle for

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closing that gap and that seemed to have been ignored. It is laudable to

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use that to try to close the gap and save face for some of the people.

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Naomi, you said enthusiastically that there are contributions from

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the smaller parties that are making a difference, but not to the several

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narrative of the peace. Remember that we have narrowed it down to the

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Irish language act and some other issues, but when they started it

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included Brexit and many other issues which have been dealt with on

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a five party bases, where we have had real influence and we continue.

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On things like equal marriage and the Irish language act, to try to be

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focus minds on the fact that the petition of needs to be looked at if

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we are to unlock serious, progressive legislation that in the

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assembly. We have to remind the two main parties of that because the

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tendency has been to Australia's issues around the table between

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themselves but not do the structural work that needs done to make sure

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that we restore the assembly in a proper restoration that will work.

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We have done the groundwork. Rather than sit back and said that they are

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talking, we'll put our feet up, we have, in apparel process, made clear

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what our terms and conditions are they want us in the executive, we

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work with them to make sure that those issues are addressed. We

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continue to try to ease the way. The reality is this is about political

:21:49.:21:54.

will to do the deal or not. And I don't believe that their heart is in

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it and that became absolutely clear last night when people upped sticks

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and went home at one o'clock in the morning. If this was a serious

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deadline day would still be there. You can make the contributions you

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want to make and talk about progress, but if Sinn Fein and the

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DUP don't want to sit down in a room and hammer out a deal, there is

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little that anyone else can do about that. In society and in politics we

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believe in pluralism and getting as many voices and accepting that be

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will make those choices and that is what people have voted for. But, you

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know, there is a deliberate attempt in some respects to distract from

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some of the bigger issues that people are wondering about, not

:22:43.:22:45.

least Brexit, and boil it down to this. It can push people into

:22:46.:22:51.

corners. As Naomi and David have said we did get some progress in

:22:52.:22:55.

these issues and it may be appropriate to publish and put some

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of that out there. It has to be said that the two parties with the big

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mandates have not shown up to talk about what is in confession and wrap

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proxies in the media and deflection and buzzwords, and people should be

:23:10.:23:12.

asked to play out exactly what the are. What do you think happens when

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the talks reconvene tomorrow at Stormont? We carry on with the

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momentum we've got. We don't know is that what is going on inside there,

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to be honest. Nobody really does. We don't know how close these people

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are getting. They might be getting close. There were three strands we

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were talking about the legacy, the Irish language and governance.

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Governance is important to us, but we're close the gap on legacy, for

:23:44.:23:48.

example. And we could well close the gap quite quickly on the Irish

:23:49.:23:54.

language. The governors issued good open this up, we could put it to the

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floor and work out the details. But the talks are really getting into

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the nitty-gritty of what an act should do, shouldn't do, how much it

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should cost, but it is really about how and whether it should exist. It

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is not just about what to do tomorrow in terms of the gaps. Every

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day that goes by, another day of paperwork building up on the

:24:17.:24:20.

Minister's desk when there is no minister to take decisions, give

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direction, allocate funds and budgets and we end up at the Civil

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Service working on a very narrow remit. That Gemili continue until

:24:28.:24:31.

mid-July before there was no choice but to have direct rule of some

:24:32.:24:35.

kind. That is not good for Northern Ireland, not bid for the process,

:24:36.:24:39.

and that is going to up and some of the relationships that have been

:24:40.:24:43.

built. So this deadline being missed has consequences. People may not

:24:44.:24:48.

believe that but those losing their jobs because decisions are not being

:24:49.:24:52.

made about community involvement, because there are cars on public

:24:53.:25:00.

services, they think it is bad. Is this bad politics? The parties

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involved don't seem to be able to reach agreement. Some people say

:25:04.:25:07.

that it brings politics into disrepute when politicians are not

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doing their job that they are elected and paid to do, but also

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that doesn't seem to be anybody in charge at the moment. These other

:25:16.:25:19.

parties that the electorate has voted for, so we have to be careful

:25:20.:25:24.

about analysis. The political will clearly was not there this time and

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you have a suspicion that the DUP were gung ho about nominating the

:25:29.:25:36.

First Minister. Direct rule would not disadvantage the DUP but it

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would disadvantage Sinn Fein. If they are prepared to wait, it is not

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going to report until November, December. Does this bring politics

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into disrepute? These parties have received an overwhelming mandate.

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This is ours as a society trying to find a way to coexist, thrashing

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around in the post-Good Friday agreement if, and how we do so as

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equal partners. Every so often we will come up against these hurdles.

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If we could just widen it we talk about the context of what is

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happening in Westminster. We have heard from Liz Kendall, the case for

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the change to abortion law across the water which will allow a woman

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from ear to travel and get free abortions on the NHS in England.

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Your party is a pro-life party. Have you got perlite -- have you got

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reservations about that? It is a democratic void that we don't have a

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government and whatever your views, and I don't support the 1967 act

:26:44.:26:49.

which is essentially what this is, I am an admirer of stellar QC has done

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good work on the Living Wage and payday loans but a North London MP

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has more power. The assembly asked for report from a working group to

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see and how abortion law should be reformed and instead after 15 months

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we don't know why they sat another port for 15 months even before the

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collapse. These are decisions for Northern Ireland. Time for a

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sentence each, are you pleased about what happened today? I'm pleased

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that it will ease the financial pressure on women who do travel to

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have a termination of pregnancy. But it is not a solution to Northern

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Ireland's problem zero I believe that the report was necessary, the

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Department of had done at study on this, there was a report because

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people were ducking the hard decisions, as always. We need

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abortion reform. We have been exporting abortion to England,

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Scotland and Wales so I welcome this developing. -- development. Thank

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you for joining us. Let's hear what tonight's

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commentators make of Deirdre Heenan and Newton

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Emerson are with me. We have a lot to get through. We

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will come onto the View Awards in just a moment.

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The Stormont situation - no agreement, but the process limps on.

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Is the glass half empty? Most people expected that, and that the deadly

:28:18.:28:23.

mid-pass, as it has. The interesting point of discussion is, people want

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to know the implications of not reaching agreement. As Secretary of

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State going to say, what will happen? Will funds be cut? The

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public are running out of patience. It might not be bad for politics and

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ponder commentators and one says but with people at home worrying about

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their jobs, the dizzying this week by the Department of Health to take

:28:47.:28:52.

money out of district nursing completely flies in the face of a

:28:53.:28:56.

report and that is asking questions about who is in charge, and how can

:28:57.:29:00.

you have strategic direction when we don't have ministers? So has it all

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disappeared? But we're wondering about who makes the strategic

:29:07.:29:14.

decisions. Over the summer this committee of the Tories and the DUP

:29:15.:29:18.

might meet, at the moment it is just meeting about that ?1 billion

:29:19.:29:22.

package but it is going to decide on a new executive that Sinn Fein is

:29:23.:29:26.

locked out of and that is very destabilising. Our view in agreement

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with my other commentators who said that there was a plea cannot be any

:29:31.:29:34.

deal by Monday? They will be talking over the summer -- the summer. It is

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unlikely that there will be a deal. All parties, whilst they are doing

:29:43.:29:47.

their best, they are peeping in at the margins at the larger parties.

:29:48.:29:51.

The earliest I could see it happening is the end of September.

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Let's pause there for a moment, and since it's our final

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programme of the series, that means it's time for The View's

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Four of our regular team of commentators joined me

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in the No Alibis bookshop to pore over the events of the past

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12 months, and come up with worthy winners in our

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We have Patrick Adiba Rees, we are going to talk about Best Newcomer,

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first of all. One is Doug Beattie. Is he really a new,? May 2016,

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that's new in terms of how things have developed over the past 12

:30:30.:30:33.

months. The other one is Kelley Armstrong from the Alliance party.

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For me, it was Doug Beattie. He has come into the public domain

:30:43.:30:46.

relatively recently, he has been unimpressive, impressive on social

:30:47.:30:49.

media and the way he is willing to tackle difficult subject and also

:30:50.:30:53.

people within his own constituency -- he has been impressive. Sinead

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Bradley is symbolic of the new Cowdray of people who are very

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capable. Jeremy Corbyn, one month ago, almost one months ago, was a

:31:11.:31:13.

laughing stock. It was brought home to me by watching bits of

:31:14.:31:20.

Glastonbury, which I watched to hear the chance, oh, Jeremy Corbyn. In

:31:21.:31:24.

terms of the House of Commons when he went back there, he's still like

:31:25.:31:28.

a wet dish of! You're leaving out the people who came out to campaign

:31:29.:31:33.

and vote for him. I think it was the hatred of Theresa May. I think you

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are wrong. Best use of social media... None of our politicians use

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it effectively, in my opinion. I have to vote for talks on. He throws

:31:43.:31:48.

up things to his supporters, challenges to his opponents. -- I

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have to vote for bold Trump. I think Naomi Long is the person who is

:31:53.:31:56.

still the best person in the Assembly and using social media.

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There is an argument that she uses it too much, never off it. Sometimes

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goes a bit too fast a purely due have to know at what point to stop,

:32:07.:32:11.

to walk away, to say, I'm just going to leave at the. The general use of

:32:12.:32:17.

social media on the DUP going to London and making their deal with

:32:18.:32:20.

the Tories was a stunning use of social media. And one which

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reflected an awful lot of misunderstanding, shallow

:32:28.:32:30.

understanding, skewed understanding. And absolute accurate understanding

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in Britain of politics here. It is a gloriously bonkers world. All of

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social media is that. I think the one person who has used it in its

:32:40.:32:45.

most true way is Donald Trump. Let's move on to political moment of the

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year. Deirdre? Martin McGuinness's resignation. The optics of it, the

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imagery. He looked so frail, she was visibly and audibly unwell. It was a

:32:59.:33:02.

clear effort for him. It was a complete shift of Sinn Fein's entire

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strategy for the last 15 years in terms of walking away from Stormont,

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something that for him had been sacrosanct. There was a BBC

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spotlight programme on the RHI, two weeks before that we have the first

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joint letter, the first joint peace from beginners and Ireland, we

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worked wonderfully well, the -- from Martin McGuinness and Arlene Foster.

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Then the whole thing came toppling down. It was the exit poll, for me.

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Sitting there on the election programme just before we went on

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air, Mark Carruthers said, I know what the exit poll has said, she

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whispered. I said, tell us, give us a clue. And he said, no, he was

:33:41.:33:47.

glossing with secrecy. I said, wiggle your eyebrows at! He didn't

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even woggle an eyebrow. Final category... Drum world... Politician

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of the year. I think it has to be Arlene Foster. For very bad reasons.

:33:58.:34:03.

And also for the inescapable reason that this is a woman whose career

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went to heaven and hell over one year, and now back to heaven again.

:34:09.:34:12.

Arlene Foster is propping up the government, and I think that is

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terrifying in one sense, actually, it terrifying in every sense, you're

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right. She will be the subject of Ph.D. Is for the next few decades.

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She has apologised for the crocodile incident, a calamitous choice of

:34:29.:34:31.

words. If you look at how she has handled this with Downing Street,

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she hasn't antagonised nationalism by lots of things. It is

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overwhelmingly... I think she did that. She was kept off the stage,

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she had a low profile. She could have insisted on doing it but she

:34:46.:34:48.

didn't do it, that is quite a strength.

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Thanks to Sam McBride, Fionnuala O'Connor and Alex Kane,

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and to the good people of No Alibis bookstore in Belfast

:35:03.:35:05.

Let's get to the business end of things, and the results.

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Deirdre, you were the fourth member of the panel, so, start us off -

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I will give you the envelope and you can do the honours for us.

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Congratulations to Doug Beattie, he just happens to be in the room. He

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looks pleased! Newton, you fed into the conversation although you were

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not able to be there. He only came into the assembly just over one year

:35:36.:35:39.

ago. Only a few months ago he was named as an obvious choice for

:35:40.:35:43.

replacement leader of the UUP. Was it unanimous, almost unanimous? From

:35:44.:35:50.

tonight's conversation when he says things like I have the utmost

:35:51.:35:53.

respect for the Irish language, he shows he can be pragmatic and think

:35:54.:35:58.

of a compromise, that's what we need in politics. Good, but no big heads,

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we won't stand for that! Well done, Doug. Best use of social media. We

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haven't had one for the last six months, a logical bit of pairing to

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do with our categories. Anyway, best use of social media? And the winner

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is... Highly controversial, Donald Trump! The first challenge we have

:36:23.:36:27.

is, how do we get the award to him?! Oh, well, if you're asking! He took

:36:28.:36:32.

a shine to Katrina Perry the other night! There was the woggle of an

:36:33.:36:37.

eyebrow whenever you heard this decision. I'm not impressed with

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this word in general. I think it is most interesting in social media in

:36:42.:36:45.

Northern Ireland recently with Sinn Fein's decision during the general

:36:46.:36:48.

election to move all of its campaign especially in north Belfast away

:36:49.:36:52.

from mainstream media towards social media, that's an interesting

:36:53.:36:56.

development. He has 32 million followers, he drives the news agenda

:36:57.:37:00.

and he uses it to his benefit. Or miss uses it to his benefit, we had

:37:01.:37:05.

that conversation as well. He is him, he is authentic, he is sending

:37:06.:37:09.

out those tweets and his advisers are going mad in the background, but

:37:10.:37:13.

that is him and that is the nature of the unpredictable president. And

:37:14.:37:18.

an honourable mention to the Alliance party leader at Naomi Long,

:37:19.:37:22.

who spends long nights stuck to her Taufa'ao! The -- to her telephone.

:37:23.:37:32.

Political moment of the year was hotly contested. Martin McGuinness's

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resignation, white and we plumped for that? Well, I think there was,

:37:36.:37:41.

in the end agreement that that was the memorable political moment of

:37:42.:37:44.

the year because of how he looks. He was so frail and clearly one. --

:37:45.:37:51.

clearly unwell. There was visible shock at how frail he was and what a

:37:52.:37:56.

strange it was for him to do this. Also the implications of bringing

:37:57.:37:59.

down the Government and what that actually meant. It left his

:38:00.:38:02.

opponents navel-gazing. They didn't expect it, it was a shock for many

:38:03.:38:06.

people. Law that was the pivotal moment in our politics of the year.

:38:07.:38:12.

The decision to bring down the assembly, the extraordinary assembly

:38:13.:38:15.

meeting at the end of December when Arlene Foster try to make the RHI

:38:16.:38:19.

statement on all of her authority on the speaker on the assembly just

:38:20.:38:23.

drained away. It was a hotly contested category, there were lots

:38:24.:38:27.

of outstanding political moments. Politician of the year, Newton? The

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winner is... Arlene Foster. And the point was made, it was politician of

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the dear, Finola O'Connor was at pains to point out, not necessarily

:38:42.:38:44.

best politician, a different things or politician of the year. Political

:38:45.:38:50.

personality of the year, if that's the right terminology. A year ago we

:38:51.:38:54.

were thinking about the award and talking about how quick-witted she

:38:55.:38:58.

was. She was able to link with the people, and yet in a year she was

:38:59.:39:02.

completely on the ropes. And at this point she appears to be a Phoenix

:39:03.:39:06.

rising from the ashes. She has bounced back. It was interesting

:39:07.:39:10.

Peter Robinson was back in the news this week. There was a redemption

:39:11.:39:15.

story, you learn from 2010. I hope that Arlene Foster will as well.

:39:16.:39:17.

There good to have you both on the programme, thank you very much for

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being with us over the past few weeks.

:39:22.:39:23.

That's it from The View for this week, and indeed for this series.

:39:24.:39:26.

But in the meantime, Sunday Politics continues

:39:27.:39:29.

until mid-July at the usual time of 11:35 here on BBC1.

:39:30.:39:32.

For now, though, from everyone in the team - goodbye.

:39:33.:39:56.

The Irish Open is coming back to the north coast.

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