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All eyes will be on Brussels
tomorrow morning for that | 0:00:03 | 0:00:06 | |
statement from the President
of the European Council, | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
Donald Tusk. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
So will it be make or break
for a deal on Brexit? | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
Welcome to The View. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
Tonight - breakdown or breakthrough? | 0:00:34 | 0:00:41 | |
Were not making any comment, no
thank you. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
We're just hours away from finding
out, with that fresh Brexit | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
statement due in Brussels tomorrow. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:48 | |
We'll be live there and in Dublin
for the latest news and analysis. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
We'll also have political
reaction here in Belfast, | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
and we'll be finding out what those
who could be most affected | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
by any deal think of it. | 0:00:57 | 0:00:58 | |
That's local farmers
and the manufacturers. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
And in Commentators' Corner,
champing at the bit to hold forth | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
on another dramatic week
of political high drama, | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
are Fionnuala O Connor
and Alex Kane. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:16 | |
Hello. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:18 | |
It's been four days
of "will they, won't they?" | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
Out of nowhere, a deal appeared
to be on the cards in Brussels, | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
but then it vanished again
just as quickly. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
Then the blame game began -
"he said, she said", | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
on a European scale. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:29 | |
Here's a short reminder of what's
happened since Monday. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
We have been very clear, Northern
Ireland must leave the European | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
Union on the same terms as the rest
of the United Kingdom. This is not a | 0:01:54 | 0:01:58 | |
failure. This is the start of the
very last sections. We will | 0:01:58 | 0:02:06 | |
reconvene before the end of the week
and I am also confident we will | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
conclude this positively. We are
surprised and disappointed they | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
haven't been able to follow through
today on that agreement. But there | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
is still time. We have said from the
beginning that the pact between the | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
DUP and the Tories in London would
end in tears, and so it has. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:26 | |
Yesterday confirmed what we already
knew, the DUP tail is wagging the | 0:02:26 | 0:02:31 | |
Tory dog. When we looked at the
wording and saw the import of all of | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
that, we knew we couldn't sign up to
anything that was in that text that | 0:02:35 | 0:02:40 | |
would allow a border to develop in
the Irish Sea. Taoiseach, can you | 0:02:40 | 0:02:46 | |
guarantee that your government will
not accept any deal that doesn't | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
ensure the north remains in the
customs union and single market? | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
Someone forgot to share the details
of the Irish border deal with the | 0:02:52 | 0:02:59 | |
DUP. Surely, Mr Speaker, there are
1.5 billion reasons why the Prime | 0:02:59 | 0:03:04 | |
Minister really should have
forgotten to do that. We will ensure | 0:03:04 | 0:03:09 | |
there is no hard border between
Northern Ireland and the Republic of | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
Ireland. We will do that while we
respect the constitutional integrity | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
of the United Kingdom. As the
Taoiseach outlined yesterday, this | 0:03:17 | 0:03:23 | |
is a sensitive negotiation at a very
sensitive time. Do you feel you are | 0:03:23 | 0:03:29 | |
making any progress whatsoever? We
will not be making any comment at | 0:03:29 | 0:03:31 | |
this stage, thanks very much. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:35 | |
So that brings us up to date
with the latest on what's been | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
a roller-coaster week
of Brexit negotiations. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
And now we're hearing Donald Tusk
has an early start tomorrow morning, | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
making an announcement in Brussels. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
So, what could he be about to say? | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
RTE's Europe Editor,
Tony Connelly, is there for us. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
And from Dublin, we're joined
by the former Irish Times Political | 0:03:50 | 0:03:52 | |
Editor, Stephen Collins. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:58 | |
Tony Connelly Percival in Brussels.
Fair to assume Donald Tusk's | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
statement will be about a fresh
deal. Do you think so? That is the | 0:04:02 | 0:04:09 | |
anticipation here. He announced a
few hours ago he would make a | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
statement at around 6:50am Irish
time, 7:50am Brussels time. That was | 0:04:12 | 0:04:20 | |
quickly qualified by a spokesperson
saying he was on a flight to Hungary | 0:04:20 | 0:04:26 | |
shortly afterward so he wants to be
there to make a statement should | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
anything happen overnight. After
that the signals come thick and fast | 0:04:29 | 0:04:33 | |
that things were moving. Phone calls
between Jean-Claude Juncker and | 0:04:33 | 0:04:39 | |
Theresa May, phone calls between
Theresa May and Leon Goretzka, the | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
Taoiseach. Since then, signals that
more is happening with a text. -- | 0:04:42 | 0:04:48 | |
layover -- Leo Varadkar. It was
indicated this could run through the | 0:04:48 | 0:05:03 | |
night and journalists were advised
to stay by their phones. There was | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
speculation before I came down to
the studio that Theresa May could | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
travel to Brussels very early
tomorrow morning to meet Jean-Claude | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
Juncker and Donald Tusk stop have
you heard that as well? It was | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
always anticipated that Theresa May
would have to do come back to | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
Brussels if a deal was done because
she would have to do repeat the | 0:05:20 | 0:05:27 | |
choreography of Monday, meeting
Jean-Claude Juncker and that one | 0:05:27 | 0:05:37 | |
would expect that would lead to a
political sign off. And then the | 0:05:37 | 0:05:47 | |
batting would be handed to the
European Commission and Donald Tusk. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:52 | |
They would want to look at any text
before the start of the summit next | 0:05:52 | 0:05:59 | |
big bust up one would have to be
here if there is to be a text that | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
wins the support of the DUP and the
Irish government. What about the | 0:06:03 | 0:06:08 | |
shape of the text? How might it
differ from Monday's draft wording? | 0:06:08 | 0:06:13 | |
That is critical. That is critical.
The Irish government have made it | 0:06:13 | 0:06:17 | |
clear that the substance of Monday's
text can't be changed or removed. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:23 | |
They would be prepared to have some
language in there that qualifies or | 0:06:23 | 0:06:30 | |
clarifies, or spells out in more
detail how this would work. As far | 0:06:30 | 0:06:36 | |
as the Irish government is
concerned, and they have been | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
signalling this this week, even
though they have been cautious in | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
their pronouncements, what they have
felt happened on Monday was an | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
agreement that had been reached by
all sides and they want the gist of | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
that agreement to remain intact.
Stephen Collins, what are you | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
hearing in Dublin tonight? In Dublin
people are saying very little. After | 0:06:53 | 0:06:58 | |
the experience of Monday people are
being cautious. The mood music is | 0:06:58 | 0:07:03 | |
optimistic and there are hopes that
it can be pulled off this time. The | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
Taoiseach, as Tony said, spoke with
Prime Minister Theresa May today. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:14 | |
There is a feeling of guarded
optimism, I would call it. But | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
nobody will count their chickens
this time. There was talk that the | 0:07:17 | 0:07:22 | |
Irish government would be prepared
to modify some of the language, but | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
the substance would have to remain.
If the language needs to be | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
clarified, that the Irish government
accepts Northern Ireland remains | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
part of the United Kingdom as long
as the majority wanted to, then that | 0:07:32 | 0:07:34 | |
can be done. But the notion that
there would be some form of | 0:07:34 | 0:07:39 | |
regulatory alignment would want to
be remained as far as the Irish | 0:07:39 | 0:07:44 | |
government is concerned. The most
logical speculation or outcome it in | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
your view is that there would be
some additional sentences, the extra | 0:07:48 | 0:07:53 | |
paragraph put in over and above
Monday's draft that would soothe the | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
furrowed brow of the DUP? I think
the Irish government signalled they | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
would be prepared to put in some
extra words to soothe the DUP, but | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
how far they would be prepared to do
that, I think they would want to be | 0:08:05 | 0:08:09 | |
reassured that it would suit the DUP
and there isn't really any | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
fundamental change. I think the
Irish government believes the DUP | 0:08:13 | 0:08:18 | |
misinterpreted Monday's agreement
and read far too much into it. But | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
they are prepared to move slightly
to clarify that for the DUP, I | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
think. But after Monday's events, it
would be very foolish to presume | 0:08:25 | 0:08:31 | |
what is going to happen in the
morning. The Dublin government must | 0:08:31 | 0:08:38 | |
be thinking it needs to be very
careful, as you have suggested, so | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
that the horses are not spooked
again. The DUP clearly has | 0:08:42 | 0:08:47 | |
considerable clout as far as Theresa
May is concerned. This is probably | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
the last chance to get this right.
It probably is the last chance to | 0:08:49 | 0:08:54 | |
get this right, so that we will be
ready in time for next week's | 0:08:54 | 0:08:59 | |
European Council meeting for stop
but I the DUP appreciates they are | 0:08:59 | 0:09:05 | |
also on a knife edge and their
pivotal role that they have to play | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
very carefully, and if they disrupt
the whole thing, or if they are seen | 0:09:08 | 0:09:12 | |
to be the ones who resent an
agreement going ahead, then the | 0:09:12 | 0:09:17 | |
fallout for them could be quite
damaging in the longer run. I think | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
the stakes are very high for
everyone involved in this, and that | 0:09:20 | 0:09:24 | |
is why everybody been so careful
tonight. But this seems to be | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
movement and they seem to be moving
towards an agreed position. Tony, no | 0:09:27 | 0:09:33 | |
leaks late in the evening. We will
see what happens in the wee small | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
hours. Does this get us back on
track for next week's planned summit | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
in Brussels, potentially? If there
is agreement tomorrow morning, as | 0:09:41 | 0:09:46 | |
people are now anticipating, what
will happen then is that the process | 0:09:46 | 0:09:53 | |
that normally happens before a
European Council meeting, that will | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
kick in. So you will get a signal
from Theresa May and Jean-Claude | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
Juncker that this has been agreed
and then it will go to the other | 0:10:00 | 0:10:07 | |
European capitals in the shape of
European ambassadors who have a | 0:10:07 | 0:10:13 | |
co-repair meeting here. There is
normally one of those meetings every | 0:10:13 | 0:10:19 | |
Friday, so it is possible the text
could go into that co-repair meeting | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
on Friday. Member states will look
through it to make sure there is | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
nothing that causes alarm. On Monday
it would go to the Sherpa meeting, | 0:10:25 | 0:10:31 | |
more jargon, but the Sherpa meetings
are the envoys of the 27 heads of | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
government who will meet on Monday
and prepare draft conclusions for | 0:10:35 | 0:10:40 | |
next week's summit. That is the
normal procedure. If indeed | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
everything is over the line tomorrow
morning, then that would pave the | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
way for a Council conclusion next
week. In which the EU 27 can | 0:10:48 | 0:10:54 | |
formally say, yes, there is
sufficient progress on all three | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
critical areas and yes we can move
this into the second phase in | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
January. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
Thank-you both. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:08 | |
The front pages are just coming in.
I'm told the Daily Telegraph | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
headline tomorrow, EU expects
Theresa May to sign deal today. Very | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
much in line with what we have just
heard. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
So that's the very latest in terms
of what we believe might | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
be happening tomorrow. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:21 | |
What, then, do my studio
guests make of that? | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
Tonight I'm joined by
Sinn Fein's Mairtin O Muilleoir | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
and the Alliance Party leader,
Naomi Long. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
Also with me is Ivor Ferguson
from the Ulster Farmers' Union | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
and Richard Hogg, who's on the board
of Manufacturing NI. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:34 | |
We did ask the DUP to take
part in the programme, | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
but it didn't want to. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
The Ulster Unionists couldn't get
anyone to join us and we tried | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
a long list of Conservative
MPs without success. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
Having said all of that, we are
pleased to welcome the four of you | 0:11:46 | 0:11:51 | |
to the studio. Make no mistake about
that. Mairtin O Muilleoir, let me | 0:11:51 | 0:11:56 | |
turn to you first. If the deal is
the right gear, it will be worth | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
waiting for. You make it sound as if
we have nothing to do tonight, | 0:11:59 | 0:12:04 | |
because we are the only people who
turned up! I expressly didn't want | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
to give you that impression! We will
all get up early tomorrow. If there | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
is going to be an agreement or
statement, we will study it. Or else | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
we need the Green MEP who spilled
the beans on the last proto- | 0:12:15 | 0:12:20 | |
agreement. Whatever happens
tomorrow, we will stress test it | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
again what we and Sinn Fein want. I
think we speak for the majority of | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
people in the north when we say that
we want a special designated status | 0:12:27 | 0:12:31 | |
within the EU. Other people call it
a unique status. That means the | 0:12:31 | 0:12:36 | |
status quo must maintain. We should
stay in a single market and Customs | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
union. You will not get that in this
deal. Let's test what comes out, if | 0:12:39 | 0:12:46 | |
there is a deal tomorrow. Let's test
it against what we want to see. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
Certainly the language on Monday,
and what an exciting week it was, | 0:12:48 | 0:12:54 | |
but Collingwood on Monday was that
we would have a situation that | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
ensured the rights of Irish citizens
north of the border. -- but the | 0:12:56 | 0:13:07 | |
language on Monday was. What it
underscores more than anything is | 0:13:07 | 0:13:13 | |
the peripheral nature of Sinn Fein.
You are not part of the negotiation | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
process whatsoever. You're watching
from the sidelines like the rest of | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
us. Actually, tomorrow morning, if
there is a deal then Michel Barnier | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
will brief the Parliamentary team
and Sinn Fein will have a | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
representative on that team. You are
being told what the deal is, you had | 0:13:27 | 0:13:31 | |
nothing to do with shaping it. I
think the parliament has input and | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
we have four MEPs in the parliament.
The DUP, what they want to see, and | 0:13:35 | 0:13:41 | |
they are the only party that
campaign for Brexit, and they | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
represent a minority. The Taoiseach
has taken a firm stand and we cannot | 0:13:44 | 0:13:48 | |
have any rolling back from that
stands taken on Monday this week by | 0:13:48 | 0:13:52 | |
the Irish government standing firmly
behind the rights of Irish citizens | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
and the majority of the North. The
Taoiseach repeated several times | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
this week, the DUP speak for a
minority in this. They want to drag | 0:13:57 | 0:14:02 | |
is back to pass that didn't work.
Most people want to be outward | 0:14:02 | 0:14:09 | |
looking. In your view it speaks for
the minority, but it is a party with | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
an awful lot of clout. Let's see
what they do or don't get. But if | 0:14:13 | 0:14:18 | |
they get a deal that is the deal
Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Liam | 0:14:18 | 0:14:24 | |
Fox, the type of deal they want, it
would be a deal for the Brexiteers, | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
it would be a hard Brexit, very
damaging to business here and damage | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
to the community 's sector and it
would mean an end... The Irish | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
government will not accept that and
it has been clear since day one. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
Let's make sure the Irish government
stands firm and for the type of | 0:14:43 | 0:14:47 | |
future we envisage. If anything it
needs to be protected. Those | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
elements which are relevant as far
as the Good Friday Agreement is | 0:14:51 | 0:14:56 | |
concerned were determined in the
original draft. Naomi long, I am | 0:14:56 | 0:15:00 | |
sorry that you're completely out of
the loop on this as well. We are not | 0:15:00 | 0:15:05 | |
in this negotiation, but if you look
at what we, it was pretty close to | 0:15:05 | 0:15:14 | |
where things were coming out in
terms of negotiations earlier this | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
week, it set forward I think the
only tangible proposal from any | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
local party, we discussed them with
the secretary of state and both | 0:15:21 | 0:15:26 | |
governments so we will set out our
position very clearly to those in | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
the negotiations even though we are
not at the table and it's been clear | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
this week despite the DUP having ten
MPs they were not at the table | 0:15:32 | 0:15:36 | |
either. Your colleague Stephen Farry
told me on Monday that the draft | 0:15:36 | 0:15:42 | |
deal which fell on Monday was a
golden opportunity, the best of both | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
worlds, how concerned are you that
that could be changed dramatically | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
in the second deal we think we will
see tomorrow are you not concerned? | 0:15:49 | 0:15:55 | |
I don't think it can be changed
dramatically because the individual | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
pieces which make the deal have been
pretty much on the table and | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
circumscribed by Arlene Foster and
Martin McGuinness's letter which | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
went to the Prime Minister just
after Brexit to set out what we | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
needed in Northern Ireland. I think
effectively on Monday the DUP did | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
not just with gift horse in the most
they shot dead in the head and I've | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
no idea why, we already have
regularity alignment for certain | 0:16:16 | 0:16:23 | |
sectors. It was about taking it up a
notch. The rug from under the feet | 0:16:23 | 0:16:29 | |
of Theresa May... I am not sure
that's the case, I think it was more | 0:16:29 | 0:16:34 | |
a fit of pique because they felt
they had been closed out of | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
negotiations and I don't think it
went down well. The difficulty is in | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
pulling the rug out from Theresa
May's beat the need to remember they | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
have weakened her on the
international stage and yet she is | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
to all intents and purposes the
Prime Minister who will have to | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
negotiate her way through the future
stages of this and she is a much | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
weakened Prime Minister thanks to
how the DUP have handled the | 0:16:56 | 0:17:06 | |
situation. Much better to have had
this conversation behind closed | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
doors, not down a telephone line
which put the government in an | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
embarrassing position. Very
interesting perspectives, let's hear | 0:17:11 | 0:17:13 | |
from the manufacturing sector and
the agricultural sector, Richard, | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
you appeared before the affairs
committee at Westminster yesterday, | 0:17:17 | 0:17:22 | |
how important is it for you and the
people you represent that the | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
politicians get this sorted and
sorted quickly? It's really | 0:17:26 | 0:17:31 | |
important and hopefully we will get
the border thing sorted out by | 0:17:31 | 0:17:35 | |
tomorrow, maybe, maybe not. What I
find very disappointing about this | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
whole process was that are two
leading particle parties tried to | 0:17:39 | 0:17:44 | |
politicise what is a business
problem. Trying to politicise the | 0:17:44 | 0:17:48 | |
border. I think a lot of people in
business find that alarming. It's | 0:17:48 | 0:17:57 | |
important the politicians get
together and start moving forward in | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
a good direction to help us, to give
us direction because within | 0:18:00 | 0:18:08 | |
manufacturing, business in general,
we don't know what will happen. Are | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
you optimistic to hear some kind of
a revised deal appears to now be in | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
the final stages of being agreed,
could well be signed off tomorrow by | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
the powers that be in Brussels which
would give you perhaps the kind of | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
clarity you are looking for? Then
the question is are you guaranteed | 0:18:22 | 0:18:28 | |
the politicians will not start
politicising the deal in the way you | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
think they have politicised the road
to the deal? We are extremely | 0:18:31 | 0:18:37 | |
enthusiastic about it and we are
very optimistic about business with | 0:18:37 | 0:18:41 | |
Northern Ireland. We see fantastic
opportunities within Brexit | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
actually. Which is, sometimes a bit
contradictory but we do find, we do | 0:18:44 | 0:18:52 | |
think there are a fantastic
opportunities if it's handled | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
properly and there is no reason we
cannot become a bridge rather than, | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
so it's not talk about borders or no
borders, let's become a bridge. You | 0:18:58 | 0:19:04 | |
think Northern Ireland could get the
best of both worlds in the deal and | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
it could be a golden opportunity
with a foot in both camps? | 0:19:07 | 0:19:12 | |
Absolutely, why not? Why can they
not be the bridge between Europe and | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
the rest of the world and the UK?
Why not? Is that how you see it in | 0:19:15 | 0:19:21 | |
the agricultural sector? No,
certainly, speaking as Northern | 0:19:21 | 0:19:30 | |
Ireland's farmers we want to see
progress made, the area I live is in | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
Armagh and I live quite near the
border so we would like to see a | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
solution to the border, we want to
see free trade but having said that, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:45 | |
it's been mooted about the border in
the Irish Sea, that would certainly | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
be a big problem for us because our
businesses are worth almost £5 | 0:19:48 | 0:19:54 | |
billion now and 50% of that goes
directly into the UK market so | 0:19:54 | 0:19:59 | |
anything which would disrupt or
change the regulations as regards | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
Northern Ireland into the GB market
it would certainly be a big problem. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:08 | |
Where are you concerned as far as
that element of the Monday draft | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
deal, that it could visit problems
for your sector? And east-west | 0:20:10 | 0:20:18 | |
border effectively? That is right.
We would like to see free trade with | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
our colleagues south of the border
but this east West is a bigger | 0:20:21 | 0:20:26 | |
concern for us because of the volume
of trade we do. Our Chief Executive | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
and myself were in Brussels at the
end of last week and Michel Barnier | 0:20:30 | 0:20:36 | |
told us it was his ideal, the only
answer he could see was for the UK | 0:20:36 | 0:20:42 | |
to come into a customs union or be
aligned in some way. What we were | 0:20:42 | 0:20:48 | |
talking about here for Northern
Ireland, if that could be applied UK | 0:20:48 | 0:20:54 | |
while Leave why it could cause a lot
of problems. So you will be reading | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
the terms of the deal if there is a
deal tomorrow very carefully because | 0:20:58 | 0:21:02 | |
that's an issue that unionists
flagged up, if there is to be some | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
kind of regulatory alignment they
would like it to apply more widely | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
and to Northern Ireland. Yes, we do
not take part in politics, this is | 0:21:10 | 0:21:18 | |
merely on trade business we are
concerned about for Northern | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
Ireland. I appreciate that but it's
a political negotiation which is the | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
difficulty. The politicians have the
say so and a degree of influence | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
over how you do business in future,
that is the reality. I have to agree | 0:21:29 | 0:21:35 | |
that is the reality but nonetheless
it is our top priority. To have no | 0:21:35 | 0:21:40 | |
interference with trade. What do you
make of that, it's a real concern | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
and there are a lot of farmers in
Northern Ireland and a lot of | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
business. Absolutely and in
manufacturing and I think the point | 0:21:47 | 0:21:51 | |
is well made. We called our paper on
Brexit bridges not barriers because | 0:21:51 | 0:21:56 | |
we want to see Northern Ireland's
businesses able to trade freely with | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
the rest of the UK and Republic of
Ireland and beyond because there's | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
an opportunity here for us if we
have the special arrangement to be | 0:22:03 | 0:22:08 | |
able to maximise our business. Not
just protect what we have but grow | 0:22:08 | 0:22:16 | |
what we have into the future after
Brexit and it's important we future | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
proof business. We cannot have hard
borders either in the Irish Sea are | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
a lot of the border with the
Republic but regulatory alignment, | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
having no diverging from the EU,
that's not mutually exclusive with | 0:22:23 | 0:22:30 | |
being able to remain to do trade
with the UK. When you look at the | 0:22:30 | 0:22:36 | |
wording, it's only going to relate
to a certain number of sectors. It | 0:22:36 | 0:22:41 | |
already happens in a certain number
of sectors, we already have | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
regulatory alignment in some sectors
on a island-wide basis and on other | 0:22:44 | 0:22:51 | |
sectors it's across the UK. There
have been occasions were having a | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
border and its other serious hard
border but some kind of boundary in | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
the Irish Sea has been beneficial to
farmers. Redford and mouth and so | 0:22:58 | 0:23:03 | |
on, the fact our cattle are not
classed the same as GB was to our | 0:23:03 | 0:23:08 | |
benefit army could continue to
trade. There is an occasion where | 0:23:08 | 0:23:12 | |
that's it to our advantage so why
would we not maximise our advantage? | 0:23:12 | 0:23:18 | |
That is a good example of how the
different Cenation work in favour, | 0:23:18 | 0:23:22 | |
OK it was lying time ago and we
don't want another outbreak of foot | 0:23:22 | 0:23:26 | |
and mouth, obviously, but it is an
example of how benefited. As long as | 0:23:26 | 0:23:33 | |
there are no barriers between us and
the UK we could see a lot of | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
advantages going forward and there
are a lot of positives to grow our | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
share of the home market. The GB
market is 65 million people. Richard | 0:23:40 | 0:23:48 | |
how concerned are you by the issue
raised that is some kind of border | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
which divides your business in
Northern Ireland for the rest of the | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
United Kingdom, you don't want that?
And the people you represent the one | 0:23:55 | 0:24:00 | |
that? Definitely not, we do not want
borders anywhere, we want free trade | 0:24:00 | 0:24:05 | |
back and forward. There has to be a
border somewhere. Yes but it can be | 0:24:05 | 0:24:11 | |
negotiated and we can work through
it but we need to get to the point | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
to make their next move which
hopefully tomorrow we can see what | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
that can be but we need to get to
that point first then we can discuss | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
it. There are different kinds of
borders. This is what we need to | 0:24:20 | 0:24:25 | |
start talking about. When it's the
alignment we already have there is | 0:24:25 | 0:24:29 | |
already a border effective for
certain goods which doesn't cause | 0:24:29 | 0:24:34 | |
disruption. We need to focus on the
practicalities but we have to get | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
this ready first and get it agreed
or we will never move to the point | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
these gentlemen need to be at. I am
sympathetic to what I've and Richard | 0:24:41 | 0:24:47 | |
are saying but unfortunately and
Michel Barnier has said this many | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
times, you cannot have your cake and
eat it. The British want to leave | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
the EU. I don't understand that. Let
me explain, Michel Barnier said the | 0:24:53 | 0:25:01 | |
British voted, English and Welsh
certainly voted to leave the EU and | 0:25:01 | 0:25:05 | |
a majority here voted to stay there
we are a special case Angela Powers | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
said very clearly they are going to
stand behind the Irish government | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
that there should be no damage done
to the north of Ireland under annex | 0:25:13 | 0:25:20 | |
it so Europe wants to see a solution
and it is seen to the British | 0:25:20 | 0:25:25 | |
government you want out, you cannot
say we want to leave the EU but | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
still want the rights and
entitlements. I know business wants | 0:25:28 | 0:25:33 | |
to be agnostic and I appreciate that
but if the DUP get the way they are | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
exiting the same way Manchester and
Bristol are and that is a hard exit. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:43 | |
If the deal goes to tomorrow that's
not the case. This is what I am | 0:25:43 | 0:25:48 | |
trying to say, trying to politicise
all of this again is a nonsense and | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
it's not acceptable to us in
business. Stop it. We need to get to | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
appoint move forward. You can say
that, and it's a sexy phrase and a | 0:25:56 | 0:26:04 | |
headline but what does it mean in
real terms because politics governs | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
this process. We are talking about
borders again so in that, the | 0:26:08 | 0:26:13 | |
borders and having a lack of them
whatever way it's going to work out, | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
that a business thing we need to be
concentrating on as business so we | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
know what is going to be there. So
we can employ people, get them into | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
work, pay taxes and make his
province into what it can be. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:31 | |
Hopefully someone from the DUP may
be watching tonight so what is your | 0:26:31 | 0:26:36 | |
message to them from the people you
represent? Stop this silly nonsense, | 0:26:36 | 0:26:42 | |
get yourselves back and sit back and
get storm and running again so we | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
can as businesses and farmers get on
with what we want to do. I would | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
certainly agree with that and I also
want to say that this is not a | 0:26:50 | 0:26:57 | |
one-way ticket. Speaking to our
farmers, in the member states, like | 0:26:57 | 0:27:02 | |
a lot of member states are really
anxious on the continent and anxious | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
to get a good deal, ideal of free
trade in and out of the UK. It's not | 0:27:05 | 0:27:11 | |
all us in the UK wanting to deal
with the continent, there are a lot | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
of member states you want to deal
with us. I need to ask about | 0:27:15 | 0:27:20 | |
Stormont, Richard saying get it
sorted out and get back to stored | 0:27:20 | 0:27:25 | |
mint -- to Stormont, you will see
you wanted but not under the current | 0:27:25 | 0:27:29 | |
conditions and the DUP need to move
on their position but if this deal | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
is on the table tomorrow and is
contingent upon the devolved | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
assembly being backed up and
running, to actually implement | 0:27:35 | 0:27:39 | |
whatever decisions are taken, are
you going to thumb your nose at the | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
deal and hold to your red lines and
see this opportunity go down the | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
Swan Lake? Let me reply to Richard,
there should be continuation of | 0:27:46 | 0:27:52 | |
single market and a customs union so
business are saying they don't want | 0:27:52 | 0:27:57 | |
a hard border. Boris Johnson says he
wants to leave the EU therefore we | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
have to politicise this. The DUP
position is the Brexit position and | 0:28:01 | 0:28:06 | |
ours is not, it's the majority
position across this Ireland. I | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
would love to be back in government,
any of us in elected position want | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
to be there to deliver for people.
The DUP is the blockage, once they | 0:28:14 | 0:28:19 | |
guarantee they will give us the
government... THEY TALK OVER EACH | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
OTHER Once the DUP guarantee they
can treat people equally, things may | 0:28:22 | 0:28:33 | |
be nonsense to you but they are
important to ordinary people, I am | 0:28:33 | 0:28:37 | |
pleased that there was an opinion
poll today showing the majority of | 0:28:37 | 0:28:42 | |
people want to see... Those other
issues have to be dealt with | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
otherwise no matter what the
opportunities as far as tomorrow's | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
deal might be your not going back to
Stormont? We will be back to | 0:28:48 | 0:28:53 | |
Stormont as soon as the DUP step up
and see the Good Friday Agreement | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
which agrees equality for all, they
will respect that. So that obstacle | 0:28:57 | 0:29:01 | |
are still in place? I remember when
Leo Varadkar came here and on the | 0:29:01 | 0:29:07 | |
same issue of same-sex marriage she
will not be compromised. From our | 0:29:07 | 0:29:13 | |
perspective any divergences we will
have from the overall deal, any | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
special arrangements will be reliant
on getting an assembly back up and | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
running. I think the majority of
people want to see that happen, they | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
want politicians to be grappling
with the detail which will follow | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
any deal which comes tomorrow and I
think it's time to get their heads | 0:29:27 | 0:29:33 | |
together and find a way to get back
into Stormont like the rest of | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
A sentence each. I'm disappointed
with local politicians. At a time | 0:29:42 | 0:29:46 | |
like this with farming in love
Island and the size of the food | 0:29:46 | 0:29:50 | |
business, we would like to see some
leadership shown in Stormont to us | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
moving forward. We are complete
alignment. | 0:29:53 | 0:30:00 | |
Thank you all. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:02 | |
Let's hear what tonight's
commentators have to say | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
about that, and the prospect
of a new deal tomorrow. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:06 | |
Alex Kane and Fionnuala
O Connor are with me. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:12 | |
Good to see you. I have been handed
a piece of paper with the latest | 0:30:12 | 0:30:17 | |
information from political editor in
London Laura Kuenssberg. Speculation | 0:30:17 | 0:30:20 | |
continues. Theresa May will go
tomorrow early to finalise | 0:30:20 | 0:30:28 | |
agreements. Talks will continue
through the night and it is | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
understood additional wording has
been finalised in the text to | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
provide additional reassurance to
the DUP. Alex? I have no idea what | 0:30:34 | 0:30:38 | |
will happen. We sat here last week
and we knew Sammy Wilson and Peter | 0:30:38 | 0:30:48 | |
Robinson had made their
interventions. They were spooked and | 0:30:48 | 0:30:50 | |
angry. But they need a deal to
because the Conservative Party is | 0:30:50 | 0:30:54 | |
not going to allow, with a few
exceptions, is not going to allow | 0:30:54 | 0:30:58 | |
the DUP to block everything of
thing. Tomorrow Theresa May, | 0:30:58 | 0:31:05 | |
politically damaged and
psychologically savaged on Monday, | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
she needs to prove she is a lead
again. She needs to square that | 0:31:09 | 0:31:11 | |
circle. Your political antenna is
usually pretty good, what's | 0:31:11 | 0:31:16 | |
happening at the moment? I don't
know. I think Theresa May is not | 0:31:16 | 0:31:21 | |
just damage, but she is on her last
chance. Really? I do. She was forced | 0:31:21 | 0:31:28 | |
into that position. People made the
point during the week where she | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
didn't want any freethinker
clarified. Didn't want the situation | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
clarified of what she would go for
in the end. -- she didn't want | 0:31:34 | 0:31:38 | |
anything clarified. Now apparently
she wants a cabinet meeting before | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
Christmas at which everything will
come out in the open. During which | 0:31:41 | 0:31:45 | |
all the people inside her Cabinet
who disagree with each other and | 0:31:45 | 0:31:47 | |
want to her job in a couple of
cases, will open up. She's in a | 0:31:47 | 0:31:53 | |
terrible position. The challenge is
that if tomorrow turns out to be a | 0:31:53 | 0:31:58 | |
deal based on a fudge where
constructive ambiguity is what gets | 0:31:58 | 0:32:02 | |
it over the line, how long can it
last before it all begins to turn in | 0:32:02 | 0:32:07 | |
on itself? That's the problem. The
same thing will happen as has | 0:32:07 | 0:32:12 | |
happened to the Good Friday
Agreement. Constructive ambiguity | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
became destructive very quickly. And
Theresa May does not believe in | 0:32:15 | 0:32:22 | |
Brexit. She is not committed to
Brexit. She is in and a possible | 0:32:22 | 0:32:27 | |
task, trying to deliver something
she has no interest in. She is try | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
to make the best of it. Held hostage
for all the wrong reasons by the | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
DUP. A deal she never needed to do
and is now paying the price for | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
doing stupid deal. Tomorrow she is
still trying to please these people. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:44 | |
It's a ridiculously embarrassing
position for a British Prime | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
Minister to find herself in. Do you
have the sense Arlene Foster has | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
Theresa May over a barrel at the
moment? I don't know. They could be | 0:32:50 | 0:32:55 | |
an element of pretence in the DUP
position. I think they may have | 0:32:55 | 0:32:59 | |
overplayed their hand. Whether they
decide to go for it, they obviously | 0:32:59 | 0:33:05 | |
couldn't decide to go for broke and
say, we will bring you down, walking | 0:33:05 | 0:33:09 | |
out, and we will risk Jeremy Corbyn
getting back in and risk the | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
election. So they pulled back from
the brink. And I feel they will do | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
so again. But there isn't much time
left. That's the problem. To hear | 0:33:16 | 0:33:23 | |
briefly from the agriculture sector
and manufacturing sector, taking on | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
the politicians and saying, sort
yourselves out, it's not often you | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
hear that. I don't want to be rude,
but I really heard such magical | 0:33:29 | 0:33:35 | |
thinking. Politicising this
question, they said. Politicising | 0:33:35 | 0:33:41 | |
the border, where have these people
been living their entire lives? The | 0:33:41 | 0:33:45 | |
border isn't political? Is it
political naivete? There is more | 0:33:45 | 0:33:51 | |
chants of me becoming happy than
Stormont being put together any time | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
soon. It's not happening. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:58 | |
That's it from The View
for this week. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:00 | |
Join me for Sunday Politics
at 11:35am here on BBC1. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
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