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No agreement on a Stormont deal,

nor on who should run

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the place instead,

but a series of increasingly

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toxic exchanges between

two political tribes.

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So has all hope now gone

for the restoration of devolution?

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Welcome to The View.

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All last year hopes were being held

out for a deal to get Stormont

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up and running again,

but barely two weeks into 2018

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and it's emerged that one

of tonight's guests is looking

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for other work because he doesn't

think Stormont is coming back.

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The DUP's Edwin Poots says he'd

prefer to stay in politics

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and a working Assembly than get

a new job, but we'll ask him

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and Sinn Fein's John O'Dowd

about what appears to be a very slim

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chance of their parties forming

an Executive together again.

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All of that comes at the end

of a week where another

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politician's tweet -

whether intended or unintended -

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has raised suspicions

and lowered expectations.

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That is why we have a political

process, because people believed

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their game was up with outright

terrorism and violence. Had they had

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a change within their mindset and

hearts, actually they have to do

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business in a different way.

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And no strangers to the airwaves,

but newbies in Commentators' Corner,

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we welcome on board Allison Morris

from the Irish News

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and the News Letter's Sam McBride.

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Is it only in Northern Ireland that

an image of a man with a loaf

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of bread on his head could lead

to a political crisis?

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But that's what happened here this

week - and we're still calculating

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the possible damage.

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Sinn Fein called the actions

of Barry McElduff indefensible,

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but the party's decision to suspend

the West Tyrone MP -

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and not expel him - appears to have

compounded the situation.

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In a moment we'll hear

from Sinn Fein and from the DUP,

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which says republicans must stop

glorifying IRA terrorism.

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But first Gareth Gordon assesses how

bad the fall-out from this

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strangest of affairs might be.

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This is the Sinn Fein side on the

third floor. That sat there is DUP

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territory, but that is where I have

to go to get a Snickers.

This is

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Barry McElduff doing what he does.

I

put a pound in the DUP vending

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machine, and I got £1 60 back...

And

this is the moment the joke

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backfired on Barry McElduff and his

party.

I am at a classic

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devastation, and I wonder where they

keep the bread?

The MP with the

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Kingsmill loaf on its head denied

knowing it was the anniversary of

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the Kingsmills massacre.

I have no

doubt that hurt and pain has been

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caused, but, you know, it was

genuinely unintended on my part.

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That is not the way it has turned

out.

No matter how one examines it,

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it was offensive. Coming from where

I come from, there is only a handful

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of Protestant families in our

immediate area. I think there has

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always been a great sense of

protection and protectiveness of

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those Protestant families among the

Catholics and nationalists living in

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that area. So, if you offend one of

those you will offend me.

The

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journalist reflected the widespread

sense of outrage that went well

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beyond the unionist community. In

the run-up to the first anniversary

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of Martin McGuinness resignation as

First Minister, it puts Sinn Fein on

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the back foot at the worst possible

time. After being summoned to the

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leadership, Barry McElduff left

suspended the not expelled as many

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thought he should have been. It is

hard to imagine relations between

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DUP and Sinn Fein getting any worse.

But this episode may just have done

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it. The DUP leader visited the

Kingsmills families, many said they

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were shocked by the punishment.

I

think it is a pathetic response from

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the Sinn Fein leadership. They

should really reflect on this

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tonight.

It is a feeling shared by

this journalist who has written

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widely on the plight of victims.

What if one of the DUP politicians

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who thinks their hell areas, and

Iraq a few of those around as well,

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what if he had gone around with a

pan on his head on the anniversary

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of the book isn't massacre. -- and

there are a few of those. With the

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DUP be happy if they got a slap on

the wrist and a three-month

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suspension on full pay. That is the

way we need to think about this.

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Sinn Fein has made very light of

this and they talked about it at

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first as if he thought it was very

serious, but when it came to it, the

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sanction was extremely light by any

standards.

So why did Sinn Fein take

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the course they did?

Anyway short of

expelling Barry McElduff, I thought

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they were never going to satisfy

their political opponents. Given

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that, clearly the leadership of

champagne at this, believe Barry

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McElduff account that this is an

awful coincidence. That action fame.

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I never thought they would expel

them. Barry McElduff as an awful lot

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of what to do to salvage that

reputation, that has to be ditching

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this joking persona that landed him

in this bother. It is also about

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repairing his relationship within

the party and the electorate and

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also amongst Unionists.

Unionists

might be a step too far. This meant

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is from Armagh where Kingsmills is

felt most deeply.

Barry McElduff was

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reflecting a different view from

people in his political party? I

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don't think so. I don't think there

has been a change of heart who were

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participants in violence who

glorified that violence. That is why

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we have a political process, because

people believed their game was up

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with outright terrorism and

violence. Had they actually had a

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change within their mindset and

hearts, that actually they have to

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do business in a different way. That

is a question that I do think has

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yet been over.

As they try once more

to revive devolution, the chances of

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success are not great anyway. There

is little doubt that the way back to

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Stormont is now even more difficult

to see.

We were in a position fairly

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quickly to calculate the damaged by

Arlene Foster reference to

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crocodiles, simply because we had to

election is coming very rapidly

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after her remarks. Now, we don't

have an election in the offing now.

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So, that damage, that potential

damage, is more difficult to

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evaluate at this point in time. We

are in a fast potential here with a

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new Secretary of State, the whole

Brexit row is endless. So, this may

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not be as damaging as Eileen's

remarks, but it is going to be very

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hard for people to forget. -- Arlene

Foster's remarks.

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Gareth Gordon reporting.

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So where does all of that

leave relations between

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the two main parties -

and any prospect of

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devolution talks resuming?

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I'm joined by the DUP's Edwin Poots

and Sinn Fein's John O'Dowd.

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Not a good week for Sinn Fein, I

think everybody agrees with that.

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What you need to do to win back the

trust and respect of people who are

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fed up to the back teeth of conduct

of local politicians and the failure

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of local politics?

I think first and

foremost this has been an awful week

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for the victims of Kingsmills. And

also for victims across our society.

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I don't believe Barry's reactions

were setting out to cause hurt, but

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he has caused hurt. We as a party

have to recognise that and Barry has

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to recognise that. We still have our

political responsibilities and a

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responsibility to deal with the

issues that have brought it to the

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current political impasse. They have

not gone away. We sent me an don't

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need to add to our problems, we have

not problems to deal with without

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anyone or any section of our society

adding more problems. But, we have

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to solve the political problems we

have, and I think that is the best

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testament we can make to all of

those people out there who have

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suffered because of... That we never

make the same mistakes we have done

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in the past.

We will talk about

Barry McElduff's video in a moment

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of truth. What USA is that to

recover from a difficult week we

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need to make politics work. What you

are saying... But this is making

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things more difficult, that is the

conundrum.

I think this has been

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exacerbated because we were in a

difficult political situation in the

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first place. I read Ian Paisley

Junior peace in the newspaper on

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Saturday morning before this

incident had fully developed. He was

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setting up a bleak view on Saturday.

There have been comments around that

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they did not support the agreement

in the past and will not supported

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in the future. The basis on which we

have political agreement has been

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undermined and chipped away at

constantly. We have to resolve it,

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we have together ourselves together

and move on to make the political

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solutions that we know we can get

to, we have to make them work.

Edwin

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Poots, Sinn Fein has not had a

monopoly on attracting criticism

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this week, what can the DUP do to

win back people's trust?

I think

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there is an important thing to do

that both parties and that is

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engaging to people from other

communities and have people feel

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comfortable, wherever they happen to

be from. I recognise that from our

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part. We need to be reaching out and

we have been working on that. I

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think that Fein is certainly need

Sinn to do that, as well. It was

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hugely unfortunate what Barry

McElduff done, we have a

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circumstance where 12 men were on a

bus, one man was asked to walk away

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because he was Roman Catholic and

the other 11 were pumped full of

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bullets, ten died. The IRA had a

sectarian campaign as did others,

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that this was manifested so clearly

in this incident when the one Roman

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Catholic was asked to leave the bus

and mass murder happened. To mock

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that is something that has caused

huge hurt and devastation,

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particularly in south Armagh.

A lot

of people were offended by your

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colleague, Christopher Stalford's

actions last night. He would be

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treated the offensive cartoon, and

his critics said he attempted to

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score political points in this.

There is no high ground.

Brian

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Spencer's cutting was probably one

of the most hard-hitting cuttings of

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the troubles. It did spell out very

clearly what Sinn Fein was about.

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Christopher was very quick to

respond whenever someone asked in to

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respond. And he immediately removed

it.

But his accompanying message is

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what caused a lot of offence and

what led to people saying that

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Christopher Stalford was trying to

make political capital out of it.

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Sinn Fein, offended by everything

and ashamed by nothing. Retweeting

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the cutting was not the problem,

putting that message alongside it

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was what annoyed so many people.

I'm

not sure who that actual message

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annoyed. I think some of the victims

were annoyed by just how powerful

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the cartoon was and I can understand

anybody who lost a loved one could

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feel that it was going to far. That

is who Christopher was responding

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to. He was not responding to the

Naomi Long's of the world.

She asked

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to take you down and said it was

appropriate. John O'Dowd, what did

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you make of the Brian Spencer

cartoon and the row that erupted

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over the message that was posted

with by Christopher Stalford and

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also Doug Beattie got into hot water

on social media last night because

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of his engagement in that debate.

Political art is not... I have no

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difficulty with the journalist or

the artist producing this piece of

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work. The hypocrisy of some within

Unionism, I have to say I have a

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difficult with. It may cause offence

but they refuse to take it down, and

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when it was taken down down they

accuse others of having a problem

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with that. I think there is a lot to

be learnt from this week. It has not

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been a good week for politics. As I

said at the start of the programme,

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it's me has not been a good week for

the victims of the conflict. I think

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we all need to take a step back,

ensure whatever we say and do is

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measured. And that we learn from the

lessons of this week and that we

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endeavour to develop to repeat, it

is our only solution to the

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problems. We have to make politics

work and ensure the agreements that

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we have signed up to and what we

have difficult fee with, or the

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agreements were a compromise either

by Unionism or Republicanism. There

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is an uncanny are uncomfortable

nature with all the agreements. It

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is the best we have and get and we

have to move on.

Can I say there is

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a

markedly different tone from the

airwaves on Monday, Edwin Poots, you

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were and I were involved in a

conversation on the radio and you

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were knocking lumps out of each

other at that stage. It is a

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different situation that I find

myself into night. Have you both

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learned lessons over the past few

days?

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We have plenty of time to kick lumps

out of each other before the

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programme finishes. Then all of

these things, we need to move on.

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Politics in Northern Ireland needs

to move on. It is not good for the

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Trinity, it has not been good in the

health service as we have noticed. I

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waiting times that were too long are

no longer. We have not seen the

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reform and education that we need,

and we have not witnessed the

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housing programme being developed

that should have been happening.

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There are lots of things that should

be happening right now with the

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Government, with the ministers in

place, and that can't

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Government, with the ministers in

place, and that can't go on. We need

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to have Government, and that is our

prevalence all day long. We need to

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happiness is included.

Hadi respond

to that? There is nothing

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particularly new in what Edwin Poots

it saying, but using it in a

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slightly different way to which it

has been said on a number of

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occasions over the past 12 months.

Up against that, you are going to

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tell me that Sinn Fein's equality

and respect agenda remains

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unchanged. Does it? Because that

doesn't cut any ice with Unionists

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after the Barry McElduff affair?

I

think the events of last week make

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the equality and respect agenda of

the more important. Because Barry

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McElduff shot Sinn Fein in the fit?

Sinn Fein are dead hand, I have no

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hard that the less people watching

this programme tonight to our very

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angry, and that includes Sinn Fein

supporters.

As a justifiable?

Yes, I

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think it is. I think we have a right

to be angry. I'm convinced, because

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I know the character of the man,

that Barry did not set out to cause

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heart pain, but the fact of the

matter is that he did, and we have

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to deal with that.

The issue is

whether he meant to do but he did

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and he meant to cause offence, and

you are not good to agree on that.

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There is also the additional issue

of how CVC Sinn Fein to get when it

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came down to the final analysis, and

you're actually putting and post

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something of action against him,

something the punishment, and you

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had one of our contributors saying

that the argument is it was not

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enough, it was an extremely led a

tangent, that is how she put it, for

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something that was described as very

crass, stupid, hopeful and

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unforgivable. Three-month suspension

on full pay.

Work on a punishment is

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that? We do not believe that he set

out to cause heart and unforgivable.

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Three-month suspension on full pay.

Work on a punishment is that? We do

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not believe that he set out to cause

our campaign, so we will not satisfy

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those people, and when it comes to

the Kingsmills families, I can

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understand why they are angry and

annoyed, and I also understand why

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they do not trust watching anything,

because why would they? They had

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been deeply hard by the Barbican is,

so why would the trust us? We have

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to look at what is being presented

to us. I believe he did not set out

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to cause harm, but he did, and I

also read that sanctions were

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required against him.

He has now

been suspended for three months. His

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constituency office today say he is

on full pay.

He is representing his

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constituents. He is no longer

involved in any Sinn Fein work.

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While he be involved in electing

Gerry Adams's successor he is

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suspended.

He will have no vote at

local level, national level or any

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other level. He will have no say in

terms of internal discussions I've

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owned...

Can I be absolutely clear,

what is your message to Barry

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McElduff if he is watching this

programme tonight? It is actions any

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schism and indefensible. We shall I

know says ill judged, indefensible,

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an error of judgment which cause

heart on paint and something that

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fell short of the standard expected

of Sinn Fein.

What is your message?

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I endorse those messages, and

speaking to other party colleagues,

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we endorse those messages, and we

believe that Barry has listened to

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this message and realise... Has a

lead you down? I am not concerned

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about me. Had he let Sinn Fein down?

The most important people he has let

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down if the families of the

Kingsmills attack. He has let down

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other victims across satiety, and he

has let itself down. That is where

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the heart has been caused. Should he

stop clowning around, Ron? It would

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not be my still, I have to say, and

social media. I think politicians

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have a responsibility, and I think

it is best to leave the comedy to

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the comedians at times, and allow

the representatives to get on with

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it.

Sinn Fein suspended another

politician first six months because

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he had his an abortion may disagree

with. It seems a somewhat different

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attitude.

Sinn Fein's political

opponents were never going to be

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satisfied...

LED never a Sinn Fein

has been punished before, and that

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was his punishment.

But you can

tell, catchy, sitting here tonight,

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that a John O'Dowd is annoyed by

what Barry McElduff did. You can

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tell he is disappointed and

annotated by what Mr McElduff dead.

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You can see that, can't you?

I can

see that, but we need to dig a

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little further. First of all, Sinn

Fein have never condemned the

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Kingsmill massacre.

We have. I will

put it on the record here tonight. I

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remember Kingsmills very well. I had

to my cousins shot dead the night

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before, and I had another uncle left

for dead. What happened at

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Kingsmills was wrong, it was

sectarian, and regardless of who

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carried it out, whether it was the

IRA are others are people acting

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from the IRA, it was long and have

condemned it in the past, and I had

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my condemnation to a tonight. It is

wrong when it happened, it is long

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today.

Do you accept that it was a

purely sectarian murder, about ten

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men were killed because they were

Protestant?

Yes. It is shameful what

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happened on the roadside insert a

mat that day. Absolutely shameful.

0:20:590:21:03

As a Republican, I am ashamed at

that. Those who carried it out

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should be ashamed. I am one of many

now Republican leaders who has said

0:21:080:21:12

what happened at Kingsmills was

wrong. Those who carried it out does

0:21:120:21:18

not in anyway advance the cause of

Irish unity, and we have caused...

0:21:180:21:25

That is why I say I am not surprised

by the Kingsmills families are so

0:21:250:21:29

annoyed, and will not believe what

Sinn Fein has said, because

0:21:290:21:33

Republicans have harmed them. But

there is a responsibility for

0:21:330:21:37

Unionist politicians and the public

and politicians to move the society

0:21:370:21:41

forward.

That is our responsibility.

Can I take that one step forward

0:21:410:21:44

question what you have said in clear

terms that you are ashamed of what

0:21:440:21:47

happens, then it was completely

wrong and unforgivable and any

0:21:470:21:50

schism. We do lead to see the people

responsible for that brought to

0:21:500:21:53

justice?

If the families of

Kingsmill have a right to access

0:21:530:21:58

justice. Just as every other

families who have lost loved ones.

0:21:580:22:02

There are many, many families out

there who has not seen the

0:22:020:22:06

perpetrators who have killed their

loved ones before the courts. All

0:22:060:22:09

those families deserve access to

justice, and the Kingsmill families

0:22:090:22:13

deserve access to justice.

Women

recruits had the murder weapon. Sinn

0:22:130:22:25

Fein think he is a fitting person to

name a playpark after that children

0:22:250:22:29

play in. They say this is a man of

honour, this is and we should

0:22:290:22:33

respect, but he had the weapon that

was involved at the Kingsmill

0:22:330:22:37

massacre.

That does not mean he was

involved.

I don't want to rehash

0:22:370:22:41

that argument, we have added many

tens on the airwaves about the

0:22:410:22:44

rights and wrongs of it naming a

pack after the likes of this man. I

0:22:440:22:56

understand...

It is wrong.

I do want

you to adjust Pacific or the

0:22:560:23:05

comments which are, to be like of

which I have never had before

0:23:050:23:09

certainly from a Sinn Fein

representative about Kingsmills. How

0:23:090:23:12

do you respond to what strikes me as

a very personal reaction to

0:23:120:23:17

Kingsmills after 42 years from John

O'Dowd?

I work on what he said. -- I

0:23:170:23:25

welcome what he said, and I would

say what having to has happened to

0:23:250:23:30

has family was wrong as well, that

should never have happened. We have

0:23:300:23:33

a history of the baby killed on both

sides. It has not achieved anything

0:23:330:23:42

after all these years. As living a

political vacuum is something others

0:23:420:23:49

will look to fill, and it gives is

all the more impetus to pitch every

0:23:490:23:53

move things forward, and there are

things we do not like about the DUP,

0:23:530:23:59

about Sinn Fein, but we have what

with them for ten years. This last

0:23:590:24:04

year has been unproductive and

unfulfilling as a politician,

0:24:040:24:08

because things are not happening and

you're not getting things done the

0:24:080:24:11

way you should. I really want to see

us moving forward and to an

0:24:110:24:14

assembly, and to an executive, and

we need to cut the red lines and get

0:24:140:24:17

down to business.

So disenchanted

argue with the political situation

0:24:170:24:22

that you told my colleague yesterday

that you are looking for another

0:24:220:24:27

job.

I have considered what my

options are outside of politics.

You

0:24:270:24:30

have said you are actively pursuing

other work.

I am looking at what the

0:24:300:24:35

future might hold should be be

unsuccessful in an outcome.

Which

0:24:350:24:42

way do you play that? Are you on the

verge of throwing the towel in and

0:24:420:24:45

walking away, Paula Bradley good to

be W to get storm at up and running

0:24:450:24:50

again? And that might involve some

degree of compromise on your part.

0:24:500:24:55

Are you prepared to do that? I think

if you are looking at a precipice,

0:24:550:25:04

you should avoid it, and it is a

precipice. There are two ways of me

0:25:040:25:07

personally avoiding it, and one way

as we find a solution and I continue

0:25:070:25:12

in politics, or if we do not find

the solution, I quickly find

0:25:120:25:16

something else to do and move on in

life, and I want to ensure that I

0:25:160:25:21

have both options fulfilled. But

believe me, we are going to do our

0:25:210:25:25

best to ensure that we can move

Northern Ireland forward, and that

0:25:250:25:29

involves, whether I like it or not,

bother a lot of our supporters liked

0:25:290:25:33

it or not, doing some sort of

business with Sinn Fein, and whether

0:25:330:25:39

Sinn Fein supporters like it or not,

and will involve doing some sort of

0:25:390:25:43

business with the DUP, because we

are too large to be ignored in this.

0:25:430:25:48

It seems to me there is a different

mood in this conversation tonight.

0:25:480:25:51

It is obvious from talking to the

two of you before the programme and

0:25:510:25:54

during, that you get on, and that

effort was up to the two of you

0:25:540:25:58

would like to see things sorted out

in a positive way. The question is,

0:25:580:26:03

what about the red lines that Fein

has? You'd thought all be sitting in

0:26:030:26:07

that seat in November on this

programme that you cannot compromise

0:26:070:26:12

on a compromise. Positions on

equality and respect, and we will

0:26:120:26:17

not be shifting. Things like Bill of

Rights, same-sex marriage, an Irish

0:26:170:26:22

language act. You prepared to

discuss some kind of bigger room

0:26:220:26:26

that allows you to get back into the

executive with Edwin Poots and

0:26:260:26:30

actually move forward and some of

the issues that are not being sorted

0:26:300:26:33

out at the moment?

I do listen to

develop common, things are difficult

0:26:330:26:41

between the DUP and Sinn Fein. It is

appropriate to be civil to each

0:26:410:26:46

other in any setting, and we want to

set an example for society and vice

0:26:460:26:52

versa. But the reality as it has

been constant that through this

0:26:520:26:57

interview and other interviews, we

have the politics of forward based

0:26:570:27:02

on agreement, and those agreements

have to be permitted. Those

0:27:020:27:05

compromises which are public and

spade and Unionist have made which

0:27:050:27:08

are but us to this point have to be

built upon. Let's implement...

0:27:080:27:19

Equality and respect and integrity

applies as much to us as it does to

0:27:190:27:22

unionism, so we need to implement

it.

Any word, argue confident a deal

0:27:220:27:26

can be done to restore devolution?

I

am realistic about the future. I

0:27:260:27:32

think we have huge problems, but I

think they can be overcome.

I

0:27:320:27:35

believe a deal could have been done

last year, that the distance was not

0:27:350:27:40

that far at some point. And if that

is a mind to do it, a deal can be

0:27:400:27:45

done this year. It's good to be very

hard to sell given the events of the

0:27:450:27:49

last year for both sides. Speaking

for Mike community, and the

0:27:490:27:55

committee I represent, I feel very

much.

0:27:550:27:59

Thank you, both.

0:27:590:28:02

Now as we mentioned,

we've a new Secretary of State

0:28:020:28:10

in residence at Hillsborough Castle.

0:28:100:28:11

Karen Bradley has taken over

from James Brokenshire

0:28:110:28:13

who resigned suddenly on health

grounds on Monday.

0:28:130:28:15

She's an accountant by profession

and a former Culture Secretary,

0:28:150:28:17

but whether or not she'll figure out

how to restore devolution

0:28:170:28:20

is another matter.

0:28:200:28:21

And as she immerses herself

in all things Northern Ireland,

0:28:210:28:23

how long will it take for her to get

a clear vision of politics here?

0:28:230:28:32

Hello, hello. Welcome. Tell me what

you are doing?

I am studying. I have

0:28:410:28:52

a presentation in about ten minutes.

Are we getting in the way!? I always

0:28:520:28:58

thinks politics is life, everything

you do in life, politics comes into

0:28:580:29:04

it somewhere. Goodness me, I can

change the law! That was a

0:29:040:29:10

monumental thing in my life and the

moment I thought I like this. I

0:29:100:29:13

decided I was going to do this silly

game of politics and here I am now.

0:29:130:29:21

I know there are challenges, but I

am determined that we will find a

0:29:260:29:30

way through those challenges. We

need to did deliver devolved

0:29:300:29:35

Government to Northern Ireland as

soon as possible and that is what I

0:29:350:29:38

am determined to do.

0:29:380:29:39

Someone who knows Karen Bradley

is the journalist and broadcaster

0:29:390:29:41

Anne McElvoy, who joins me

now from London.

0:29:410:29:43

Anne McElvoy, thank you.

0:29:430:29:47

Do you think Theresa May made a good

choice?

I think she made the choice

0:29:470:29:58

intended to make, that Karen Bradley

is the minister closest to Theresa

0:29:580:30:02

May personally. I think this is a

sign that the Prime Minister is very

0:30:020:30:06

serious about the situation, and

particularly wanted to have someone

0:30:060:30:09

on the ground who she can have

constant communication with. The two

0:30:090:30:13

women who I think are in touch, not

that they sit there and pour out

0:30:130:30:17

their hearts to each other, but

there relationship has been a good

0:30:170:30:21

and solid won over many years. She

has someone in Karen Bradley summer

0:30:210:30:26

she trusts to deliver.

They are

still quite close?

Very close. To

0:30:260:30:30

the extent that Karen Bradley has

found it difficult in London to have

0:30:300:30:34

a profile of her own. She has, going

back to the David Cameron

0:30:340:30:42

Government, on Theresa May's side.

She signalled very early that she

0:30:420:30:45

would support her to the leadership.

She does not forget that after the

0:30:450:30:48

torrid time she's been through,

including Brexit, and the sense that

0:30:480:30:55

perhaps not everyone in her Cabinet

is her biggest fan. She is a

0:30:550:31:00

different, and I'm sure this is felt

on the ground in Northern Ireland, a

0:31:000:31:04

different character to James

Brokenshire. She is a different

0:31:040:31:08

kettle of fish as a politician.

People have noticed that she has a

0:31:080:31:14

different approach to James

Brokenshire, and he has been

0:31:140:31:16

criticised by many people from maybe

being a little bit hands off,

0:31:160:31:21

quieter than perhaps some people

would have liked, will she be

0:31:210:31:24

different?

I think she has a

different personality. She's not

0:31:240:31:27

particular the flashy, but she is

particularly warm. I think she does

0:31:270:31:31

well when she is out and about

talking to people in communities. I

0:31:310:31:35

think she is hidden away, culture,

media and sport, other than an epic

0:31:350:31:42

year is not the place you go to

quite public or share woes and

0:31:420:31:46

worries. I think she will prove a

good listener. What we need to know

0:31:460:31:51

is if she can step out of that

technocratic role that she has had

0:31:510:31:55

all of her career, junior minister

at the Home Office, accountant

0:31:550:31:59

before that. Then

Department-of-Culture-mac. Often

0:31:590:32:02

grinding through bits of media

legislation very different to come

0:32:020:32:10

into the situation that you are

talking about tonight, how reactive

0:32:100:32:13

and difficult that is and how far

away it seems to be able to restore

0:32:130:32:18

the best of that Good Friday

Agreement. Get the executive working

0:32:180:32:21

again on the grounds. She will not

come into thinking she can wave a

0:32:210:32:25

magic wand, but I have no doubt that

she has been putting together more

0:32:250:32:29

of a push once it was clear that

James Brokenshire would be going for

0:32:290:32:32

health reasons, it must be said. But

either way, I think likely at some

0:32:320:32:37

point there would be change.

Finally

and briefly, it is a confiscated

0:32:370:32:43

political landscape, you have

considered that yourself. I think

0:32:430:32:47

the previous interviewee

demonstrated that for anybody who

0:32:470:32:48

did not realise it already. She has

to to get to grips to that, maintain

0:32:480:32:53

a relationship of Dublin, leading to

the specifics of a complex Brexit,

0:32:530:32:57

does she have the skill to do all of

that and be the ringmaster that is

0:32:570:33:02

needed at the moment?

I will be

surprised that in three months' time

0:33:020:33:05

people say she has a golden touch

and every thing is back to the place

0:33:050:33:09

it should be. But what she does have

is that close reading skills, she is

0:33:090:33:13

not just any old accountant, she was

a very senior tax adviser at a big

0:33:130:33:19

accountancy company. She went from a

pretty ordinary background to

0:33:190:33:23

Imperial College. She is a very good

mathematician, or the problem on the

0:33:230:33:29

ground is political arithmetic

rather than figures on a page. But I

0:33:290:33:33

don't think she's scared of the

detail that some people might find

0:33:330:33:36

forbidding. Will she find the

personality to go along with this

0:33:360:33:40

difficult situation and make the

best of it?

We will find out in due

0:33:400:33:44

course. Thank you for joining us.

0:33:440:33:45

Now, new year and a new pairing

in Commentators' Corner -

0:33:450:33:48

though it's by no means their first

appearance on the programme.

0:33:480:33:51

Welcome to Allison Morris

and Sam McBride.

0:33:510:33:56

Thank you for joining us. We had an

interesting conversation at the top

0:33:560:34:00

of the programme, preventing anybody

expected it to go quite the way it

0:34:000:34:03

went. Where did you make of what was

said and the body language between

0:34:030:34:07

the representatives of Sinn Fein and

DUP tonight? Tour was startling and

0:34:070:34:12

unexpected. I hope it is healing.

I

cannot remember feeling as depressed

0:34:120:34:20

and disheartened as I had in this

last week. The events this last week

0:34:200:34:24

have been so damaging to the victims

the troubles, that just those from

0:34:240:34:28

Kingsmills, but also as John O'Dowd

pointed out it is another

0:34:280:34:33

anniversary. These people have been

kicked around like a political

0:34:330:34:36

football. The politicians would be

better helping them with their

0:34:360:34:42

inquest and fight to justice rather

than they would be to put each

0:34:420:34:45

other's eyes out, it was said. What

you saw from John O'Dowd

0:34:450:34:48

specifically was that I think Sinn

Fein have been really damaged and

0:34:480:34:51

hurt by what has happened. Not

because there wasn't Unionist

0:34:510:34:58

outrage at Barry McElduff comments,

that outrage from Republicans and

0:34:580:35:00

nationalists as well. He could see

that reflected in him it was a very

0:35:000:35:04

sombre interview and I heard those

words will go some way to healing

0:35:040:35:06

the damage of the last week?

It was

unexpectedly sober. I think we all

0:35:060:35:12

expected to see these two people

locking horns tonight and escalating

0:35:120:35:15

what has been a growing sense of

people heading to the changes over

0:35:150:35:20

the last year and the last week in

particular. I think that was a

0:35:200:35:23

deliberate starts tonight on both

the DUP and Sinn Fein to try and

0:35:230:35:29

de-escalated this. I think that does

not in any way mean they are moving

0:35:290:35:33

towards a deal, I think that is so

far off that it is much more

0:35:330:35:36

serious. It is about trying to get

this to a stage where it is beyond

0:35:360:35:41

politics and out in the community,

people really this really angry at

0:35:410:35:45

each other. I think there was a

sense tonight of a responsibility

0:35:450:35:52

from politicians, but this didn't

start with politicians larking

0:35:520:35:55

around. I think every body has a

sense that that got out of hand at

0:35:550:35:59

the very least.

It doesn't

necessarily mean we're inching to

0:35:590:36:04

the restoration of devolution, it is

not necessarily good news for Karen

0:36:040:36:08

Bradley who comes into a new role at

a very difficult time.

An extremely

0:36:080:36:12

difficult time. I think that telling

comment was from Edwin Poots at the

0:36:120:36:16

very end when he said, no matter

what happens from now this will be a

0:36:160:36:19

very difficult sale in my community.

I don't think unionists are doing a

0:36:190:36:24

deal at this time. We have had

polarising elections. These events

0:36:240:36:29

have shown just how far, and there

was a very real danger of that

0:36:290:36:33

spilling out and becoming nasty on

the streets. I think it was good

0:36:330:36:36

that both politicians took time to

try and diffuser. Karen Bradley, I

0:36:360:36:40

am sure she arrived on a very nasty

and foggy day, and that probably set

0:36:400:36:44

the mood for the rest of their

tenure, I would imagine.

If we do

0:36:440:36:48

not adapt to devolution in the

short-term, who knows what happens

0:36:480:36:52

in the long term. What does happen

in the short-term, direct rule

0:36:520:36:57

sooner rather than later?

Depends

who you speak to. It is clear that

0:36:570:37:00

that is what the DUP are itching for

at point. I understand why the

0:37:000:37:06

Republicans think they are not

serious, but the DUP at serious at

0:37:060:37:10

struggling to sell it to their

supporters.

Interesting stuff, thank

0:37:100:37:14

you. Welcome to the team.

0:37:140:37:17

That's it from The View

for this week.

0:37:170:37:19

Join me for Sunday Politics

at 11.35am here on BBC One.

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