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Tonight on The Wales Report: Council services in crisis. Is the | :00:09. | :00:12. | |
problem too little money and do councillors have the right | :00:12. | :00:16. | |
priorities? A turbulent week for the Lib Dems as the party in Wales | :00:16. | :00:20. | |
faces new challenges ahead. Nearly 30 years after the miners' | :00:20. | :00:24. | |
strike, we look at the drastic changes to trade unions in Wales. | :00:24. | :00:34. | |
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Good evening. It is good to be back. Welcome to our weekly take on the | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
issues that affect lives in all parts of Wales and the people | :00:41. | :00:46. | |
making the decisions. The past week has brought renewed protests | :00:46. | :00:50. | |
against planned cuts in council services and facilities. Local | :00:50. | :00:54. | |
authorities in Wales are trying to balance the books. The Wales Report | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
has found that the funding shortfall faced by Welsh councils | :00:57. | :01:01. | |
is higher than ever and the jaws of what to cut and what to save is | :01:01. | :01:07. | |
more difficult than ever. -- the choice. Helen Callaghan has been | :01:07. | :01:12. | |
witnessing the battle involving Wales's biggest local authority. | :01:12. | :01:18. | |
Right across Wales, in council chambers, in county and City Halls | :01:18. | :01:23. | |
like this one, a drama is being played out about your vital | :01:23. | :01:27. | |
services. Councillors are in deep discussion about which services to | :01:27. | :01:34. | |
cut, which to keep, and whether to put up council tax. We should not | :01:34. | :01:39. | |
have to give up the services and benefits that we rely on. It is | :01:39. | :01:42. | |
decision day for Cardiff Council's budget and it is not just the | :01:42. | :01:46. | |
councillors who have turned up for the meeting. While the tough | :01:46. | :01:51. | |
decisions are being made inside, outside the council taxpayers | :01:51. | :01:55. | |
themselves are making the politicians are aware as vocally as | :01:55. | :01:59. | |
they possibly can exactly which services they want to keep open and | :01:59. | :02:07. | |
why. We are trying to keep our riding school open. It has helped | :02:07. | :02:11. | |
me a lot to regain my strength. will not affect you at the end of | :02:11. | :02:16. | |
the day. It will affect us. understand that. A no, you don't, | :02:16. | :02:23. | |
or you would not be cutting it. want a pool on the side that has | :02:23. | :02:28. | |
been there since 1920. We have to be listened to. Whether or not they | :02:28. | :02:33. | |
pay any attention is up to them. The man at the centre of the storm | :02:34. | :02:39. | |
in Cardiff is head of finance, Councillor Russell good way. | :02:39. | :02:43. | |
Feelings are running high. Everybody has their own particular | :02:43. | :02:48. | |
cause to champion. How difficult is it when you are in there to make | :02:48. | :02:53. | |
these decisions? It is hugely difficult. You end up pleasing | :02:53. | :02:59. | |
nobody. We have a responsibility to set a balanced budget and if we | :02:59. | :03:06. | |
fail to do that today, then 18,000 people in this city will not be | :03:06. | :03:12. | |
happy on 15th April. People are very upset and there's not much I | :03:12. | :03:18. | |
can do. It is going to be a long day for Cardiff council. And for | :03:18. | :03:23. | |
the other authorities across Wales going through the same pain. In | :03:23. | :03:28. | |
total, our councils will receive some �4.4 billion from the Welsh | :03:28. | :03:32. | |
Government in the coming financial year. Although the money pot is | :03:32. | :03:36. | |
shrinking in real terms, councils still have to pay for everything | :03:36. | :03:41. | |
from schools to refuse collection, social services, public toilets and | :03:41. | :03:46. | |
leisure facilities. Councils can swell the coffers by putting up | :03:46. | :03:49. | |
council tax and this year those decisions are more politically | :03:49. | :03:54. | |
explosive than ever. In England, the Westminster Government are | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
rewarding councils for freezing council tax. That policy has | :03:58. | :04:03. | |
resulted in more money, at some �50 million coming to the Welsh | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
Government. But the Welsh Government is not offering similar | :04:08. | :04:14. | |
incentives for Welsh councils, which David Cameron has criticised. | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
This Government has made available money for council tax freeze, with | :04:18. | :04:21. | |
the consequence that the money is available in Wales for the council | :04:21. | :04:25. | |
tax freeze and people in Wales know who to blame if they council tax is | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
not frozen. But the Welsh Government say that the priority | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
here is to put the money towards creating jobs and boosting the | :04:32. | :04:36. | |
economy. They insisted is up to individual councils to decide what | :04:36. | :04:46. | |
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to do about council tax. Council tax is expected to go up on average | :04:53. | :04:57. | |
by 3% except Cardiff and Monmouthshire. One way or another, | :04:57. | :05:02. | |
councils have to balance the books. Looking at local authority figures, | :05:02. | :05:07. | |
we have been able to calculate that across Wales there is an estimated | :05:07. | :05:14. | |
shortfall of �128 million. There is a perfect storm around local | :05:14. | :05:19. | |
Government finance at present. Clearly it will be very, very | :05:19. | :05:26. | |
difficult for local councils to keep council tax increases low | :05:26. | :05:32. | |
while at the same time providing services at the level that people | :05:32. | :05:38. | |
expect. But in Cardiff, it is getting dark. Councillors are still | :05:38. | :05:47. | |
debating how to save some �22 million. Well, two hours in and | :05:47. | :05:51. | |
this is no ordinary full council meeting. The campaigners are all in | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
the public gallery and they are making their presence felt. | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
Sometimes they are applauding when petitions are read out but other | :05:58. | :06:08. | |
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times they are Hacker link as the debate goes on into the night. -- | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
heckling. It is good news for the swimming pool, which will stay open | :06:12. | :06:16. | |
for now. It has been a strong campaign and it reflects how people | :06:16. | :06:20. | |
are feeling about this. It will be great news for everybody, really. | :06:20. | :06:25. | |
It is the end of a long and pretty extraordinary day and night. Most | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
of the protesters have now gone home. Some were disappointed, | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
others have reason to be optimistic. After all the debate inside the | :06:33. | :06:36. | |
council chamber, the tough and contentious decisions have now been | :06:36. | :06:43. | |
made. Cardiff has signed off its budget, just as all of our councils | :06:43. | :06:48. | |
will have to do over the next few weeks. This year, cross wireless | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
services and jobs are under threat but in future many are asking | :06:52. | :07:02. | |
whether it should be the councils facing the final cut. -- across | :07:02. | :07:08. | |
Wales. With me is a councillor for manager, Peter Fox. You are one of | :07:08. | :07:12. | |
two councils telling people they do not need to pay more council tax in | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
this coming year. Why have you said that? We have made a commitment | :07:17. | :07:20. | |
that we would keep council tax to the minimum over the last two years, | :07:20. | :07:23. | |
and we are honouring that. We believe it is so difficult for | :07:24. | :07:27. | |
everybody in the community at the moment and it is important to play | :07:27. | :07:31. | |
our part in helping people through a difficult time. We cannot keep | :07:31. | :07:37. | |
his decision up for much longer but it was important for us. What | :07:37. | :07:42. | |
things will people be losing in terms of services? Or suffering, in | :07:42. | :07:47. | |
your opinion? You have seen the audit, so where will people see a | :07:47. | :07:51. | |
different? People might struggle to believe that they will not see a | :07:51. | :07:55. | |
great deal of difference in service provision. We are having to put | :07:55. | :07:57. | |
charging in for certain things that may not have been charged for | :07:57. | :08:02. | |
before. A examples? Charging for green waste collection, for | :08:02. | :08:07. | |
instance. We currently pick that up for free each week. We are thinking | :08:07. | :08:13. | |
of putting a small charge per bag of green waste, if you like, to | :08:13. | :08:18. | |
help maintain that service for the future. Other examples? We are | :08:18. | :08:27. | |
having to charge for pest control, which raises about �45,000 towards | :08:27. | :08:33. | |
a �4.5 million deficit this year. Do you think those are small items? | :08:33. | :08:38. | |
They seem to be. Potential car-park charge increases, which we have | :08:38. | :08:42. | |
withdrawn from. Those are the things that have stimulated the | :08:42. | :08:46. | |
most debate and controversy in the community. When you look at the | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
quality of services, what do you say to someone who looks at your | :08:51. | :08:55. | |
county and says, actually, the education service is not too hot at | :08:55. | :08:59. | |
the moment, is that an area where you are trying to save money with | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
children losing out? I can see that being raised at the moment, but I | :09:03. | :09:07. | |
can reassure everybody that we have invested heavily in education as a | :09:07. | :09:12. | |
key priority for Monmouthshire. We have some issues of improvement. We | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
have not got the answer for everything and we know that, but we | :09:16. | :09:20. | |
recognise there are ways to do things differently. All authorities | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
will have to do things differently in difficult times. We saw swimming | :09:24. | :09:31. | |
pools in Cardiff them, a riding school for disabled people, and | :09:31. | :09:34. | |
those things are so politically sensitive. Are you saying that in | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
the future in York County you are going to have to look at items of | :09:38. | :09:47. | |
that kind of value and the sensitivity? -- in your county? | :09:47. | :09:51. | |
are going to have to look at all of those services and perhaps persuade | :09:51. | :09:56. | |
people to deliver them for us. We also have financial statutory | :09:56. | :10:00. | |
services. You recognise that the elderly population is growing, your | :10:00. | :10:04. | |
social care bill is getting bigger, so if you are getting less money | :10:04. | :10:08. | |
and you still have to invest in priority areas, what you have got | :10:08. | :10:12. | |
left have to go much further. you plunder your reserves. Are you | :10:12. | :10:19. | |
doing that? No. We are using reserves in a prudent weight, to | :10:19. | :10:24. | |
use money to help us invest in different ways of doing things. | :10:24. | :10:31. | |
What are we talking about? �775,000 of reserves to invest in ideas to | :10:31. | :10:36. | |
try and close the gap. It is a lot of money. It is. The reality is | :10:36. | :10:41. | |
that if we do not invest in the future, these things will not magic | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
their way forward. It would be very easy for us to use reserves and | :10:45. | :10:51. | |
just block gaps, but council tax up, but if we want to provide | :10:51. | :10:54. | |
sustainable services and the long term, we need to rebuild local | :10:54. | :10:59. | |
Government, if you like, redefine it and do things in a different way. | :10:59. | :11:03. | |
That is the agenda we are on. of the spending cuts that the | :11:03. | :11:07. | |
Westminster Government has put into the system have not been felt yet. | :11:07. | :11:12. | |
They have not been delivered yet. If we look ahead, not just next | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
year, maybe four years down the line, how concerned are you about | :11:16. | :11:22. | |
the sustainability of services? am very concerned. The areas that | :11:22. | :11:29. | |
may not have the statutory element will take a bigger hit. Such as? | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
Well, those sorts of things that people value like leisure, | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
libraries, culture. Those things that add value to people's lives, | :11:37. | :11:40. | |
sadly if there is less money, they have to be delivered in a different | :11:40. | :11:48. | |
way. I am not planning cuts to those things in Monmouthshire, but | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
we have to look closely at how we can do things and preserve the bid | :11:52. | :11:58. | |
offer. But things will have to change, and that is a fat. -- a | :11:58. | :12:05. | |
fact. Becky. We could hear sighs of relief from | :12:05. | :12:08. | |
Lib Dem headquarters this week as the by-election in Eastleigh was | :12:08. | :12:14. | |
won by Nick Clegg's party. overcame the odds and won a | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
stunning victory. That victory was achieved, despite one of the most | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
turbulent weeks in the party's history. Nick Clegg himself was | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
under fire for the handling of the controversy surrounding Lord | :12:25. | :12:32. | |
Rennard, the former chief executive of the party, who has been accused | :12:32. | :12:35. | |
of inappropriate sexual conduct, which he has denied. The question | :12:35. | :12:39. | |
of what Nick Clegg may or may not have known is under debate, and the | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
party faces its own challenges in terms of cuts and welfare benefits | :12:43. | :12:47. | |
being imposed by the coalition in Westminster, with Lib Dem support | :12:47. | :12:53. | |
of course. How does that affect the party's standing with Welsh voters? | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
Joining is Kirsty Williams. Thank you for coming in. You have broken | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
all the rules of by-elections, haven't you? A party with a | :13:01. | :13:11. | |
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turbulent run-up to a by-election We were able to demonstrate that | :13:26. | :13:33. | |
our candidate was the best person. I could not say anything better. It | :13:33. | :13:38. | |
was a stunning victory against all the odds. The first time a party in | :13:38. | :13:43. | |
Government have been able to hold on to a marginal seat in a by- | :13:43. | :13:51. | |
election for 30 years. I am not taking anything away. UKIP did well | :13:51. | :13:56. | |
to come second. They clearly help due by taking walks away from the | :13:56. | :14:02. | |
Conservatives. The performance of UKIP is one of all parties will | :14:02. | :14:07. | |
have to reflect on. We have to be careful about making assumptions of | :14:07. | :14:12. | |
what will happen at a General Election. Undoubtedly the | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
Conservatives do have a problem with UKIP. All parties need to | :14:16. | :14:21. | |
respond to some of the messages, people coming out of the Poles were | :14:21. | :14:28. | |
explaining why they voted macro that way. They wanted to spend a | :14:28. | :14:38. | |
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message to all the main parties. Welfare changes, the bedroom tax, I | :14:38. | :14:43. | |
am just wondering if I was a Welsh Water asking what you wanted to do | :14:43. | :14:49. | |
about these things, would you say you were in favour of bedroom tax | :14:49. | :14:57. | |
on against it? The changes the Westminster Government are bringing | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
in is exactly the same system that the red Jubilee -- already works in | :15:01. | :15:08. | |
the private sector. We are changing its salt that deep social public | :15:08. | :15:13. | |
sector is the same. Undoubtedly there are some difficult cases. I | :15:13. | :15:19. | |
acknowledge that, I see it in my own postbag. That is why the | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
Government have increased the amount of money going to local | :15:23. | :15:30. | |
councils so they can respond to local needs. We need to make sure | :15:30. | :15:34. | |
the additional money that is coming to Welsh councils to help | :15:34. | :15:39. | |
individuals who for whatever reason cannot move or need to stay in the | :15:39. | :15:44. | |
properties they stay in, they are given assistance. We need to review | :15:44. | :15:49. | |
that to make sure that money is the right amount of money. If you | :15:49. | :15:55. | |
listen to some of the debates they will say it is not just a case of a | :15:55. | :16:00. | |
few people been adversely affected, it is more than that. What is the | :16:00. | :16:05. | |
kind of impression you are going to create if you go around campaigning | :16:05. | :16:11. | |
seeing broadly you think it is OK? We need to make sure the mitigating | :16:11. | :16:16. | |
money that has been sent to local authorities is the right amount. We | :16:16. | :16:22. | |
will have a timely tribute to reflect on that. We need to be | :16:22. | :16:25. | |
clear what the Westminster Government is doing for the people | :16:26. | :16:31. | |
of Wales. Tens of thousands of people in Wales will be paying no | :16:31. | :16:38. | |
income tax whatsoever from this April. We are helping hard-pressed, | :16:38. | :16:43. | |
hard working families in the lowest paid jobs, taking them out of | :16:43. | :16:49. | |
income tax altogether. There is a balance to be struck. We need to | :16:49. | :16:54. | |
make sure we create a strong economy and build a fairer society. | :16:54. | :17:01. | |
That is what we are using our influence to do at Westminster. | :17:01. | :17:07. | |
will see the measures coming up in the Budget in a couple of weeks. | :17:07. | :17:12. | |
You try in Wales to set out your own style as a party who have its | :17:13. | :17:20. | |
own specific discrete identity of its own. At Westminster there are | :17:20. | :17:25. | |
hard-hitting reforms, how do you in Wales got out campaigning seeing | :17:25. | :17:29. | |
actually we're still part of that routine. Away embracing those | :17:29. | :17:38. | |
reforms? How do you handle it? I do is be true to the principles | :17:38. | :17:43. | |
of Welsh Liberal Democrats. If there are things in London being | :17:43. | :17:48. | |
done that I do not agree with I am not scared to stand up and say I | :17:48. | :17:53. | |
think they are doing it wrong. some of the most controversial | :17:53. | :17:56. | |
things we have discussed today you said you are perfectly happy with | :17:56. | :18:02. | |
them. We have seen Tory members of the Government wanting to reduce | :18:02. | :18:12. | |
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regional p, something I have felt very strongly about the opposing. | :18:14. | :18:16. | |
Because the Liberal Democrats are part of a coalition Government we | :18:16. | :18:25. | |
have been able to stop that. I am not afraid to stand up and so say | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
when my colleagues are wrong. I am not afraid to use the influence I | :18:29. | :18:37. | |
have to try to change policy. about the new universal benefit? | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
think trying to create a system that does not trap people in | :18:41. | :18:46. | |
poverty but allows them the chance to move out of the system into the | :18:46. | :18:51. | |
world of work is the right thing to do. For too long we have had | :18:51. | :18:57. | |
generations of people trapped on benefits. We need to create a | :18:57. | :19:03. | |
strong economy so there are jobs for these people to go to. That is | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
what we need to do and what I and my colleagues at Westminster are | :19:07. | :19:13. | |
committed to doing. Thank you for coming in. A quick question, how | :19:13. | :19:21. | |
many of you are members of a trade union? Some 80% of Welsh workers | :19:21. | :19:27. | |
were union members in the heyday of heavy industry. Something | :19:27. | :19:32. | |
interesting happened last year Bucking the UK Wight trend, union | :19:32. | :19:37. | |
membership in Will increased, more specifically it increased among | :19:37. | :19:45. | |
women. What is trade-union activity in the modern Welsh economy? It is | :19:45. | :19:55. | |
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30 years since the miners' strike. Our reporter has more. Mrs Thatcher | :19:57. | :20:03. | |
was incredibly lucky with her enemies. Arthur Scargill was an | :20:03. | :20:11. | |
incompetent General. We are not going to intervene in the coal | :20:11. | :20:21. | |
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dispute. I for Tom Bahah for the National Union, I call on every | :20:22. | :20:29. | |
single working miner to stop work doing this dispute. This | :20:29. | :20:38. | |
documentary I made for BBC Wales in 2004 was to mark the 20th | :20:38. | :20:41. | |
anniversary of the year-long miners' strike which transformed | :20:41. | :20:45. | |
the industrial and political landscape of Britain. The | :20:45. | :20:50. | |
consequences of what I then described as as civil war continued | :20:50. | :20:55. | |
to reverberate in the wider trade union movement today, 30 years | :20:55. | :21:00. | |
after that titanic struggle. The question is, did the trade union | :21:01. | :21:06. | |
movement in Wales decline in parallel with the miners' union and | :21:06. | :21:12. | |
become something of a museum piece itself? In an attempt to answer | :21:12. | :21:17. | |
that question we brought together two men from opposite ends of the | :21:17. | :21:23. | |
political spectrum to reflect on what has been and assess the place | :21:23. | :21:30. | |
of trade unionism in today's wheels. Rod Richards, a former right-wing | :21:31. | :21:37. | |
MP supported Margaret Thatcher, a controversial figure who fell out | :21:38. | :21:45. | |
with his own party, a political rottweiler. Kim Howells, once the | :21:45. | :21:48. | |
darling of the left, a former Labour MP and Government minister, | :21:48. | :21:54. | |
he was the research officer with the miners' union in Wales at the | :21:54. | :22:04. | |
time of the strike. He is not averse to speaking his mind. It was | :22:04. | :22:14. | |
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not long before Auld rivalries surfaced once again. It was a one- | :22:14. | :22:22. | |
party State. I am usually the one who gets told off! Typical argy- | :22:22. | :22:27. | |
bargy from two veterans but then something surprising happened when | :22:27. | :22:32. | |
the conversation turned to considering the current place of | :22:32. | :22:38. | |
Unionism. You could hardly put a cigarette paper between them as | :22:38. | :22:43. | |
consensus broke out in the valleys. The car industry has been | :22:43. | :22:48. | |
transformed because there is a degree of co-operation that looks | :22:48. | :22:54. | |
first at innovating, creating better products. It is predicated | :22:54. | :22:59. | |
on corporation. The at his right. Without trade unions I fear there | :23:00. | :23:07. | |
will be a mentality that assumes it is all right to exploit. I believe | :23:07. | :23:12. | |
that trade unions are necessary. I would agree that there are some | :23:13. | :23:18. | |
employers who are very bad. Unless you have the Trades Union they can | :23:18. | :23:22. | |
face up to these people in terms of giving the right advice and going | :23:22. | :23:28. | |
to court, then people would be disadvantaged. I would not want to | :23:28. | :23:33. | |
see a society like that. However, when you have people like Bob Crow | :23:33. | :23:37. | |
who want to renationalise the railways, I certainly would not | :23:37. | :23:42. | |
want to see that. It is enough to make your head reel, trying to | :23:42. | :23:47. | |
reconcile the thought that two former political enemies have not - | :23:47. | :23:52. | |
- have suddenly found common political ground and become | :23:52. | :24:00. | |
political comrades. So, what is the future for the trades union | :24:00. | :24:05. | |
movement in Wales? The headquarters of the TUC is still here in Cardiff | :24:05. | :24:10. | |
but these days the represent a very different face to the world. Given | :24:10. | :24:15. | |
the devastating effects of the miners' strike it is perhaps | :24:16. | :24:20. | |
surprising to learn that the membership of unions in Wales is | :24:20. | :24:25. | |
actually on the up compared to other places in the UK. The | :24:25. | :24:30. | |
increase in membership is due in part to the prominence of the | :24:30. | :24:35. | |
public sector in Wales, it is also attributable to a residual | :24:35. | :24:42. | |
collective loyalty to our industrial past. Two policy | :24:42. | :24:47. | |
officers at the Wales d u c bear witness to our past influencing our | :24:47. | :24:54. | |
future. They are both from families with mining backgrounds and | :24:54. | :25:00. | |
committed to their roles in promoting trade unionism in Wales. | :25:00. | :25:05. | |
I think people are looking for I think people are looking for | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
protection against another UK Government that is deciding to turn | :25:09. | :25:17. | |
the screw on public sector workers. And low-paid private sector workers. | :25:17. | :25:25. | |
Is that how you see it? Absolutely. Union membership among female | :25:25. | :25:31. | |
employees in the Welsh workforce is higher than that for meals for the | :25:31. | :25:37. | |
10th successive year. In a perverse way the miners' strike has in part | :25:37. | :25:47. | |
been responsible for the empowerment of the Welsh man. -- | :25:47. | :25:56. | |
for males. My mother is an incredible Welsh women. She is a | :25:56. | :26:01. | |
fantastic mother as well as a fantastic colleague and work made. | :26:01. | :26:08. | |
She does a fantastic role in the community. It is empowering to see. | :26:08. | :26:13. | |
The pets have gone. The once powerful miners' union is no more | :26:13. | :26:18. | |
and the role of the trades union movement has changed in a way that | :26:18. | :26:24. | |
even old political adversities can find common ground to agree on. For | :26:24. | :26:31. | |
the future that is, as to the past, that is another story. Some things | :26:31. | :26:37. | |
just do not change. My greatest frustration was the idea that | :26:37. | :26:42. | |
trades unionists should see themselves as having this close | :26:42. | :26:52. | |
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symbiotic relationship with Government ministers. The debate | :26:52. | :26:58. | |
continues. That was David Williams and joining me in the studio is the | :26:58. | :27:03. | |
head of the PC s Union in Wales. There is a big debate about the | :27:04. | :27:11. | |
State of the unions in Wales, do you think it is healthy or not? | :27:11. | :27:15. | |
have 66% in the public sector but over 20% in the private sector | :27:15. | :27:19. | |
which is massively different thing comparison to other parts of the | :27:19. | :27:25. | |
country. Why do you think people in Wales are more keen to be members, | :27:25. | :27:32. | |
or feel they should be members of? I think we have a strong tradition | :27:32. | :27:36. | |
of trades unions in Wales and in the community. That is something | :27:36. | :27:46. | |
that has continued since we had big industry here. Are you confident of | :27:46. | :27:52. | |
the increasing number in Wales, that it is going to carry on or is | :27:52. | :27:57. | |
it just a blip, some kind of odd circumstances that have bucked the | :27:57. | :28:05. | |
trend? I would say that for the last five years we have done a bit | :28:05. | :28:11. | |
of research into this area. Every single time that the union I work | :28:11. | :28:16. | |
for and the membership I represent, actually increases every time there | :28:16. | :28:20. | |
is the industrial action. Membership does not decrease. | :28:20. | :28:26. | |
Bartok that is that at this moment in time people are feeling the bite. | :28:26. | :28:34. | |
People have faced pay freezes for a number of years while basic things | :28:34. | :28:39. | |
like gas and electricity are going up. Also the wider thing in terms | :28:39. | :28:48. | |
of their families not having access to things and unions. Given who you | :28:48. | :28:53. | |
are, your profile, you are a young woman, your background, what would | :28:53. | :28:58. | |
you say to young women in your position where union membership is | :28:58. | :29:03. | |
concerned? For many I imagine it is not a concept they would even have | :29:03. | :29:09. | |
considered. The numbers speak for themselves. There are a good | :29:09. | :29:15. | |
proportion of women in Wales we are in and out union. In the public | :29:15. | :29:21. | |
sector it tends to be higher among women than men. Our membership | :29:21. | :29:26. | |
among young people has increased an hour activity in the workplace has | :29:26. | :29:30. | |
done so. It is important for unions to be reflective of their | :29:31. | :29:35. | |
membership. It is important we do not just go down the traditional | :29:35. | :29:41. | |
white male sort of line, that we are genuinely reflective of our | :29:41. | :29:46. | |
overall membership as well which is extremely diverse. Thank you for | :29:46. | :29:53. |