14/05/2014 The Wales Report

Tonight, an audience with plenty of questions and a panel of politicians

who think they have the answers. What does Europe mean to you, to

Wales? Stay with us for a special debate. Welcome to a special edition

of Wales Report. There is a week to go until the European elections when

Wales will choose it for members of the European Parliament. The night,

we will hear from the lead candidate of the fine main parties. They try

to win your vote. There are other party standing of course and we will

hear from them later in the programme. Our audience tonight

represents a range of political views and many here have yet to

decide who to back next week. So candidates, this is your chance to

try to win those votes here and on the sofas at home. To kick off

tonight, a 30 second pitch from each candidate setting out their party's

views on Europe. I don't have a whistle but candidates, you have to

stick to time. So, taking the parties in alphabetical order, let's

start with Kay Swinburne from the Conservatives.

The Welsh Conservative manifesto is based on having achieved a stronger

economy at home, received renewed respect abroad and a promise to

deliver real change in Europe. Only the Conservatives can change that

relationship with Europe to deliver growth, jobs and financial

security. We will give the British people a say in an in-out referendum

by the end of 2012. Labour and the Liberal Democrats will not give you

it. Reform, renegotiation... That is it, time is up.

Thank you. Next is Labour's Derek Vaughan. We know 190,000 jobs in

Wales depend on trade with the rest of the youth. That European Union.

We'll will protect those jobs and look for opportunities to announce

that enhance the number of jobs in Wales. Having negotiated an extra

?2.1 billion of European structural friends over the next seven years,

we will work with others to make sure... The butter has gone. I will

have to cut you off there. Thanks. Next up is the Liberal

Democrats' Alec Dauncey. Being in Europe means stronger, richer and

more secure country in an insert in world. We have seen how fragile our

economy can be and we need to get step into making Europe work. We

have video the party in the UK that stood up against UKIP and the

Eurosceptic media. We have the clearest vision of a modern,

tolerant, progressive Wales that is in Britain and in Europe.

Thank you. Let's hear now from Plaid Cymru's Jill Evans. This election is

about who you can trust to put the needs, the hopes of the aspirations

of Wales first. Plaid Cymru is answerable only to the people of

Wales, we don't answer to London. In my 15 years in Parliament I have

always put Wales first when I have acted and voted in the

Parliamentary. You can trust Plaid Cymru to always do that.

Thank you. And now it's UKIP's turn and Nathan Gill.

Maybe ten to second is your chance to have your say on the European

Union. We have never been asked if we want to be part of this European

superstate that we're heading towards. We need to take back

control of our borders. We need to take back control of the lawmaking,

we know that 75% of laws are made in Brussels by unelected international

bureaucrats. It is time for us to take back control of our country.

They have made their pitches. You can join Internet's debate on social

media. Our questions tonight have been sent in by you the viewers and

our audience members here too. We've chosen the most popular themes and

the panellists have not seen them in advance. Our first question tonight

comes from David Nicholson. The European union started off as an

economic community to stop wars and hopefully stop wars in Europe. It

has moved onto a political union. Isn't it time for a referendum so

the British people can have a say and what sort of Europe they want to

be part of not be part. Particularly since Scotland be rooting for

independence, that may be a hawk to hang a referendum on if Scotland

leaves Britain. You want a referendum? You wanted ASAP? Yes.

Derek Vaughan. The European Union was formed after the Second World

War to stop the great powers of Europe going to war again. It was

always the case that the intended to use economic means for political

ends. To draw the economies of Europe closer and closer and closer

together so we never went to war again. Would you give a referendum?

You are right on that. We have clarified our position. The Labour

Party is saying is that is further transfer of powers from any member

state to the European Union, we would have an in-out referendum. So

not now? Kay Swinburne. That is a historic chance to renegotiate our

chance in the EU right now. Following the Eurozone crisis we

have had an opportunity to see things need to change. At the member

states agree with this. Reform is about to happen. We need to do that

with the renegotiation as well and we think we can deliver it. We

definitely need to have a referendum. It has been 40 years and

none of us on the panel had a vote. But David Cameron has said we will

get a referendum even if he doesn't renegotiate. We need a referendum by

the end of 2017 and he has promised that. If we have a Conservative

government, we will have one. If we don't, it'll be down to other

parties. The first thing is, in government at the moment, a law has

been passed to say that there will be a referendum if there is any

further transfer of powers to Europe. The time for that is not

now. We have seen how vulnerable an economy can be to shocks, club why

not now? The Eurozone is in reform. It is not the right moment. It would

be dangerous to the economy. Jill Evans. It is in Wales's insisted the

part of the EU. All the statistics show that. It'll help as the build

our economy, to strengthen it so we can stand on our own two feet. What

concerns me is that the whole discussion about the referendum now

has been going on for so long, that is creating uncertainty which will

damage investment. So isn't the only way to move on to have one? What is

needed is a lock on Wales 's future in the EU. We haven't had the debate

on Wales and allow the people of Wales to decide. We haven't scored

for a referendum that he need to be clear, if that is going to be a

referendum it should be held sooner rather than later. Nathan Gill. We

deserve a referendum, we can use this election next week as a

referendum, if you want to. We have been offered it for years and years.

We know it isn't going to happen. 2017, Twenty20, whatever. Labour is

saying if there is renegotiation of further powers, the Lisbon Treaty

has ratcheted clauses in it. They will be no further powers. The

Labour Party will not give you a referendum. The gentleman down here

in the suit. Powers are being transferred all the time. That isn't

going to be another Maastricht Treaty. It is deceitful saying we

will have to wait for this treaty. I don't agree. I do want a referendum

now. How about you? All the main parties say we need to stay in

Europe but we need to reform. What are three farmers not on the table,

what will you say then? -- what if the form is not on the table. Angela

Merkel addressed both houses of parliament and told them they will

be no reform. You can't reform if you are outside of the European

Union. Let's go to the lady in the second row. The decisions made in

Europe affect us because we are part of Europe. We don't need to be in

the European Union that we are part of Europe. Those decisions, we need

to be part. We need to get those by stepping out of Europe will not help

us. Let's go to the lady in the

background, in the white jumper. If we pull out of Europe would we pull

out of the European laws as a whole? Let's ask Kay Swinburne. If

we pull out of Europe and we want to access the single market who will

have to conform to all of the rules Europe make. There is a real danger

here that when we talk about in-out, we need to know what we are voting

in-out about. Those debates will be fully formed by 2017 and people will

be no -- we'll know what they are voting. There are things that aren't

within the EU mandate. First, the gentleman in the second back row. I

think it is false to say that not straining Europe would mean less

bureaucracy. I think it to mean more. If you need to trade with

those countries you would have to conform to their rules so it is

better to be inside. Sometimes you go on about 4.2 million jobs

depending on tariff free trade. If we were not in the EU, if our

exported that exporters wanted to exported the other part of Europe,

they would have to conform to EU rules. 100% of British businesses

have to comply with ridiculous rules. The Federation of Small

Businessesd say it is costing small businesses ?124 billion a year. It

talks about being a trade union and a political union, trade has to be

political, the political union is the UK, it is how I know I can trade

with Carlisle and Carrickfergus. Why would anybody in Germany want to

trade with me if we pulled out of the EU? We trade with America, New

Zealand, China. I am a lawyer, a lot of lawyers make a lot of money out

of having special arrangements. You are a brave man! We should not have

27 different systems. Our jobs trade -- depend on trade with EEF. It is

ridiculous. One other point is, we are having this discussion about a

referendum in the UK context, and ignoring what might happen in

Scotland in September, and what will have to happen in Europe is a

wholesale change in terms of our membership and where Wales is. If

Scotland becomes independent, we have to make sure that we are not

pushed to the sidelines. We are in a trading group where we have some

political control over the bureaucracy, we get stuck in,

political control over the have got less than 10%... We send

any peace to Brussels, ministers to the Council of ministers. We get

stuck in and we have an influence on the regulations, instead of being

like Norway, on the outside, following the rules with nobody at

the table will stop on a referendum, why not give people the choice? You

always championed referenda, why not? It is built into law, there

will be a referendum. It would be good if we had one, because we need

to reach a conclusion I agree. I think we will win it. The three of

you on the left have cancelled the question, would Plaid Cymru and UKIP

have danced around it. We'll do provide a referendum? You do not

have the power to, even if you do get in. Why are you pretending that

you will? White are you pretending that you care when you cannot even

offer it anyway? Do you think that the political parties now would be

talking about immigration and Europe without the fact that UKIP has been

rising in the polls? We have been banking the drum about this. We are

forcing the agenda, we do not even have any MPs yet. We want a

referendum immediately, if the people say no, so be it, but we

trust your judgement. We want the people of Wales to decide their

future. It is a UK government that would call a referendum, but what I

want is an assurance that that debate in Wales would be on the

benefits or otherwise to Wales, where Wales' future lies within the

EU or outside it. What if the people in Wales vote differently from the

people in England? We need to see clearly what the people of Wales

want. The moment, it is a UK vote. Briefly, I want to go back to the

audience. About the European elections and a referendum, what we

are voting next week is for people to go to Brussels to represent Wales

to the best of their ability. The lady in the front row. European

money is a lifeline to some of the most formal ball people in Wales,

what are your thoughts about whether a referendum would put some of those

people at risk? Can we get a microphone to this gentleman? I am

fairly relaxed about whether we have a referendum or not, but the way

that the debate is going, it is extremely England centric, and UKIP

centric, because of the London media. That would be damaging if a

referendum were to be held. In that sense, it should not be held at the

moment, because it would not be fair. Almost all of the media

attention has been negative to UKIP, but we are still rising in the

polls. I do not know what you are reading! If UKIP will let me get a

word in edgeways! There is one thing a referendum cannot do, alter the

facts of geography. We are always going to be part of Europe. We

cannot move away from Europe, this is where we are. It is so important

that we remain part of this large market right on our doorstep, for

the benefit of so many working people here in Wales. Can we get a

microphone to the lady in the front? As somebody who was in a

position to have a say on our relationship in Europe back in 1975,

what are the party is doing to ensure that the next generation get

their say over Europe, listening to the panel, it is only the

Conservatives who are promising that they will renegotiate and they will

give us a referendum. I voted them for the conservative, as I always

have. On the referendum, to go in? Yes. In terms of the referendum, it

is critical we have a say, that people get trusted with that. It is

automatically down to you, the people of Wales and the UK, to

decide whether we are in or out, but I will be negotiating hard to make

sure that the future EU that we vote on will reflect the type of EU that

generates jobs for us here in Wales, across the UK, and financial

security for us and in other countries across the EU. There is a

lot of scope for renegotiation, we do it on each piece of legislation.

The three of us here who have been there for the last five years have

helped to do things like reformed the common fisheries policy, we have

delivered a cut in red tape, there are things that we have done. I am

proud of these things, leading a cut in red tape and bureaucracy in

Brussels. We can renegotiate. Let's move to our second question, which

comes from Laura Murton. If we did vote to leave the EU, given the

level of EU funding that we benefit from, how would we cope without the

access to the grants and funding? If you facts. Wales has received 3.5

billion since 2000, and is set to receive 2 billion in the third block

of money. You would get rid of all that money, Nathan. No, there is no

such thing as EU money. It is not rocket science, it does not exist,

it is our money which has been sent to Brussels, they have creamed off

the lion 's share and have given us some of it back. Are you saying that

if we left Europe, Wales would still get that 2 billion from a UK

government? Absolutely. They would have more money, because we are

spending ?55 million every day on Brussels, we are getting a small

fraction back. We would defend and protect the people of Wales and make

sure they did not lose out by us leaving the EU. In the whole time

that I have been in the European Parliament, we have had to fight

against the UK government to get this funding for Wales, because our

economy is weak because the UK has never had a proper regional policy.

Wales is underfunded, we know that. I remember a meeting with myself and

my colleague, we saw the commission in Brussels in 2003 to show that the

UK was taking the money that should have been coming to Wales. This

man's party has been spending that money, the Labour Party. Let me read

you what the First Minister said. This is a once in a generation

opportunity to transform our economy and make a major difference to the

lives of people in West Wales and the valleys. Have you done that? We

have to go shake the money, it was myself and the Welsh government who

negotiated an extra ?400 million. This money is vital. I go to any

community in almost any part of Wales and you see large projects,

childcare facilities... But we still qualify for the money, which proves

they have not been transformed. We are starting to see the effect. The

Welsh unemployment rate is the same as the UK's, when did that happen

last? Youth unemployment in Wales is lower than the rest of the UK. We

use European funding to fund jobs in Wales, 12,000 opportunities for

young people. This despite this money, Wales is still one of the

poorest monies -- areas of Europe. Why do our farmers have to be

subsidised? They want a fair price for their produce and to have a

proper business. We have been talking about the big issues, I am

curious to see what the comment Neds have delivered in terms of tangible

muscles. -- what the comment Neds. Over the past five years, I am

curious to what they have been able to do for Welsh companies,

industry, academic institutions, in terms of them helping to gain access

to the European funding, the tangible results. A human to go,

there was going to be a cut, ?400 million, we negotiated with the UK

government and we have increased it. We will get an increase of ?150

million. We have turned it around by ?550 million, extra to be spent on

projects in Wales over the next seven years. How many politicians

and say they have achieved that? Not many. Your party have been in charge

for a short period in the assembly, as it been spent all wisely? The

first round could have been spent better, a lot of people recognise

that. It has to be spent in a way that has a lasting effect. Wales is

a net beneficiary if you include the agricultural funding. It is partly

because we do not raise as much taxes, but a lot of money throws --

flows in through a variety of sources. The problem with the UKIP

mind, there is no road map. It is easy to say we will leave, but the

model that we would leave to and how the money would be spent and how

much money would come to Wales and by what means, it is not something

you can promise. Look at the state of Greece, Italy, Portugal, Spain,

we are all basket cases, and they are in this wonderful union that you

love so much. Where are the jobs? Look at the unemployment in the

Eurozone. We have the jobs. If I can adjust the original question of the

structural funds and other media funding, or to mentally, there are

lots of jobs that can be created using this money. It has been a

shame that the money has not generated economic benefit to date,

and with the first ministers have said it could have been spent

better. Companies generate jobs, we have to trust our small and

medium-sized companies to have that money to make sure that they can use

their expertise to generate jobs and economic growth. That is where I

would put the money, and it can happen. The funds are there, we

dated use them wisely. What have I done to make a difference? I have

cut red tape for small difference -- for small businesses, I have fought

for more money in the research budget for Welsh universities, and I

have been credited with over four region 40 jobs for a financial

services firm in North Wales which only came here because I persuaded

them to do so -- 440 jobs. We are not trusted with funds, because the

people making the decision cannot risk their reputation. This funding

has to be used to look at the strategy, what do we want the Wales

we want to look like in 2020? You think it is wasted? What industries

are we going to work in across Europe? That is really essential

that is really essential matters by Plaid Cymru is calling on businesses

in Wales to take the lead in deciding whether funding is spent

from now on. We need to create the jobs and one of the things I have

worked on in Parliament in recent months as in changing the public

trick you and legislation. We only give half of our public contracts in

Wales to Welsh companies. If we put that up to 75%... It is not, it is

not. I learned give all of their contracts the Irish companies. You

don't know the rules. They are not breaking the rules. Let's go to the

gentleman over there. Why is it Wales have to go there with a

begging bowl for the third time? That is the point I made to Derek

Vaughan. There is a consensus in the first round we did not spend the

money on projects which we should have. We funded 3000 small projects

and did not have the impact. This time the offending 300 and lessons

will be learned the next time. Over time, I am hoping the many we are

spending will have this economic benefit. But we are poorer relations

in Europe. We're going to go for a fourth begging bowl. Look at hers

compared with other countries. You keep saying Wales is doing well,

we're not doing well. How would you spend it? I would spend it in

industry. Getting industries working together. They are just talking, it

is just rhetoric. They don't trust the people of the country to vote.

If we were out we would have two invest cash and rely on the UK

Government. We would not be any better. Vote for a better British

government, I would say to that. I have worked for sector groups. We

have started thousands of businesses. It did start this is up

-- thousands of businesses. Those are the kind of enterprise

businesses we need. Many on the panel and in the audience, some of

you have mentioned agriculture. There is a supplementary question

specifically on agriculture. I wanted to ask, do you think this CAP

reform has been a retrograde step and has done nothing to change the

competitiveness for farmers? The CAP reform is a journey, it is gradually

becoming greener. It is gradually creating the opportunity for

environmental benefits to be paid for for farmers. The gradual shift

from protection payments we had in the past towards paying farmers to

be on the land with the single farm payment is moving in the right

direction. It should be devolved. The actual implementation of it to

the UK and to Wales. That is not something you talk about in terms of

the European Parliament does. That is the right direction of travel.

With 9 billion people to feed by 2015, do we need to be concentrating

away from food production and more on the environment? Jill Evans on

that. I think we recognise the central value of foods production

and the central value of agriculture to our economy in Wales. I think

they were part of the CAP reform that were good and bad. We

negotiated in the interests of Welsh farmers, for instance, the

transition period would be longer to help people to adjust. I think the

problem is in Wales, we don't have a government that does recognise the

value of agriculture and farming to our local communities, to our

economy and to food production and to fighting climate change. In the

future, as you say, that is going to become more important. You mean a

Labour government here? I save the Labour government in Wales. Derek

Vaughan, a bit controversial in giving the maximum from direct

payments. When we talk about CAP, we have to remember waiters put in

place. First of all, it was to stop food shortages. It was to protect

the environment. It was to sustain rural communities. It was to provide

income for farmers but there has two be looking after the low

communities. We have got to sort these things out. Bruno communities

or the farmers? They are being hit in the pocket. -- Bruno communities.

The CAP reform was not a reform. For the first time, the European

Parliament had a joint say and I think many of the French and German

politicians really did fear their markets in terms of their farming

communities and protected the producer organisations. It has

become less market focused. We will fight very hard and my government is

fighting hard for a three-year reform committee reviews we get that

reform that was missed time round. We need to make sure the end of the

milk quotas was a good start but there is a lot more market related

reform the farmers and welcoming. I spent the morning in the

Monmouthshire market. I have had a lot of discussion this morning.

Nathan Gill on this question. They are trying to fight one size to fit

all. Europe is very diverse. We have added low grounds and the wet

grounds of Scotland. It is just ridiculous. Please tell me what is

wrong with a springing back the power and the ability to create the

funding for our farmers here in Britain based on what British

farmers actually do. Thank you for that. Let's move on to our next

question. Do you believe parties like UKIP and Britain First and

masking the research agenda by exaggerating fears of immigration?

Just make it clear, you picked up on the point of this morning of one of

your prominent party members resigning. Making, is the direction

of the party going is terrifying her stop it because it is a direct

question, let's go straight to Nathan Gill. The media have been

trying to say because certain individuals within our party have

said racist things we are a racist party. If I was to use the same

logic, you are a racist because Jeremy Clarkson said the end word.

All BBC employee eyes must be racist. That is stupid. It is

ridiculous. The point here is, bad apples you say as a party but this

is a rising star according to Nigel Farage. I have never met her. So you

are dismissing her? The reality is she is entitled to her views. Nine

days before a very important election she has chosen to leave

when quite frankly just a few weeks before she is on videos emphasising

UKIP's immigration policy. So you are saying she is another bad

apple? I have no idea what her intentions are. She has her agenda.

Let's move on... She said something about one of the posters, saying it

was racist. All of the other parties have joined together to attack UKIP.

The leader of the cartel was on Newsnight... Let's move on to the

broader point of immigration. We have made the point. Do you think

there is to much immigration into Wales? I think the poster we are

talking about, sorry, we do need to talk about it, implying they would

be millions coming in for our jobs was so ridiculous you could only

interpreted as scaremongering. People want to know that immigration

needs to be managed. People... Would you put a cap on its? The way you

manage a is if the European... We are electing people to go to the

parliament there. Any cash at all and is it opened doors to

everybody? If we have another country joining we have to manage

the entry of the new country. This scaremongering has an ASCII edge to

it. Let's start with the gentleman in the back. Elizabeth runs between

UKIP and Jeremy Clarkson because UKIP is more and more people. Every

time a closet racist falls out of his closet your party says it is

just one or two people. I agree with this gentleman. It is not an

individual act, it is a common agenda. You can see the posters and

leaflets. It is racist. You are making the European election you and

us. That you and them. This is just a racist agenda. It is the

cleverest, racist party considering... The British public is

more intelligent to expose your agenda. It is ridiculous. Your

leaflets are distributed by Eastern European people in different parts

of Cardiff. They are part of their society. You can no longer demonise

them more and more with these posters and leaflets. We have got

the least racist immigration policy of any party. All the other

parties, they discriminate against people coming in from India, New

Zealand, Canada and America regards the have opened the door to Eastern

European people. Is your language inflammatory? It is exactly what

they have done. I was in Merthyr Tydfil today and they were people

there telling as children can't find work. Can I ask you about today's

figures on immigration? 4.5 million people in this country who are

working and foreign-born. A million of our youth are unemployed. Where

is the sense in that? As a party you predicted the doors would be flung

open and lows of the variance and Romanians would come in. Only a

quarter came in. The prediction was wrong. 20,000 people came in when

nine months of that period there were restricted. They predicted

50,000 a year. When you are talking about three months, 20,000 came in.

But these people were working. Derek Vaughan. Not everyone in UKIP is

racist. I would say the views expressed are not just their views

expressed by people at the bottom of the party. We have seen comments by

Godfrey Bloom. We have another UKIP MEPs saying Muslim communities in

the UK should sign a pledge. You go onto Twitter or Facebook and seen

the really awful comments. Let's address to the big concerns. One is

benefits. When you look at the figures, it is a tiny, tiny

percentage of EU migrants who come to the UK. When you go further into

the figures come EU migrants have put in 34% more into the UK economy

than the takeout. They pay 34% more in taxes than claim benefits. One in

seven businesses in the UK are started by a migrants. Immigration

has benefited the UK economically. Others would say they can here and

take jobs. I will be focusing -- are we focusing on the wrong people? If

companies can indicate -- under Cats, those are the people we should

be targeting. Let's have new restriction on agency workers. Let's

target real people, the rogue employers. When you have been in

power and all of the four main parties have been in power, you have

not done anything about it, it has all gone on under your watch. Now

you say, give me more time to rearrange it again. You cannot have

it both ways. The lady with the scarf. I appreciate that you say it

is a minority of UKIP candidates who have made inappropriate comments,

but as a political party, you are accountable for your members.

Secondly, the attempt by some parties to reduce the discussion of

Europe down to a single issue, immigration, is reductive and

unhelpful. Europe brings massive benefits, even more benefits to

Wales, and we need to talk about the wider issues, rather than

scaremonger. David Cameron has said he will get

the cap down, it is still realistic to get it down into the tens of

thousands. This is immigration as a whole. It is immigration from all

countries. We have reduced it by a third since we took over in 2010. EU

movement happens both ways. We have a large number of people who work

across the EU from the UK. We have one of the most mobile workforces,

especially within the professional services, that travel across to do

their daily work. We have the need for stronger rules on new entrant

countries. We have an opportunity to work with our partners to make sure

that happens. We were not the only member state who had a large

migration of people to work in our country when the new countries

joined. Germany have had a larger proportion of movement than we have.

We have to work with people to make sure there are stronger rules on new

countries, that those who have a weaker economy have different rules

for them to transition into the free movement. Free movement of people to

work is something I support as opposed to free movement to claim,

and that has been stopped. As a party, you want more doctors to come

in, you want nurses, you are appealing for more immigration. We

need them, we have 1000 fewer doctors per head in Wales than they

do in England. There is concern about migration, it is based on the

fear that has been created, it is not based on the evidence. Younger

people come to work in Wales. Any cap? It is about communities in

Wales, there are groups all over campaigning against local government

plans because councils want to build thousands of new houses not based on

local need. That is a real issue. There was a referendum recently. No

cap at all, the more, the better? There is no evidence that migration

has a different effect on our economy or communities, and while

that is the case, no. Let's go to the audience. One of my concerns is

that the sensationalist language used by UKIP to cover their

frightening xenophobic agenda, the candidate here branded half of

Europe as basket cases, it has... You said basket cases. Could you let

me finish? It has distracted the argument of this whole election

process and made it very UKIP centric. To the other candidates,

does that worry too? The gentleman here. It is good to hear some common

sense from the majority of the panel. If you look at immigration,

it does not have any negative effects on Wales, it is beneficial

on the whole for the UK economy. If you look at European funding, it is

beneficial for Wales, if you look at the growing trade and export for

Wales, it is beneficial. It is a right wing media that would rather

throw up smoke and mirrors, debate about a referendum and immigration,

let's address the real issues, there is a systemic failure. There is no

doubt that immigration, Europe, it is a big concern and at the top of

the agenda of so many people in this country. We need a referendum, but

we need the facts to be properly put across, we do not want

newspapers... We want a referendum on Europe. My question to the Labour

candidate, why would you deny the people of Britain in this society a

vote? We seem to have forgotten that Wales was developed largely through

migration, from other parts of this country and from other countries.

Around the 1900, 2000 Spanish people were living here, people were

concerned they were taking jobs, speaking Spanish, but today, those

families are integrated, doesn't the panel think that is what will happen

to the newly arrived people now? What the gentleman said about people

being concerned, there is another concern. Many of us know EU

migrants, many of us have family members who have retired to Spain or

whatever, EU migration is going on all the time, it is enriching to

lots of people. Have none of you had somebody who is an EU migrant who

has received one of these leaflets and started to think what is going

on? We could go on, but thank you, we will leave the topic. There are

other parties taking part in this election, so let's hear from them

now, again in alphabetical order. We are standing for one reason only,

to highlight the fact that the British people are going to be a

minority in their own country within a few short decades. No other

political party is talking or mentioning this issue whatsoever. It

is paramount, it supersedes the other political issues, we are going

to be a minority, we are standing in Scotland and Wales occurs we want to

put this across to the British people and to use this opportunity

and platform to inform them of this horrible future. The reason you

should vote for us in this election is we will take Britain out of the

European Union. We will not ask for a referendum, we will just say we

are pulling out, because we are in there or unlawfully anyway. We will

ban the burqa. It is offensive, the majority of Britain do not want

them, but we are told we have to accept them. We will not accept

them, we will provide British jobs for British workers are fair

treatment for animals, we will deal with how well slaughter of animals,

we will preserve the identity of the indigenous population of this land,

and we will. Immigration. -- we will stop immigration. We will rebuild

the country and get back to the infrastructure we need. You have

heard fine talk from the other parties, but no fine action. Only we

have the strength and courage to tackle the most pressing needs of

our generation, climate change, the corporate takeover of democracy, the

rights of women. We are part of the fourth-largest group in the European

Parliament, the Tories of faith. With us, you get permanent lower

fuel bills, positive action against climate change and action on

equality. When people hear about our policies, ringing railways back into

public hands, turning the minimum wage into a living wage, they vote

for us. No to EU, just to workers' writes, the EU is an anti-democratic

big business club, the power does not lie with this farce of a

European Parliament, it lies with the unelected commission in

Brussels, and with the unaccountable European Central Bank in Frankfurt,

who, with the IMF, are enforcing these disastrous austerity and

privatisation policies across the EU. They are making ordinary people

pay the price for bailing out the bankers who caused the financial

crash in the first place. Then, we have a series of disastrous

decisions from the European Court of Justice, which have undermined

people's terms and conditions and trade union agreements at work. We

oppose the EU very much from the left. In this election, we are the

only party which is both opposing the EU free-market privatisation and

austerity genders and which is calling for Britain's immediate

withdrawal from the EU. The EU has undermined and sought to replace our

democracy and has dictated policies that have led to mass unemployment.

Other parties will carry on the EU's austerity agenda. Only we are

committed to bringing prosperity to communities across Wales. Central to

doing this is investing in the jobs and public services needed to meet

the requirements of the people of Wales. In or out of Europe. Matter,

but we are looking for is a real change, not the kind of change that

puts a different set of leaders in terms of the system, it is a system

ruled by money and profit, and it causes massive insecurity, pitting

people against each other, and bringing gross inequality. We stand

for the kind of change that in Wales, Europe and the world calls

upon people to opt for a free access to society without money or wages,

based on democratic cooperation, it uses our resources rationally to

feed, clothes, how's and give a decent secure life to everyone. It

is not a utopia, it is a tangible prospect, and more and more people

are seeing that. The other parties standing in this election.

The next question, from Jonathan Kirkup. People are confused about

who MEPs are and what they do. What are you doing? You have been in

Brussels and Strasbourg for 15 years, what do you do? I am not

surprised by what you say, because everybody would agree that we go

around the country and people do not know how the Neds function within

the European Union. That is despite having a website, we have a DVD of a

week in the life of a MEP, but there is not enough attention given to it

in the media. What do you do? When I was first elected, there was a

full-time BBC Wales reporter, we got a lot of coverage about how those

issues affected Wales. I would be willing to make myself available

every week. Tell us, is it plenary sessions? The imagery of politicians

travelling a lot, building up the air miles, what do you do? There is

plenty of material that could be used to show what we do, the

debates, and how it affects Wales. We can indicate with different

organisations, schools, colleges send groups over. What do you do? We

legislate. We are far more important than we ever were pre-Lisbon. We

were told the Lisbon Treaty did not matter, but it made a huge

difference, we are now elected to co-legislate, we amend legislation

to make sure it represents what works in a proportionate way for

Wales and the UK. Financial services was my area of expertise before I

went to Parliament, so I have worked on the Eurozone crisis and on the

financial services reform. That is what I have spent five years doing.

We have to get everybody in. We are there Monday to Thursday, but when

we come back on a Friday, Saturday and, sometimes, Sunday, we are

travelling Wales, we are meeting organisations, we need a huge out of

people, but it is difficult to get around Wales on your own, we are

doing our best, we would like more help from the BDO and other

organisations. Why do you want to be an NEP? It makes a difference. If

you have got a pothole in the street, you complain about it. If

the lorries that drive along those roads crossing borders are not safe

for cyclists and pedestrians, it is not quite so clear in your mind, but

it is desperately important, it can have tragic consequences. We have

got three MEPs here, listening to their XP want to join them, because

they are getting stuck into making the EU work, and that is what the

job is. This election is about European issues. You want to abolish

the institution? Absolutely. Do research yourselves. To not just

listen to them. Find out for yourselves.

The third best performing British two is a UKIP two. The commissioners

make the rules, and watch how they vote, like that, nonstop. Nigel

Farage's record is better than the other leaders. I would like to see

UKIP come up with a policy that benefits Wales. What legislation

have you made for the benefit of Wales? That you have enacted? We

could go on. Our time is up, thank you to the panel. That is it, thank

you to the panel and to the audience for a very lively hour. A full list

of the parties and candidates standing next week is available

online, you can go to the website. That is it for this week, let us

know what you think about the issues raised tonight or anything else, you

can e-mail us. You can join in the debate on social media. Huw Edwards

is back next Wednesday. Until then, thank you for watching. Good night.