14/05/2014 The Wales Report


With just a week to go before the European elections, Bethan Rhys Roberts chairs a special debate as the main candidates talk about the issues that matter to voters in Wales.

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Tonight, an audience with plenty of questions and a panel of politicians


who think they have the answers. What does Europe mean to you, to


Wales? Stay with us for a special debate. Welcome to a special edition


of Wales Report. There is a week to go until the European elections when


Wales will choose it for members of the European Parliament. The night,


we will hear from the lead candidate of the fine main parties. They try


to win your vote. There are other party standing of course and we will


hear from them later in the programme. Our audience tonight


represents a range of political views and many here have yet to


decide who to back next week. So candidates, this is your chance to


try to win those votes here and on the sofas at home. To kick off


tonight, a 30 second pitch from each candidate setting out their party's


views on Europe. I don't have a whistle but candidates, you have to


stick to time. So, taking the parties in alphabetical order, let's


start with Kay Swinburne from the Conservatives.


The Welsh Conservative manifesto is based on having achieved a stronger


economy at home, received renewed respect abroad and a promise to


deliver real change in Europe. Only the Conservatives can change that


relationship with Europe to deliver growth, jobs and financial


security. We will give the British people a say in an in-out referendum


by the end of 2012. Labour and the Liberal Democrats will not give you


it. Reform, renegotiation... That is it, time is up.


Thank you. Next is Labour's Derek Vaughan. We know 190,000 jobs in


Wales depend on trade with the rest of the youth. That European Union.


We'll will protect those jobs and look for opportunities to announce


that enhance the number of jobs in Wales. Having negotiated an extra


?2.1 billion of European structural friends over the next seven years,


we will work with others to make sure... The butter has gone. I will


have to cut you off there. Thanks. Next up is the Liberal


Democrats' Alec Dauncey. Being in Europe means stronger, richer and


more secure country in an insert in world. We have seen how fragile our


economy can be and we need to get step into making Europe work. We


have video the party in the UK that stood up against UKIP and the


Eurosceptic media. We have the clearest vision of a modern,


tolerant, progressive Wales that is in Britain and in Europe.


Thank you. Let's hear now from Plaid Cymru's Jill Evans. This election is


about who you can trust to put the needs, the hopes of the aspirations


of Wales first. Plaid Cymru is answerable only to the people of


Wales, we don't answer to London. In my 15 years in Parliament I have


always put Wales first when I have acted and voted in the


Parliamentary. You can trust Plaid Cymru to always do that.


Thank you. And now it's UKIP's turn and Nathan Gill.


Maybe ten to second is your chance to have your say on the European


Union. We have never been asked if we want to be part of this European


superstate that we're heading towards. We need to take back


control of our borders. We need to take back control of the lawmaking,


we know that 75% of laws are made in Brussels by unelected international


bureaucrats. It is time for us to take back control of our country.


They have made their pitches. You can join Internet's debate on social


media. Our questions tonight have been sent in by you the viewers and


our audience members here too. We've chosen the most popular themes and


the panellists have not seen them in advance. Our first question tonight


comes from David Nicholson. The European union started off as an


economic community to stop wars and hopefully stop wars in Europe. It


has moved onto a political union. Isn't it time for a referendum so


the British people can have a say and what sort of Europe they want to


be part of not be part. Particularly since Scotland be rooting for


independence, that may be a hawk to hang a referendum on if Scotland


leaves Britain. You want a referendum? You wanted ASAP? Yes.


Derek Vaughan. The European Union was formed after the Second World


War to stop the great powers of Europe going to war again. It was


always the case that the intended to use economic means for political


ends. To draw the economies of Europe closer and closer and closer


together so we never went to war again. Would you give a referendum?


You are right on that. We have clarified our position. The Labour


Party is saying is that is further transfer of powers from any member


state to the European Union, we would have an in-out referendum. So


not now? Kay Swinburne. That is a historic chance to renegotiate our


chance in the EU right now. Following the Eurozone crisis we


have had an opportunity to see things need to change. At the member


states agree with this. Reform is about to happen. We need to do that


with the renegotiation as well and we think we can deliver it. We


definitely need to have a referendum. It has been 40 years and


none of us on the panel had a vote. But David Cameron has said we will


get a referendum even if he doesn't renegotiate. We need a referendum by


the end of 2017 and he has promised that. If we have a Conservative


government, we will have one. If we don't, it'll be down to other


parties. The first thing is, in government at the moment, a law has


been passed to say that there will be a referendum if there is any


further transfer of powers to Europe. The time for that is not


now. We have seen how vulnerable an economy can be to shocks, club why


not now? The Eurozone is in reform. It is not the right moment. It would


be dangerous to the economy. Jill Evans. It is in Wales's insisted the


part of the EU. All the statistics show that. It'll help as the build


our economy, to strengthen it so we can stand on our own two feet. What


concerns me is that the whole discussion about the referendum now


has been going on for so long, that is creating uncertainty which will


damage investment. So isn't the only way to move on to have one? What is


needed is a lock on Wales 's future in the EU. We haven't had the debate


on Wales and allow the people of Wales to decide. We haven't scored


for a referendum that he need to be clear, if that is going to be a


referendum it should be held sooner rather than later. Nathan Gill. We


deserve a referendum, we can use this election next week as a


referendum, if you want to. We have been offered it for years and years.


We know it isn't going to happen. 2017, Twenty20, whatever. Labour is


saying if there is renegotiation of further powers, the Lisbon Treaty


has ratcheted clauses in it. They will be no further powers. The


Labour Party will not give you a referendum. The gentleman down here


in the suit. Powers are being transferred all the time. That isn't


going to be another Maastricht Treaty. It is deceitful saying we


will have to wait for this treaty. I don't agree. I do want a referendum


now. How about you? All the main parties say we need to stay in


Europe but we need to reform. What are three farmers not on the table,


what will you say then? -- what if the form is not on the table. Angela


Merkel addressed both houses of parliament and told them they will


be no reform. You can't reform if you are outside of the European


Union. Let's go to the lady in the second row. The decisions made in


Europe affect us because we are part of Europe. We don't need to be in


the European Union that we are part of Europe. Those decisions, we need


to be part. We need to get those by stepping out of Europe will not help


us. Let's go to the lady in the


background, in the white jumper. If we pull out of Europe would we pull


out of the European laws as a whole? Let's ask Kay Swinburne. If


we pull out of Europe and we want to access the single market who will


have to conform to all of the rules Europe make. There is a real danger


here that when we talk about in-out, we need to know what we are voting


in-out about. Those debates will be fully formed by 2017 and people will


be no -- we'll know what they are voting. There are things that aren't


within the EU mandate. First, the gentleman in the second back row. I


think it is false to say that not straining Europe would mean less


bureaucracy. I think it to mean more. If you need to trade with


those countries you would have to conform to their rules so it is


better to be inside. Sometimes you go on about 4.2 million jobs


depending on tariff free trade. If we were not in the EU, if our


exported that exporters wanted to exported the other part of Europe,


they would have to conform to EU rules. 100% of British businesses


have to comply with ridiculous rules. The Federation of Small


Businessesd say it is costing small businesses ?124 billion a year. It


talks about being a trade union and a political union, trade has to be


political, the political union is the UK, it is how I know I can trade


with Carlisle and Carrickfergus. Why would anybody in Germany want to


trade with me if we pulled out of the EU? We trade with America, New


Zealand, China. I am a lawyer, a lot of lawyers make a lot of money out


of having special arrangements. You are a brave man! We should not have


27 different systems. Our jobs trade -- depend on trade with EEF. It is


ridiculous. One other point is, we are having this discussion about a


referendum in the UK context, and ignoring what might happen in


Scotland in September, and what will have to happen in Europe is a


wholesale change in terms of our membership and where Wales is. If


Scotland becomes independent, we have to make sure that we are not


pushed to the sidelines. We are in a trading group where we have some


political control over the bureaucracy, we get stuck in,


political control over the have got less than 10%... We send


any peace to Brussels, ministers to the Council of ministers. We get


stuck in and we have an influence on the regulations, instead of being


like Norway, on the outside, following the rules with nobody at


the table will stop on a referendum, why not give people the choice? You


always championed referenda, why not? It is built into law, there


will be a referendum. It would be good if we had one, because we need


to reach a conclusion I agree. I think we will win it. The three of


you on the left have cancelled the question, would Plaid Cymru and UKIP


have danced around it. We'll do provide a referendum? You do not


have the power to, even if you do get in. Why are you pretending that


you will? White are you pretending that you care when you cannot even


offer it anyway? Do you think that the political parties now would be


talking about immigration and Europe without the fact that UKIP has been


rising in the polls? We have been banking the drum about this. We are


forcing the agenda, we do not even have any MPs yet. We want a


referendum immediately, if the people say no, so be it, but we


trust your judgement. We want the people of Wales to decide their


future. It is a UK government that would call a referendum, but what I


want is an assurance that that debate in Wales would be on the


benefits or otherwise to Wales, where Wales' future lies within the


EU or outside it. What if the people in Wales vote differently from the


people in England? We need to see clearly what the people of Wales


want. The moment, it is a UK vote. Briefly, I want to go back to the


audience. About the European elections and a referendum, what we


are voting next week is for people to go to Brussels to represent Wales


to the best of their ability. The lady in the front row. European


money is a lifeline to some of the most formal ball people in Wales,


what are your thoughts about whether a referendum would put some of those


people at risk? Can we get a microphone to this gentleman? I am


fairly relaxed about whether we have a referendum or not, but the way


that the debate is going, it is extremely England centric, and UKIP


centric, because of the London media. That would be damaging if a


referendum were to be held. In that sense, it should not be held at the


moment, because it would not be fair. Almost all of the media


attention has been negative to UKIP, but we are still rising in the


polls. I do not know what you are reading! If UKIP will let me get a


word in edgeways! There is one thing a referendum cannot do, alter the


facts of geography. We are always going to be part of Europe. We


cannot move away from Europe, this is where we are. It is so important


that we remain part of this large market right on our doorstep, for


the benefit of so many working people here in Wales. Can we get a


microphone to the lady in the front? As somebody who was in a


position to have a say on our relationship in Europe back in 1975,


what are the party is doing to ensure that the next generation get


their say over Europe, listening to the panel, it is only the


Conservatives who are promising that they will renegotiate and they will


give us a referendum. I voted them for the conservative, as I always


have. On the referendum, to go in? Yes. In terms of the referendum, it


is critical we have a say, that people get trusted with that. It is


automatically down to you, the people of Wales and the UK, to


decide whether we are in or out, but I will be negotiating hard to make


sure that the future EU that we vote on will reflect the type of EU that


generates jobs for us here in Wales, across the UK, and financial


security for us and in other countries across the EU. There is a


lot of scope for renegotiation, we do it on each piece of legislation.


The three of us here who have been there for the last five years have


helped to do things like reformed the common fisheries policy, we have


delivered a cut in red tape, there are things that we have done. I am


proud of these things, leading a cut in red tape and bureaucracy in


Brussels. We can renegotiate. Let's move to our second question, which


comes from Laura Murton. If we did vote to leave the EU, given the


level of EU funding that we benefit from, how would we cope without the


access to the grants and funding? If you facts. Wales has received 3.5


billion since 2000, and is set to receive 2 billion in the third block


of money. You would get rid of all that money, Nathan. No, there is no


such thing as EU money. It is not rocket science, it does not exist,


it is our money which has been sent to Brussels, they have creamed off


the lion 's share and have given us some of it back. Are you saying that


if we left Europe, Wales would still get that 2 billion from a UK


government? Absolutely. They would have more money, because we are


spending ?55 million every day on Brussels, we are getting a small


fraction back. We would defend and protect the people of Wales and make


sure they did not lose out by us leaving the EU. In the whole time


that I have been in the European Parliament, we have had to fight


against the UK government to get this funding for Wales, because our


economy is weak because the UK has never had a proper regional policy.


Wales is underfunded, we know that. I remember a meeting with myself and


my colleague, we saw the commission in Brussels in 2003 to show that the


UK was taking the money that should have been coming to Wales. This


man's party has been spending that money, the Labour Party. Let me read


you what the First Minister said. This is a once in a generation


opportunity to transform our economy and make a major difference to the


lives of people in West Wales and the valleys. Have you done that? We


have to go shake the money, it was myself and the Welsh government who


negotiated an extra ?400 million. This money is vital. I go to any


community in almost any part of Wales and you see large projects,


childcare facilities... But we still qualify for the money, which proves


they have not been transformed. We are starting to see the effect. The


Welsh unemployment rate is the same as the UK's, when did that happen


last? Youth unemployment in Wales is lower than the rest of the UK. We


use European funding to fund jobs in Wales, 12,000 opportunities for


young people. This despite this money, Wales is still one of the


poorest monies -- areas of Europe. Why do our farmers have to be


subsidised? They want a fair price for their produce and to have a


proper business. We have been talking about the big issues, I am


curious to see what the comment Neds have delivered in terms of tangible


muscles. -- what the comment Neds. Over the past five years, I am


curious to what they have been able to do for Welsh companies,


industry, academic institutions, in terms of them helping to gain access


to the European funding, the tangible results. A human to go,


there was going to be a cut, ?400 million, we negotiated with the UK


government and we have increased it. We will get an increase of ?150


million. We have turned it around by ?550 million, extra to be spent on


projects in Wales over the next seven years. How many politicians


and say they have achieved that? Not many. Your party have been in charge


for a short period in the assembly, as it been spent all wisely? The


first round could have been spent better, a lot of people recognise


that. It has to be spent in a way that has a lasting effect. Wales is


a net beneficiary if you include the agricultural funding. It is partly


because we do not raise as much taxes, but a lot of money throws --


flows in through a variety of sources. The problem with the UKIP


mind, there is no road map. It is easy to say we will leave, but the


model that we would leave to and how the money would be spent and how


much money would come to Wales and by what means, it is not something


you can promise. Look at the state of Greece, Italy, Portugal, Spain,


we are all basket cases, and they are in this wonderful union that you


love so much. Where are the jobs? Look at the unemployment in the


Eurozone. We have the jobs. If I can adjust the original question of the


structural funds and other media funding, or to mentally, there are


lots of jobs that can be created using this money. It has been a


shame that the money has not generated economic benefit to date,


and with the first ministers have said it could have been spent


better. Companies generate jobs, we have to trust our small and


medium-sized companies to have that money to make sure that they can use


their expertise to generate jobs and economic growth. That is where I


would put the money, and it can happen. The funds are there, we


dated use them wisely. What have I done to make a difference? I have


cut red tape for small difference -- for small businesses, I have fought


for more money in the research budget for Welsh universities, and I


have been credited with over four region 40 jobs for a financial


services firm in North Wales which only came here because I persuaded


them to do so -- 440 jobs. We are not trusted with funds, because the


people making the decision cannot risk their reputation. This funding


has to be used to look at the strategy, what do we want the Wales


we want to look like in 2020? You think it is wasted? What industries


are we going to work in across Europe? That is really essential


that is really essential matters by Plaid Cymru is calling on businesses


in Wales to take the lead in deciding whether funding is spent


from now on. We need to create the jobs and one of the things I have


worked on in Parliament in recent months as in changing the public


trick you and legislation. We only give half of our public contracts in


Wales to Welsh companies. If we put that up to 75%... It is not, it is


not. I learned give all of their contracts the Irish companies. You


don't know the rules. They are not breaking the rules. Let's go to the


gentleman over there. Why is it Wales have to go there with a


begging bowl for the third time? That is the point I made to Derek


Vaughan. There is a consensus in the first round we did not spend the


money on projects which we should have. We funded 3000 small projects


and did not have the impact. This time the offending 300 and lessons


will be learned the next time. Over time, I am hoping the many we are


spending will have this economic benefit. But we are poorer relations


in Europe. We're going to go for a fourth begging bowl. Look at hers


compared with other countries. You keep saying Wales is doing well,


we're not doing well. How would you spend it? I would spend it in


industry. Getting industries working together. They are just talking, it


is just rhetoric. They don't trust the people of the country to vote.


If we were out we would have two invest cash and rely on the UK


Government. We would not be any better. Vote for a better British


government, I would say to that. I have worked for sector groups. We


have started thousands of businesses. It did start this is up


-- thousands of businesses. Those are the kind of enterprise


businesses we need. Many on the panel and in the audience, some of


you have mentioned agriculture. There is a supplementary question


specifically on agriculture. I wanted to ask, do you think this CAP


reform has been a retrograde step and has done nothing to change the


competitiveness for farmers? The CAP reform is a journey, it is gradually


becoming greener. It is gradually creating the opportunity for


environmental benefits to be paid for for farmers. The gradual shift


from protection payments we had in the past towards paying farmers to


be on the land with the single farm payment is moving in the right


direction. It should be devolved. The actual implementation of it to


the UK and to Wales. That is not something you talk about in terms of


the European Parliament does. That is the right direction of travel.


With 9 billion people to feed by 2015, do we need to be concentrating


away from food production and more on the environment? Jill Evans on


that. I think we recognise the central value of foods production


and the central value of agriculture to our economy in Wales. I think


they were part of the CAP reform that were good and bad. We


negotiated in the interests of Welsh farmers, for instance, the


transition period would be longer to help people to adjust. I think the


problem is in Wales, we don't have a government that does recognise the


value of agriculture and farming to our local communities, to our


economy and to food production and to fighting climate change. In the


future, as you say, that is going to become more important. You mean a


Labour government here? I save the Labour government in Wales. Derek


Vaughan, a bit controversial in giving the maximum from direct


payments. When we talk about CAP, we have to remember waiters put in


place. First of all, it was to stop food shortages. It was to protect


the environment. It was to sustain rural communities. It was to provide


income for farmers but there has two be looking after the low


communities. We have got to sort these things out. Bruno communities


or the farmers? They are being hit in the pocket. -- Bruno communities.


The CAP reform was not a reform. For the first time, the European


Parliament had a joint say and I think many of the French and German


politicians really did fear their markets in terms of their farming


communities and protected the producer organisations. It has


become less market focused. We will fight very hard and my government is


fighting hard for a three-year reform committee reviews we get that


reform that was missed time round. We need to make sure the end of the


milk quotas was a good start but there is a lot more market related


reform the farmers and welcoming. I spent the morning in the


Monmouthshire market. I have had a lot of discussion this morning.


Nathan Gill on this question. They are trying to fight one size to fit


all. Europe is very diverse. We have added low grounds and the wet


grounds of Scotland. It is just ridiculous. Please tell me what is


wrong with a springing back the power and the ability to create the


funding for our farmers here in Britain based on what British


farmers actually do. Thank you for that. Let's move on to our next


question. Do you believe parties like UKIP and Britain First and


masking the research agenda by exaggerating fears of immigration?


Just make it clear, you picked up on the point of this morning of one of


your prominent party members resigning. Making, is the direction


of the party going is terrifying her stop it because it is a direct


question, let's go straight to Nathan Gill. The media have been


trying to say because certain individuals within our party have


said racist things we are a racist party. If I was to use the same


logic, you are a racist because Jeremy Clarkson said the end word.


All BBC employee eyes must be racist. That is stupid. It is


ridiculous. The point here is, bad apples you say as a party but this


is a rising star according to Nigel Farage. I have never met her. So you


are dismissing her? The reality is she is entitled to her views. Nine


days before a very important election she has chosen to leave


when quite frankly just a few weeks before she is on videos emphasising


UKIP's immigration policy. So you are saying she is another bad


apple? I have no idea what her intentions are. She has her agenda.


Let's move on... She said something about one of the posters, saying it


was racist. All of the other parties have joined together to attack UKIP.


The leader of the cartel was on Newsnight... Let's move on to the


broader point of immigration. We have made the point. Do you think


there is to much immigration into Wales? I think the poster we are


talking about, sorry, we do need to talk about it, implying they would


be millions coming in for our jobs was so ridiculous you could only


interpreted as scaremongering. People want to know that immigration


needs to be managed. People... Would you put a cap on its? The way you


manage a is if the European... We are electing people to go to the


parliament there. Any cash at all and is it opened doors to


everybody? If we have another country joining we have to manage


the entry of the new country. This scaremongering has an ASCII edge to


it. Let's start with the gentleman in the back. Elizabeth runs between


UKIP and Jeremy Clarkson because UKIP is more and more people. Every


time a closet racist falls out of his closet your party says it is


just one or two people. I agree with this gentleman. It is not an


individual act, it is a common agenda. You can see the posters and


leaflets. It is racist. You are making the European election you and


us. That you and them. This is just a racist agenda. It is the


cleverest, racist party considering... The British public is


more intelligent to expose your agenda. It is ridiculous. Your


leaflets are distributed by Eastern European people in different parts


of Cardiff. They are part of their society. You can no longer demonise


them more and more with these posters and leaflets. We have got


the least racist immigration policy of any party. All the other


parties, they discriminate against people coming in from India, New


Zealand, Canada and America regards the have opened the door to Eastern


European people. Is your language inflammatory? It is exactly what


they have done. I was in Merthyr Tydfil today and they were people


there telling as children can't find work. Can I ask you about today's


figures on immigration? 4.5 million people in this country who are


working and foreign-born. A million of our youth are unemployed. Where


is the sense in that? As a party you predicted the doors would be flung


open and lows of the variance and Romanians would come in. Only a


quarter came in. The prediction was wrong. 20,000 people came in when


nine months of that period there were restricted. They predicted


50,000 a year. When you are talking about three months, 20,000 came in.


But these people were working. Derek Vaughan. Not everyone in UKIP is


racist. I would say the views expressed are not just their views


expressed by people at the bottom of the party. We have seen comments by


Godfrey Bloom. We have another UKIP MEPs saying Muslim communities in


the UK should sign a pledge. You go onto Twitter or Facebook and seen


the really awful comments. Let's address to the big concerns. One is


benefits. When you look at the figures, it is a tiny, tiny


percentage of EU migrants who come to the UK. When you go further into


the figures come EU migrants have put in 34% more into the UK economy


than the takeout. They pay 34% more in taxes than claim benefits. One in


seven businesses in the UK are started by a migrants. Immigration


has benefited the UK economically. Others would say they can here and


take jobs. I will be focusing -- are we focusing on the wrong people? If


companies can indicate -- under Cats, those are the people we should


be targeting. Let's have new restriction on agency workers. Let's


target real people, the rogue employers. When you have been in


power and all of the four main parties have been in power, you have


not done anything about it, it has all gone on under your watch. Now


you say, give me more time to rearrange it again. You cannot have


it both ways. The lady with the scarf. I appreciate that you say it


is a minority of UKIP candidates who have made inappropriate comments,


but as a political party, you are accountable for your members.


Secondly, the attempt by some parties to reduce the discussion of


Europe down to a single issue, immigration, is reductive and


unhelpful. Europe brings massive benefits, even more benefits to


Wales, and we need to talk about the wider issues, rather than


scaremonger. David Cameron has said he will get


the cap down, it is still realistic to get it down into the tens of


thousands. This is immigration as a whole. It is immigration from all


countries. We have reduced it by a third since we took over in 2010. EU


movement happens both ways. We have a large number of people who work


across the EU from the UK. We have one of the most mobile workforces,


especially within the professional services, that travel across to do


their daily work. We have the need for stronger rules on new entrant


countries. We have an opportunity to work with our partners to make sure


that happens. We were not the only member state who had a large


migration of people to work in our country when the new countries


joined. Germany have had a larger proportion of movement than we have.


We have to work with people to make sure there are stronger rules on new


countries, that those who have a weaker economy have different rules


for them to transition into the free movement. Free movement of people to


work is something I support as opposed to free movement to claim,


and that has been stopped. As a party, you want more doctors to come


in, you want nurses, you are appealing for more immigration. We


need them, we have 1000 fewer doctors per head in Wales than they


do in England. There is concern about migration, it is based on the


fear that has been created, it is not based on the evidence. Younger


people come to work in Wales. Any cap? It is about communities in


Wales, there are groups all over campaigning against local government


plans because councils want to build thousands of new houses not based on


local need. That is a real issue. There was a referendum recently. No


cap at all, the more, the better? There is no evidence that migration


has a different effect on our economy or communities, and while


that is the case, no. Let's go to the audience. One of my concerns is


that the sensationalist language used by UKIP to cover their


frightening xenophobic agenda, the candidate here branded half of


Europe as basket cases, it has... You said basket cases. Could you let


me finish? It has distracted the argument of this whole election


process and made it very UKIP centric. To the other candidates,


does that worry too? The gentleman here. It is good to hear some common


sense from the majority of the panel. If you look at immigration,


it does not have any negative effects on Wales, it is beneficial


on the whole for the UK economy. If you look at European funding, it is


beneficial for Wales, if you look at the growing trade and export for


Wales, it is beneficial. It is a right wing media that would rather


throw up smoke and mirrors, debate about a referendum and immigration,


let's address the real issues, there is a systemic failure. There is no


doubt that immigration, Europe, it is a big concern and at the top of


the agenda of so many people in this country. We need a referendum, but


we need the facts to be properly put across, we do not want


newspapers... We want a referendum on Europe. My question to the Labour


candidate, why would you deny the people of Britain in this society a


vote? We seem to have forgotten that Wales was developed largely through


migration, from other parts of this country and from other countries.


Around the 1900, 2000 Spanish people were living here, people were


concerned they were taking jobs, speaking Spanish, but today, those


families are integrated, doesn't the panel think that is what will happen


to the newly arrived people now? What the gentleman said about people


being concerned, there is another concern. Many of us know EU


migrants, many of us have family members who have retired to Spain or


whatever, EU migration is going on all the time, it is enriching to


lots of people. Have none of you had somebody who is an EU migrant who


has received one of these leaflets and started to think what is going


on? We could go on, but thank you, we will leave the topic. There are


other parties taking part in this election, so let's hear from them


now, again in alphabetical order. We are standing for one reason only,


to highlight the fact that the British people are going to be a


minority in their own country within a few short decades. No other


political party is talking or mentioning this issue whatsoever. It


is paramount, it supersedes the other political issues, we are going


to be a minority, we are standing in Scotland and Wales occurs we want to


put this across to the British people and to use this opportunity


and platform to inform them of this horrible future. The reason you


should vote for us in this election is we will take Britain out of the


European Union. We will not ask for a referendum, we will just say we


are pulling out, because we are in there or unlawfully anyway. We will


ban the burqa. It is offensive, the majority of Britain do not want


them, but we are told we have to accept them. We will not accept


them, we will provide British jobs for British workers are fair


treatment for animals, we will deal with how well slaughter of animals,


we will preserve the identity of the indigenous population of this land,


and we will. Immigration. -- we will stop immigration. We will rebuild


the country and get back to the infrastructure we need. You have


heard fine talk from the other parties, but no fine action. Only we


have the strength and courage to tackle the most pressing needs of


our generation, climate change, the corporate takeover of democracy, the


rights of women. We are part of the fourth-largest group in the European


Parliament, the Tories of faith. With us, you get permanent lower


fuel bills, positive action against climate change and action on


equality. When people hear about our policies, ringing railways back into


public hands, turning the minimum wage into a living wage, they vote


for us. No to EU, just to workers' writes, the EU is an anti-democratic


big business club, the power does not lie with this farce of a


European Parliament, it lies with the unelected commission in


Brussels, and with the unaccountable European Central Bank in Frankfurt,


who, with the IMF, are enforcing these disastrous austerity and


privatisation policies across the EU. They are making ordinary people


pay the price for bailing out the bankers who caused the financial


crash in the first place. Then, we have a series of disastrous


decisions from the European Court of Justice, which have undermined


people's terms and conditions and trade union agreements at work. We


oppose the EU very much from the left. In this election, we are the


only party which is both opposing the EU free-market privatisation and


austerity genders and which is calling for Britain's immediate


withdrawal from the EU. The EU has undermined and sought to replace our


democracy and has dictated policies that have led to mass unemployment.


Other parties will carry on the EU's austerity agenda. Only we are


committed to bringing prosperity to communities across Wales. Central to


doing this is investing in the jobs and public services needed to meet


the requirements of the people of Wales. In or out of Europe. Matter,


but we are looking for is a real change, not the kind of change that


puts a different set of leaders in terms of the system, it is a system


ruled by money and profit, and it causes massive insecurity, pitting


people against each other, and bringing gross inequality. We stand


for the kind of change that in Wales, Europe and the world calls


upon people to opt for a free access to society without money or wages,


based on democratic cooperation, it uses our resources rationally to


feed, clothes, how's and give a decent secure life to everyone. It


is not a utopia, it is a tangible prospect, and more and more people


are seeing that. The other parties standing in this election.


The next question, from Jonathan Kirkup. People are confused about


who MEPs are and what they do. What are you doing? You have been in


Brussels and Strasbourg for 15 years, what do you do? I am not


surprised by what you say, because everybody would agree that we go


around the country and people do not know how the Neds function within


the European Union. That is despite having a website, we have a DVD of a


week in the life of a MEP, but there is not enough attention given to it


in the media. What do you do? When I was first elected, there was a


full-time BBC Wales reporter, we got a lot of coverage about how those


issues affected Wales. I would be willing to make myself available


every week. Tell us, is it plenary sessions? The imagery of politicians


travelling a lot, building up the air miles, what do you do? There is


plenty of material that could be used to show what we do, the


debates, and how it affects Wales. We can indicate with different


organisations, schools, colleges send groups over. What do you do? We


legislate. We are far more important than we ever were pre-Lisbon. We


were told the Lisbon Treaty did not matter, but it made a huge


difference, we are now elected to co-legislate, we amend legislation


to make sure it represents what works in a proportionate way for


Wales and the UK. Financial services was my area of expertise before I


went to Parliament, so I have worked on the Eurozone crisis and on the


financial services reform. That is what I have spent five years doing.


We have to get everybody in. We are there Monday to Thursday, but when


we come back on a Friday, Saturday and, sometimes, Sunday, we are


travelling Wales, we are meeting organisations, we need a huge out of


people, but it is difficult to get around Wales on your own, we are


doing our best, we would like more help from the BDO and other


organisations. Why do you want to be an NEP? It makes a difference. If


you have got a pothole in the street, you complain about it. If


the lorries that drive along those roads crossing borders are not safe


for cyclists and pedestrians, it is not quite so clear in your mind, but


it is desperately important, it can have tragic consequences. We have


got three MEPs here, listening to their XP want to join them, because


they are getting stuck into making the EU work, and that is what the


job is. This election is about European issues. You want to abolish


the institution? Absolutely. Do research yourselves. To not just


listen to them. Find out for yourselves.


The third best performing British two is a UKIP two. The commissioners


make the rules, and watch how they vote, like that, nonstop. Nigel


Farage's record is better than the other leaders. I would like to see


UKIP come up with a policy that benefits Wales. What legislation


have you made for the benefit of Wales? That you have enacted? We


could go on. Our time is up, thank you to the panel. That is it, thank


you to the panel and to the audience for a very lively hour. A full list


of the parties and candidates standing next week is available


online, you can go to the website. That is it for this week, let us


know what you think about the issues raised tonight or anything else, you


can e-mail us. You can join in the debate on social media. Huw Edwards


is back next Wednesday. Until then, thank you for watching. Good night.


On The Wales Report - with a week to go to the European elections, we hear from the main candidates about the issues that matter to voters in Wales. Join Bethan Rhys Roberts for a special debate programme.

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