18/06/2014 The Wales Report


18/06/2014

What does the future hold for Welsh farming and is the role of the children's commissioner for Wales fit for purpose? With Huw Edwards.


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We look at the future of farming, with radical changes to financial

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The Children?s Commissioner for Wales completes his seven year term.

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We ask him what changes he think are needed.

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And separating news from public relations.

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Is the spread of PR damaging our ability to

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Good evening and welcome to the Wales Report,

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On tonight?s programme, we talk about farming.

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The industry is worth ?150 million a year to the Welsh economy

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and around 60,000 people depend on it for their livelihoods.

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It?s a big employer but it?s a way of life too, with very deep

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The problem is that those livelihoods are affected

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by big changes to the agricultural subsidies paid

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The Welsh Government is responsible for distributing the European money,

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but it?s accused of accelerating the impact of cuts in subsidies

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by making changes to the payment system, which means farmers will

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We?ll be talking to Minister for Natural Resources and Food,

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But first Helen Callaghan looks at what the future could hold

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Farming in Wales has always been a family affair with the skills and

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knowledge needed to farm the harshest areas passed down from

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generation to generation. It's a way of life that persists in 2014 but in

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many cases this is only made possible by European subsidies. But

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as those subsidies across Europe begin to decline Welsh agriculture

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could be entering a new reality. Farmer could be replaced by Herd

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manager. This mega- Dearie near Carmarthen is among the largest in

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the UK and currently has 2000 cows and produces around 60,000 litres of

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milk daily. To increase efficiency cows are housed indoors and milked

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three times a day. Farming is though different to any of the business. We

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have to be commercially viable. 60 odd years ago we had subsidies and

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time has moved on. Time could be moving on to quickly for some. John

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Davies has been running this sheep and beef farm to 25 years and thinks

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his way of life and his community are at risk. Nice to meet you. I

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honestly love this job and I love our community. We have a lot of

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young people involved and it is a vibrant area to live in. I don't

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want to lose that. There are many areas in Wales under threat in the

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future. It is argued that many of Wales' farms only survived because

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of high levels of subsidy from Europe. Especially in difficult

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upland areas. The Common Agricultural Policy contributes over

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?300 million a year to Wales' rural communities. This budget is falling.

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According to the Minister for natural resources and food, Alun

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Davies, we can expect more productions when it is reformed

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again in 2020. Welsh agriculture needs to be prepared to run on a

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more commercial basis. If we constantly and only and uniquely

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rely upon a payment system that is declining in value in real terms,

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many farms in Wales will not be viable in the future. There are

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concerns that this low subsidy future is being brought to bear on

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Welsh agriculture sooner than it is on the rest of the UK and Europe.

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Alun Davies has chosen to move 15% of direct payments to farmers into

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another funding part, whether that can be used to support the wider

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rural economy. It's the maximum amount he is allowed to move and he

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drew -- under EU rules. It is a disadvantage because the cat is

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bigger and quicker but now we need to make sure that we get that back.

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We must not lose that. Farmers right across Wales are having to find new

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efficiencies and ways of diversifying their incomes and those

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who want or can't become more commercially viable are likely to

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have a very difficult future. That is according to the expert in rural

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economic. Farmers have known for a long time that subsidies are not

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going to be here forever. The smarter ones and the ones with the

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opportunity to diversify their businesses and moved into areas

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unrelated to farming. We are a thing of the difficulty in adjustment will

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be is where farms have little opportunity to diversify. They are

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far away, in remote locations so they can't gain access to employment

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or market opportunities in towns. So with traditional farming practices

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under increasing pressure are intensive measures going to be the

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norm? I don't think this is the only way that fits. As long as you are in

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control of your cost of production I don't really think it makes a

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difference what type of farming you do. This is one solution but there

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are others. Whatever shape Welsh agriculture takes in the future,

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farmers like John Davies are advising caution or the iconic image

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of the Welsh sheep farmer could be consigned to history. I believe

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generations of hard work are under threat and it's important we don't

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lose these core skills. They are under threat in many areas. We are

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talking about community, the language and the whole culture. When

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the Common Agricultural Policy is reformed again in 2020 the subsidy

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environment for farmers will have changed dramatically. Policy

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decisions being taken now by the Welsh Government will either have

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left capped at -- agriculture more resilient or alternatively fallen

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behind the Contra -- cognition. By 2020 rural Wales could look very

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different. Joining me now is the Minister

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for Natural Resources and Food, What is your vision for farming in

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Wales by the end of the decade? We wanted to be profitable and

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resilient and underpinning a prosperous rural economy. We want to

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make investments today that will ensure our farmers and farms are

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able to be competitive in the future. There is no single model for

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the future. What I have done is created the biggest investment

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opportunity in Welsh agriculture in generations. So the farmer who is no

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longer getting direct payments or not as much as in the past is going

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to be wondering when he talks about investment what does he mean? Nobody

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disagrees with my basic analysis that we're going to see a reduction

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in subsidies. If they farm is dependent on a subsidy and if that

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is going to fall they need to increase their additional income.

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Why are you accelerating that process? I believe we need to go as

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a community in Wales to ensure that farming in Wales is a resilient

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thing for the future. If we do nothing that farm will fail in ten

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years time. Nobody wants to see that. We are building the biggest

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investment fund that we have ever seen in Wales to invest in

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agriculture, to invest in the infrastructure of agriculture and

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the skills of agriculture. We want to give farmers the tools to ensure

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they can not only survive in the future but prosper. In switching

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from direct payments to the other fund, you could have switched 5% or

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10% but you have gone for the maximum 15%. Why did you decide to

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push it to the extreme? 80% goes straight back to pillar when

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recipients. What we want to do is create an investment fund. He will

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not create a successful industry in the future by simply doing what

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we're doing today. Everybody agrees with that. I am confident that

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farmers was to invest in their farms and invest in the infrastructure of

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agriculture. We are going to provide them with the tools to do that in

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terms of skills development. If we can do this we can create

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inefficient industry that will be profitable and prosperous in the

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future. We all agree we want to see that. What happens to those farmers

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who are not accessing the money in a different way? Do they just

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disappear? If farm is dependent on subsidy and that is no opportunity

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to invest they will not be able to survive in the future. How many will

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there be? I don't think it is that many. If you look at what is

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happening in sheep and dairy and beef you will see that farms are

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making investments today and are today profitable. I actually think

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we have a great future for Welsh agriculture. We launched a Welsh

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food action plan last week and that is based on the successful

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agricultural industry producing primary produce that we all enjoy at

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home with our families. My determination is that your children

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and my children will have that same opportunity to enjoy great Welsh

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produce. And when they look around them in the future they will see a

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lot of those mega- dear these? Is that the pattern? It is a very real

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beast in Wales. There are only three or four across the whole country. Do

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you expect there to be more? No. I don't think there is a single model

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for a sheep farm ordered dairy farm. -- or a dearly farm. I think you

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will see a diverse and resilient and robust industry that underpins and

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that is the backbone of rural Wales and of our language and culture and

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our environment. I think we will -- we all want to see those things. You

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are talking energetically about this area but how difficult is it there

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to carry on those duties while there is investigation going on into

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another area of your policy? It's not difficult at all. I am confident

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in the way I am doing the job. I am confident that the work I am doing

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today, I will carry on doing and we will make significant investments

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for the future. I am looking forward to the next two years because I

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think what we are doing in Wales is being radical but also being

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realistic about the future. We have great opportunity to do this. I

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believe in this industry. You want to stay in this job? I certainly do.

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I believe in this industry. I think together we can create an excellent

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future and we all want to see that. By working together with the

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industry and the agricultural community we can deliver those

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things. Wales is searching for a new

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Children's Commissioner. Keith Towler is preparing to hand over the

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battle. Willis led the way in the creation of this role being the

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first government in the UK to appoint a commission at the deal

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solely with the needs of children. But changes are needed to make sure

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his successor can operate as effectively as possible not least in

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the way the role is governed. David Williams reports.

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Wanted, new Children's Commissioner for Wales. I think if you come into

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this job as the Children's Commissioner with a whole set of

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ideas about things you want to do you going about it the way. You must

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have the ability to listen. What you need to do is meet with children and

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talk with them and really listen to what children are saying. Must be

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prepared for tricky questions. We asked him a question about his

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favourite superpower and he said it would be if he could fly. It is a

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difficult job but it's well paid. I get paid ?92,000 a year.

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Satisfaction guaranteed. I will never have a job as good as this. I

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know whatever happens to me next I will always look at this period as

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the best part of my career. Keith Towler is coming to the end of his

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fixed seven-year term of office and the hunt is on for his successor.

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It's a tough act to follow. The current Children's Commissioner is

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always game for a laugh. His natural self-effacing style always puts

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young people at ease. But perhaps the biggest asset of all is his

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ability to listen and to talk to young people on their own terms. I

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figured is a good idea to listen to the children to find out what they

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think is bad and good. This is the agenda for the day. I will need my

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glasses. Seven years ago when I first met the Children's

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Commissioner those talents were obvious to everyone, including the

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people on the panel which appointed him. Among them was then sires, then

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aged 14. When I first met Ben he was this blonde child with glasses and

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he used to sell white chocolate and then just looked like the Milky bar

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kid. We invited Ben, now a 21-year-old student, to ask what

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superpowers he would like to have to meet again the man he helped to

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appoint? I interviewed for him seven years ago. He has done really well.

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Awareness. When I was starting originally, I knew who the

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Children's Commissioner was because I was involved, but as far as

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friends and family, they had no real idea. Now he is more prominent. I

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asked for cheese, but they put in June. Do you get choice? Yes, but

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there is lumped in the gravy. These young people are the super

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ambassadors, representing fellow school pupils on a whole range of

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issues which really matter to young people. Issues like school dinners.

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It is a dangerous object. No one is getting poisoned! The milk is

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curdling, but you get career will sense. A sense of what is on the

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menu in schools is the kind of sense of information which the commission

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can use to influence those with the power to change things. Full is like

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the Welsh Government. The queues are too long. Some children are hungry

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in the afternoon and is a big policy message, particularly for the

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Education Minister, thinking about attainment and attainment and

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attendance and concentration levels. There is the meat of what the

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Children's Commissioner does, listening to what young people are

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saying and then lobbying on their behalf with those in power, but for

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that to work effectively, it presumes that people are listening

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to what the Children's Commissioner is saying and that is not always the

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case. And, there is another problem. The current legislative framework

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drawn up when devolution in Wales was in its infancy, is no longer fit

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for purpose. The Children's Commissioner is finding it

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increasingly difficult to do what he is supposed to do, be an effective

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ambassador for young people. Legislation is very much off its

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time and it is a bit of a mess, a bit ad hoc in modern Wales were we

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now have an executive government and the National Assembly that

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scrutinises our government. It raises questions about the

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relationship with the commissioner to Welsh Government and the National

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Assembly. Legislation has become out of date. Keith Towler is quite clear

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about what should happen next. I would take the view that in modern

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Wales and the moderate UK we should extend the remit of the Children's

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Commissioner to use the powers that we will give the future commissioner

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to extend over things like asylum and youth justice and child poverty.

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None of those areas which I have spent time working on I have any

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powers at all in relation to and it is time for change. Not only that,

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he says his successor should be answerable to the Welsh assembly,

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not the Welsh Government. In other words, doing away with any possible

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chance after Iraq political pressure from the government of the day. It

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is the first Minister who has the responsibility for appointing me or

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the next commissioner and I would say that as the appointed human

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rights institution, the Welsh Government have never ever

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intervened in any way in what I want to do, but nevertheless, the

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relationship is not the right one. Appointing a Children's Commissioner

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to hold them to account is uncomfortable, you think about that

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and you think how can that possibly be possible -- proper independent?

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The accountability and the work programme of the commissioner should

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be examined in the National Assembly. His views will no doubt

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resonate with those charged by the Welsh Government with conducting an

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independent review of the future role and functions of the new

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Children's Commissioner for Wales. I cannot do any kind of spinning, I am

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not going in there. Believe me when I say that ever the new Children's

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Commissioner is Children's Commissioner is an whatever changes

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are made to the role, the person chosen could do worse than take a

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moment to examine what the man in the role now has done to enhance the

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rights and increase the profile of those young people he represents.

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You have got to be able to listen and understand what children are

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saying, you need stamina to do this job, I think you should not rely on

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e-mail or social media, websites, you need to get out and meet people,

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go to schools and hospital, meet families, that is the most important

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thing. It is a lonely place, you have to be well prepared.

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David Williams talking to Keith Towler.

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Over the past decade, the way we access news has changed

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Your local paper may no longer be in circulation, but online outlets have

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surged in number and popularity, putting global and local news

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But while there are more ways to consume news, it seems there are

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fewer journalists creating original stories and there's a greater

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reliance on PR professionals to meet the demand for content.

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In an exclusive survey for The Wales Report, we've discovered that in

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Wales, journalists are outnumbered two to one by PR workers.

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There are 13 newspapers in Wales with five journalists or fewer. Five

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had just one journalist working on them.

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In a moment, we'll discuss whether this is weakening our ability to

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But first, broadcaster and media commentator, Steve

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PR and journalism will always exist in conflict. They are opposite sides

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of the same coin, one set of people trying to get their message across

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and the other set trying to find out what is really going on. On the --

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when the balance goes wrong it is serious, because unless you have

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news rooms that are well on free sourced, things do not get properly

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scrutinised and ultimately, what passes for journalism is actually

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work PR material is just regurgitated. If that keeps

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happening, it is the public who get short-changed -- where PR material.

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I am not sure that digital developments are necessarily

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entirely threatening. We have seen a huge upsurge in what we might call

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citizen journalism or ordinary people and people who take an

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interest are able to find things out and publish material which

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previously only professional journalist could do. I think there

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is probably as much good journalism going on as ever was, it is not

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necessarily going on in the same places. People being drawn towards

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or into PR, that is not surprising because that is where the money is.

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When people drop out of the job of editor, quite often they appear in

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PR. The problem is that the whole thing is shifting in one direction.

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More PR does not worry me, what worries me is less journalism.

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That was media commentator Steve Hewlett.

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And here with me now is Sara Robinson, founder of PR

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company, Cake Communications and Jason Evans, a journalist with

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I googled for coming in. So, you go from journalism into PR, why? For

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me, I spent five years in television which was fantastic, but I wanted to

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write and I think this might be at the heart of the problem. I did not

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feel like I was doing enough original writing and I fancied a

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change. It was nothing to do with money, I took a pay cut. That is

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interesting. I can see at more junior levels that that is the case.

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I thought about the way that journalism is operating now in South

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Wales -- a thought. It represents a source of news, but a powerful

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source. How do you into wracked? PR is a source -- call what rate. There

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is more and better PR out there. They can come to us and there is a

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lady who is a charity volunteer who has won an award, is that the story,

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we think it is to reflect. PR would provide the way end. I do not have a

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problem with that -- we think it is great. What kind of approach would

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worry you? Everyone is in PR these days. Everyone is trying to control

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their image. You sometimes get inundated with stuff from different

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sources and some of it you need to challenge, some of it is

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propaganda. They will go in the bin. It is a tough time for the media

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generally and for local newspapers. There have been huge budget cuts,

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cuts in staffing, people have lost their jobs and news rooms can be

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lonely sometimes. The staffing levels are down. What would you say

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to the viewer who is thinking, she has been successful in this

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company, but actually your business is about working for clients and if

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that means covering up stuff which you do not like and promoting stuff

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you do like, that is what you do? I would like to think in our company,

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ethics is important. The industry has a responsibility to pick and

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choose clients carefully, to represent people that they believe

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offer goods and services that they believe in and from our point of

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view, we work with a lot of charities and I think that the PR

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industry has an important role to play. Ultimately we are here to

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deliver a message for our clients and we want to work with journalists

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and we welcome challenge to our stories. I see in magazines and

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newspapers, and article, you will think it is part of the journalistic

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offering, until you notice at the top of the page, in tiny letters,

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advertising feature, it is that something you're comfortable with?

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There is not much money around and paid for content are a threat. They

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are a source of income, journalism is expensive. How we develop a

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sustainable business model, whether it is a community asset approach, a

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local approach, there is a passion for local news and on a local paper,

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you are aware of it, people stop you and want to talk to you about a

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story or challenge you about something, people love local news

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and people want to come in -- and work in the papers. People want work

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experience every week. Even after a week with me, they still want to do

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it! It is marrying the desire for local news with people who want to

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provide the news. Is the relationship between PR and

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journalism in a healthy place? In my personal experience it is, but there

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are challenges which need to be addressed in how we pay for our

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journalism and sustain good high-quality journalism going

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forward. I think local news is at a crossroads, the way forward is not

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clear, I think that PR could become more of a threat to news unless

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decisions are made in the future. That's it for tonight's

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programme and for this series. But we'll be back after the summer

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with more reports, investigations You can get in touch with us

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on email:

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Huw Edwards asks the questions that matter to you about your job, your health, your future. Calling to account the decision-makers here in Wales and beyond our borders too, each week the team bring you in-depth reports on pressing issues that matter to the lives of everyone living in Wales.

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