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Tonight: Welsh councils under a huge financial pressure with more | :00:08. | :00:13. | |
budget cuts on the way. The challenges facing the Welsh Rugby | :00:14. | :00:19. | |
Ian -- regions to capture the hearts and souls of rugby fans. And | :00:19. | :00:26. | |
changing the face of the UK and how the debate on Scottish independence | :00:26. | :00:36. | |
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Good evening and welcome to the Wales Report. This week we're in | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
Llanelli, my home town, as part of our series of special programmes | :00:41. | :00:46. | |
coming from locations all across Wales. And, tonight, there are | :00:46. | :00:49. | |
stark warnings over the future provision of many of our essential | :00:49. | :00:52. | |
services provided by councils in Wales as local authorities face | :00:52. | :00:56. | |
larger than expected budget cuts. Next week, the Chancellor is set to | :00:56. | :00:59. | |
unveil the Government's spending plans for 2015 and 2016 with Wales | :00:59. | :01:08. | |
bracing itself for more bad news. So, how are those with the job of | :01:08. | :01:12. | |
delivering our services preparing? Helen Callaghan has been finding | :01:12. | :01:22. | |
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Over the next few years, it seems the deep cuts we keep being warned | :01:23. | :01:30. | |
about are coming across Wales. Here and elsewhere, those who provide | :01:30. | :01:36. | |
council services will be put crate -- paying particular attention to | :01:36. | :01:40. | |
what the Chancellor does in the comprehensive spending review and | :01:40. | :01:48. | |
watching to see where the axe falls. What the chance Loat cuts will down | :01:48. | :01:54. | |
the line have an impact on all our frontline services because George | :01:54. | :02:01. | |
Osborne's comprehensive spending review largely determines the total | :02:01. | :02:08. | |
amount of block grant money the Welsh government ends up with. So, | :02:08. | :02:13. | |
Wales's 22 local authorities have been warned to brace themselves for | :02:13. | :02:22. | |
at a painful financial future. One councillor, the leader of | :02:22. | :02:25. | |
Carmarthenshire County Council, is preparing for the worst. At the | :02:25. | :02:32. | |
moment, we are really worried. I cannot remember any time in 35 | :02:32. | :02:37. | |
years the pressure that elected members are under now. We were | :02:37. | :02:42. | |
planning to at least look at 5 million cutbacks again this year. | :02:42. | :02:47. | |
It looks like it might possibly be 10 million or more. If the cuts are | :02:47. | :02:53. | |
planned, some services will completely disappear. It is the | :02:53. | :02:57. | |
front line services - leisure, parks and all these things people | :02:57. | :03:02. | |
rely on. They are services which will suffer even more. The biggest | :03:02. | :03:07. | |
chunk of any local authority's budget goes on education and no one | :03:07. | :03:12. | |
wants to cut that. Councils will be under a huge amount of pressure | :03:12. | :03:17. | |
from teaching unions and others to make sure there is enough money to | :03:17. | :03:22. | |
drive up standards. We are worried because we don't want to see more | :03:22. | :03:29. | |
cuts to end -- education. We are still under span -- underspending. | :03:29. | :03:37. | |
But the budgets are protected. that is true but we have correctly | :03:37. | :03:44. | |
underspent over the last decade and now we are seeing a funding gap of | :03:44. | :03:49. | |
over �600 and that is there. A but most of the Welsh Government's cash | :03:49. | :03:54. | |
is spent on the health service and many say costs in this sector will | :03:54. | :04:02. | |
only go one way, up. It will be very challenging. It is the third | :04:02. | :04:06. | |
year we have had a flat cash settlement so in real terms it has | :04:06. | :04:11. | |
been a reduction. Our health boards have come in on budget but it will | :04:11. | :04:15. | |
be a big ask to do the same again this year and continued to deal | :04:15. | :04:21. | |
with the continuing demand of an ageing population. So, ever-growing | :04:21. | :04:25. | |
demands and shrinking budgets will require different ways of working | :04:25. | :04:30. | |
in future and all public service providers are looking at creative | :04:30. | :04:36. | |
ways to keep facilities and project going. For schools, teaching unions | :04:36. | :04:40. | |
and experts believe the fewer educational authorities may well | :04:40. | :04:45. | |
help to raise standards and be a more efficient use of resources. | :04:45. | :04:50. | |
There are things we need to look at how we spend money and 22 local- | :04:50. | :04:55. | |
authority is doing things in their own ways is not the best way. The | :04:55. | :04:59. | |
review we saw on Tuesday will help in that regard but we have to look | :04:59. | :05:05. | |
at how we get the money to the front line. In the Welsh Health | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
Service they are already restructured and there are now | :05:08. | :05:12. | |
seven health boards. They think they can work even more efficiently | :05:12. | :05:17. | |
by collaborating more with councils. The big change will be working | :05:17. | :05:24. | |
collaboratively. We have very good relationships in our area with | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
different councils so it is forgetting about the organisational | :05:28. | :05:32. | |
boundaries and focusing on the needs of the patient or the users. | :05:32. | :05:38. | |
Is that the way forward in the future? It has to be. In a way, we | :05:38. | :05:43. | |
have nowhere else to go. The business as normal is no longer | :05:43. | :05:48. | |
feasible. We have to change. Councils across Wales are also | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
being urged by the Welsh government to work more closely together to | :05:52. | :05:57. | |
improve the delivery of services with limited funds. When you have | :05:57. | :06:02. | |
to work different league to cope with that kick the cuts? Yes, we | :06:02. | :06:09. | |
will have to work more closely with other authorities. Everything needs | :06:09. | :06:14. | |
to be looked at and what savings we can do within the system, these | :06:14. | :06:20. | |
things will have to happen. councils tried to counteract any | :06:20. | :06:26. | |
future caps, stand by for working together becoming the norm, | :06:26. | :06:31. | |
possible restructuring and rises in council tax. Even if all of that | :06:31. | :06:36. | |
comes our way, many accept there is no getting away from it. Services | :06:36. | :06:42. | |
and maybe jobs will be lost under losses will be keenly felt in all | :06:42. | :06:50. | |
Joining me now is the leader of the Welsh Conservatives in the Assembly, | :06:51. | :06:59. | |
Andrew RT Davies and Local Government consultant Jeff Jones. | :06:59. | :07:04. | |
Good to have you with us, gentlemen. Someone said to me the other day | :07:04. | :07:09. | |
there was a tidal wave of cuts coming towards us. Is that true? | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
Whether it be that budget or the public spending review, there is | :07:13. | :07:18. | |
always speculation. But we know the economy is healing and there are | :07:18. | :07:22. | |
more jobs than they have ever been and ultimately this structural | :07:23. | :07:28. | |
deficit has been cut. We need to go further on some of the measures but | :07:28. | :07:37. | |
we do not know the facts yet. two is a bit open. He has given a | :07:37. | :07:41. | |
politician's answer is that his party is doing fantastic things but | :07:41. | :07:47. | |
the reality is the IFS. After 2015 there will be even bigger cuts. The | :07:47. | :07:52. | |
assembly does not raise money so if the UK government cuts the grant, | :07:52. | :07:57. | |
the assembly has to pass those cuts on. The assembly can make a | :07:57. | :08:02. | |
decision way to make big cuts but you cannot cut the National Health | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
Service and education is a key element in the revival of Wales say | :08:06. | :08:10. | |
something will go. It will be issues like local government and | :08:10. | :08:15. | |
that has warned this week we are heading for a tough time. Andrew is | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
like a top man on the beach thinking the tidal wave will not | :08:19. | :08:25. | |
hit him into it is on hot -- on top of him. That is a load of cobblers. | :08:25. | :08:32. | |
I appreciate getting value for money. My own local council in | :08:32. | :08:37. | |
Cardiff has advertised for 11 new director positions at �100,000. Is | :08:37. | :08:44. | |
that what people pay their council tax for? A lot of councils show | :08:44. | :08:50. | |
there is an inability to work collaboratively. We have had a | :08:50. | :08:55. | |
debacle over senior pay in one Council. I appreciate there is an | :08:56. | :09:01. | |
element of the budget for salaries but it shows a wider mentality of | :09:01. | :09:06. | |
Silo is thinking instead of working collaboratively. Plenty can be done | :09:06. | :09:12. | |
and if they can't do it, I will point it out to them. We have a few | :09:12. | :09:21. | |
practical examples then. From your experience, these spending | :09:21. | :09:27. | |
adjustments or changes coming in, what practical effect will it have | :09:27. | :09:32. | |
and where will local-authority is looked to save money? We saw the | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
report this week and the education minister will insist that money | :09:35. | :09:40. | |
goes to schools, quite rightly, to improve children's education. It is | :09:40. | :09:46. | |
difficult. Social services are demand led say you cannot Cup does. | :09:46. | :09:52. | |
What can you cut? The environment? The man you see picking up papers | :09:52. | :09:57. | |
might not be there in two years and roads will not be repaired and you | :09:57. | :10:01. | |
local libraries. Nobody can disagree with working | :10:01. | :10:04. | |
collaboratively but it was fascinating this week that a | :10:04. | :10:08. | |
Conservative MP pointed out that in Westminster there are 20 | :10:08. | :10:16. | |
departments of state, in Seiden, 12 and in the USA, 15 -- in Sweden. | :10:17. | :10:20. | |
Why isn't he suggesting restart a market-making departments in the | :10:20. | :10:25. | |
assembly. Conservatives believe in small government and they should be | :10:25. | :10:30. | |
shouting it from the rooftops but they are afraid of losing votes. | :10:30. | :10:35. | |
That is a valid debate, but crucially, what about the number of | :10:35. | :10:39. | |
local authorities in Wales which seems to be a mismatch. How does | :10:39. | :10:45. | |
that fit into the picture of the spending patterns? We need to see | :10:45. | :10:48. | |
greater collaboration with local authorities and making sure they | :10:48. | :10:54. | |
deliver for local authorities. of them? We have to look at a whole | :10:54. | :11:00. | |
range of governance in Wales and better consultation. What am saying | :11:00. | :11:03. | |
is that we need a model of government that delivers for the | :11:03. | :11:08. | |
people of Wales rather than delivering for the bureaucrats. | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
What model are you proposing? means a smaller type of local | :11:13. | :11:18. | |
government but I am not an expert on it. You have no idea how many | :11:18. | :11:22. | |
there should be? It has to be determined by the people who want | :11:22. | :11:27. | |
local government delivering for them and in our manifesto we will | :11:27. | :11:31. | |
put that forward. We will propose that and in 2016 we will put it to | :11:32. | :11:36. | |
the people of Wales and it will be up to them to vote. Thanks for | :11:36. | :11:40. | |
coming in. The Scarlets rugby region will soon be launching a new | :11:40. | :11:43. | |
heritage trail here at Parc Y Scarlets. Supported by Heritage | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
Lottery Fund money, it will tell people about the massive part rugby | :11:47. | :11:56. | |
has played in the history and culture of the area. And one of the | :11:56. | :12:00. | |
greatest memories will be the day in 1972 when Llanelli beat the All | :12:00. | :12:10. | |
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Some of us were lucky enough to be there. And, yes, I was there. | :12:15. | :12:19. | |
Unforgettable moments. But in the modern game, are the Welsh rugby | :12:19. | :12:23. | |
regions as important to the culture and story of their area as the | :12:23. | :12:29. | |
clubs before them? And just how big a challenge is it to run a | :12:29. | :12:31. | |
successful sporting business in such difficult economic times? | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
Joining me now is Mark Davies, the Scarlets' chief executive - | :12:34. | :12:43. | |
formerly a senior executive at Honda Europe. Great to be here. It | :12:43. | :12:48. | |
is several years since the move happened. How would you describe it | :12:48. | :12:54. | |
as a business and a club? As a business, it is a challenge because, | :12:54. | :13:00. | |
to put it starkly, the Scarlets play out their 16 days of the year | :13:00. | :13:05. | |
so the key for us, therefore, is how to use that overhead to | :13:06. | :13:13. | |
generate revenues throughout six -- 365 days of the year to ensure we | :13:13. | :13:17. | |
contribute to our performance on the field. Let us talk about the | :13:17. | :13:24. | |
relationship with the WI. If it works, things are Rosie but if not | :13:24. | :13:28. | |
it is difficult. What is it about the relationship that works today | :13:28. | :13:34. | |
and what needs a bit of mending? guess the first thing is it is a | :13:34. | :13:39. | |
working relationship and it is a working relationship with five | :13:39. | :13:47. | |
parties. They are five separate entities. That will always have | :13:47. | :13:57. | |
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some element of disagreement. different sites. If it takes time, | :14:10. | :14:17. | |
it takes time. Do you think people are fully sympathetic and are you | :14:18. | :14:23. | |
getting the support you need to thrive as a business? Were a stage | :14:23. | :14:31. | |
where the WRU understand and accept the dynamics of the regional as Mrs | :14:31. | :14:38. | |
as a result of the work put in by the PwC on the report that they | :14:38. | :14:45. | |
provided. That is a good start point. There is no debate now about | :14:45. | :14:50. | |
what those numbers are. There is no debate about the effort that has | :14:50. | :14:57. | |
gone end in all four regions to improve that model. To improve the | :14:57. | :15:02. | |
cost basis of the business, to the engage with the premiership clubs, | :15:02. | :15:06. | |
the semiprofessional clubs, to engage with the clubs through the | :15:06. | :15:14. | |
develop and pathways. I think there is an understanding of what the | :15:14. | :15:19. | |
business platform is now and that is the start point to see OK, that | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
might not make any of us comfortable, but it is what it is. | :15:23. | :15:31. | |
Let's try to move forward from there to find better solutions. | :15:31. | :15:33. | |
confident are you that the relationship with the WRU is | :15:33. | :15:39. | |
confident enough to allow you to make that progress? I think I have | :15:40. | :15:46. | |
to be confident of the relationship because there is nowhere else to go. | :15:46. | :15:56. | |
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We are absolutely in to rely on it so in that context we are partners. | :15:56. | :16:03. | |
We probably need to learn to be bitter partners on both sides a lot | :16:03. | :16:07. | |
of the time. Actually there is a belief and understanding on both | :16:07. | :16:11. | |
sides know that we have to work together better than we have done in | :16:11. | :16:17. | |
the past. Whatever structure be put in place to do that, that remains | :16:17. | :16:25. | |
the answer. When does that struck me to be in place? Yesterday would be | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
good. It is still a discussion and debate that we are having. We have | :16:30. | :16:35. | |
been having that discussion and debate for some time as you know and | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
we keep hitting little articles along the way but we are not giving | :16:39. | :16:47. | |
up. It is too important, too important for Welsh rugby. I cannot | :16:47. | :16:53. | |
give you a timescale, I wish I could. People will be watching | :16:53. | :16:59. | |
wondering if you are talking about months. I am talking about months. I | :16:59. | :17:05. | |
would like to be talking about weeks but realistically it will be months. | :17:05. | :17:10. | |
Now given the excellent news from us truly yesterday, hopefully that will | :17:10. | :17:17. | |
carry on in the weeks ahead. The are seeing are building up of the debate | :17:17. | :17:22. | |
on Scottish independence. That future settlement of the | :17:22. | :17:25. | |
Constitution in the UK will of course affect that season wheels | :17:25. | :17:32. | |
whatever happens. Some people think that the logic of this is a new | :17:32. | :17:42. | |
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federal subject for the United Kingdom. When it comes to the | :17:53. | :17:57. | |
newsletter written British constitution they there is nothing | :17:57. | :18:01. | |
new under the sun. Federal home rule under which each UK nation would | :18:02. | :18:08. | |
have its own parliament to deal with peculiar fears while returning | :18:08. | :18:12. | |
members to the supreme Parliament in London to dispose of imperial | :18:12. | :18:19. | |
concerns. Today, K at the Scottish parliament in Edinburgh and the rash | :18:19. | :18:24. | |
similar ceremonies in Cardiff and Belfast, the peculiar fears of | :18:24. | :18:34. | |
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Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are discussed. It certainly could | :18:34. | :18:37. | |
not be called federal, quiet I federal perhaps but not a formal | :18:37. | :18:44. | |
federation in the manner of Canada, the US or Germany and Switzerland. I | :18:44. | :18:47. | |
find this cutie is because I have long believed the federal United | :18:47. | :18:52. | |
Kingdom is the obvious solution to the constitutional flocks in which | :18:52. | :18:58. | |
the nations and regions currently find themselves. Public opinion in | :18:58. | :19:02. | |
Scotland and increasingly in England concurs, favouring upon me rather | :19:02. | :19:09. | |
than full independence. It would need stitching together. It would | :19:09. | :19:12. | |
build on existing constitutional architecture such as the Scottish | :19:12. | :19:16. | |
parliament here at Holyrood. It would also kill several birds with | :19:16. | :19:21. | |
one stone addressing the deficit of England and rebalancing the UK | :19:21. | :19:25. | |
centre of gravity while we constituting the house of lords to | :19:25. | :19:32. | |
provide a balance. Federalism remains that the a word in British | :19:32. | :19:36. | |
politics, ignored by the mainstream media and regarded as an almost | :19:36. | :19:46. | |
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alien concept by most UK politicians. A policy review was led | :19:50. | :19:55. | |
by summing S Campbell. I spoke to Willie Rennie about the policy of | :19:55. | :20:05. | |
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federalism. What would a federal Scotland and UK mean? Our proposals | :20:11. | :20:15. | |
might act as a trigger for other parts of the UK in the regions of | :20:15. | :20:20. | |
England and in Wales. It can mature the debate in Wales about more | :20:20. | :20:30. | |
powers. That is a really good thing. That is a good step in the right | :20:30. | :20:34. | |
direction. I think it is an unstoppable force. You will get | :20:34. | :20:38. | |
Wales demanding more as they get more. You might do something | :20:38. | :20:42. | |
different from what is happening in Scotland but that is the great thing | :20:42. | :20:49. | |
about the United Kingdom, you have got variety. This senior Scottish | :20:49. | :20:57. | |
Tory believes there is Scottish Conservative case for a federal UK. | :20:57. | :21:03. | |
The question is what do you do about England? You cannot have a federal | :21:03. | :21:09. | |
system where one component part has 85 cent of the population and the | :21:09. | :21:14. | |
overwhelming majority of the wealth. Until there is desire within parts | :21:14. | :21:20. | |
of England for greater demolition it is interesting to ask how federalism | :21:20. | :21:25. | |
will work. Boris Johnson in London is calling for greater powers in | :21:25. | :21:30. | |
London, perhaps that debate could stand up just a little. Even if | :21:30. | :21:36. | |
people in the North of England voted for regional assemblies a few years | :21:36. | :21:41. | |
ago I think growing interest in the counterbalance that the power of | :21:42. | :21:46. | |
wealth is in England. If we get England talking about this it is the | :21:46. | :21:52. | |
way to get it more on the agenda. And we do get Wales parity with the | :21:52. | :22:00. | |
Scottish Parliament? If the people of Wales are interested in doing | :22:00. | :22:10. | |
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that it is almost an unanswerable case. I think I US style or German | :22:10. | :22:16. | |
style federalism would not work in Britain. Another structure might. | :22:16. | :22:26. | |
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There will not be a neat solution to it. There is a halfway house. | :22:27. | :22:31. | |
Keller point is that some form of federalism is also the logical | :22:31. | :22:38. | |
conclusion of the SNP and Plaid Cymru vision of what independence | :22:38. | :22:44. | |
means no with services sheared and sovereignty ruled. True independents | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
such as that envisaged by 19th-century Nationalists will | :22:48. | :22:55. | |
longer exist. Only federalism can deal with the complex nuances of the | :22:55. | :23:01. | |
current debate. England might not want to be broken up into smaller | :23:01. | :23:10. | |
units. Vested interests in the house of lords might block reform. For | :23:10. | :23:16. | |
Unionists they badly need a constitutional vision for the whole | :23:16. | :23:21. | |
UK and federal home rule first visit more than a century ago is in need | :23:21. | :23:31. | |
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of a comprehensive the boot. With me now is the Labour key and the cheer | :23:35. | :23:45. | |
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of Plaid Cymru. What is federalism mean? What is your definition? | :23:46. | :23:50. | |
need to look at where we are now. We cannot just start with a blank sheet | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
because that is not what we have got. I think April in Wales have | :23:55. | :23:59. | |
there own views about how they think things should be done here. -- | :23:59. | :24:07. | |
people in Wales. Other countries have federalism models were you | :24:07. | :24:13. | |
having the same powers devolved for every single state. That is not | :24:13. | :24:20. | |
necessarily where we are starting from, it is quite the opposite. | :24:20. | :24:25. | |
England would be such a large power within any federation that it simply | :24:25. | :24:32. | |
would not work. You cannot have a federation unless you having that | :24:32. | :24:36. | |
they the same things dealt with by the Federated parts and exactly the | :24:36. | :24:40. | |
same things dealt with at the centre. The allowed issues we will | :24:40. | :24:45. | |
have to look at in the next few years as this moves forward, | :24:45. | :24:49. | |
particularly in the context of the referendum in Scotland and which | :24:50. | :24:55. | |
ever way that goes will change these islands forever. It cannot be right | :24:55. | :25:01. | |
for Welsh and Scottish MPs to carry on legislating on issues in | :25:01. | :25:11. | |
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England. There could be in altering of the balance in the UK, what then | :25:14. | :25:18. | |
happens to the notion of Wales and this structure? Does it just get | :25:18. | :25:21. | |
altered on even more to England or would you like to see something else | :25:21. | :25:28. | |
in those circumstances? One of the things that will arise as the | :25:28. | :25:33. | |
situation of England as well. Whether in or out it is always an | :25:33. | :25:38. | |
imbalance with England because it is the larger part. People are asking | :25:38. | :25:41. | |
are there some forms of devolution that we the appropriate in England | :25:41. | :25:48. | |
as well? We have seen an attempt in the north-east a few years ago which | :25:48. | :25:51. | |
fail on its face because people did not want additional layer is of | :25:51. | :25:58. | |
government. There is no appetite for that now. If you look at how London | :25:58. | :26:01. | |
has urged perhaps there could be an affinity with something like a | :26:01. | :26:06. | |
citystate. Perhaps there is an affinity with wanting services | :26:06. | :26:12. | |
delivered more locally and in different ways. The federal pattern | :26:12. | :26:18. | |
or the independent future, I was intrigued to see your colleagues the | :26:18. | :26:23. | |
other day seeing independence in your view had never been a project | :26:23. | :26:33. | |
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anyway. His perspectives are always interesting on these things. He was | :26:35. | :26:44. | |
seeing it is the federal pattern. For me, a federal model leaves the | :26:44. | :26:48. | |
voice of Wales in the hands of a federal UK which basically means | :26:48. | :26:53. | |
that boys will always be the voice of England and not Wales. In | :26:53. | :26:57. | |
negotiations with the European Union things have happened that were good | :26:57. | :27:01. | |
for the English economy over the years but not so good for Wales. The | :27:01. | :27:05. | |
key part will be what it will deliver for people. We have one of | :27:06. | :27:13. | |
the worst economies after 700 years of being part of this nation state. | :27:13. | :27:17. | |
People are poor and suffering, we need to negotiate directly with our | :27:17. | :27:22. | |
European neighbours and that is the problem for me and my party with | :27:23. | :27:29. | |
federalism. And what is your punch right now? What are your colleagues | :27:29. | :27:35. | |
telling you in Scotland? He lives a year to go and lots can change. | :27:35. | :27:38. | |
People are asking how it will affect them economically. People are | :27:39. | :27:44. | |
worried about Scotland going independent and possibly leaving is | :27:44. | :27:52. | |
their link. They are worried about what will happen at the end of the | :27:52. | :27:58. | |
day when people go into the ballot box. The money that will go into the | :27:58. | :28:08. | |
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pocket is what influences how the will vote. The problem for the no | :28:09. | :28:14. | |
campaign in Scotland is that it is all negative, it is all about fear | :28:14. | :28:22. | |
and what might go wrong. The yes campaign about the positive. I think | :28:22. | :28:26. | |
it is everything to play for. Our colleagues in the SNP are very | :28:26. | :28:30. | |
confident. You do not get politicians like Alex Salmond | :28:30. | :28:34. | |
putting forward referendums that they think they are going to lose. | :28:34. | :28:38. | |
My concern is how do we make sure the voice of Wales does not get | :28:38. | :28:46. | |
lost. There is a big job for journalists and the media to make | :28:46. | :28:52. | |
sure that does not happen. That is it for this week. Next we'll will be | :28:52. | :28:59. | |
in the Senned in Cardiff B. In two weeks time I will be talking to the | :28:59. | :29:02. |