27/01/2013 The Wales Report


27/01/2013

Tim Rogers examines the Welsh governement's tuition fees policy. Plus, should weight loss surgery should be more readily available on the NHS?


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Tonight, the tuition fees gamble, and warnings that the Welsh

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government's policy could damage universities. The economy has

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shrunk, is it time for another plan? Will football soon kick rugby

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into touch to become Wales's national sport? Rugby has become

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the sick man of Welsh sport. Welcome to a controversial game of

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two cards. -- too halves. Good evening, and welcome to a programme

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that looks at the issues to you in Wales, and the important decisions

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about our lives. It is a Welsh government flagship policy, and a

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buffer to the rise in tuition fees across the UK. Education experts

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are warning that the decision by the Education Minister to top up

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the amount paid by Welsh students through a grant, no matter where

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they study, is taking vital money away from Welsh universities. The

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number of Welsh students choosing to study outside of Wales is going

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up, while the number of students that choose to study inside Wales

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is going down. There are growing fears that the Government's policy

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After three years of academic grass, it is time to celebrate. Graduation

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day at Swansea University, just like anywhere else, is a

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recognition of achievement, a culmination of a journey. As we are

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reminded in the ceremony, a university education is not just an

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investment to shape a graduate's lives, once they become

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professionals, they are learning experience will help to shape our

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lives as well. They want future generations are graduates to be

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just as happy as -- and proud as they are here today. The prospect

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of debt means that celebrations are muted. Now that degrees are more

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expensive, the Welsh government will pick up the bill for graduates.

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The students started his medical course in Exeter last September. It

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was the first one way universities are charging higher fees. His

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course costs of �9,000 the AA, and five -- almost �9,000 here, and

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almost half of that is met by the Welsh government. Summer my sisters

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are studying writer now -- some of my sisters are studying, and it

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would not have been financially viable for me to do it. The course

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is very good, many people want to stay in England to practice,

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because they feel they are better resources. Able have better

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opportunities. It is a marketplace. When Welsh

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students due to leave Wales, their money goes as well. More than 7,000

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students crossed the border last year, more than the year before.

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They took with them an estimated �31 million. In Scotland, students

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to live there get all of their fees paid. Only if they go to a Scottish

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university. There has always been a question mark about the economic

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wisdom of giving students a free choice of whether they want to go,

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been given a subsidy. That does not happen in Scotland, and I can't

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think of any other countries that would do it. It is generous, but

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perhaps it is too generous. Welsh universities, the money

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leaving the country has a serious effect. There is only a finite

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amount of money in the part, money for fees, and money for grants

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given directly to universities for teaching and running buildings.

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More spent on fees means less bent on block grants. In 2012, the block

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grant funding was cut. What it means, indirectly, is that the

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money available for higher education in Wales is less than it

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would have been, it would be helpful to review the funding

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system for Welsh universities. We need to focus resources on where it

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is most needed, and where we are going to get the best value for

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money for the Welsh government, and the future prosperity Wales. There

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are students and their fees coming into Wales as well. Last year they

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brought in �60 million for Welsh universities. The big worry is that

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fewer English students are crossing the border. Numbers dropped by 17%

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in 2012. Forever variety of reasons, the number of students coming

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across the border has declined. -- for a variety. The calculations of

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how the flow of money is going may have to be revised. It means that

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the trends are falling application rates. If these trends continue,

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there will be serious repercussions. Are you surprised by the enrolment

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figures, and their friends? feared that this would happen. --

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trends. If the universities don't get stronger, they were not -- they

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will not attract students. Where are we heading with this policy?

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fear it is going into trouble. In spite of these warnings, a

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government rethink is not likely. The Welsh government has issued a

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statement saying, our policy on this is very clear to the next

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election. We're not going to change this. There is nothing in the

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figures to suggest we should. Everyone will be hoping they are

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right, the new figures showing applications for next year's

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courses are published this week. Only then will we have an idea if

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the sums are going to add up. Nobody expected good news on the

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economy, but it was worse than expected. Economic output fell by

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0.3% in 2012, and the UK may go into a third recession in four

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years. Manufacturing output fell by 1.5%, reinforcing the impression

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that the last year was a year of survival, not growth. There are

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still no immediate signs of prosperity returning to our

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factories, and high streets, anytime soon. There are now

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increasing calls, including from Nick Clegg and Boris Johnson for

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the Westminster government to change the strategy of public

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spending cuts, and to plough money into massive infrastructure

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projects. Would that work for Wales? Joining me is a former

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economic adviser to Margaret Thatcher. Thank you for coming in,

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the government has been cutting hard, they have been cutting deep,

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and eight they have been cutting fast? They have not been cutting as

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much as the Labour Party, or they have put themselves been -- they

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themselves have been saying. It has been quite a moderate series of

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cuts. Welfare spending has risen. If Boris Johnson is saying, hang on,

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we need to think again about this, we to invest in infrastructure, it

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just can't be about cutting? That is the problem. Infrastructure is

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an easy target, that criticism is reasonable. What is not reasonable

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is the idea that the British government can go ahead, and not

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worry about the deficit. We have one of the largest ones in the

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world, and we have to bring it down, the debt will spiral out of control,

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and we could get into a dangerous place. If you attack welfare, and

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benefit payments, you are going to have an effect on the economy.

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There is a whole section of the economy which is dependent on

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benefits? Economy is poorer as a result of the shock that has

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occurred. You cannot manufacture of riches in the economy. All we are

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talking about is the sharing of the austerity measures. Working people

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have been hit very hard by it. People on welfare benefits,

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obviously the pain of cuts has got to be shared pretty widely. You

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cannot let welfare rise by 6% in real terms. Multinationals like

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Starbucks are benefiting from not paying tax, you are suggesting that

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we should cut back on but their payments to the most vulnerable in

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society? There is no way you can let welfare romper away. We have to

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remember that Starbucks creates jobs. -- romp. They need sensible

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tax policies, business support, structure, they need to come to

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their senses over the regulation over the banks, that is killing

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credit. They need to get that going again, instead of going mad about

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regulating the banks, and piling up their costs. We need to get credit

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going. You are talking about what would benefit the Square Mile, the

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City, the south-east of England. There are two economies, there is

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that one, and the economy in Wales. That would benefit the people who

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have done pretty well on the last 30 years, the rest of us will be

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suffering was -- for sometimes? That is nonsense. This economy

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needs improvement to credit. We want to create growth in Wales, we

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don't want to increase handouts. The problem with government is that

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it has inherited a begin tartan that economy. It cannot afford it.

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-- entitlement economy. The fact that the matter raised, people in

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Wales don't have any jobs, they can't get any credit, they are

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absolutely on the floor, there are people who are suffering at the

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moment. Your recipe, you're ready, is good for the south-east, but how

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long would it be before Wales could recover under your plan? Wales is

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recovering at the same rate as everywhere else. The growth in

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employment is quite decent, nearly 2%. Wales is Sheringham that. You

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are painting the wrong picture. -- Wales is sharing in that. There are

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people who will be shouting at the television, come and live in my

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life. You are talking as an economist, bankers, profiteers have

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got us into this mess? Da is not really true. -- that is not really

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true. Changes in the world economy has affected us. We have to live in

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the world we are in, we have to adapt to that world, so does

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government. Ordinary people often feel that government should do more

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for them, but the problem is, they can look around, and see that the

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economy is in a bad state, because of the crisis. We'll have to adapt

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to these changes. Thank you very much.

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Here are some more disturbing figures, more than half of Welsh at

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-- adults are overweight, and we have some of the highest obesity in

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the UK are. The statistics show that the number of obese people in

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Wales lacks just behind that of the USA. What can be done to tackle the

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problem? Is surgery one of the solutions? Currently the criteria

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for surgery is different in England, patients only qualify if they have

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a higher body mass index, and they must show that they have more

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problems to qualify. One surgeon is calling for the threshold for the

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NHS funded surgery to be lowered. We will hear from him in a moment,

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he is a report. -- here's a report on a woman who tried dieting for

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years. She had to wait three years Life for me at 22 stone, 22.5, was

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very hard. I fell down the stairs twice because I could not see where

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I was going. These are things that people forget about. It is actually

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a disability as well when you are obese. I was classed as morbidly

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obese. I look like an elephant, don't I? I suppose I look like a

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hippo that way. Your confidence is just so low. It is in your feet.

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You just feel rubbish in yourself. You are at such a low ebb and the

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lower you feel, the more you eat for comfort. Even though you do not

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think you are eating much, you actually are. It is lovely when you

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go looking at the clothing that you have not had on in months. It is

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not a major operation. It is keyhole surgery and just because of

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that I have had a major life change. Every Tuesday I weigh myself to see

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what I have lost. Within the last five-and-a-half months I have lost

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5.5 stone. I am just absolutely over the moon. I am a totally

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different person. I am working. I am saving the NHS money. I am

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saving the council money. I am saving benefits money because I was

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on all that before. Now I suppose I am adding to the public purse,

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really. This is the size of a plate that I would eat normally, about

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four tablespoons, and I am full. A tour of beans does me three days.

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Marvellous. I get great value out of my foot now. I have had negative

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feedback from having a gastric sleeve done. I was quite shocked. I

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had an email from somebody saying to me, why don't you just shut your

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mouth and eat less and then lose weight? That was not the point.

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Give people the choice that are obese to have a life, to live, to

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come off these benefits and the NHS and everything else, by doing one

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simple operation. The operation is �20,000. Even that, I mean think of

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the long term. I have another 20 odd years working life. What am I

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paying back in with that? If I was to meet the people in Wales that

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have the say on who gets the operation and who does not, I would

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tell them to walk 10 miles in my shoes. At the end of the day, I

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think it is a right, I think it is everybody's right to live. Jenny

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cannon with some positive thinking. Joining me is Jonathan Berry, a

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consultant surgeon who carried out with operations at a hospital in

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Swansea. -- carries out weight loss operations. That look like a

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drastic operation but how effective is it? It is very effective. It is

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keyhole surgery and it removes a 2% of the stomach. It has a twofold

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action. -- 80% of the stomach. She will lose 60% of her weight over

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two years, but it is not so much just the weight loss, it is the

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improvement in diseases related to obesity. But it is quite an

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expensive procedure. What do you make of the opinion that somebody

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expressed, emailing her, by telling her not to eat so much? I disagree

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that it is expensive. We know that this kind of surgery is not just

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one operation but a number of operations, which pay for

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themselves in about two-and-a-half years. What I mean is that lots of

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people have issues with being overweight. We know with these type

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of operations that patients with diabetes, blood pressure issues, a

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multitude of issues associated with being overweight, they all go away.

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I sympathise with some arguments that these people should just go

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and eat less. However, if your vice is eating, much like smoking or

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alcohol, you can completely abstain from smoking or drinking alcohol,

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but we have all got to eat. Well, your solution might sound fine, but

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it is expensive at a time when the NHS is trying to find any way that

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it can to save money. Would it not be better to spend that money on

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prevention rather than an expensive cure? I completely agree. There are

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some public health strategies in place at the moment that believe

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that prevention is better than cure but that will not help my patients

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that are 25 stone, sitting at home. We all know that we should get off

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the bus one stop earlier, eat more fruit and fresh vegetables, but

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that is not the solution to these problems that the patients have.

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What are the criteria that should be used in Wales to decide whether

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a patient should qualify for the procedure that we saw in that film?

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When I was training in the surgery in England, if you were a patient

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with a body mass index of more than 40, that being a ratio of your

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height to wait, or the ratio of 35 with any issues like swollen ankles,

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you are eligible for this surgery. We have a bizarre situation in

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Wales where they have to have a body mass index of 50, twice the

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weight they should be, and have an controlled illnesses like diabetes,

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blood pressure and sleep apnoea. That clearly cannot go on. Would

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you so that they have to be parity between Wales and England? -- would

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you say? Certainly. We should move towards the English criteria. We

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should have 300 patients per year on a population of 3 million and we

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have 67, so there is catching up to do. Thank you.

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It is a moment that will live on in sporting history and it is

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incredible to think that it is 40 years ago to the date that this

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John Williams! Ryan Williams! John Dawes. Great dummy. Tom Davies. The

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Well, the try-scorer himself will be joining me to talk about but

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iconic moment and a very different sporting life. Four decades on, and

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it is football and not rugby drawing the big crowds to weekly

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matches in Wales, with the success of Cardiff city in the championship

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and Swansea's promotion to the Premier League. A question that

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once seemed unthinkable is now being asked. As football replaced

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rugby in the sporting hearts of the nation? Well, yes, according to one

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Welsh historian. He has been to his own theatre of dreams to tell us

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I think the time has come to face the fact that rugby has become the

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sick man of Welsh sport. We have got it wrong in terms of politics

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and administration. The focus has switched away from the clubs to the

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regions in a way that indicate that rugby is no longer catching the

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imagination of the people of Wales. There are some vibrant, lively

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clubs in Wales, like Party Brit. To be absolutely honest, the level of

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rugby in the Welsh Premiership is very poor indeed. The game has

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become tedious and boring. What of the international days? What are

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they now? The folk festival rather than imaginative in -- adventures

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that they once were. Football is a different kettle of fish. Everybody

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is talking about the game. In Singapore people are talking about

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Wayne Rooney, and of course of in that list is the Swansea. People

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are talking about Swansea around the world. Swansea being in the

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Premiership has taken Welsh sport to universal audience which has

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happened in an unprecedented way. Rugby, where are you? One

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consequence of this has been the whole nature of sporting

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conversation has changed in Wales. In the old days, we used to talk

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endlessly about the Welsh Rugby 15. We were always picking our dream

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team and we took great pride in spotting the new centre, the new

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back-row forward. It has all gone. Now we just talk about whether

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Bellamy will take City into the Premiership. Football no longer

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belongs to the fans in a bobble hats. Everybody is jumping on the

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bandwagon. If you know nothing about football, soccer, you can go

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to any social event, any dinner party at your peril. Those of us

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who grew up in the old days, when we stood with 5000 others, we know

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in our heart of hearts that the bubble might burst. The television

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money and foreign investment will go. But for the time being we have

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the festival of football, which has brought great players from all

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round the world to play in Cardiff and Swansea. What we must do at

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this vital moment is ensure that we invest in our own talent and

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produce our own stars. But the football culture that we are

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creating should be one of excellence, it should be home-grown.

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We must not just be spectators at this current feast of football.

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Joining me now is a rugby legend Gareth Edwards. First of all, we

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have to talk about that try. Did you think when you've scored it

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that you would be asked questions about it for the rest of your life?

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I was wondering if I would be asked questions about it after the game

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because I remember it was very early in the game. The only thought

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on mind and everybody else's minds was to beat New Zealand and I knew

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there would be a reaction. I thought it was vitally important to

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win the match but little did I think that at the time. I had a

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feeling from the noise of the crowd that maybe it had been something

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special, but I never thought for one minute that we would still be

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discussing it years later. It was not just special. It was

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inspirational, and not just for rugby players and supporters.

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Inspirational for sports men of all kinds. But picking up on that

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report, the suggestion is that a young generation now is being

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inspired by football and not by club rugby. That may very well be

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the case. I have enjoyed football all my life. I could have become a

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professional footballer. They ended up playing rugby, with no regrets.

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-- I ended up playing rugby. I enjoyed watching Swansea play this

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year and over the last years I have watched Cardiff City play. I like

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all sports in Wales. I don't care which side of the coin you on.

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you were a multi-talented sportsman as a young man, would you have made

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the same decision again? Would you go for rugby or football now?

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you are young, you do not think about money. Lots of people say

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that you want to play football because there is more money in it,

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but I don't think young children do that. I have grandson's that play

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rugby and soccer on the weekend, and they enjoy them both. I am

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encouraging them to do that. Nobody knows what the future is. Some

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children stop growing, so rugby, physical game, is not for them but

:27:31.:27:37.

football is. This is an old chestnut. We have discussed this

:27:37.:27:41.

over 30 or 40 years. When Wales beat Russia in the World Cup,

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soccer was the best game in Wales. When Wales did well winning the

:27:49.:27:53.

Grand Slam and the World Cup, rugby was the best game. Has regional

:27:53.:28:00.

club rugby inspired the following that soccer has got? I think that

:28:00.:28:04.

rugby per se needs to have a good look at itself. There is no doubt

:28:04.:28:08.

that there is excitement about soccer and the way it is played at

:28:08.:28:11.

the moment and of course there is the success that the local sides

:28:11.:28:17.

have had, Cardiff and song say, over recent years. That is a fact.

:28:17.:28:21.

-- Cardiff and Swansea. The regional game has not enjoyed the

:28:21.:28:26.

success that people had. They have not won the European Cup, which is

:28:26.:28:29.

possibly the stages by which we would be measured. But the Welsh

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national side has done extremely well. As much as I enjoy watching

:28:36.:28:40.

the national soccer side play, we have not won the World Cup

:28:40.:28:43.

qualifier never mind the World Cup. You have to compare like with like

:28:44.:28:49.

but that is difficult. Yes. We will all be rooting for Wales in the Six

:28:49.:28:54.

Nations. What is your tip? I think we can cause an upset. Everybody

:28:54.:28:58.

tends to think of Ireland as a favoured when they come to Cardiff,

:28:58.:29:05.

but I cannot see that. -- a favourite. It depends on injuries,

:29:05.:29:09.

no question, but if we can get some people back into the team, nothing

:29:09.:29:14.

will stop Wales. There will only ever be one Gareth Edwards. Thank

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you for joining us. That is it for the programme this week. You can

:29:18.:29:23.

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