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Tonight This Week goes to the races, as the Queen gets all dressed up

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for the sport of Kings, the Prime Minister and the coalition dump

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another pledge in the knackers' yard, nick Ferrari swaps Ascot for

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a top tip. The Government's U-turn on bins shows us that the political

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class really don't care about things that matter to us real

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people. The going's been tough at

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Westminster for Ed Miliband. How can he avoid being an also ran?

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Assessing his form, Andrew rapbsly. I have been tapping my contacts to

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find out whether there's a contract. And when the competition's fierce,

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how do you keep your nose in front? Superstar rapper Tinchy Stryder

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rides to our rescue. Only Only one way to reach the top. Think big and

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be ambitious, that's why I am on This Week.

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Saddle up, we are under starters Evening all. Welcome to This Week.

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A thoroughbred stallion among the horses of the Westminster stables.

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What a week for those of us bubbling with rage about the

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Olympic ticketing shambles. After the sad news that a certain Mr

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Michael Portillo had failed to secure tickets to the Greco-Roman

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wrestling we thought things couldn't get any worse, then it was

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reported that the Gaddafi regime, currently down in an underground

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bunker dodging NATO bombs, is in line for hundreds of tickets to all

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of'Mad Dog''s favourite events. The Government Strang into action, well,

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sort of squeezed into action, denying we would be seeing the

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dictators sat in the stands, with a Pepsi, hotdog and foam finger to

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wave at Dave. According to Downing Street a travel ban would prevent

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him from attending. Hang on, that implies they expect

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him to still be in power come next summer. Looks like we won't be in

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Tripoli next Christmas and Prince Harry will be flying his helicopter

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over north Africa. No doubt Boujiis will be opening a nightclub in

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Benghazi. Speaking of those who can't be trusted to get their story

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straight. Michael, your moment? Labour leader, Ed Miliband, came

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under a certain amount of pressure over last weekend, criticism and so

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on and there weren't that many Labour people on television to

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defend him. But I did notice there was one, and that was Diane Abbott.

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This was striking to me because over the eight years she was object

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on this programme you will remember how robustly she used to defend the

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leadership of the Labour Party week after week, but she was defending.

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I saw her on television. Apparently the reason is that the thing is a

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put up job by the Blairites. reason is she's got a job. But it

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also struck me that we had Alastair Campbell here last week and he is

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now the biggest donor to the Labour Party. So the alumni of this

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programme form the backbone of the Ed Miliband campaign. I hadn't

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thought about it like that, but you could be right. Your moment of the

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week? My moment was seeing in The Sun, not that I bought it, but

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seeing what - honest! Seeing what Tony Blair came out and said to Ed

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Miliband. He said two things, one of which was straightforward, which

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is that if you are going to have electoral success you have to

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dominate the centre ground, absolutely. The second was that he

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was supporting David Cameron's reforms on health and education

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that the parliamentary Labour Party are battling tooth and nail in the

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Commons, in the Lords, against so I just thought, it actually made my

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jaw drop a bit. Tony Blair has been so good at not being a back seat

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driver and it struck me to choose this particular week and this

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moment of all moments to come out. Smelling weakness, I suppose.

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he has a book to sell. If you don't buy The Sun, how did you see it?

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It's called the internet and it's caught on. It won't last, you know.

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We will see. Now, some basic rights are worth

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fighting for. The right to life, the right to liberty, the right to

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freedom of expression, and, of course, the right to put a curry in

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the bin and have it collected within seven days.

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Excuse me? Yeah, that's according to Eric Pickles, the cuddly

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Communities Secretary briefly said, it's a basic right for every

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Englishman and woman to put the remanents of their chicken masala

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in the bin without having to wait a fortnight for it to be collect. I

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thought there will be many remanents in Mr Pickles household

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in the bin. This week the Government rode over that plan.

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Nick Ferrari thinks the political class just doesn't get what really

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matters to the people who who elected them.

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# Whistle while you work... This week the Government trashed

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its pledge to bring back weekly bin collections because they say they

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didn't have the money. But in the same week they found �280 million a

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year to recommit to spending on aid to India. Whereas, stopping our

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bins overflowing with rubbish will cost �100 million.

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So, that's aid to a country that has its own space programme, its

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own aid programme to Africa and three times more billionaires than

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we have here in the UK. Look, I am not against helping out

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the world's poor, but David Cameron is throwing away tonnes of our

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money on policies people don't care about and scrapping things they do.

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When politicians come on my radio show I love it. My listeners, their

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voters phone in, and the politicians end up talking about

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scrapped bus routes and unfilled pot holes. That's because these are

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the things people really care about. They want their bins emptied. They

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want their children seen in under Politicians don't really get what

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people want because they don't live in the real world. Hardly any

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modern day politician has ever done a real job.

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They come straight out of university, get a job as a

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researcher for an MP, then a special advisor, and end up as MPs

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themselves. They become consumed and subsumed by all that's

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political and politics and they forget the wishes of the people who

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actually elected them. Politicians turn their noses up at

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populist policies but what's so wrong with following simple popular

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policies? Our elected leaders seem to think it's somehow beneath them

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but we, the pop louse, put them there in the first place. They

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should remember we could chuck them on the scrap heap. Nick looking

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rather fetching in his yellow vest picking his way through the pins --

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bins. Welcome to the programme. Good evening. Michael, do you think

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that was a load of rubbish? didn't think the first half was

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rubbish. I think Nick is absolutely right about collections. We

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absolutely have the right to expect this of our councils. Luckily, I

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live in a place, Westminster, where stparz -- as far as I know our rich

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is collected -- our rubbish is collected frequently. That's

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because you have a lot of rubbish. It's a middle-class district and

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they produce a lot of rubbish. The idea you have to go two weeks with

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rubbish is dreadful. I wasn't so much in agreement with Nick about

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the overseas aid. I mean, a lot of the aid is misdirected, there are

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problems with it, but it has been a noble ambition to take our country

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up to a level of generosity and commitment to the rest of humankind.

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There is something quite important in that and it's a big change for a

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Conservative-dominated Government, as well. Do you think in general it

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was a lot of rubbish. programme... Not the programme, his

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film. I agree with David Cameron on this issue of aid, he said we

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shouldn't actually make the poorest people in the world suffer as terms

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of our deficit reduction programme. I don't see why you can't collect

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your rubbish once a week. Move to Tower Hamlets, we are not a rich

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borough. Once a week our rubbish is collected. We probably get the

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plague if it wasn't, but it is done once a week. Maybe the problem with

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the Government when it comes - it had promised to take the bin

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collection, people want it, they promised we would get it, but it

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was going to cost money and this Government ain't got the money.

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hasn't got the money but that's one of the points in the film, it has

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the money for vaccination programme. I hear what the two say. I think if

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you were to get on the Clapham Omnibus or go to that Wandsworth

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recycling centre, and ask where do you want money spent, on this aid

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programme - they would say please look after us and that's my central

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point. It's far more exciting to be on the world stage talking about

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Obama and Bill Gates than clearing used curry cartons and that's what

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I believe senior politicians fall for. You would think as a rich

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nation - put aside the issue of a lot of foreign aid which Michael

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says many people think is wasted, the specific aid of vaccination for

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the poorest kids in the world surely shouldn't be in conflict

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with us getting a rubbish collected once a week? They should not be...

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One of the richest nations in the world. They're now saying the sums

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can't add up. One of the great benefits or the way Mr Cameron sold

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the aid programme is that it's cheaper than wars. Yet, we seem to

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be in two wars anyway, which seems to be expensive. So he's almost

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arguing against himself there. I would say perhaps come home and

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worry about the domestic side. There is a populism that works and

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one that doesn't. Think of Mrs Thatcher's sale of council houses,

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that was a popular measure, it worked, Labour adopted the policy.

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Fox hunting for Mr Blair's Government, which seemed to be

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popular with some people, and in the end just maybe wasn't worth a

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candle? Indeed. If you look at the overseas aid thing, it isn't the

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case that nobody was asking for it. MPs were under a lot of pressure

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from religious groups, and these people were active in campaigns, so

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actually I would say a lot of this is due to politicians having

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listened. In the case of the Conservative Party it was a bid to

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change the image of the Conservative Party to make people

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believe the party was no longer long self -- no longer selfish.

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It's a mute point as to what the cost has been of buying that

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limited change of image. The other thing is that when we talk about

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helping the very poorest people, people in the Labour Party that's

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what we believe, and we believe you should help the poorest people. It

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becomes complicated in this modern world where the poorest people

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don't live in the very poorest states. And that's the point.

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come back to how Andrew introduced it, it's a broken promise. I am

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sure you remember it and you know when you are out on the stump, the

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thing you are accused of you don't honour your promises and it's

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happened again. Eric Pickles, he is like the Daily Mail talisman and he

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promised that and all the time attacking Labour for broken

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promises and has just done... think nearly everybody expected the

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Government to break its promise on overseas aid which is a big promise

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and to our amaizement through thick and thin they're sticking with it.

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Politicians like political programmes, we spend most of our

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time talking about the economy, about debt, the deficit, wars and

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so on. Don't all politicians need a few populist arrows in their

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quiver? Absolutely. I remember in the 2005 campaign my office kept

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saying you have got to say cross rail is rubbish. Nobody wants it

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here because they're going to build in the area I was like, but it's

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not rubbish and they were like do you want to get elected or not.

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Every politician has to be populist to a degree or they will not win a

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election. The state the country is in at the moment is an accumulation

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of these populist gestures. The reason we spend more money than we

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take in in in taxes is we have bowed to pressures. It amuses me

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when people like the Archbishop of Canterbury attacks. You have to be

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careful if you want to be populist. Look at the Lib Dems and tuition

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fees. They thought that was populist going around every

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university, getting their photograph taken, signing it. That

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was classic populism and then they What were the odds of that? Most of

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the polls said there would abhung Parliament. Whoever had that idea?

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They must have been barking mad to allow that.

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There is a wider point on populist issues, issues that are genuinely

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popular with the public, the political elite on the left and the

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right can't afford to get too far away, be seen to be entirely out of

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sympathy with certain things that are populist? No. What Nick said in

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his film does reflect a genuine feeling in the country. Take the

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old chestnut of capital punishment. We know that the majority of the

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public wants capital punishment, but Parliament will never give them

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that, but capital punishment is the obvious thing. I'm not saying give

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them everything, but you can't afford to deny them everything?

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There is a gap between what the MPs are prepared to legislate and what

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the public would like them to legislate.

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So, is there a populist bone in Ed Miliband's body? I think there is.

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Look at what he said on Monday about council housing allocation.

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Not as populist as Ed Balls cutting VAT? That is more populist?

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Absolutely it is tax cuts coming from the Labour Shadow Chancellor.

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The populist Ed? That is not a bad thing.

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Give me a populist policy you would like to introduce Michael? I can't

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think of one at the moment. You see, you are so far removed!

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am in the clouds! It would be a council allocation, but actually

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saying that council housing is available to 20,000 people on the

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Tower Hamlets waiting list. That would be populist.

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That would be popular. What about you, Nick? David Cameron

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to deliver on his pledge of a British Bill of Rights.

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That would be fantastic. I love it when the politicians meet the

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public and he got shouted at by a hospital consultant. It always

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happens. They either have eggs happen -- thrown at them. I quite

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welcome that. Thank you very much, Nick Ferrari.

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Now, do you suffer from Fear Of Missing Out? FOMO? Do you wish you

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didn't, do you even know what the hell I'm talking about? I hope so,

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I don't. For those of you who decided enough to care it is the

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latest in idiot speak. Basically, it is Fear Of Missing Out.

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The looming dread that everyone is everywhere, having the time of

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their lives and you are not! But worry not, coming up, putting all

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of your FOMO at rest, starring in the This Week Hood, the one and

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only Tinchy Stryder. If you really want to talk fear, loathing and

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bitterness and bile as well, you will feel at home on the viewers'

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comments on the internet. Which Oona says will be the view of the

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future. And there is always the stream of

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conscious drivel, otherwise known as Twitter.

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After all, you have a lot of time on your hands. Earlier we had a

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request from the Labour Party. It was more of a plea. Ed Miliband

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asked us to please, please, please, please, please stop treating his

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life like some kind of soap opera. To end the creaseless tittle-tattle

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surrounding him and brother Dave. So, title tat al? That's all we do

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on this programme! Any way, we can be serious. Here at the BBC we take

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these complaints seriously. So instead of Ed Miliband, the soap

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opera, tonight, Andrew Rawnsley presents, Ed Miliband The Mobile

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phoney Part Deux! -- Ed Miliband The Movie Part Deux! Are you

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tempted to think, it would have been easier if my brother had won?

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I never thing that. Being the head of a political

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family, Ed Miliband is discovering just what a lonely job that is.

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He was ruthless enough to whack his older brother to become Labour boss

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of all of the bosses, but as some of us warned at the time, that was

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actually, the easy bit. His personal poll ratings are poor.

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Labour's recent election performances have been

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disappointing in southern England and disastrous in Scotland. Many of

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the Shadow Cabinet appear to have sworn the code of silence, at any

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rate, they never have anything interesting to say. So lately the

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foot soldiers have begun to rumble, as Don Ed Miliband got the stones

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to take down the coalition, would Labour be letter led with the

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brother that he sent to sleep with the fishes.

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David supports my leadership. He made a decision, when I was elected

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last year, to say he was not to serve for the moment in the Shadow

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Cabinet. Well, of course, the troubled Don

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wants to ice all of this beefing about his leadership and he is not

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wrong to say that voters will ultimately judge him by whether he

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has inspirational vision and plausible policies, but part of

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Labour's problem is that they have neither. That leaves the vacuum for

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thewise guys of the media to bring up the brothers fractured past.

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Actually, I exaggerate a bit, David is not dead.

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I am making my position clear. I am taking my kids to school.

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That speech was about respect. He said that Labour had lost it by

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being seen as the friend of benefit cheats and wreck last bankers.

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Don Eduardo was trying to convince us he has what it takes to confront

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hard trus. Respect, you got to give me more

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respect! Labour a party founded by hard-working people, for hard-

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working people was seen, however unfairly as the party of those

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ripping off our society. So my party must change.

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He wasn't the only one trying to seize a piece of the bank action.

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The money man of a rival outfit was also trying to get some juice.

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I can announce tonight on behalf of you, the British taxpayer, I have

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decided to put Northern Rock up for sale. Images of the queues outside

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of Northern Rock branches were a symbol of all that went wrong. Its

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collapse did great damage to Great Britain's international reputation.

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We will see if the Chancellor has the mus toll do a proper bank job.

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So far, the banks have been more successful as squeezing the rest of

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us. Back to Don Eduardo, who did win back some respect with an

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improved performance at Prime Minister's Questions.

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I'm amazed that the Prime Minister does not know about the arguments?

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Why not. The House of Commons is voting on the bill tonight. He

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should know about the arguments. Will he now admit that 7,000 cancer

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patients are losing up to ds -- losing up to �94 are a week. There

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are proper med kaing tests. -- medical tests. We ensure that those

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who can work have to go out to work so that we don't award bad

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behaviour. What a disgrace. To describe

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talking about cancer patients in this country as a smoke screen.

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Health has caused months of grief for the boss of the Blue Mob. Turf

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warfare with the yellow mob. Tory MPs feeling they have been ratted

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out. Worst of all for Cappo Cameron it

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added suspicion that the Tories want to shake down the NHS to the

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benefit of their cronies in the private sector. So he rushed to

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hospital and claimed that the revised plan had the professionals

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back on side. You wanted us to make clear that competition is not there

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for its own sake, but to make life better for patients. Done. You

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wanted us to get specialists and nurses, not just GPs, on to the

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commissioning groups. Done. Excuse me I'm the senior consult

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ant in this department. Why are you here like this? I agree. We have

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taken our ties off. I'm not having Didn't you just love the look of

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shock and fear on their faces when that surgeon ruined their photo

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opportunity. That's what it's like at the top,

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you just never know who's going to whack you next.

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:26:30.:26:37.

Let's go. Oh, scary! But not as scary as that

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consultant, he was clearly anxious to have his 15 minutes of fame. Any

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way, Ed Miliband's owe bit wares have been written last week and

:26:48.:26:58.
:26:58.:26:58.

over the weekend, but then he had a comeback at Prime Minister's

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Questions? He did do. This is not the first Prime Minister not to

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know a detail and to have to filibuster, but Ed Miliband's

:27:08.:27:12.

fundamental problem is the split in the Labour Party. It is the age-old

:27:12.:27:18.

war between the brownites and the Blairites. There are -- the

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Brownites and the Blairites. There are too many people in the Labour

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Party, who don't want him to succeed.

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Now, Oona, you voted for him, but you must say that he has to up his

:27:34.:27:39.

game? Over the lifetime of a Parliament, five years, you can

:27:39.:27:44.

have consistent victories at PMQs and it means nothing at all at the

:27:44.:27:46.

general election. As William Hague found to his cost.

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But William Hague was never to win the next election. He was up

:27:51.:28:00.

against 165 -seat labour majority. But Labour is in striking distance

:28:00.:28:03.

of winning the next election. Absolutely.

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That is why we think we shall win it, but what Ed showed today is

:28:07.:28:15.

that he used PMQs to do what he needed to do. Heather to dig a hole,

:28:15.:28:19.

which is what he did last week, or to do what he did today and draw a

:28:19.:28:24.

line. They love that. It keeps the sharks at bay. It was like a scene

:28:24.:28:29.

out of Jaws. What he did yesterday was to get back in the boat. His

:28:29.:28:35.

feet are out of the water and he is aif, absolutely safe for now for --

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and he is safe, absolutely safe for now for seven days.

:28:40.:28:46.

He did get back in the boat, but he looks lonely. Does he have solid

:28:47.:28:52.

support in the Shadow Cabinet? Does he have a strong kitchen Cabinet

:28:52.:28:58.

around him? Well, I know various people that work in his office. I

:28:58.:29:03.

know that many of the Shadow Cabinet team that are there feel

:29:03.:29:08.

that we are in a good position because we feel we could have been

:29:08.:29:12.

in such, in a much worse position. That's the feeling that we have. We

:29:12.:29:16.

think that we can, we are going to be in a position to inflict damage,

:29:16.:29:22.

but you are right, there should be consistency there. It was a really,

:29:22.:29:27.

really huge warning shock last week as it was followed up by a series

:29:27.:29:31.

of events. When you get that flow of events going against you, it was

:29:31.:29:34.

that. But has he got the right people

:29:34.:29:38.

around you? You are asking me if I have confidence in the Shadow

:29:39.:29:44.

Cabinet. Are they rubbish or pretty good. I think that they are pretty

:29:44.:29:49.

good. People like Douglas Alexander. Ed Balls.

:29:49.:29:54.

In a sense, he can't choose that in the Labour Party, the way that a

:29:54.:29:57.

Tory opposition would. I was thinking of having the right people

:29:57.:30:02.

around him. The pret otherian guard that's around him. Some of whom may

:30:02.:30:07.

be the Shadow Cabinet, but others, the Alistair Campbells and the

:30:07.:30:14.

Peter Mandelson's of the Blair era has he that kind of quality around

:30:14.:30:22.

him? Some of them, Around him. But they are there in the mental

:30:22.:30:26.

capacity? He has excellent people working for him, who I have worked

:30:26.:30:30.

for before, who I have ever confidence in. The stuff he did.

:30:30.:30:37.

The speech he did on Monday, the people that helped him that was a

:30:37.:30:41.

skilfully crafted, political... should get the credit for that?

:30:41.:30:47.

not starting to name names here. Why not? I wouldn't, why? Also,

:30:47.:30:50.

there are three people in particular that I know were

:30:50.:30:55.

involved, I have no idea who else was in was involved but what is

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important is the substance of it, not who wrote which bits. Ed had

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his hallmark firmly over it. It is about balance. What he is saying

:31:08.:31:10.

about New Labour it got out of balance. We were seen as caring

:31:10.:31:14.

about the people on the bottom, not taking notice of what was happening

:31:14.:31:19.

to the people, the wages at the top end. This speech is about putting

:31:19.:31:29.
:31:29.:31:33.

How should he deal with the David Miliband problem? Very, very

:31:33.:31:36.

difficult, because as I said a moment ago, I think he's got a lot

:31:36.:31:39.

of people in the Labour Party who don't really want him to succeed

:31:39.:31:43.

and even if David... You really think there's still so embittered

:31:44.:31:47.

by David not getting it they don't want Labour to succeed? I think

:31:47.:31:50.

it's not just about David not getting it, it's also that he is

:31:50.:31:55.

leading the Labour Party to the left, whereas the Blairites believe

:31:55.:31:59.

their fundamental achievement was to move to the Labour Party to the

:31:59.:32:04.

centre ground where it could win elections and as Oona said earlier

:32:04.:32:07.

on the criticism that's coming actually out of Blair's mouth

:32:07.:32:11.

himself, is that what Ed Miliband is now embarked upon is a losing

:32:11.:32:15.

strategy and a losing strategy that destroys, that tears up the

:32:15.:32:18.

achievements of the previous 20 years. The reason I think it's

:32:18.:32:22.

interesting what he is doing is he is trying to move the centre ground

:32:22.:32:25.

to what he was talking about on Monday and that's what a leader has

:32:25.:32:29.

to do. He's got to lead people to change where the centre ground is

:32:29.:32:33.

and that's what Tony Blair did after Margaret Thatcher. Would it

:32:33.:32:39.

be better for Ed and for the Labour Party, in general, if David was

:32:39.:32:44.

back in the shadow cabinet or just get out of politics altogether?

:32:44.:32:48.

definitely don't want to see David get out of politics. I think he is

:32:48.:32:53.

an extraordinary talent. Should he be back in the shadow cabinet?

:32:53.:32:57.

Being completely honest... That would be useful on this sofa!

:32:57.:33:03.

Doesn't happen very often. It will be incredibly difficult for David

:33:03.:33:06.

to be sitting around the table because every time he sneezes

:33:06.:33:11.

there'll be saying Ed has flu. can see that. I would like to see

:33:11.:33:17.

him come back as Prime Minister after, you know. This new biography

:33:18.:33:22.

of Ed Miliband by the two Labour supporting journalists, one of the

:33:22.:33:27.

things they seem to concentrate on, he - it would have been better if

:33:27.:33:31.

he had a more colourful youth, more like the rest of us had. You were

:33:31.:33:37.

at school with him, I mean, he probably be a more vibrant leader

:33:37.:33:40.

if you just led him astray at school. We didn't hang out that

:33:40.:33:44.

much. You were the cool kids. look, he is the one that's going to

:33:44.:33:47.

end up running the country. I say to all kids out there, don't be

:33:47.:33:50.

cool. Be clever. Become Prime Minister. You don't feel some

:33:50.:33:53.

responsibility for this image he has? Not yet, no. You could have

:33:53.:33:57.

saved the day early on. Early intervention. Last time you were on

:33:57.:34:01.

this programme you believed in early intervention. I do believe in

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early intervention and... I am only teasing you. Monumental climbdown?

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Yeah, I read the article this morning about Alan Milburn. Former

:34:17.:34:22.

Health Secretary. It wasn't the car crash bit that struck me, it was

:34:22.:34:28.

where he said that the group called Monday store, -- Monitor which is

:34:28.:34:32.

going to drive the direction of the health service now is being told

:34:32.:34:35.

not to look for competition but look for integration and he makes

:34:35.:34:39.

the point, he says in the health service words really matter and

:34:39.:34:42.

what this means now is all the vested interest, all the public

:34:42.:34:46.

sector organisations are going to be defended tooth and nail against

:34:47.:34:52.

incursions by the private sector. I fear that's a correct analysis and,

:34:52.:34:56.

of course, the Government hasn't avoided the National Health Service

:34:56.:34:58.

problem, it's created a different one. The Government is looking to

:34:58.:35:01.

save, as the previous Government was, �20 billion from the health

:35:01.:35:04.

service, you are not going to save it without reform and if you don't

:35:05.:35:07.

save it because you haven't reformed, then you are going to

:35:07.:35:10.

have to find it somewhere else. Thank you.

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We need to move on. We lack many things here on This Week, as you

:35:15.:35:25.
:35:25.:35:26.

probably realised, a Blue Nun sew tka syphon, soft loo paper in the

:35:26.:35:30.

men's room, the list is scarrily endless. The one thing we do not

:35:30.:35:35.

lack is a sense of ambition. After all, who else unless they were a

:35:35.:35:39.

few fries short of a happy meal, would allow Michael Portillo to

:35:39.:35:44.

parade his dubious taste in politics and satin shirts live on

:35:44.:35:48.

BBC1 every week? Not many, I would would wager. With this act of

:35:49.:35:53.

charity and indulgence in mind, and with the aid of superstar rapper

:35:53.:36:03.
:36:03.:36:06.

Tinchy Stryder, we decided to put ambition in This Week's Spotlight.

:36:07.:36:10.

This is Tinchy Stryder, a man who made it big by following his

:36:10.:36:15.

ambition to be a rap star. While some reach for the stars, others

:36:15.:36:18.

fail even to reach for their books. Michael Gove thinks pupils need to

:36:18.:36:22.

have ambitions to achieve academically, as not everyone can

:36:22.:36:27.

be famous. Some people become well known for all the wrong reasons.

:36:27.:36:33.

This Congressman had to resign after revelations in his personal

:36:33.:36:37.

life thawarted his ambitions. For others, aspirations doesn't stop

:36:37.:36:40.

when you achieve success in your chosen field. Bill Gates has turned

:36:40.:36:47.

his attention from computers to saving the world. Sadly, some

:36:47.:36:57.
:36:57.:36:58.

people's dreams stretch no further than going on This Week.

:36:58.:37:04.

These graphics, I bet Dreamworks is eating its heart out, or Pixar!

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Welcome to the show, Tinchy Stryder. Are you ambitious. Yeah, I'd say.

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Was it in you from the start or were you taught to have it? It was

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in me, at the same time I was taught in a way but when I started

:37:20.:37:24.

I felt I want to do this, I need this. Those different things to

:37:24.:37:28.

drive me but I think ambition comes from the heart and me personally it

:37:28.:37:32.

came from the heart. And did you inherit it? Do you think it came

:37:32.:37:36.

from your parents or was it just in you? I think partly from my parents

:37:36.:37:41.

and people around me, family, friends. But I say it really came

:37:41.:37:44.

from within me. I felt there's things I wanted to achieve and do

:37:44.:37:51.

in life and day by day I always see things that keep me driven. I guess

:37:51.:37:54.

coming up from a good family, a good home there's always people

:37:54.:37:59.

around me feel like you can do this, man so that was driving me. There

:37:59.:38:05.

weren't family or friends or people in the neighbourhood or the

:38:05.:38:11.

teachers saying, no, you can't do that? You are too ambition. In a

:38:11.:38:15.

way say things I wanted to do, people were like maybe that ain't

:38:15.:38:18.

for you, do this or that. I was like this is what I want to do. I

:38:18.:38:23.

guess like you are saying in my area, where I grew up that was like

:38:23.:38:28.

a drive in itself, we didn't have nothing good around us and I wanted

:38:28.:38:32.

to turn it into a positive. The neighbour helped me grow. And it

:38:32.:38:37.

worked. It definitely worked. you ambitious? Sort of, but I would

:38:37.:38:42.

give a different answer. In my case, I think most of my ambition was

:38:42.:38:45.

external. It was really important when I got to school and people

:38:45.:38:49.

were saying you are clever, you can get into a grammar school, you can

:38:49.:38:54.

get into Cambridge University. I don't think I would have - I don't

:38:54.:38:57.

think I would have necessarily assumed those things for myself. I

:38:57.:39:01.

feel sorry for kids who are discouraged from attainment, who

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are led to believe - who reduced expectations. Are you ambitious?

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used to be incredibly ambitious as a teenager. But it just got beaten

:39:11.:39:16.

out of me. A decade in parliament definitely did for that. I love

:39:16.:39:21.

where you come from, mainly because I live there now. It's easier now,

:39:21.:39:27.

it's a bit easier but there's... What do you mean? It's become a

:39:27.:39:31.

more prosperous area? In some areas the standard of education -

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education is a route out for a lot of people, sport is, music is.

:39:37.:39:43.

everybody can be a rap star or a football player or whatever. How do

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you instill ambition in young people, from the area you were

:39:47.:39:50.

brought up, to think they could be a school teacher, they could be a

:39:51.:39:55.

doctor, they could be a lawyer, they could be in the media? I think

:39:55.:39:57.

personally, from where I have come from, when there's people around

:39:57.:40:05.

you, for example, if you look at me and I grew up and he was doing the

:40:05.:40:09.

same thing we are doing and he is making it. That is a drive to be

:40:09.:40:13.

ambitious. You might want to be a a teacher, a footballer, whatever it

:40:13.:40:18.

is there's always someone you look up to and I guess if you can relate

:40:18.:40:22.

to them more. My example, people think yeah he used to be around

:40:22.:40:26.

here and he is doing this. When you were growing up were the other kids

:40:26.:40:32.

in your area ambitious or were you different in being ambitious?

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group of friends was all ambitious and we are still tight now. We were

:40:36.:40:40.

friends before music. It feels like that's where the drive is from,

:40:40.:40:45.

everyone is positive around me. They're like you can do this, don't

:40:45.:40:49.

be narrow-minded. Open up and from young I have always had that.

:40:49.:40:54.

you know how ambitious he is, he got a single and named his single

:40:54.:40:58.

Number One before it even entered the charts and it went in as Number

:40:58.:41:02.

One, that's ambitious. He is the first UK artist... New York, New

:41:02.:41:06.

York, that was how it worked. That's a good point about a group

:41:06.:41:12.

of friends. That's played a big part in my life. I have just read

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Keith Richards autobiography and it's clear that group of Jagger and

:41:16.:41:21.

he and the others together, it's that group dynamic. Peer pressure

:41:21.:41:25.

the other way, especially in Bow, you know, it can be really bad and

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even today it can be really bad. I speak to young kids, they're in

:41:28.:41:32.

gangs, they're dealing with drugs problems. There are huge issues.

:41:32.:41:35.

They need support and role models and if you can bring that together

:41:35.:41:39.

with a good education system they can get out. You said you used -

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unlike Tinchy Stryder and myself you two are getting on a bit, does

:41:44.:41:48.

it change with age? I think it depends what you do with your

:41:48.:41:53.

career. For me personally I think I failed in some areas. I think I did

:41:53.:41:56.

OK in others. I realised that I wanted kids, like a lot of women,

:41:57.:42:00.

that was more important to me at the end of the day than spending

:42:00.:42:04.

every hour with someone like you. I am not sure if that's good or

:42:04.:42:09.

bad! It does change with age, doesn't it? You lose an ambitious

:42:09.:42:14.

edge in most things. Yes. entirely. You are so different. You

:42:14.:42:21.

are not the man that I grew up with. That's character. He was ambitious

:42:21.:42:26.

before, he was going to be Prime Minister. Can I have a word on this

:42:26.:42:34.

subject! I don't think so. We are bored with you already.

:42:34.:42:40.

Right, - we will take it that it does change with age. What's your

:42:40.:42:45.

ambition now? Right now I have loads of things. A new album out.

:42:45.:42:51.

have a new album out, my single is out. If I like to think wider now,

:42:51.:42:57.

I like to sell out a world tour. I have had a tour in the UK but to

:42:57.:43:00.

have a world tour that's massive success. Jeremy Paxman asked me to

:43:00.:43:05.

ask you how is your friend Mr Ras kal. He is cool. He is someone

:43:05.:43:10.

growing up, someone that used to inspire me. We were in the same

:43:10.:43:16.

area, he done so much and he is focused. He is cool. Tell

:43:16.:43:21.

everyone... Stop this. What's your ambition now? To sleep through the

:43:21.:43:28.

night without being woken up by my kids and to get Britain to really

:43:28.:43:32.

adopt early intervention, seriously. That's for the country, not for

:43:32.:43:37.

yourself. What's your ambition? go on working and enjoying myself

:43:38.:43:42.

for as far as I can see into the future. You might achieve that. Now,

:43:42.:43:46.

the world is politics is no different from the world of rap

:43:46.:43:51.

music. There are - there are players, see we are soul mates, and

:43:51.:43:57.

there are haters and there are player-haters, I think. Old school

:43:57.:44:01.

rockers such as myself we have always been fans of political rap

:44:01.:44:06.

music and Tinchy Stryder is with us, so don't hate the player, hate the

:44:06.:44:09.

game. With a This Week rap quiz, hit it.

:44:09.:44:18.

OK. Are these rap lyrics genuine or not?

:44:18.:44:23.

Got a bum education, I can't take the train to the station, there's a

:44:23.:44:31.

trick at the station. Not. It's true. Grandmaster Flash. See what I

:44:31.:44:35.

have to live with. He used to be an MP, now he is chilling on This Week,

:44:35.:44:43.

he loves wearing speedoes, along with his libido? Not genuine.

:44:43.:44:49.

That's false. It's definitely false. I wrote these words. OK, what about

:44:49.:44:56.

this? Andrew Lansley tosser, the NHS is not for sale... That's true,

:44:56.:45:02.

I have seen that on YouTube. It's the internet again, that thing.

:45:02.:45:12.
:45:12.:45:15.

think if that's true, there's a problem. You are right. It's true.

:45:15.:45:20.

He is the man. That's your lot for tonight. But not for us, we have

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