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The stars are are out. Join us for Political Stargazing Live. | :00:19. | :00:22. | |
On planet Westminster, the Prime Minister and his deputy return to | :00:22. | :00:28. | |
work. The Daly Mail's, Quentin Letts, studies a galaxy of | :00:28. | :00:33. | |
coalition claims. Earth to coalition. The Government | :00:33. | :00:37. | |
is in mid-term and it is time to apply the rocket boosters. We will | :00:37. | :00:42. | |
be calling them direct from our stewed studio. Join us later for | :00:43. | :00:46. | |
the great link up! The Government is worrying about | :00:46. | :00:53. | |
the cost of benefits and feeling the -- filling the deficit black | :00:53. | :01:01. | |
hole. Janet Street Porter has gone into orbit. | :01:01. | :01:11. | |
As the PM accuses UKIP members of being space objects, we look at the | :01:11. | :01:14. | |
creatures from the political universe. | :01:14. | :01:19. | |
Well, Andrew don't hop into your space suit too quickly. You are so | :01:19. | :01:28. | |
normal, you are almost a freak! Look up in the sky, we can see | :01:28. | :01:34. | |
Uranus. Oh, evening all. We can to This | :01:34. | :01:42. | |
Week. Our first offering of the New Year and as I fight back the non- | :01:42. | :01:47. | |
existent tears, I I can't believe I am saying these words - this is our | :01:47. | :01:51. | |
tenth anniversary show. The clue is in the balloon. Yes, our tenth | :01:51. | :02:01. | |
anniversary show. Filling the cultural void between David Bowie | :02:01. | :02:04. | |
albums. Baffling to anyone who pays the licence fee, which includes | :02:05. | :02:14. | |
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some of you watching, it is a decade since the yen the Yentobs | :02:20. | :02:27. | |
decided that it was bliss. With the name of This Week, the product of | :02:27. | :02:30. | |
multiple focus groups and away weeks in the Maldives. So fuelled | :02:30. | :02:39. | |
by a diet of of cheap German wine and and cheap shot at our political | :02:39. | :02:44. | |
masters, it wasn't long before we were ignored by viewers the length | :02:44. | :02:52. | |
and breadth of the nation and the lack of luxuriesries like a descent | :02:52. | :03:00. | |
set, a descent presenter, we managed to funnel enough money to | :03:00. | :03:10. | |
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where it really mattered, Diane Abbott's private school fees. I am | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
joined on the stained ten-year-old sofa by two men who do what it says | :03:15. | :03:25. | |
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on the tin! Think of them as the Heinz tomato soup. I speak of | :03:26. | :03:36. | |
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hashtag man on the left and sad man That's the programme budget gone in | :03:43. | :03:52. | |
one blast! Michael, your moment of the week? Mr Barroso, a what is one | :03:52. | :03:57. | |
of two men who claim to be president of Europe. He claimed the | :03:57. | :04:03. | |
your owe is now safe. -- euro is safe. It is unwise of politicians | :04:03. | :04:06. | |
to predict what will happen to currencies because markets have a | :04:06. | :04:10. | |
way of undoing their best intentions, but I thought it would | :04:10. | :04:14. | |
be of a consolation to know that the euro is out of the woods for | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
those 27% of Greeks who are now unemployed. Greece today over took | :04:18. | :04:23. | |
Spain in the number of unemployed, 56% of their youth are unemployed, | :04:23. | :04:31. | |
15% of the youth in Spain are unemployed, but it is good to know | :04:31. | :04:39. | |
that for the idealist that the European currency is safe. | :04:39. | :04:46. | |
Your moment of the week? My moment of the week is a footballer playing | :04:46. | :04:50. | |
for AC Milan in a friendly. A big section of the crowd were hurling | :04:50. | :04:54. | |
racial abuse at him. Nice people. He kicked the ball into the crowd. | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
Took his shirt off and walked off the pitch. That happened a couple | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
of times before. What was unique, the rest of the team followed him | :05:02. | :05:10. | |
and half the stadium applauded them off. It was, I think think, a great | :05:10. | :05:19. | |
moment, Seb Sepp Blatter said, "You shouldn't runaway. What that player | :05:20. | :05:24. | |
has done is more than Sepp Blatter has done in a hole career. | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
It was interesting that the crowd applauded. And the team walked. | :05:28. | :05:33. | |
And the team walked with them. was only a friendly. | :05:33. | :05:37. | |
Now, the coalition says cutting the deficit means hard choices and | :05:37. | :05:41. | |
tough decisions including cutting the benefits to the needyest and I | :05:41. | :05:45. | |
say quite right, there are more important things to spend our tax | :05:45. | :05:52. | |
money, take example the railways minister, Simon Burns. He is | :05:52. | :05:57. | |
responsible support above inflation price rises. He commutes from his | :05:57. | :06:05. | |
home in Essex using his chauffeur driven car an an rather than using | :06:05. | :06:12. | |
the cramp trains and it only costs �85,000 a year. It does make it | :06:12. | :06:15. | |
harder to convince well off pensioners for example, of which | :06:15. | :06:20. | |
there are many these days, to give up their benefits benefits without | :06:20. | :06:26. | |
a fight at the next election. We asked Janet Street Porter to give | :06:26. | :06:36. | |
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us her bus pass, but she gave us I am a pensioner and a working one | :06:45. | :06:52. | |
at that. For a long with millions of over 60s like me up and down the | :06:52. | :06:56. | |
country, I am enjoying the benefits of old age. A pension, winter fuel | :06:56. | :07:01. | |
allowance, a Freedom Pass for the buses and trains and most of all, | :07:01. | :07:11. | |
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my senior rail card and so I bloody well should. | :07:13. | :07:19. | |
I have worked hard all my life. I am a striver. Not a shirker. So why | :07:19. | :07:23. | |
shouldn't I enjoy a fuel State funded benefits in the autumn of my | :07:23. | :07:28. | |
years? After all, I've paid for them. Now in the week when the | :07:28. | :07:32. | |
Government decided to scrap child benefit for the richest 15% in the | :07:32. | :07:36. | |
country, it seems they might have pensioners in their sights next. It | :07:36. | :07:40. | |
is said that after the next election, they are talking of | :07:40. | :07:47. | |
taking away some of our benefits. The Government seem to be listening | :07:47. | :07:52. | |
to critics who think that wealthy pensioners should give up some of | :07:52. | :07:58. | |
the benefits and even possible bli be means-tested, well you do so at | :07:58. | :08:08. | |
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Politicians so far have shied away from targeting older people and | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
with very good reason. We are, the most politically engaged group. We | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
are the people that put them in power in the first place. It seems | :08:17. | :08:22. | |
to me pathetically unfair to take away our meagre few benefits. We | :08:22. | :08:26. | |
have got no guarantee that they will be put to any good use. They | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
will just disappear into that big black hole that is called our | :08:29. | :08:39. | |
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deficit. Now, Mr Cameron is only one way | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
that you can persuade me and millions of people like me to give | :08:45. | :08:53. | |
up this and that is to ring-fence, to completely ring-fence any money | :08:53. | :08:58. | |
that you save by taking away our benefits and give that money | :08:58. | :09:02. | |
directly to worthy causes like more apprenticeships for school leavers. | :09:02. | :09:06. | |
What most people want are practical policies that will make a real | :09:06. | :09:09. | |
difference. They are not interested in which party is in or which party | :09:09. | :09:14. | |
is out. They want a fair Government. One that comes up with policies | :09:14. | :09:23. | |
that will help us all, not just to score political points. | :09:23. | :09:26. | |
But the best thing that politicians could do, you want my honest | :09:26. | :09:36. | |
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opinion, leave us pensioners and Janet Street Porter from Waterloo | :09:39. | :09:42. | |
Station to our little station on the the other side of the river in | :09:42. | :09:47. | |
Westminster. Welcome to This Week. Michael and Alan, let's get | :09:47. | :09:54. | |
straight to basics, should the pensioner benefits be protected? | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
think the Government would be ill adviced to change it. I don't think | :09:57. | :10:01. | |
it is morally justified to give money to pensioners who don't need | :10:01. | :10:05. | |
it, but it is complicated to means- test things. It would be | :10:05. | :10:08. | |
misunderstood and lots of pensioners would think they will be | :10:08. | :10:14. | |
affected and and it will cause le sentiment and -- resentment and it | :10:14. | :10:21. | |
won't be spent any better anywhere. Alan? I always saw the child | :10:21. | :10:24. | |
benefit change as perhaps leading to a change elsewhere which is why | :10:24. | :10:28. | |
I was worried about it. I will give you a suggestion for what we should | :10:29. | :10:31. | |
do because another generation are going to retire later. They are | :10:31. | :10:37. | |
going to get their State pension later and yet, still, when you hit | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
the magic age of 65, you stop paying national insurance. Now if | :10:42. | :10:46. | |
pensioners are going to work longer, there is an argument they should | :10:46. | :10:48. | |
continue to pay national insurance and that might abcontribution, | :10:48. | :10:52. | |
rather than attacking universal benefits. | :10:52. | :10:58. | |
You think they should stay? Yes. This is good, the three of you | :10:58. | :11:03. | |
saying the same thing. I am going to have to fight hard. I don't mind | :11:03. | :11:09. | |
giving up some of my perks. I don't mind if politicians good afternoon | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
guarantee that the money will be ring-fenced and go to deserving | :11:13. | :11:18. | |
causes and not swallowed up. We can say we would be prepared to pay | :11:18. | :11:23. | |
higher tax and higher VAT. Let's stick with the principle. Nour you | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
are a wealthy -- now, you are a wealthy striver. These are tough | :11:26. | :11:30. | |
times. And people on lower incomes than yours are hurting. Isn't it | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
lewdious that the State should be using tax money to give awe free | :11:34. | :11:40. | |
bus pass or winter fuel allowance? If you take away our winter fuel | :11:40. | :11:43. | |
allowance that's going to be over 1% of the total welfare budget. It | :11:43. | :11:48. | |
is a drop in the ocean. Look at, why is it that pensioners have | :11:48. | :11:53. | |
become a big problem? The P word, isn't it? Pensioners are a problem. | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
We sit in care homes. We use up the National Health Service, but look | :11:57. | :12:02. | |
at it another away. If you are a politician, you can't afford to | :12:02. | :12:06. | |
lose pensioners. We are the only people that vote for you of the the | :12:06. | :12:10. | |
political parties have not managed to attract younger voters or | :12:10. | :12:12. | |
middle-aged voters. Sure, but that's politicians | :12:12. | :12:17. | |
running in fear of a powerful lobby which the Americans call the Great | :12:17. | :12:24. | |
Pan that. -- Great panther. You could do any of these and it | :12:24. | :12:27. | |
wouldn't make a difference to the quality of your life? What about | :12:27. | :12:32. | |
Iain Duncan Smith saying... don't need a winter fuel allowance? | :12:32. | :12:38. | |
Talk about pensioners overall. Why should I be means-tested? Means- | :12:38. | :12:41. | |
testing is impossible to implement and will cost more than it would | :12:41. | :12:49. | |
raise. Why don't you you consider that pensioners are an asset. They | :12:49. | :12:52. | |
are an asset. They are not using the police force or breaking the | :12:52. | :12:56. | |
law. They are not committing crimes. Why is it demonising a pensioner, | :12:56. | :13:00. | |
to say that a wealthy person like yourself does not need the winter | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
fuel allowance? I have paid more than my fair share of tax. I am not | :13:04. | :13:09. | |
like the captains of industry moving my tax affairs overseas. My | :13:09. | :13:13. | |
tax affairs are transparent and so I would believe are 99% of the | :13:13. | :13:17. | |
pensioners in this country. They feel they have spent their life | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
since leaving school, working, paying tax, paying national | :13:21. | :13:26. | |
insurance, and we've paid in. And for for Iain Duncan Smith to say | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
yesterday that pensioners in the future need to have more savings. | :13:29. | :13:39. | |
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We are the only people saving. We It's clear that David Cameron isn't | :13:41. | :13:46. | |
going to do anything about it this side of the election. Do you think | :13:46. | :13:52. | |
he'll be under pressure to do something about it the other side | :13:52. | :13:57. | |
of the election? Isn't this going to be an issue? The crucial time is | :13:57. | :14:02. | |
the election itself. Until now, all leaders have always said these | :14:02. | :14:06. | |
things are entirely off limits that they'll not be touched. The great | :14:06. | :14:11. | |
danger is if David Cameron decides to say no, this time I'm not giving | :14:11. | :14:17. | |
that guarantee... Which was bounced into by Gordon Brown in the TV | :14:17. | :14:21. | |
debate wasn't he? Then Labour will run stories that if the benefits | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
are not guaranteeed that could mean that nearly everybody will lose | :14:24. | :14:27. | |
their winter fuel allowance and that nearly everybody will lose | :14:27. | :14:31. | |
their free bus pass. This will enable the Labour Party to run the | :14:31. | :14:35. | |
most momentous... Would you exploit it? There's no chance Labour would | :14:35. | :14:39. | |
want to go down this road as well? Is Labour comfortable with someone | :14:39. | :14:44. | |
who lives in Marbella getting a winter fuel allowance? It's not | :14:44. | :14:48. | |
only pensioners who've been attacked this week, it's child | :14:48. | :14:52. | |
benefit that's been taken away, it's children. I'm still attached | :14:52. | :14:56. | |
to the principle for some of the reasons Michael mentioned. Taking | :14:56. | :15:00. | |
that away will lead to an horrendous mess in terms of how you | :15:00. | :15:04. | |
can late that now. I come back to the pensioners. But what is the | :15:04. | :15:08. | |
fuel allowance there for? It's because the state pension was very | :15:08. | :15:14. | |
low, it's a tax-free lump sum and people now are equating their state | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
pension entitlement as their weekly payment, plus their winter fuel | :15:18. | :15:22. | |
allowance. It's impossible now to separate the two and until you get | :15:22. | :15:26. | |
to a situation, as you will eventually because of changes being | :15:26. | :15:31. | |
made now, occupational pensions now, replace a big chunk of what was | :15:31. | :15:37. | |
previously expected from benefits et cetera, I think a politician | :15:37. | :15:40. | |
changing it would be doing something perilous to their future. | :15:40. | :15:44. | |
Many of these things were introduced as short-term political | :15:44. | :15:51. | |
gimmicks, the fuel allowance was once �50 then �100 now �200. | :15:52. | :15:57. | |
Pensioners' Christmas bonus? �10. And free TV licences. All were | :15:57. | :16:03. | |
introduced I think, or most, by Gordon Brown. Ted Heath did the | :16:03. | :16:09. | |
Christmas bonus. Yes. Gordon Brown as Chancellor or Prime Minister. | :16:09. | :16:14. | |
was to tackle pensioner poverty. to buy votes. Once you have given | :16:14. | :16:19. | |
something out, why take it back? Give than pensioners are loyal | :16:19. | :16:26. | |
voters, I think... A very ungrateful lot. I speak for | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
millions of pensioners who've seen their savings diminish in value and | :16:30. | :16:34. | |
you are saying, save more and by the way after the next election, we | :16:34. | :16:37. | |
might take away the fuel allowance. There's nothing principle about | :16:37. | :16:43. | |
this. The politicians are just frightened of the grai vote. Older | :16:43. | :16:48. | |
folk vote, they are organised, they've got time on their hands to | :16:48. | :16:52. | |
do it. It would be politically disastrous to remove these things | :16:52. | :16:56. | |
entirely for more pensioners. one's suggesting that. No, no, but | :16:56. | :16:59. | |
give than... Are you saying that's how it will be presentd? Give than | :16:59. | :17:04. | |
we accept that, is it worth the Haas toll remove it from very few | :17:04. | :17:09. | |
people which will cost a lot of money and which will risk giving | :17:09. | :17:12. | |
many more pensioners the impression that they are going to lose out, it | :17:12. | :17:17. | |
might be the reality. I would say it's a no-brainer, don't touch it. | :17:17. | :17:21. | |
While we are in the midst of cynicism, there were 2.6 million | :17:21. | :17:25. | |
pensioners living in abject poverty, women who didn't qualify for the | :17:25. | :17:34. | |
state pension. We are talking about how it was originated. The reason | :17:34. | :17:38. | |
why more pensioners go out to work isn't because they are babyboomers | :17:38. | :17:43. | |
and like socialising, it's because financially they have to. We have | :17:43. | :17:46. | |
two categories of people who're working against their will, that's | :17:46. | :17:50. | |
mothers with very young children and pensioners over 65 who'd rather | :17:51. | :17:55. | |
be retiring. They're both doing it because they can't exist on the | :17:55. | :18:00. | |
money that's available. Janet's also introduced an interesting | :18:00. | :18:03. | |
point which is that you reach a point in life where you have paid | :18:04. | :18:07. | |
in and you don't accept means testing because you believe that at | :18:07. | :18:13. | |
some point in your life, you want some pay back. They call old people | :18:13. | :18:17. | |
living treasures in certain places, in this country we are a big | :18:17. | :18:19. | |
problem. Do you think you have intimidated them into doing what | :18:19. | :18:24. | |
you don't want them to do? If I was running Britain, I would look after | :18:24. | :18:29. | |
the national asset, pensioners, at the moment they are demonised. | :18:29. | :18:34. | |
tonight. Thank you for being our first guest of the New Year on our | :18:34. | :18:42. | |
tenth anniversary programme. It's late, very late and Janet's got to | :18:42. | :18:46. | |
catch her night bus back to bingo night at the club. She's always | :18:46. | :18:52. | |
there! For those outside her media circus, stick with us, because | :18:52. | :18:57. | |
waiting in the wings, Amy Le may here to talk about the joys of | :18:57. | :19:00. | |
being different. Since most viewers are weird, you have probably | :19:00. | :19:06. | |
clocked that already. Don't forget, you can express your love for the | :19:06. | :19:09. | |
programme and for Janet in particular on the Twitter, | :19:09. | :19:13. | |
Fleecebook and the interweb. To be a successful politician, you would | :19:13. | :19:17. | |
need to be sauck Cescful communicator, something which | :19:17. | :19:23. | |
passed Michael and Alan by -- successful. Old Cleggover is not | :19:23. | :19:27. | |
content with being the Deputy Prime Minister, he's hosting his own | :19:27. | :19:34. | |
radio phone-in show. I wonder if we could be Deputy Prime Minister for | :19:34. | :19:39. | |
an hour. Not to be outdown by professional cross dressing, we | :19:39. | :19:44. | |
called Quentin Letts for his youndup of the political week -- | :19:44. | :19:54. | |
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round-up of the political week. Good evening, Britain. Alan | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
partridge couldn't be here so you have got me instead to present your | :20:09. | :20:15. | |
phone-in show. The host, with the most. | :20:15. | :20:22. | |
It's late, you're tired but don't get to bed, because it's time for | :20:22. | :20:32. | |
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call Quentin! Right, time to flip some vinyl pancakes. Hello, we are | :20:33. | :20:37. | |
going to start with a couple who've been in a relationship for some | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
time. This week they've chose tonne renew their vows, a very touching | :20:41. | :20:47. | |
story. One of them is on the line now. Is that Dave from Westminster? | :20:47. | :20:53. | |
Good afternoon. Very nice of you to join us Mr Cameron, do you have Mr | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
Clegg with you? Tell us about your situation. It's a Ron sale deal, | :20:57. | :21:03. | |
does what it says on the tin. We said we'd come together, form a | :21:03. | :21:06. | |
Government, tackle the problems and get on with it in a mature, | :21:06. | :21:11. | |
sensible way. Done as a PR stunt perhaps but tell me, Mr Clegg, | :21:11. | :21:17. | |
would you describe it similarly as a Ronseal deal You could call it | :21:18. | :21:22. | |
the unvarnished truth - I thought it was all right! You are still | :21:22. | :21:27. | |
laughing at each other's jokes, you are in it for the long haul then | :21:27. | :21:37. | |
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are committed to doing what we have said, doing what it says on the tin. | :21:38. | :21:42. | |
Behind every marriage there can be another story, did Dave and Nick | :21:42. | :21:46. | |
tell us everything? What is the detail behind the detail? We are | :21:46. | :21:49. | |
getting a call here from Ed from Primrose Hill North London. Welcome | :21:49. | :21:54. | |
to the show. What is your point? Can the Prime Minister tell us why | :21:54. | :21:59. | |
on Monday when he published the mid term review, he failed to publish | :21:59. | :22:05. | |
his audit of coalition broken promises? We'll be publishing | :22:05. | :22:10. | |
absolutely every single audit of every single promise, all 399 | :22:10. | :22:17. | |
pledges set out in the mid term review. The advisor said they | :22:17. | :22:23. | |
shouldn't publish it because it had problematic area, it would lead to | :22:23. | :22:28. | |
unfavourable copy and lead to unbroken pledges. Not his greatest | :22:29. | :22:33. | |
performance. We'll fade him out. What was that man next to him, | :22:33. | :22:40. | |
Balls, he'll have to go! Another call. Thomas Galloway, Dunlop but | :22:40. | :22:45. | |
rue, Galbraith. I understand we can call you Tom, is that right? Dave | :22:45. | :22:50. | |
from Westminster earlier loves coalitions. What do you make of | :22:50. | :22:57. | |
them? All of us would rather be in a single party Government this was | :22:57. | :23:02. | |
an experiment though in 2010. Some of it has been messy and difficult. | :23:02. | :23:06. | |
But largely it's produce what had we wanted it to do. That that's why | :23:06. | :23:12. | |
you resigned this week. He's gone. It's an Englanding batting collapse | :23:12. | :23:19. | |
with the Lords all gone. You are listening to Call Quentin, the show | :23:19. | :23:22. | |
that matters. Please, please, call, we've got to fill the air time | :23:22. | :23:28. | |
somehow. On to the issue that can decide the next general election. | :23:28. | :23:33. | |
Workers versus shirkers. Ian from Chingford, you are on the line. | :23:33. | :23:37. | |
They spent taxpayers' money like drunks on a Friday night. They are | :23:37. | :23:43. | |
spend more, tax more, borrow more and let the next generation pick up | :23:43. | :23:46. | |
the bill. This bill creates a heck of a mess and asks Britain's | :23:46. | :23:53. | |
working familys to clear it up. a call from somebody we haven't | :23:53. | :24:00. | |
heard from for a very long time. Dave in Primrose Hill as well, how | :24:00. | :24:04. | |
about that! Good to have you back, what do you have to say for | :24:04. | :24:09. | |
yourself? This ransid Bill is not about affordability. It's not. It | :24:09. | :24:14. | |
wreaks of the politics of dividing rhines. They all want a say on this. | :24:14. | :24:17. | |
Caroline from Brighton? A mean and miserable piece of legislation from | :24:17. | :24:21. | |
a mean and miserable Government. shall be voting against the second | :24:21. | :24:24. | |
reading of the Bill today with a heavy heart. That will be a topic | :24:24. | :24:32. | |
we hear more from in the run of this show. Another topic - Europe - | :24:32. | :24:38. | |
Mr Barack Obama from Washington. How's Tyne & Wear? Sorry, it's not | :24:38. | :24:43. | |
Tyne & Wear, it's Washington DC, district of Colombia. How di, how | :24:43. | :24:49. | |
can we help you, what do you think about Europe? We think it's in our | :24:49. | :24:55. | |
interests to see a strong British voice within the EU. This is a | :24:55. | :25:00. | |
response from Dave in SW1, saying that the US wants an outward | :25:00. | :25:06. | |
looking EU with Britain in it and so do we? Speak for yourself, mate! | :25:06. | :25:13. | |
We are nearing the end of the show and I've got a call myself to make. | :25:13. | :25:18. | |
Hello, Nick, good to talk to you. I know I make it look easy but take | :25:18. | :25:24. | |
advice from a phone-in professional like me. What's that, serious calls | :25:24. | :25:28. | |
to make?! Cheeky monkey. Are you a man of the people and have you ever | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
worn a onesy? From your constituency, have you ever ever | :25:32. | :25:37. | |
worn a onesy? I was give an big green onesy in Sheffield which I | :25:37. | :25:43. | |
have kept in its packaging, so I haven't worn it yet but I've got | :25:43. | :25:47. | |
one. That's your lot, folks, it's been a toasty pledge but it's over. | :25:47. | :25:52. | |
To my colleagues in that inferior medium television. Andrew, over to | :25:52. | :26:00. | |
you. Quentin Letts. We are joined by | :26:00. | :26:05. | |
Miranda Green, as we always are at this time. Tell me, Mr Clegg, Mr | :26:05. | :26:08. | |
Cameron, said they were committed to the coalition lasting the full | :26:08. | :26:12. | |
five years. Should we take it for granted that the parties won't go | :26:12. | :26:17. | |
their separate ways some time in 2014? It's a good question isn't it. | :26:17. | :26:24. | |
Five years seemed like a very long time when they negotiated this | :26:24. | :26:30. | |
coalition in 2010. The election has been feeling imminent for quite a | :26:30. | :26:34. | |
while now. It's going to be very difficult, | :26:34. | :26:38. | |
this task, for the second half of the Parliament, to keep the | :26:38. | :26:42. | |
coalition ship on track without fracturing. There is a bit of | :26:42. | :26:46. | |
fracturing on both sides now. It had been worse on the Tory sides, a | :26:46. | :26:49. | |
bit of Liberal Democrat fracturing as well. On the welfare reforms? | :26:49. | :26:53. | |
Which is significant actually. things are still dire for the | :26:53. | :26:55. | |
Liberal Democrats in 2014 and if they have a very bad European | :26:55. | :27:00. | |
election, which is perfectly on the cards, the Tories could have a bad | :27:00. | :27:04. | |
one too, surely there will be irresistible pressure maybe A on | :27:04. | :27:07. | |
the leadership and B, to put some distance between them and the | :27:07. | :27:12. | |
Tories by getting out of Government? I don't think that the | :27:12. | :27:17. | |
European elections will be seen as any sort of make or break test. | :27:17. | :27:21. | |
Even if you come fifth? Well, you know, the UKIP factor is bad for | :27:21. | :27:24. | |
all the established parties, it's not particularly a message to the | :27:24. | :27:27. | |
Liberal Democrats, you know, with the Greens we have seen this | :27:27. | :27:31. | |
European election thing happen before, but I think that the point | :27:31. | :27:36. | |
behind your question is a good one. The pressure is going to increase | :27:36. | :27:40. | |
and obviously one thing they were doing this week is quite rightly | :27:40. | :27:44. | |
saying these are the big challenges facing Britain, we have made a | :27:44. | :27:48. | |
start on these big projects that will take a long time. That has its | :27:48. | :27:52. | |
own challenge because it means you have to talk about projects that | :27:52. | :27:56. | |
last longer than two-and-a-half years sowhat does that mean nor the | :27:56. | :28:01. | |
coalition project. Do you think the coalition will go all the way to | :28:01. | :28:05. | |
2015? I do, partly because they've Leggetted for it an they have to | :28:05. | :28:07. | |
continue the austerity programme for the longest period of time to | :28:07. | :28:11. | |
have the best chance of proving the success, partly because they enjoy | :28:11. | :28:15. | |
being in office and they might as well stay there for as long as they | :28:15. | :28:19. | |
possibly can, but for all of those reasons, they'll go the distance. | :28:19. | :28:23. | |
Because they've Leggetted for it, doesn't mean they can stick | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
together. You could see a situation where the Liberal Democrats | :28:26. | :28:31. | |
withdraw from coalition in 2014, maybe the autumn around the time of | :28:31. | :28:35. | |
the Party Conference which could be rough. But that doesn't provoke an | :28:35. | :28:40. | |
election, the Torys are a minority through to 2015? That is the likely | :28:40. | :28:46. | |
scenario, Andrew. They've Leggetted for a five-year Parliament. Without | :28:46. | :28:52. | |
much debate. Five years, rather than four. So the only way that can | :28:52. | :28:55. | |
change is if something like 80 Liberal Democrats vote with us, | :28:55. | :29:00. | |
that won't happen. They won't go anywhere near the electorate any | :29:00. | :29:03. | |
time before 2015 so I think perhaps withdraw to a confidence and supply | :29:03. | :29:08. | |
arrangement, maybe for the last year, interesting question for me | :29:08. | :29:12. | |
is whether Clegg goes. You couldn't have that under Nick Clegg I don't | :29:12. | :29:17. | |
think, a partial withdrawal. think if that happens it would be a | :29:17. | :29:20. | |
new leader? I don't think that will happen myself but if it were, you | :29:20. | :29:27. | |
couldn't have it happen under Nick Clegg. There is Mr Cable waiting in | :29:28. | :29:37. | |
David Miliband, is he preparing for entry into front-line politics? | :29:37. | :29:41. | |
David just wanted to speak. He wanted to speak in that debate. Now, | :29:41. | :29:46. | |
there is has been speculation... What do you think? He is too big a | :29:46. | :29:51. | |
talent, I think, to stay on the backbenches, but this is a very | :29:51. | :29:56. | |
personal thing. David talks about the Kremlinology. If he came into | :29:57. | :30:01. | |
the Shadow Cabinet, everyone judging everything by how his | :30:01. | :30:08. | |
brother reacts and David's point is it would be bad for the party. He | :30:08. | :30:11. | |
is itching to do something rather than sit on the backbenches. | :30:11. | :30:21. | |
It struck me how uncomfortable international international front | :30:21. | :30:28. | |
front benchers look on the backbenches. He looked | :30:28. | :30:31. | |
uncomfortable, he was feeling nervous about the situation. Should | :30:32. | :30:40. | |
we rule out entirely? Durel durel entirely durel David Miliband as | :30:40. | :30:45. | |
Shadow Chancellor? That's unlikely, but I think we are going to go into | :30:45. | :30:49. | |
the next election with Ed Balls as Shadow Chancellor. There maybe a | :30:49. | :30:53. | |
return to the frontbench, but in what position that would be, I | :30:53. | :30:59. | |
don't know. Even his intervention posed a major | :30:59. | :31:05. | |
challenge to the existing frontbench. He talked about | :31:05. | :31:09. | |
priorities within a reduced ability of the Government to spend and | :31:09. | :31:13. | |
that's a much... He tackled the Clegg point. The Clegg point was | :31:13. | :31:18. | |
how else are you going to pay for this. | :31:19. | :31:25. | |
Mr E Miliband wants to run against a bit of what Labour did last time. | :31:25. | :31:30. | |
He wants to distance himself from some of the things the last Labour | :31:30. | :31:33. | |
Government did that. It is difficult to do that with Mr Balls | :31:33. | :31:37. | |
as his Shadow Chancellor? Ed was a member of the Government as well. | :31:37. | :31:41. | |
If you bring David in, he was a member of the Government as well. | :31:41. | :31:47. | |
He is more prepared to distance himself? This st what you get -- is | :31:47. | :31:51. | |
this is what you get if you are you are looking for re-elected after | :31:51. | :31:57. | |
four years. If you are trying to get after being rejected by the | :31:57. | :32:00. | |
electorate, you are almost bound to face that problem and that's why it | :32:00. | :32:05. | |
is a bigger challenge for Ed and why he is doing so well when you | :32:05. | :32:09. | |
compare him to other leaders of the opposition in that first period | :32:09. | :32:11. | |
after an election defeat. Ed Miliband suffered at the | :32:11. | :32:18. | |
beginning from the idea that he finished off his brother. | :32:18. | :32:21. | |
But to have a number of brothers as Leader of the Opposition and Shadow | :32:21. | :32:29. | |
Chancellor, that goes down badly with the public. He did Latin for a | :32:29. | :32:33. | |
year! Well, I slept under one of those. | :32:33. | :32:37. | |
The English has been a problem, but the Latin stuck! | :32:37. | :32:44. | |
The resignation of Lord Strathclyde and Lord Marilyn, not household | :32:44. | :32:47. | |
names, but the timing was significant, wasn't it? It was | :32:47. | :32:52. | |
incredible. It was designed to cause damage? It is peculiar. I | :32:52. | :32:55. | |
don't equate the two resignations. Strathclyde is the sort of person | :32:55. | :32:59. | |
you miss. The House of Lords needs such careful management. Even | :32:59. | :33:04. | |
without a coalition, even with just one party because Lords are very | :33:04. | :33:07. | |
independent people and lots of them are clever and lots of them have | :33:07. | :33:13. | |
ideas and lots of experience and so you can only cajole them or you can | :33:13. | :33:18. | |
reason with them, you can make them feel guilty that they are they are | :33:18. | :33:21. | |
voting against the Government because you are such a good guy. | :33:21. | :33:26. | |
And people liked him? Strathclyde had those qualities. People didn't | :33:26. | :33:30. | |
like to let him down. He said the coalition had broken | :33:30. | :33:33. | |
down in the Lords already? Well, there has been a lot of rebellions | :33:33. | :33:37. | |
in the Lords before now and I imagine they will go on, but losing | :33:37. | :33:43. | |
one minister, losing two ministers, it doesn't really say a lot again | :33:43. | :33:47. | |
about David Cameron's ability to run his own team. Again on time, we | :33:47. | :33:52. | |
had the State Department coming out saying they want Britain to stay in | :33:52. | :33:55. | |
Europe and effectively saying don't have a referendum. Nothing new | :33:55. | :34:01. | |
about that. That's always been the State Department policy, but timing | :34:01. | :34:06. | |
was interesting. James James Forsyth says Mr Cameron isn't going | :34:06. | :34:12. | |
to say anything to satisfy the real Euro-sceptics and this could now, | :34:12. | :34:16. | |
there is the potential for this to lead to the greatest split in the | :34:16. | :34:19. | |
Tories since the corn laws. Discuss? Well, it is the great eggs | :34:19. | :34:25. | |
split in the cories -- the greastest split in the Tories since | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
the corn laws this. Is a long continuing problem in the Tory | :34:29. | :34:33. | |
Party. As far as the American intervention is concerned, I am not | :34:33. | :34:36. | |
sure myself that it was calculated or planned in the way their | :34:36. | :34:40. | |
implying, but I do think that the Americans actually do not have a | :34:40. | :34:43. | |
strong understanding of the European issue. They don't have a | :34:43. | :34:45. | |
strong understanding of Britain's position on Europe and I am not | :34:45. | :34:50. | |
sure that they understand their own interests. One only has to | :34:50. | :34:54. | |
speculate where America would have stood over Iraq and Afghanistan if | :34:54. | :34:58. | |
there was a single European foreign policy because a single European | :34:58. | :35:02. | |
foreign policy would not have authorised Britain to join in the | :35:02. | :35:03. | |
endeavours alongside American forces. | :35:03. | :35:07. | |
We have to leave it. We will be talking about Europe, Alan. Hold | :35:07. | :35:12. | |
what you have got to say for future weeks. Miran darks thanks -- -- | :35:12. | :35:21. | |
Miranda, thank you for being wuss. Wearing a gold me dollian and -- me | :35:21. | :35:30. | |
dal -- medallion and driving a bright sports car is a sign of a | :35:30. | :35:40. | |
crisis. Maybe nijal If UKIP is joining the mainstream, does that | :35:40. | :35:43. | |
mean Britain is becoming a less colourful place? That's why we have | :35:43. | :35:49. | |
decided to embrace those who plough a lonely Pharaoh and put odd people | :35:49. | :35:59. | |
:35:59. | :36:03. | ||
From Albert Einstein to a Czech presidential candidate. Everyone | :36:03. | :36:08. | |
knows an eccentric character. With their poll rating soaring, it looks | :36:08. | :36:12. | |
like UKIP can no longer be dismissed as the odd balls of | :36:12. | :36:17. | |
British poll politics. Unless, you are the Prime Minister, of course. | :36:17. | :36:24. | |
Do you regret using fruit cake and and closet race racist for terms | :36:24. | :36:27. | |
for UKIP. There are Odd people. | :36:27. | :36:31. | |
Their leader seems keen on his party's outsider image. | :36:32. | :36:37. | |
I mean compared to Cameron, Miliband and Clegg, I spent 20 | :36:37. | :36:40. | |
years having a job which of course, none of those guys have. | :36:40. | :36:45. | |
Who is to say cap call me Dave isn't weird? He does let his wife | :36:45. | :36:50. | |
dress him. Others like the Mayor of London are just accepted for their | :36:50. | :37:00. | |
:37:00. | :37:01. | ||
quirky ways. Even Middle England companies like Waitrose are busy | :37:01. | :37:06. | |
bracing eccentricity, parting company with Delia and employing | :37:06. | :37:11. | |
Heston. Even a man who made a career out of being a rockstar from | :37:11. | :37:14. | |
outer space has fallen back to earth! | :37:14. | :37:18. | |
So where are we now? Well, Mr Cameron, if the polls are to be | :37:18. | :37:28. | |
:37:28. | :37:33. | ||
believed, the space oddities from We are joined by Amy. Do you think | :37:33. | :37:37. | |
odd and eccentric is a good or a bad thing? Well, maybe you should | :37:37. | :37:42. | |
tell me, Andrew. But I think actually the UKIP situation is | :37:42. | :37:48. | |
really interesting because David Cameron's comment, you know, | :37:48. | :37:52. | |
basically there are a lot of UKIP members and supporters that are ex- | :37:52. | :37:58. | |
Tories. So effectively, he is calling his own people, "odd and | :37:58. | :38:02. | |
weird." By saying that people are odd or strange or weird, you have | :38:02. | :38:06. | |
to look at opposite of that and that means that there is some sense | :38:06. | :38:10. | |
of what is normal and I don't really believe that. Would you | :38:10. | :38:17. | |
describe yourself as eccentric? I don't think that one can describe | :38:17. | :38:21. | |
one's self as eccentric, it is for someone else to decide really. | :38:21. | :38:26. | |
Do you think the Brits are more open to oddness than the Americans? | :38:26. | :38:33. | |
Mm, well I think eccentricity is a British trait. Wouldn't you agree? | :38:33. | :38:40. | |
I think that... London is a place where it thrives. That's maybe | :38:40. | :38:45. | |
perhaps why I feel so add home here. You know, sure, there are eccentric | :38:45. | :38:52. | |
Americans, but I think you can go to any major European country and | :38:52. | :38:55. | |
any European city and walk down the street and people look boring and | :38:55. | :39:03. | |
then you come to London and it is a feast for the eyes. It is more part | :39:03. | :39:08. | |
of our culture and we like it more? Absolutely. | :39:08. | :39:13. | |
There is a case for more eccentric politicians. We are an age of | :39:13. | :39:23. | |
:39:23. | :39:27. | ||
boiler plate politicians? Absolutely. Jacob Ree s Mogg should | :39:27. | :39:33. | |
be from a bygone age. He is stylish and he is different and he does not | :39:33. | :39:39. | |
fit any template. One of the things you hear is when an outstanding | :39:39. | :39:43. | |
member of the House of Commons dies, you will hear people say, "He was | :39:44. | :39:49. | |
the last great character. He was the great eccentric." People think | :39:49. | :39:57. | |
that politicians have become very very homeo genius indeed. And what | :39:57. | :40:02. | |
we are seeing is, you know, that that Boris who cultivates | :40:02. | :40:08. | |
eccentricity is doing well. We saw George Galloway who was on a | :40:08. | :40:15. | |
reality show lapping up cream as a pussycat is elected with a by- | :40:15. | :40:20. | |
election landslide and it looks as if the exsen eccentrics are doing | :40:20. | :40:23. | |
very well. Galloway is a real character. | :40:23. | :40:33. | |
:40:33. | :40:36. | ||
Farrage is a real character. I agree with the point, Nigel | :40:36. | :40:46. | |
:40:46. | :40:47. | ||
Farrage looks likes a Conservative Conservative cira 1974 in Gerrard's | :40:47. | :40:50. | |
Cross, he doesn't look eccentric, out of time maybe. | :40:50. | :40:55. | |
I think it is insulting to eccentrics to link them with UKIP | :40:55. | :41:00. | |
supporters. I mean, in my opinion UKIP supporters are vile, they are | :41:00. | :41:04. | |
not eccentric. Sticking to the issue of | :41:04. | :41:10. | |
eccentricity. Could we do with more eccentric politicians? No, actually. | :41:10. | :41:14. | |
I don't think so. I actually prefer my politicians to be able to do | :41:14. | :41:18. | |
their job. I am not bothered whether they are wearing a funny | :41:19. | :41:23. | |
tweed coat or bizarrely covered braces. They just need to do the | :41:23. | :41:27. | |
job properly. You were close to Sarah and Gordon | :41:27. | :41:33. | |
Brown. A lot of people thought that Gordon Brown was an odd character | :41:33. | :41:38. | |
character? No, I think he is wonderful. | :41:38. | :41:44. | |
Did you have your hen party in ten Downing Street? Yes, I did. | :41:44. | :41:52. | |
Did Gordon turn up? Yes, of course, he was there. No, we cancelled the | :41:52. | :41:56. | |
stripper and had gord Gordon instead. | :41:56. | :41:59. | |
You could do with more characters on the Labour side. | :41:59. | :42:03. | |
If you look at Parliament it doesn't look as if there is anyone | :42:03. | :42:11. | |
eccentric there. Or even characters P Jacob Ree is a | :42:11. | :42:15. | |
character. You don't need men wearing anything other than dark | :42:15. | :42:20. | |
blue or grey suits. There is no different styles that you see. You | :42:20. | :42:27. | |
don't get people there who are kind of like Grace and Perry coming into | :42:27. | :42:35. | |
Parliament who would I would -- who I would call a real eccentric. | :42:35. | :42:41. | |
Let's put things in prospective here about eccentricity. Amy, thank | :42:41. | :42:45. | |
you. That's your lot. It is our tenth | :42:45. | :42:53. | |
anniversary party in Annabel's tonight. Diane has been there since | :42:53. | :43:02. | |
she clocked off work at 3pm. She has already downed three bottles of | :43:02. | :43:07. | |
of Blue Nun. Here are some highlights. The the mistake known | :43:07. | :43:13. | |
to everyone as the Amarillo mental breakdown. Somewhere in this clip, | :43:13. | :43:20. | |
the serious now political editor of Newsnight is playing the six foot | :43:20. | :43:27. | |
chicken! It was the role of her life. There could be an Oscar in it. | :43:27. | :43:35. | |
Nightie-night. Don't let this week bite. Poppers. Oh yes! | :43:35. | :43:45. | |
:43:45. | :43:49. | ||
# We are on the way to election Sunday | :43:49. | :43:59. | |
:43:59. | :44:04. | ||
# Dreaming dreams # Sha-la | :44:04. | :44:11. | |
Hsha-la # La # Mark Mardell and Portillo | :44:11. | :44:18. | |
# The rars is on for Number Ten # Will Michael, Tony end up PM? | :44:18. | :44:28. | |
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