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Tonight, This Week heads into the Westminster jungle. Political big | :00:00. | :00:10. | |
beast John Major causes a rumble, claiming there are too many posh | :00:11. | :00:14. | |
boys in Britain's top jobs. Celebrity classics professor Mary | :00:15. | :00:17. | |
Beard has taken up the Dingo Dollar Challenge. I flirted with eye muscle | :00:18. | :00:28. | |
to, get me out of here. To be honest, I think going on this week | :00:29. | :00:32. | |
was humiliation enough. Green shoots in the undergrowth, as | :00:33. | :00:35. | |
Bank of England Governor, Mark Carney, says economic recovery has | :00:36. | :00:38. | |
finally taken hold. The Guardian's Nick Watt will swallow anything in | :00:39. | :00:45. | |
the bushtucker trial. Surviving in the outback is a tough business. | :00:46. | :00:55. | |
There is a danger of interest rates with a sting in the tail. | :00:56. | :00:58. | |
And it won't take us long to forget this year's celebrity contestants, | :00:59. | :01:01. | |
but are we remembering those who paid the ultimate price in the right | :01:02. | :01:04. | |
sort of way? Author and broadcaster Tony Parsons pays his respects. On | :01:05. | :01:10. | |
the second Sunday of November, we remember more than the glorious | :01:11. | :01:15. | |
dead. We also remember who we are as a nation. | :01:16. | :01:17. | |
This Week, marginally tastier than a kangaroo testicle. Get me out of | :01:18. | :01:19. | |
here! Evenin' all. Welcome to This Week. | :01:20. | :01:22. | |
Please do not adjust your sets, your channel or your drinks. I'm Emily | :01:23. | :01:27. | |
Maitlis. And if you're wondering where Andrew Ferguson Neill is, | :01:28. | :01:31. | |
well, what can I say? We've deleted him. We did. All of him. It took a | :01:32. | :01:37. | |
while, and some technical support. But if Tory Central Office can wipe | :01:38. | :01:40. | |
ten years of speeches, press releases, and broken promises from | :01:41. | :01:43. | |
our collective political memory, why can't This Week? Think of it as our | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
own small contribution to austerity and a saving on the licence fee. | :01:48. | :01:50. | |
We've removed every trace of AF Neill, dating back to 2003. If you | :01:51. | :01:54. | |
try and look for him here in the studio, or online, or stuffing his | :01:55. | :01:58. | |
pockets with free baklava in the first class lounge at Dubai Airport, | :01:59. | :02:01. | |
you will encounter a robot blocker which stops all communication and | :02:02. | :02:04. | |
makes a high pitched whining sound like this. "Mmmmm". Could come in | :02:05. | :02:08. | |
handy later in the show. Speaking of those we can forgive but never | :02:09. | :02:12. | |
forget, I'm joined on the sofa tonight by two men happy to pierce | :02:13. | :02:15. | |
anything in the name of publicity. Think of them as the David Dimbleby | :02:16. | :02:19. | |
and Cheryl Cole of late night political chat. I speak, of course, | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
of #manontheleft, Alan "AJ" Johnson, #sadmanonatrain, Michael "Choo Choo" | :02:23. | :02:25. | |
Portillo. They haven't moved from the sofa since this time last week, | :02:26. | :02:29. | |
but its given them plenty of time to think of their Moment of the Week. | :02:30. | :02:37. | |
Mine are contrasting moments. The interest rate decisions of the | :02:38. | :02:41. | |
European Central Bank and the Bank of England. The Europeans are | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
worried about prices falling, because debt is get bigger, because | :02:46. | :02:52. | |
money is worth less. On the other hand, the Bank of England is worried | :02:53. | :02:58. | |
about inflation. Why? Because wages are not rising so living standards | :02:59. | :03:01. | |
are falling. I think the British Government's strategy had been, | :03:02. | :03:04. | |
let's have inflation because it will make debt smaller. But without | :03:05. | :03:11. | |
income rising, there has been a big about turn and now we are going to | :03:12. | :03:14. | |
try to bring down our rate of interest. That means putting | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
interest rates up. You think we are heading that way. The Bank of | :03:20. | :03:23. | |
England has rotted forward by a year and a half. Last night's BBC News | :03:24. | :03:32. | |
from Colombo in Sri Lanka. There was first of all a government | :03:33. | :03:35. | |
spokesman, who was absolutely implacable and on movable, and | :03:36. | :03:42. | |
conceding nothing on human rights, and was very insulting towards this | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
country and the Prime Minister. And then the site of the BBC reporter | :03:47. | :03:52. | |
and cameraman almost being assaulted by security guards to stop them | :03:53. | :03:55. | |
asking a question of the President. I thought it was amazing but it also | :03:56. | :03:59. | |
changed my mind about the Prime Minister going to Sri Lanka. If he | :04:00. | :04:02. | |
had not been going there would have been a short news clip where they | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
announced he was not going, and we would have seen nothing of that. I | :04:08. | :04:11. | |
think that told the British people more about what is going on in Sri | :04:12. | :04:15. | |
Lanka than acres of newsprint. Now this week our PM has come under | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
attack on the same subject from both Russell Brand and former Prime | :04:20. | :04:22. | |
Minister, John Major. One called him "a filthy dirty posh banker". I | :04:23. | :04:25. | |
won't tell you what Russell said. They're both concerned that society | :04:26. | :04:28. | |
is increasingly run by a public school elite, distant from the | :04:29. | :04:31. | |
everyday concerns of the plebeian hoi polloi, to mix our classical | :04:32. | :04:35. | |
references. So are they right to be concerned, and is there anything we | :04:36. | :04:39. | |
can learn from the ancient world to help put things right? We turned to | :04:40. | :04:42. | |
TV don and Cambridge professor Mary Beard. This is her Take of the Week. | :04:43. | :04:56. | |
As a professor of classics who does some TV, I spend most of my life | :04:57. | :05:03. | |
reminding people that Latin and Greek you might think are out of | :05:04. | :05:09. | |
date and irrelevant, but are actually fun, interesting and really | :05:10. | :05:14. | |
matter. It strikes me that someone needs to do that for politics. | :05:15. | :05:24. | |
Even ex-prime minister 's are getting fed up. This week, John | :05:25. | :05:30. | |
Major had a point when he said the country was still run by toffs and | :05:31. | :05:35. | |
the affluent. I mean, you only have two blink and it seems like there is | :05:36. | :05:47. | |
yet another old Etonian in power. And as for dear old Russell Brand, | :05:48. | :05:50. | |
telling people not to vote, what a load of Tosh. My mum always used to | :05:51. | :05:56. | |
say to me, someone died to get you your vote. You Da one well use it. | :05:57. | :06:06. | |
-- you am well use it. But Russell Brand was right that we have got | :06:07. | :06:10. | |
disengaged with politics. I think that is because politicians no | :06:11. | :06:14. | |
longer seem to be speaking to us. They are just reading from a | :06:15. | :06:20. | |
preprepared script. Try listening to a struggling junior minister on the | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
today programme trying to remember their lines, if you want to know | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
what I mean. What happened to ideology, passion? We don't want | :06:29. | :06:38. | |
government I focus group. We don't want government by slogan. If I hear | :06:39. | :06:41. | |
that phrase hard-working families one more time I will be rushing to | :06:42. | :06:48. | |
the barricades and setting up a party for lazy singletons. | :06:49. | :07:02. | |
It may be that ancient Athens as have something to teach us. One of | :07:03. | :07:09. | |
their best ideas was what they called ostracism. Every year, the | :07:10. | :07:18. | |
citizens got together and decided there was some politician they would | :07:19. | :07:21. | |
just like to be rid of for ten years. Dead easy. They got little | :07:22. | :07:27. | |
bits of broken pottery, scratched the name and threw it into the | :07:28. | :07:36. | |
ballot box. Hey presto. Now, how exactly do you spell Portillo? | :07:37. | :07:41. | |
And from the British Academy at Carlton House Terrace to our own | :07:42. | :07:43. | |
little academy of national treasures here in the heart of Westminster, | :07:44. | :07:53. | |
Mary Beard joins us now. Democracy has been going on for a long time. | :07:54. | :08:00. | |
Is it really in crisis? In some ways, every Democrat always thinks | :08:01. | :08:05. | |
democracy is in crisis. That is what being a Democrat is about, saying we | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
could do it better. But there is a kind of commercialisation of it. I | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
think Russell Brand is onto something when he is saying is a | :08:15. | :08:22. | |
disconnect between us and them. The problem with them is not that they | :08:23. | :08:26. | |
are well-meaning. But a lot of them are going into this for all the | :08:27. | :08:32. | |
right reasons. But all they are doing is talking blasted sound | :08:33. | :08:36. | |
bites. That is the hard-working families it. It must be ghastly. | :08:37. | :08:40. | |
Sometimes when I am feeling generous, I think, how ghastly it | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
must be to be one of you. You have given up. Don't worry. I think | :08:46. | :08:51. | |
democracy is in crisis for the opposite reason. We had not had | :08:52. | :08:59. | |
democracy for ages. We had it in the fifth century BC and put it away for | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
2000 years. Democracy now is a new experiment. In 1941 there were 11 | :09:05. | :09:10. | |
democracies and there are now 105. It is conceivable it is in crisis | :09:11. | :09:13. | |
because most of us have very little experience of it. What democracy | :09:14. | :09:19. | |
tends to do, it gets competing politicians to promise too much. | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
Because they have out bid each other. The only way you can then get | :09:25. | :09:29. | |
high is by borrowing from future generations, which is where we have | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
got to. We are too indebted. Our governments are far too indebted. | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
And yet politicians go on the missing more than they can afford. | :09:39. | :09:43. | |
You are being much too gloomy. I do not want to go that to fit century | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
Athens. People like me did not have any say. Being a woman, no say, no | :09:49. | :09:55. | |
vote, no nothing. When I think it was 100 years ago, I would not have | :09:56. | :10:01. | |
had the vote. Somebody says to me that democracy has not been coming | :10:02. | :10:06. | |
on of late. I think, we are not doing that bad in all respects. But | :10:07. | :10:16. | |
I sit town and I think about MPs in Parliament, looking at their iPhone | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
in the morning and being told the slogan of the day is hard-working | :10:22. | :10:25. | |
families. They did not go into politics for that. Did you? What | :10:26. | :10:32. | |
about the junior minister who has to come up with an alarm clock, and | :10:33. | :10:37. | |
stick to what they have been told? It is painful, isn't it? It is | :10:38. | :10:43. | |
painful and I was a junior minister doing it one day. But that is about | :10:44. | :10:51. | |
the media. It is the 24-7 media that makes demands on politicians. So you | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
are saying they have to do that? It would be unusual, or the presenter | :10:57. | :11:02. | |
says, we invited a government minister but none was prepared to | :11:03. | :11:06. | |
come. The way that you do it is important. You do not have to sound | :11:07. | :11:09. | |
like a speaking clock, as if you are reading a brief. You are not usually | :11:10. | :11:14. | |
talking about great affairs of War and peace, but about a policy you | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
are responsible for and helped to shape. It is not difficult to put | :11:19. | :11:25. | |
some interest into it. It is also perfectly respectable. Anybody who | :11:26. | :11:27. | |
runs an enterprising common with others, a company, a football team, | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
the school play, you have to agree on what your position is. In | :11:33. | :11:36. | |
politics it is more complicated because you are trying to win the | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
vote. So the coalition of interests is very broad. But then you have to | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
say not what you think or believe what you have agreed with others to | :11:46. | :11:48. | |
say. That is a perfectly respectable thing to do. But if you do it for 20 | :11:49. | :11:55. | |
or 30 years it becomes very wearing, always remembering to say what you | :11:56. | :12:01. | |
have agreed with others. Keeps saying hard-working families and | :12:02. | :12:06. | |
slogans like that. I think most of the electorate, we know that | :12:07. | :12:12. | |
politics is a very inexact science. We know there are not right answers. | :12:13. | :12:18. | |
We know there are disagreements. And we know there are mistakes. When a | :12:19. | :12:27. | |
politician breaks a promise, like Nick Clegg on the fees. Do you | :12:28. | :12:32. | |
think, I understand what led to him doing that, or do you think, he | :12:33. | :12:35. | |
broke the promise I am never forgiving a Lib Dem again? You are | :12:36. | :12:42. | |
trading in certainties. It is no good to trade in simple certainties. | :12:43. | :12:49. | |
Better that they tell us nothing? It is always more complicated. We can | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
take over the idea that it is complicated. We do not have to be | :12:54. | :12:57. | |
told, whether it is in foreign policy, that this regime is nasty | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
until we discover it is nice, or vice versa. We do not have to say we | :13:02. | :13:07. | |
know about -- what to do about student fees, debt, inflation. We | :13:08. | :13:11. | |
know that we do not know. What happened to Nick Clegg is an | :13:12. | :13:15. | |
important lesson. He made promises because he never thought he would be | :13:16. | :13:20. | |
in office. What should the electorate do with that information? | :13:21. | :13:23. | |
They should think, who is not going to be in office next time? People | :13:24. | :13:28. | |
like UKIP. Therefore, we should understand they are only saying | :13:29. | :13:31. | |
things because they know they are not going to be in office. Does that | :13:32. | :13:38. | |
apply to Russell Brand? I tried hard to find something in what Russell | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
Brand said, because he has 7.1 million Twitter followers, all of | :13:44. | :13:46. | |
them under 30, and younger people were telling me that he is onto | :13:47. | :13:52. | |
something. But having read through a lot of his stuff, the New Statesman | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
piece in particular, I could find nothing other than trying to | :13:57. | :14:06. | |
intellectualise his apathy. I have one answer to Russell Brand which is | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
to say, you do not not vote. You go to the polling station, cross it out | :14:12. | :14:14. | |
if you do not like them on the ballot paper and you put, none of | :14:15. | :14:19. | |
the above, spoiled paper. And one day the returning officer will have | :14:20. | :14:24. | |
to get up and say, there were 20,000 spoiled ballot papers, and I think | :14:25. | :14:27. | |
we declare the spoiled ballot the winner. Mary has made a very good | :14:28. | :14:36. | |
point, that there is a lot of laziness in politics, but it is | :14:37. | :14:40. | |
nothing by comparison with the laziness of the critics of politics, | :14:41. | :14:43. | |
and Russell Brand is an example of that absolute basic intellectual | :14:44. | :14:49. | |
laziness. So, what do you do with all of the people that want to | :14:50. | :14:54. | |
follow him? That interview got 10 million hits on Youtube. What do you | :14:55. | :14:58. | |
do with that integrated, enthusiastic apathy? The one thing | :14:59. | :15:04. | |
he did have a point about is, young people today, and we were speaking | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
about educational maintenance allowance and student fees, there | :15:10. | :15:15. | |
seems to be, this is very broad brush, but elderly people are | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
protected, younger people are not. As someone has pointed out, all the | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
people vote, and therefore politicians perhaps play to that | :15:25. | :15:28. | |
audience. So, the things which Russell Brand wants, which is, to | :15:29. | :15:33. | |
save the planet, he says, and a more equal society, that is what I want, | :15:34. | :15:37. | |
that is what I came into politics for. But I did not come into | :15:38. | :15:41. | |
politics to repress all other opinions, which is what a | :15:42. | :15:46. | |
revolution, I am afraid, actually does. Coming back to the John Major | :15:47. | :15:51. | |
point, it is that politics looks the same, it is a leaps of school, of | :15:52. | :15:57. | |
education and gender, which is why it is isolating so many people? -- | :15:58. | :16:03. | |
it is a leets. Yes, but you have got to face up to Russell Brand and you | :16:04. | :16:11. | |
have got to argue about method. -- it is elites. It is no good to say, | :16:12. | :16:18. | |
what a load of Tosh politics is. That is what you learn from the | :16:19. | :16:21. | |
ancient world, you do not learn any single method, you learn that | :16:22. | :16:25. | |
politics is about being a citizen, but is what we all are. Every single | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
one of us is a politician, and it is our duty to think about it in a | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
properly conjugated way, and to hold you guys up to account for being so | :16:36. | :16:41. | |
simplistic! We do not like simplicity. Is it not the case than | :16:42. | :16:46. | |
in ancient Greece, the people were obliged to participate in politics? | :16:47. | :16:52. | |
On one occasion. Did you get an invitation to the jungle this time? | :16:53. | :16:58. | |
I could not possibly comment. Now, it is late, and Tony Parsons joins | :16:59. | :17:09. | |
us now to discuss the politics of remembrance. Here, I am | :17:10. | :17:23. | |
contractually obliged to plug something on the internet, and here | :17:24. | :17:27. | |
is the page, for those of you who still use Facebook. Not that long | :17:28. | :17:32. | |
ago, in a studio not far away, there was Newsnight. People between eight | :17:33. | :17:40. | |
team and 23 turned out in their hundreds this week to audition for | :17:41. | :17:45. | |
the new Star Wars film. -- between 18 and 23. We sent Nick Watt of the | :17:46. | :17:49. | |
Guardian to join them. Mum, I think when I grow up, I want | :17:50. | :18:08. | |
to be Luke Skywalker, or maybe I want to be Neil Kinnock. I have not | :18:09. | :18:20. | |
decided yet. Open auditions have started in Bristol for the next Star | :18:21. | :18:23. | |
Wars film. Tel work I am off sick. Can I take | :18:24. | :18:40. | |
the car? In politics, you only get one shot at realising your dreams. | :18:41. | :18:45. | |
Everybody is after the top job, and you end up playing the hero or the | :18:46. | :18:55. | |
villain. Let's go. Westminster's leading man, that's the Prime | :18:56. | :18:58. | |
Minister, once told us that he takes no pleasure in imposing | :18:59. | :19:05. | |
intergalactic spending cuts. Then he stood up in front of the City's | :19:06. | :19:10. | |
finest and said, perhaps austerity was not that bad after all. It means | :19:11. | :19:15. | |
building a leaner, more efficient state. We need to do more with less, | :19:16. | :19:21. | |
not just now but permanently. It can be done. The Prime Minister would | :19:22. | :19:26. | |
like us to think that that is what he has always believed, but it is a | :19:27. | :19:29. | |
little difficult to know exactly what he does and after the Tories | :19:30. | :19:34. | |
deleted nearly a decade's worth of speeches from their website. This is | :19:35. | :19:37. | |
what he had to say about austerity in 2009. And in 2010... | :19:38. | :19:52. | |
These are not the files you are looking for. This was jolly handy, | :19:53. | :19:58. | |
because in 2010, the Prime Minister said that he was introducing out of | :19:59. | :20:02. | |
necessity, not out of ideological zeal. The Prime Minister believes | :20:03. | :20:08. | |
that his health and education reforms show that efficiency rather | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
than cash can deliver change. The danger for him is that he sends | :20:14. | :20:17. | |
mixed messages and hands a gift to his understudy, who is desperate to | :20:18. | :20:22. | |
differentiate himself from the Tories. On the right of British | :20:23. | :20:29. | |
politics, you have got a view which says, it is good to cut for its own | :20:30. | :20:35. | |
sake. I do not think you should be ideological about trying to slash | :20:36. | :20:39. | |
the size of the state. On the left, you have got a view which says you | :20:40. | :20:47. | |
should spend for its own sake. But it is a brave Tory Prime Minister | :20:48. | :20:50. | |
who says it is right to cut out of choice, when Labour is ahead in the | :20:51. | :20:57. | |
poles on things like schools and hospitals. -- in the polls. Oh, no, | :20:58. | :21:05. | |
iPod rocket fuel in the engine, not unleaded. Mum is going to kill me. | :21:06. | :21:16. | |
-- I put rocket fuel. For the first time in a long time, you do not have | :21:17. | :21:20. | |
to be an optimist to see that the glass is half full. Good economic | :21:21. | :21:30. | |
news always comes with a health warning. The quicker than expected | :21:31. | :21:34. | |
fall in unemployment means that the governor is going to have to bring | :21:35. | :21:37. | |
forward his assessment of whether interest rates should rise. Mark | :21:38. | :21:43. | |
Carney downplayed suggestions that rates would be shooting up just | :21:44. | :21:47. | |
before the general election. Labour maintained its focus on the cost of | :21:48. | :21:51. | |
living, and what one of its rising stars described as the pernicious | :21:52. | :21:55. | |
effect of the bedroom tax. Sorry, the spare room subsidy. | :21:56. | :22:07. | |
If the government sticks its head in the sand, let no one be in any | :22:08. | :22:12. | |
doubt, this will be the beginning, not the end, of our campaign to | :22:13. | :22:17. | |
cancel this unjust and unworkable tax, and if the Government does not | :22:18. | :22:20. | |
repeal it, the next Labour government will. | :22:21. | :22:34. | |
There is no danger of a winter health crisis for the Prime | :22:35. | :22:39. | |
Minister, who jetted off to India on a trade mission this week. He is | :22:40. | :22:43. | |
then heading to Sri Lanka for the Commonwealth Heads of Government | :22:44. | :22:45. | |
meeting. Labour is telling the Prime Minister he should boycott it in | :22:46. | :22:50. | |
protest at the treatment from Colombo of the Tamil minority at the | :22:51. | :22:57. | |
end of the 26 year war. There are legitimate accusations of war crimes | :22:58. | :23:00. | |
which need to be properly investigated. That is actually what | :23:01. | :23:04. | |
the Sri Lankan government with its own reconciliation exercise found, | :23:05. | :23:08. | |
that there were more questions to be answered. But that needs to be | :23:09. | :23:14. | |
done. Great, that is my audition over. Oh, one person who will not be | :23:15. | :23:19. | |
sending any takes any time soon is Nadine Dorries, who had to apologise | :23:20. | :23:30. | |
for failing to declare her feet for appearing on I Am A Celebrity. I | :23:31. | :23:36. | |
wish to apologise to the house for what was a genuinely inadvertent | :23:37. | :23:37. | |
breach of the rules. It has arrived! They love my | :23:38. | :23:54. | |
audition tape, and they want me to join the set in Australia. | :23:55. | :24:06. | |
Well, whilst Nick Watt was securing his future in Star Wars, we have had | :24:07. | :24:13. | |
Miranda Green joining us on the sofa. And you have it all to | :24:14. | :24:18. | |
yourself, unlike these guys, bunched up together. The economy, you have | :24:19. | :24:24. | |
already said you think there is going to be a rise in interest | :24:25. | :24:27. | |
rates, so do you see the glass as half full? I do, but I think the | :24:28. | :24:34. | |
growth of the economy, although it brings many benefits, also brings | :24:35. | :24:38. | |
challenges. House prices are rising very fast in London and the | :24:39. | :24:45. | |
south-east, but my view is that with this huge pool of unemployed | :24:46. | :24:48. | |
labourer in the European Community, there will be a lot of immigration | :24:49. | :24:52. | |
into this country, which will keep wage levels low. So, wages are | :24:53. | :24:57. | |
unlikely to increase very much, and prices are increasing very fast, | :24:58. | :25:01. | |
which is one reason interest rates have to go up. However, if interest | :25:02. | :25:07. | |
rates go up, that drives people's mortgages up, so at least one | :25:08. | :25:10. | |
section of the population will be hurting. What would you be saying to | :25:11. | :25:20. | |
Labour now about Plan A, and how to counter it? I do not think they need | :25:21. | :25:28. | |
any advice from me. We used to be asked, how come, if the economy is | :25:29. | :25:31. | |
doing so badly, Labour are profiting from it? Turn it around, how come, | :25:32. | :25:37. | |
coming out of recession, Labour are ten points ahead? It is obviously | :25:38. | :25:43. | |
something to do with the switch towards standard of living, and the | :25:44. | :25:48. | |
fact that people are not feeling any gain from this, particularly where I | :25:49. | :25:53. | |
represent, up in the North. I do not know where I am with Cameron now. If | :25:54. | :25:59. | |
you years ago, he was criticising us for not expanding the amount of | :26:00. | :26:03. | |
money we were spending on education and health as quickly as he wanted | :26:04. | :26:06. | |
to, but now, he wants a small estate. A few years ago, Osborne was | :26:07. | :26:12. | |
talking about exports and investment, but now it looks like | :26:13. | :26:17. | |
exactly as it did before, based on debt and a housing bubble. And yet | :26:18. | :26:28. | |
Plan A... It is quite hard you can hardly say that Osborne has been a | :26:29. | :26:31. | |
raving success. The fiscal deficit, which was the big issue for | :26:32. | :26:35. | |
government, they said, that is what we have got to get down, next year | :26:36. | :26:40. | |
it will be something like 79 billion. Our GDP is still 2.5% lower | :26:41. | :26:46. | |
than it was before the crisis. In America, France and Germany, it is | :26:47. | :26:51. | |
above that. But what is worrying for Labour is that Cameron is ahead of | :26:52. | :26:58. | |
Miliband, and also, the economy. But the big question is whether the | :26:59. | :27:01. | |
Labour strategists are right, as they are now crowing, saying, people | :27:02. | :27:09. | |
will work on -- people will vote on Micro, not macro. It is not worth | :27:10. | :27:12. | |
Labour getting into that conversation, I think. And they have | :27:13. | :27:17. | |
done the smart thing, which is move on to the question of how people | :27:18. | :27:21. | |
feel. It is the Ronald Reagan slogan, you feel better off than you | :27:22. | :27:26. | |
did at the last election? That is the real danger for the Government. | :27:27. | :27:29. | |
Particularly on interest rates, because so far, this recession, if | :27:30. | :27:36. | |
you are in work and a homeowner, you have got off pretty lightly, because | :27:37. | :27:40. | |
those mortgage rates have stayed incredibly low. And we have all got | :27:41. | :27:45. | |
used to that, so a rate rise will feel like a horrible shock to a lot | :27:46. | :27:48. | |
of people. What do you think the Lib Dems should do now, with this change | :27:49. | :27:52. | |
of language coming from Cameron, which basically says, we can do this | :27:53. | :28:00. | |
alone, forget the understudy? Well, they can do it alone if the | :28:01. | :28:03. | |
electorate gives them the opportunity to do that. I know there | :28:04. | :28:07. | |
have been theories that David Cameron actually prefers a coalition | :28:08. | :28:11. | |
to dealing with his own right wing, but you can actually -- cannot | :28:12. | :28:18. | |
actually govern alone if you do not win an election. The problem his | :28:19. | :28:22. | |
party has with him as a leader is that so far, he has not proved | :28:23. | :28:28. | |
himself a winner. He has had to say this because as you say, he would | :28:29. | :28:34. | |
rather lead a coalition, because there are 30-40 people in the | :28:35. | :28:37. | |
Conservative Party who would make his life impossible. So, he has two | :28:38. | :28:42. | |
emphasise that he wants a Conservative majority government. Is | :28:43. | :28:49. | |
it not just part of him taking his party back into itself. The big | :28:50. | :28:53. | |
society seems to have disappeared, other things as well, it is very | :28:54. | :28:59. | |
much an approach for the election, and just looking to get his core | :29:00. | :29:03. | |
vote. Well, that is not going to win him the election. The thing which | :29:04. | :29:09. | |
has survived, like a snowman into June, is the overseas aid. Michael | :29:10. | :29:15. | |
was mentioning immigration, and there have been strong words from | :29:16. | :29:18. | |
Jack Straw this week, I wonder what you're made of those, when he said | :29:19. | :29:24. | |
opening Britain's borders to Eastern European migrants was a spectacular | :29:25. | :29:36. | |
mistake? It was 2004. The birth rate was going down, the dependency | :29:37. | :29:40. | |
ratio, the number of people working compared to those retired, had gone | :29:41. | :29:44. | |
down from 12 to one, when Lloyd George introduced a pension, down to | :29:45. | :29:50. | |
four to one, and we had a 75% employment rate, one of the highest | :29:51. | :29:56. | |
ever seen. For Sweden, Ireland and Britain, the three most successful | :29:57. | :30:03. | |
economies, actually, there was a lot of sense to doing that. At the same | :30:04. | :30:07. | |
time, we initiated a review that put up the state pension age. It was | :30:08. | :30:12. | |
trying to tackle that. There was a very good argument for doing it. The | :30:13. | :30:16. | |
fact is that they got the sums wrong and the numbers coming over here | :30:17. | :30:21. | |
were much greater than forecast. But the actual decision to do that... I | :30:22. | :30:28. | |
suppose it is like good economics and bad policy, in the same way as | :30:29. | :30:32. | |
right to buy was good politics and bad economics. The point about the | :30:33. | :30:38. | |
dependency ratio, the ratio between those working and those claiming | :30:39. | :30:42. | |
pensions, remains grim. The document for having large scale immigration | :30:43. | :30:47. | |
remains very strong. But it is interesting, these lines, coupled | :30:48. | :30:52. | |
with David Blunkett's comments about the possibility of riots unless | :30:53. | :30:58. | |
migrants change their behaviour... I don't agree with that. I think the | :30:59. | :31:03. | |
group who recorded I predict a riot came from Leeds, not Sheffield. | :31:04. | :31:09. | |
David would be equally appalled by this, dark forces on the right. The | :31:10. | :31:14. | |
fact is, when we made the decision in 2004, there were only three | :31:15. | :31:20. | |
countries that the accession countries could have freedom of | :31:21. | :31:29. | |
movement to. His language was more emollient but he was saying there | :31:30. | :31:33. | |
are social cohesion problems with large-scale immigration from a | :31:34. | :31:35. | |
particular group that does not integrate, which is a fair point. | :31:36. | :31:39. | |
But I am very nervous about this as well. There has been a huge problem | :31:40. | :31:44. | |
for a long time. The argument Michael makes and Allen makes, I | :31:45. | :31:48. | |
agree with wholeheartedly, that immigration is good for the economy | :31:49. | :31:53. | |
and the country in a lot of ways. But it has remained an elite view | :31:54. | :31:56. | |
because the political elite have refused to address the effect that | :31:57. | :32:00. | |
it has on those groups that have to pay for it. This is UKIP creeping | :32:01. | :32:08. | |
into every narrative from each party. There is a substance issue, | :32:09. | :32:18. | |
too. Well motivated, qualified men from southern Europe is one thing. | :32:19. | :32:23. | |
People who do not integrate - and I think David Blunkett was talking | :32:24. | :32:26. | |
about Roma communities - that is a different problem. He cited | :32:27. | :32:32. | |
particular examples of problems of integration. I think he was probably | :32:33. | :32:37. | |
being straightforward. But the political problem it leaves us with | :32:38. | :32:41. | |
is government targets on bringing down immigration rates in an | :32:42. | :32:45. | |
arbitrary way, which is costing important sectors like universities | :32:46. | :32:48. | |
and is about nothing, really, because it is not about tackling | :32:49. | :32:52. | |
Eastern European immigration, which is the political problem in the | :32:53. | :32:57. | |
first place. Miranda, thank you. Now, its that point in the programme | :32:58. | :33:02. | |
where you're flagging a bit. I'm wondering what I can get away with | :33:03. | :33:05. | |
without losing the day job. As you've heard from Mark Carney, your | :33:06. | :33:09. | |
glass is already half full. None of that debauched Blue Nun this week. | :33:10. | :33:12. | |
That's been deleted too. Tonight, we proffer the warm fuzzy glow of a | :33:13. | :33:16. | |
Panda Cola left on a corner shop shelf since the mid 1970s. So finish | :33:17. | :33:20. | |
the job and get pouring, because its time for a handbreak turn more | :33:21. | :33:23. | |
awkward than John McCririck turning up unnannounced at Tessa Jowell's | :33:24. | :33:26. | |
book club. It's time for the Politics of Rememberance. | :33:27. | :33:40. | |
The nation marked a week of remembrance with Royals, | :33:41. | :33:46. | |
politicians, veterans and the public honouring those who served and those | :33:47. | :33:50. | |
who paid the ultimate price. With even the Lord Mayor of Belfast | :33:51. | :33:55. | |
paying his respects, as the first Sinn Fein politician to attend an | :33:56. | :34:01. | |
Armistice Day ceremony in person. This is the most difficult decision | :34:02. | :34:04. | |
I have had to make in three decades of politics and community activism. | :34:05. | :34:09. | |
My view, and a view of my Sinn Fein colleagues in the council and the | :34:10. | :34:13. | |
country, was that it is the correct place to be today. And strangers | :34:14. | :34:21. | |
from all over attended a funeral after a newspaper advert called for | :34:22. | :34:25. | |
mourners for the 99 your old veteran who had few close family and friends | :34:26. | :34:31. | |
left. But there was criticism, too, of a war movie for shooting in the | :34:32. | :34:36. | |
Oxfordshire countryside, and an ITV newsreader for failing to wear a | :34:37. | :34:40. | |
poppy on air. So, is the way we remember a matter of personal | :34:41. | :34:45. | |
choice, or an obligation on us all? And how important is it to be seen | :34:46. | :34:50. | |
to remember the dead? At least Westminster politicians know how to | :34:51. | :34:54. | |
deflect criticism, with not a donkey jacket insight. | :34:55. | :35:01. | |
Tony is here now. That was quite an interesting site, that sense of the | :35:02. | :35:07. | |
importance of being seen to commemorate in the right way. It is | :35:08. | :35:12. | |
the one moment you cannot afford to get wrong. It is our national day. I | :35:13. | :35:19. | |
was at the Senate after on Sunday and it really does feel like our | :35:20. | :35:24. | |
national day, when we are not in our ghetto of April the 23rd for the | :35:25. | :35:27. | |
English and another day for the Irish. We really do feel like a | :35:28. | :35:33. | |
United Kingdom. I think the politicians are largely superfluous. | :35:34. | :35:38. | |
They do not need to be there. It is about the marching and the crowds, | :35:39. | :35:41. | |
and about the glorious dead, the fallen, the men and women who are | :35:42. | :35:47. | |
not there. You get a sense they are holding their breath, because the | :35:48. | :35:52. | |
ghost of Michael foot hovers over those men, with their very | :35:53. | :35:56. | |
respectable black coats and poppies in place. You get a sense that a | :35:57. | :36:01. | |
political career could be ruined there in a moment. They do have to | :36:02. | :36:07. | |
turn up, don't they? These are the men who have sent young men to their | :36:08. | :36:13. | |
deaths. Tony Blair was there, hovering in the second row. Of | :36:14. | :36:18. | |
course they have to be there. But I don't think there is an obligation | :36:19. | :36:22. | |
to remember. You remember because it is the right thing to do, because it | :36:23. | :36:26. | |
is a day to reflect that many of the freedoms we take for granted were | :36:27. | :36:30. | |
hard earned and hard-won by previous generations. It is a very moving | :36:31. | :36:36. | |
day. When you see 80-year-old veterans from the Second World War | :36:37. | :36:40. | |
and 20-year-old kids who have lost legs in Afghanistan, it is a | :36:41. | :36:46. | |
difficult day to not be profoundly moved by. I wonder whether it has | :36:47. | :36:51. | |
had a greater significance possibly in the last ten or 15 years of fans | :36:52. | :36:56. | |
certainly when I was growing up, because of all the wars. I have just | :36:57. | :37:04. | |
noticed it over the years I have been in Parliament. There was a | :37:05. | :37:07. | |
bigger crowd this year than ever before. Although the memory gets | :37:08. | :37:12. | |
fainter, and the whole of the First World War generation have now gone, | :37:13. | :37:16. | |
and the Second World War generation, who were in their 40s when I started | :37:17. | :37:20. | |
work and worked alongside them in the Post Office, they are now into | :37:21. | :37:25. | |
retirement. And yet more and more of the public turn up at these | :37:26. | :37:28. | |
remembrance day services every year. I think something has brought it to | :37:29. | :37:36. | |
prominence and importance. Iraq and Afghanistan have been a large part | :37:37. | :37:42. | |
of it. I can remember in the 1970s, service men could not wear their | :37:43. | :37:45. | |
uniforms on leave. That was forbidden. That has changed. There | :37:46. | :37:54. | |
has been an assertion of national identity. The recent wars are part | :37:55. | :38:02. | |
of it, and the sacrifice. We see the selfless quality of those World War | :38:03. | :38:05. | |
II veterans. They are no different from the young men and women serving | :38:06. | :38:10. | |
in Helmand. They are no different from the people that stormed the | :38:11. | :38:14. | |
beaches at Normandy. There was a little storm this week about one | :38:15. | :38:22. | |
newsreader on ITV who refused to wear her poppy on hair for reasons | :38:23. | :38:26. | |
that she gave, which was that she supports a lot of charities and did | :38:27. | :38:32. | |
not want to do them publicly. Bullying people into wearing poppies | :38:33. | :38:36. | |
is absolutely wrong. It has become an ostentation. When it is an | :38:37. | :38:41. | |
ostentation, you begin to doubt the sincerity of the people caught up in | :38:42. | :38:45. | |
it. For example, if you go to a TV studio, you are more or less not | :38:46. | :38:50. | |
allowed in unless you are wearing a poppy. If you go to a radio studio | :38:51. | :38:54. | |
you can be there without a poppy. And do you go to lengths to put on a | :38:55. | :39:01. | |
public radio and TV? I wear one throughout the period, although I am | :39:02. | :39:04. | |
slightly worried about how longer period is becoming. This year | :39:05. | :39:09. | |
started on the 27th of October, which struck me as very early. In | :39:10. | :39:15. | |
the House of Commons, 100% of MPs wear poppies. In the population, it | :39:16. | :39:21. | |
may be 20 or 30%. You have people wearing the poppy because they | :39:22. | :39:24. | |
believe they have two wear it. The poppy is a very fine symbol, but | :39:25. | :39:28. | |
like many things it can be abused as well as used. That is true. The | :39:29. | :39:35. | |
newsreader was strange. I feel desperately sorry for any woman, and | :39:36. | :39:39. | |
they are mostly women, that get abused by idiots on Twitter. But it | :39:40. | :39:45. | |
was strange, her thesis, the premise that she was not wearing a poppy | :39:46. | :39:48. | |
because she supports other charities, as though it was the | :39:49. | :39:55. | |
dog's trust. I think it is not another charity. It is not just | :39:56. | :40:02. | |
another charity. Wearing your poppy and remembering, for two minutes a | :40:03. | :40:07. | |
year, people who gave their future for you, your lifestyle and | :40:08. | :40:10. | |
liberty, and all of the things we do not think about, it is not just | :40:11. | :40:16. | |
another charity. I think it is wrong to say that. I agree that it is | :40:17. | :40:20. | |
special but I still do not want to tell anybody that they have to do | :40:21. | :40:24. | |
it. And neither do I make the mistake of looking at somebody not | :40:25. | :40:27. | |
wearing a poppy and thinking, that person does not remember, and | :40:28. | :40:31. | |
someone who does and thinking, that person does. In Parliament, it is a | :40:32. | :40:41. | |
different situation. You are an elected representative. Unlike the | :40:42. | :40:46. | |
public that are not wearing one, if my constituents see me not wearing a | :40:47. | :40:51. | |
poppy, they think somehow my views, which matter because they elected me | :40:52. | :40:54. | |
and I'm elected on the platform of my views, that that means I am | :40:55. | :40:58. | |
against them. What about the conflict itself? Should that have | :40:59. | :41:05. | |
any bearing on whether you choose... I don't know what the | :41:06. | :41:09. | |
stats were after Iraq, whether fewer people felt that they did want to, | :41:10. | :41:14. | |
or more people felt they would. I think more people. But if there is | :41:15. | :41:19. | |
an anger towards whether you think something is a just war or not, | :41:20. | :41:24. | |
should that affect it? I do not think that changes the fact that | :41:25. | :41:28. | |
young men and women have died fighting for their country. I think | :41:29. | :41:33. | |
people feel enormous sympathy for our fighting men and women, that | :41:34. | :41:36. | |
they are going to wars that are really not like the war that my | :41:37. | :41:40. | |
father fought. It is not a war of national survival. We are not forced | :41:41. | :41:48. | |
into fighting in Iraq, or the Taliban in Afghanistan. I recently | :41:49. | :41:59. | |
read that we are there to combat the heroin industry, but the heroin | :42:00. | :42:02. | |
industry is booming in Afghanistan. I think a lot of the ball field | :42:03. | :42:07. | |
desperately sad that the brightest and the best, the flower of our | :42:08. | :42:12. | |
nation are being sent off to not a better war. There is a suspicion | :42:13. | :42:19. | |
among some people that politicians wearing poppies and talking about | :42:20. | :42:24. | |
heroes and heroines and so on could be using it as a way to avoid having | :42:25. | :42:29. | |
to answer questions about the causes of the wards, or the purposes of the | :42:30. | :42:32. | |
war to which they sending young men and women. And I think we need to | :42:33. | :42:41. | |
bear that in mind, too. The names of the dead are read out in the House | :42:42. | :42:45. | |
of Commons now, and that seems like an ostentation, to me. It is not | :42:46. | :42:50. | |
necessary to take Parliamentary time. It is right that they are | :42:51. | :42:55. | |
remembered, of course. Once you start, you can't stop, can you? | :42:56. | :42:58. | |
That's your lot for tonight folks, but not for us. I'm taking the boys | :42:59. | :43:02. | |
out of their Annabel's comfort zone. We're heading off to The Fruit | :43:03. | :43:06. | |
Machine in Vauxhall. It's not Rio, but its on the Victoria line. Anyway | :43:07. | :43:09. | |
we shouldn't be telling you this. Ministers got told off this week for | :43:10. | :43:12. | |
announcing their Parliamentary business on Twitter, instead of | :43:13. | :43:15. | |
before the House. Professionally, it doesn't get any better than this. | :43:16. | :43:18. | |
What a way to sign off. Good night. | :43:19. | :43:25. |