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Tonight on This Week, as Jack Bauer and 24 returns to our screens, and

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hits the streets of London, this may be the longest night of your life.

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The political clock is ticking. It's only 363 days until the general

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election. Can Agent Ed Miliband follow protocol and secure victory

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at the polls? Blairite journalist and and former trade union official

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Dan Hodges thinks time is running out fast for the Labour leader. Ed

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Miliband is no action hero. And to be honest, I can't see him being

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Prime Minister either. When it comes to the proposed

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takeover of AstraZeneca by US rival Pfizer, the Prime Minister and Ed

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Miliband clash over whether the ends justify the means. BBC political

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operative James Landale is on the mean streets of Westminster. This

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issue goes to the heart of the debate that is dominating politics.

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Ed Miliband wants to be the man who is taking on the predators for the

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people. David Cameron wants to be the man who is bringing business and

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jobs to Britain. And a terror plot that's far from

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fictional, almost 300 girls kidnapped in Nigeria by Islamist

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militants scared of girls being educated. Comic, writer and

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campaigner Ruby Wax talks intellectual confidence. And some

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people have more confidence than intellect. I'm not naming names,

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Andrew. Copy that. I'm Federal Agent Andrew Neil. You

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are gonna tell me what I wanna know. It's just a matter of how much you

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want it to hurt. Evenin' all. Welcome to a special

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halal edition of This Week, where being ritually slaughtered on Blue

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Nun is always clearly stated on the menu. Differentiation is the name of

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the game this week, with self-styled Deputy PM Nick Clegg deciding to

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oppose a Tory plan to jail automatically anyone convicted twice

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for carrying a knife. Cleggover dismisses the two-stabs-and-your-out

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policy as a headline-grabbing stunt, which makes it a first in British

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politics. Not! But it raises an intriguing philosophical question.

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Given David Cameron fought the last election promising to "send a

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serious, unambiguous message" by automatically jailing anyone

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convicted only once for carrying a knife, can the Lib Dems really be

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criticised for opposing a policy Call-Me-Dave deemed inadequate at

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the last election? Can they? I'll leave you to ponder and get back to

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me. Speaking of existential conundrums that make your head

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explode, I'm joined on the sofa tonight by two strategic assets the

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Americans would love to get their hands on. Think of them as the

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AstraZenica and Louisiana Purchase of late night political chat. I

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speak, of course, of #sadmanonatrain Michael Portillo and #baffled Diane

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Abbott. Welcome, both. Your moment, Michael. Very sadly the ill-health

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of Chris Patten means there has been a new chairman of the BBC Trust. I

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have always supported the licence fee but have recently come to the

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conclusion that it can no longer be justified in terms of competition,

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apart from anything else. You now have so many outlets and platforms

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in the media that have one, the BBC, with all of its programming and its

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website funded by taxpayers in competition with everybody else

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seems unjustifiable. I think the BBC needs to get on with thinking about

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that. I don't think being chairman of chief executive of the BBC can

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any more be about defending the licence fee and trying to squeeze

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the most out of the government, and hoping it will keep pace with

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inflation. Somebody has to be doing the intellectual exercise of

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thinking about a BBC beyond the licence fee. I fear that the last

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three years have been lost in that respect. Enjoy your final programme

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tonight! I am sure it will be a happy retirement. I assume you have

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ruled yourself out. That wasn't your application for the job, was it? I

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think that was not a job application! Your moment of the week

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is to mark it is a sad story but it was President Goodluck Jonathan's

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statement about the abduction of hundreds of Nigerian girls, three

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weeks after it occurred. It is a very difficult task. The terrorists

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may have melted over the border, but I think the completely inadequate

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response of the Nigerian government, I don't think they realised how it

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looks to the rest of the world. It looked like he was forced. Exactly.

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I also read that some of the mothers went to see his wife and she had one

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of them arrested. If ever there was a leader out of touch with his

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country, it is him. When you see headlines saying that the SAS are on

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the way, you can be sure the SAS will be nowhere near. Yes.

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Now, it may have passed you by, but yesterday marked a year to go till

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the next general election. Wow! 12 whole months of electioneering,

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slogans and junk through your letterbox to look forward to. But

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how are the parties shaping up for the fight? Labour, who have led the

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opinion polls for most of the Parliament, are now at risk of

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losing their lead. This week they've floated a raft of policies and

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positions which some call a lurch to the left, and produced a party

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political broadcast with a strong class war appeal. Is that a winning

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formula? We turned to former Labour man and Daily Telegraph journalist

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Dan Hodges. This is his take of the week.

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# Insects. # We have crickets, bug salad, and we

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have Give me five minutes. Three years

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ago, when Ed Miliband was first selected, the Labour Party convinced

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itself it could go into the next election with an appetising offer

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for the electorate. Miliband was a fresh political face, his party was

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united behind him and the nation was tired of the austerities diet being

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offered by David Cameron and the Tory coalition. Your crickets. Thank

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you. But now the election is one year away and the early optimism is

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fading. Labour has three main problems. The first is the Ed

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Miliband issue. For years, his supporters have been saying, wait

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until the voters get to know him. Welcome and they have got to know

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him and the more they have got to know him, the less they have liked

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him. Too many, he is strange, otherworldly and out of touch. Worm

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caviar! And then there is the economy. Not long ago Labour was

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telling us we were on the edge of a triple dip recession. Now they are

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trying to tell us we are experiencing the wrong kind of

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recovery. The reality is, the voters are not swallowing it. And then

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there is Labour's policy offer. There is very little on the menu. As

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we have seen this week, what there is has pulled Labour from the centre

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and lurched Labour to the left. That is not going to whet the appetite of

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the average swing voter. Some commentators still think Labour is

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on course for victory, but I just don't see. Their lead is too small

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and big gap on issues such as leadership and economic competence

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is too wide. I think Labour is heading for defeat in 2015, a defeat

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Ed Miliband and his party will find tough to swallow.

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And from the creepy crawlies at the Archipelago Restaurant in Fitzrovia

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to our own little creepy crawlies here in the heart of Westminster,

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Dan joins us now. Welcome. Diane, is Labour heading for defeat in the

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next election? You are talking about this as if it is a US presidential

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election. People vote for a political party and all of the

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pollsters, if you talk to them, say that we are going to win. But the

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Tories will try to make it a presidential election. They will

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try. But Dan is talking about this great economic recovery. It might

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look great in Blackheath, but in the rest of the country people know that

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the numbers are better, but their lives aren't any better. Have you

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been touring the rest of the country? I was in Croydon today. Not

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quite the rest of the country. I believe this will be a recovery

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without votes, because living standards and confident in the

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future is no better. So why are the polls narrowing? We have had a

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consistent but small lead and Ike Spector is to keep that. The lead

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has been narrowing. Why do you so dislike Ed Miliband? It is not that

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I dislike him on a personal level. Obviously he is quite clearly

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pursuing the wrong political strategy. I just don't think he is

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going to be Prime Minister. Surprisingly, I think he has had an

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opportunity to be Prime Minister but the strategy he has pursued and the

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strategy Labour is pursuing, if you thought of a worse strategy for

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Labour to pursue, you could not come up with much worse. Is the problem

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strategy, or personal? Strategy. It is not him? His poll ratings are not

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good. In terms of the polling, the problems are that both in terms of

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his personal ratings on the leadership issue and on economic

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competence, Labour is 20 points behind. That is a huge albatross.

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But the big reason Labour is not going to win next year is because

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Labour is not trying to win in the classical sense of getting more

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votes than the opposition. They are pursuing this 35% strategy and

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hoping they will get 35% and the vagaries of the electoral system

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will help them stagger over the line. Ed Miliband's personal poll

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ratings are not great, but neither were Mrs Thatcher's in 1979. She did

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still win and Mr Miliband needs, because of what Dan calls the

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vagaries of our electoral system, he only needs 35% of the vote. It will

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not be like 1979, because Margaret Thatcher got over 40%, a big number.

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What is happening at the moment, it is a vote less election. All the

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parties are doing badly apart from UKIP. The polls are showing figures

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of 30% Conservatives and 30% for Labour. Both of those figures are

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terribly low in case of -- in the case of each party. In each case,

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they would normally mean defeat, if it were not for the fact that the

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other party is doing just as badly. This is not an election about

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whether Ed Miliband can win. It is precisely the last point that Dan

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made, whether Labour gets tried over the line in an extraordinary

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situation. 30% is the sort of number that for the Conservatives produced

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160 seats in 1997, 2001. Not only not a winning position, but

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desperately short. What we know is that if Labour and the Conservatives

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score the same number, whatever the number, Labour wins. You are all

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forgetting that ordinary people, not those like us, they don't start to

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focus on general elections until much later on in the cycle. I

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believe when they come to focus on this general election, the Tories

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are going to be even more unpopular than in 2010 when they lost, and

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they will lose again. It is also possible that the opposite will

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happen, and if the focus goes on Ed Miliband it will go badly. On what

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basis will the Tories be popular next summer? You must be happy that

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Ed Miliband seems to be shifting Labour to the left. Chance would be

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a fine thing. He is talking about taking the Labour finances Ashgrove

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fractures taking the railway franchises back into some form

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public ownership. It actually constitutes policies which are

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actually very popular. As a practising politician, all things

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being equal, I like popular policies and these are popular policies. And

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they are popular. But the poll rating is not bearing that out, is

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it? I think the big problem for Labour is that the parties are

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currently neck and neck, but that is with UKIP currently polling at 12%.

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UKIP is not going to get 12% in the general election and the majority of

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voters that switch back will go to the Tories. The Lib Dems are polling

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at 8% and they are not going to get that in the general election. They

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will be up 13 or 14 points, I expect. And that is coming straight

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off Labour. At the moment they are at level pegging when Labour should

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be at least ten points ahead. By the time of the election next year, the

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only way that the polls can go is that the Tories will go up and

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Labour will go down. Those figures about the Lib Dems are misleading.

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They will hold seats you might not expect. But overall they are going

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to lose seats. Isn't Mr Miliband's biggest asset that for the first

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time in living memory, the right is divided? Mrs Thatcher benefited from

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the left being divided. The right has been divided for 20 years.

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Between different political parties. 1997, 2001, 2005, 2010 for that

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matter, it has been about the Conservatives being terrified of

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losing votes to the right. Despite intellectually understanding they

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had to fight on the centre ground, in the end they decided to assuage

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the Daily Mail and try to shore up their 35%. This is the first

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election in which the Tories will face a credible party to their

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right. I don't think that is the case. What was there before? It was

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UKIP last time. It has become more credible but the Conservatives have

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faced the same problem of shifting themselves to the right in order to

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avoid being headed off by a right-wing party and losing votes in

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the centre. Certainly not after... You are going Lib Dem? Especially

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after that preposterous disgraceful political broadcast... It was not

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intended for YOU, Dan. Just as well. It is intended for people that voted

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Lib Dem because we all love Nick and now they regret it! It would be

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wrong to pose as Labour's critical friend because you have moved beyond

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that? I don't think anyone is in any doubt about what I think about Ed

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Miliband or the Labour Party. Right. Dan thinks that Mr Cameron will be

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Prime Minister with an overall majority, am I right? Yes. Diane? Ed

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Miliband will be Prime Minister with a small but sufficient overall

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majority. An Ed Miliband Prime Ministership is the most likely

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outcome. That is not the same as saying that is my prediction. I

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agree with what Dan said about the way things can shift and might

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shift. What is your prediction? Well, if I were forced to predict

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now, I would say Ed Miliband would be Prime Minister. But that is not

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my prediction because I think there is a lot that will happen. OK. You

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have lost me! I think it is perfectly simple. The viewers will

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understand that and that is all that matters to me! We will see if the

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viewers understand. Let me know now. Dan, thank you.

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Now it's late, Reverend Flowers late, so you're probably wide awake

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and feeling rather guilty, so prepare to serve your paltry

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sentence. Because waiting in the wings, comic, writer, campaigner,

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Ruby Wax is here, to discuss "intellectual confidence". We have

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just seen a bit of that. With a certain Diane Abbott. And Michael

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Denzil Xavier Portillo. Thank god we're not discussing intellectual

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humility or they'd have nothing to say! And remember, if you're too

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smart or too stupid for all this, we'd rather not hear from you.

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Unfortunately, the BBC insist we inform you about The Twitter, The

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Fleecebook and The Interweb. Now, how do you get an MP to run a

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four-minute mile? Question them about their expenses. Boom boom! But

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it was 60 years ago this week that Sir Roger Bannister broke the then

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one-mile record. Always happy to celebrate a great British triumph,

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we challenged BBC Deputy Political Editor, James Landale, to get his

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spikes on, run round a track like a mad man, and at the same time give

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us his in-depth take on the week in Westminster. Will he succeed? I

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doubt it. Please look away now if you're of a nervous disposition -

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naked wet legs were involved in the making of this film!

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Hello and welcome to the highlight of this summer's sporting fixtures -

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the one-mile This Week Chase. 60 years ago Mr Roger Bannister did it

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under four minutes. I can tell you, four minutes is a long time in

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politics! Today's race is sponsored by Pfizer, that's why Mr Landale is

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determined not to get too stiff! That is why he is doing all those

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physical jerks. Don't try this at home, children! There's one year to

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go until the general election race begins, so today all the runners are

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limbering up for the early heats for a place in the local council and the

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ambition of every athlete - the chance to go to Europe! And they are

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off! For years, the Lib Dems have told us every election is a

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two-horse race. Not anymore. The political track is looking crowded

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for the euro elections and Nick Clegg's team could come fifth behind

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the Greens. We are the only party that have the courage to stand up to

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UKIP. The only party relied on to rein in the Conservatives, the only

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party to undo the damage done by Labour to our economy. I say - poor

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show! A bit of jiggery-pokery going on, just the argy-bargy the

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Institute of Government says is going on in coalition. Coalition, my

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bottom! The main pushing and shoving this week was over the news that the

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Yanks want to join the race - that's right, Pfizer, the American drugs

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firm, wants to get its leg over - sorry, takeover of that plucky

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British enterprise, AstraZeneca. I and my colleagues across Government

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engaged early with both companies to ensure the outcome is positive for

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the UK, precisely to avoid previous Government's failures in this type

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of situation. The fact is, over the last week, the Government has

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compromised the Astra board leading the chairman to urge the Prime

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Minister to adopt a neutral position. Finally, Mr Speaker, the

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bottom line is this: The assurances the Government has extracted from

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Pfizer are simply not worth the paper they are written on. That was

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the club junior starting the relay. Then it was time for the senior boys

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to pick up the baton, for Ed Miliband it was another chance to

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bash a beastly foreign company. For David Cameron, a very real test of

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his claim that Britain is winning the global race. Better go! I agree

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with what the Business Secretary said yesterday. Let me be clear. The

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most important intervention we can make is to back British jobs,

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British science, British R, make is to back British jobs,

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British medicines and British technology. Is he ruling out or

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ruling in using the public interest test on this takeover? If he does

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not take action now, and the bid goes through without a proper

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assessment, everyone will know he was cheerleading for this bid, not

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championing British science and British industry. One team that is

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making the running is the UKIPers, they have chosen a new candidate for

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the Newark by-election hurdle. As for their leader, Nigel Farage, he's

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keen to show us that he has lots of black friends, apparently. Let this

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picture of me on the stage with these wonderful men and women from

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all their different backgrounds and their united belief in being British

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and being part of this country and in wanting this country to be free

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and independent and proud. Let this be UKIP's clause for moment. --

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Clause IV moment. Black and ethnic minority voters are going to get

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more important. A report by a think-tank said they are going to

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make up a third of the country by 2050 and, at the moment, not many of

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them are voting for David Cameron, which is a bit of a problem if he

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wants to run again. Right now Mr David Cameron is well behind the

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leaders. He is hoping the growing economy will give him a late surge

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in the final straight, but those Tory legs, they are looking pretty

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tired. What we have got to have in our country is the politics of the

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answer rather than the politics of anger. What we have got to do is fix

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these problems. Fix our welfare system so it rewards the

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hard-working, fix our immigration system so it benefits the whole of

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our country, get our taxes down. So, the election finishing line is

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almost in sight, all the politicians desperate to be first past the post.

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Except, of course, it is not like that, these are European elections

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so it is proportional representation and it is decided by somebody...

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Sadly, he tripped over his shoelaces at the last minute and never made

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it! AstraZeneca and Pfizer, where are you on this - welcome to

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Miranda. Well, pharmaceuticals is one of our few indigenous and highly

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successful industries and so I would be pretty nervous of the Pfizer bid.

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I'm quite struck by the interventions that have been made,

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particularly by a former Chief Executive of AstraZeneca, who

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believes that we should be very suspicious of the bid. That would be

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my frame of mind. This is a problem for the Prime Minister? It is.

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Conservatives, particularly, in recent years - the last 20 or 30

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years - have been associated with the free market. Sometimes get a bit

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bamboozled by the idea that the free market is the only thing they should

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be thinking of. It is one of the things they should be thinking of,

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but it is not the only thing. The last Labour Government watered-down

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the public interest test? Was it? I take your word for that. And you

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should, because it's true. Miranda, do the Lib Dems have a view on this?

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Vince Cable is the Business Secretary, so they have to. Well,

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hold on. There can be a Lib Dem view and a Vince the Cable view? That is

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true. I think it is about striking a balance because it's been very

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striking, I think, that The Financial Times has said hold on a

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minute our science base is so important that we should look at

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this very carefully, it has been very striking, the intervention from

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the Swedish Finance Minister saying you can't believe the pledges from

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Pfizer and we have suffered in Sweden. So, you know, it is a moment

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where you, as Michael says, it can't just be about principles of openness

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to foreign investment, it has also got to be about if you choose to

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have industrial strategies on certain industries and if a

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challenge comes along to undermine your strategy, you do have to think

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twice about whether you let it go through. You don't have to look in

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the crystal ball, you can read the record. Pfizer has a history. First

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of all, everyone believes they want to come here because of the tax

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arrangements. OK. They have a history of asset-stripping companies

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they have taken over and selling off the constituent parts. That is what

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people... Why didn't Ed Miliband want to meet the Chief Executive

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when the Chief Executive of Pfizer offered to come and see him?

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Miliband could have said... No... We know you are an asset-stripper and

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he would have got a lot of kudos. But he turned down the meeting. What

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was the reason for that? The reality - that is a distraction. He said he

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was too busy campaigning to meet him. Ed Miliband doesn't know

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whether to trust him or not because he didn't meet him! It's given the

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Government certain assurances, Pfizer, it would continue with the

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R in Cambridge, which is the existing AstraZeneca plant. The

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European headquarters would be placed here and there are other

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things. What do you do if they break them? Exactly. You wouldn't be able

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to hold them to those pledges. I think the Government, you know, has

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to make a political gut decision. On the one hand, it is also plausible

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that if AstraZeneca is joined to Pfizer so that people in Britain are

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working for the largest pharmaceutical conglomerate in the

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world with some of the best pharmaceutical properties, that

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could be very advantageous. It is also possible to argue that it would

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be stripped out of Britain and taken somewhere else. We have some amazing

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pharmaceutical patents in AstraZeneca and you can see why

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Pfizer would want to get hold of them. They are falling off the

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patent cliff, most of the drugs which they have made a lot of money

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now are going out of patent and will become generic, which is why their

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pipeline... You talking about AstraZeneca or Pfizer? AstraZeneca.

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The recent drugs that AstraZeneca have done well with were developed

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in Maryland. I wonder if AstraZeneca is the big British Champion that

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British politicians seem to think it is. It employed 50,000 people

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worldwide. Most of it - a lot of its research is done in Maryland. It has

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closed research facilities in Britain as well. It is interesting -

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7,000 jobs on a day when 19,000 jobs are being lost in bhaR clays. --

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Barclays. Pfizer's promises remind me of Krafts's promises in relation

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to Cadbury's. It is not just about the tax come pe division, though. --

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competition, though. There is this question of the NHS has a testing

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ground for pharmaceutical discoveries. Gordon Brown, as Prime

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Minister, was very hot on this. He was hot on the fact that we have got

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a good research base. We have the ideal place to test it. The NHS is

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not the ideal place anymore. It is not being used by most of the big

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pharmaceuticals, it takes too long and it is too slow, so much of

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AstraZeneca's testing is done in Europe. It is probably the

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explanation of why we have had a very successful pharmaceutical

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industry that they had a tame NHS to fund their research. Should - at the

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moment, as I understand it, the Government has very little power to

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stop this in the end. I think at the end, the power lies with Brussels to

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stop this, or let it go ahead. Should the British Government have

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the power to stop this? I think Pfizer said that if they - if the

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British Government indicates it doesn't support this bid, it will

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withdraw. I think it should indicate it doesn't support the bid. That

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would stop it? That is what Pfizer are saying. Let me move on to ethnic

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minority voters. There is a report out this week, it showed that the

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Tories have a real problem with ethnic minority voters in that they

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don't get them. Why? It is a huge problem. Partly because the Tories

:29:56.:30:00.

have ceased to articulate some messages that were attractive in the

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Thatcher days - we were the party of aspiration. And for Asian voters,

:30:09.:30:12.

particularly Indian and Pakistani voters, that seemed to go down

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extremely well. Margaret Thatcher took enormous care to appear at

:30:17.:30:22.

Asian social events and to socialise with prominent British Asians.

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I think the second thing is that if you decide as a party that you want

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to go on saying immigration needs to be reined in, it is quite difficult,

:30:37.:30:41.

in the year of those who are first-generation immigrants, or

:30:42.:30:45.

immigrate -- immigrants themselves, it is difficult to distinguish

:30:46.:30:49.

between a party saying, we don't want many immigrants, and something

:30:50.:30:55.

different, saying we don't like people who are immigrants or

:30:56.:30:58.

descended from immigrants. It sounds the same. So I think what the

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Conservatives are doing is that in the very short term they are hoping

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they can shore up their dwindling, ageing traditional vote, by heading

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off UKIP, by talking about immigration. What they are doing

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strategically is driving away the voters of the future. So the

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discussion we just had about what will happen at the next election is,

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in my view, of secondary importance. It is what will happen

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to the Conservative Party in the longer term that is of primary

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importance. The Prime Minister is focused on the near-term, shoring up

:31:32.:31:34.

the vote for the next election, without a thought to the strategic

:31:35.:31:38.

question of how the Tory party will survive. Were you in Crest --

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impressed with UKIP's diversity display? The polling shows that I

:31:44.:31:53.

think one third of people think that UKIP is anti-immigrant, in the worst

:31:54.:31:58.

sense. He was trying to send a message saying that is a media myth

:31:59.:32:02.

and here are the pictures to prove it. It will have no impact, because

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the thing about anti-immigrant rhetoric, the Republicans have this

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problem. They went on and on about illegal immigrants, but then legal

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immigrants fled from the Republicans. It is what Michael was

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saying, you hear this anti-immigrant rhetoric, and even though you are

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here legally, you believe that party doesn't like you. Between us we have

:32:26.:32:33.

three immigrant parents. That's right. Is Nick Clegg right to oppose

:32:34.:32:40.

tougher sentences for knife crime? I think he probably is but I'm not

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sure whether the motives are entirely pure. I know, what an awful

:32:44.:32:50.

slur! But I think he is right because I don't think you should

:32:51.:32:53.

make sentencing policy on the basis of what makes good headlines. You

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should think about the evidence. There are many young people who

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carry knives, unfortunately, and that is the reality. If you say the

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second time a young person for whatever reason feels they need to

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carry a knife, if you put them into a criminal class, lock them up where

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they will probably become someone who is more likely to have a career

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of crime ahead of them than not, it is a bad idea. Are you dismayed that

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Mr Miliband has joined the government in this policy and is

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Nick Clegg is the one taking the liberal line against it? And can

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boast about that in the pages of the Guardian? I am dismayed. What is the

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point of taking kids who happen to be carrying knives, putting them in

:33:39.:33:41.

prison where they can become highly skilled career criminals? It is a

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trend of governments try to stop the courts using their discretion, but

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that is what courts are there for. Miranda, thank you very much.

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Now, political parties have always contained deep thinkers, big-brained

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people who wrestle with the big philosophical questions of the day

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providing intellectual foundations for a party's programme for

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government. One only has to think of Keith Joseph in the Conservative

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Party, Gordon Brown in the Labour Party, Sarah Teather in the Liberal

:34:06.:34:08.

Democrats. Great minds that didn't think alike, to which we can now

:34:09.:34:14.

apparently add Ed Miliband. And that's why we've decided to stroke

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our chin and put intellectual confidence in this week's spotlight.

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Ed Miliband chose a strange tactic in shedding his nerdy reputation

:34:30.:34:35.

this week, bragging about how big his brain is. He claimed he had more

:34:36.:34:40.

intellectual self-confidence than David Cameron, something the Prime

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Minister took exception to. Let me make this point because I worry it

:34:47.:34:51.

may be lost in this debate. And I know, of course, he thinks he is

:34:52.:34:54.

extremely clever, and we all know that, but he may have missed this

:34:55.:35:00.

point. UKIP also seized on the potency of mocking his bold claim.

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They showed that they are anti-IQ, two, with their by-election

:35:05.:35:10.

candidate appealing to the common-sense voter, by dismissing

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the Labour leader as to intellectual. One exam board wants

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to make the intellectual more accessible by proposing a more

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accessible English A-level, studying Russell Brand's views on drugs, and

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tweets. The Department for Education called the idea rubbish, but is it

:35:30.:35:34.

intellectual snobbery? And while we are arguing over how best to teach,

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in Nigeria, Boko Haram do not want Western teaching at all. The

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Islamist terror group has abducted almost 300 schoolgirls, kidnapped

:35:45.:35:49.

just for being educated. They are extremists and do not really

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understand Islam. Is lan says it is your duty to get an education. So

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how do you instil intellectual confidence, and why is showing off

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your big brain such a big deal? We are joined by Ruby wax. Welcome.

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What is intellectual confidence? That is what you use when you want

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to lose an election. It is not streetsmart? It certainly isn't. If

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you are unconscious enough to use something that arrogant, I would say

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it flips you to the downside of intelligent. Dare I say stupid? We

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should learn from Sarah Pailin. He should have said he is a hockey mum.

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That is the new Vogue, to say, I am the people. Clearly, he didn't learn

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from that woman. You are looking at me disapprovingly. I am depressed by

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what you say, although I think it might be true. Does British society

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value intellectual abilities? When I first got to this country, I'm not

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sure. People would say, I have been to Eton. It was like turkeys finding

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their own. It was a club you could not crash, and it was smug. To an

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American, may the best guy who ripped you off win. In this country,

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it was like a club and I wanted to crash it, but I never felt I could.

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And in these days, going to Eton is a sign that your mum and dad had a

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tonne of money. In those days, it was still something that was

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considered, for an American, a superior intellect. Now, I know they

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all liked to wear nappies, but back then I thought it measured a higher

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IQ. It is possible that the emerging markets, India, China, they seem to

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put more value on education and intellect for their kids. To call it

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intellect is offensive. Does that mean you had a good IQ, or you did

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well on a test? Intellect is not that. That is just memorising. If

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you are creative... If you don't have curiosity, you are a moron. Did

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you just memorise the book and regurgitate it? Let's make it wider,

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what a real intellectual is. I am a blank slate, but I will ask the

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right questions and give the appearance of being intelligent. Was

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it wise of him to claim to be more intellectually confident than the

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Prime Minister? His father was a genuine intellectual, however you

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define it. But I think he forgot that historically the British are

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suspicious of intellectuals. Clever politicians, even if they are

:38:42.:38:48.

intellectual... I don't want him reading history books on holiday. I

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want him to meet the people. Clever politicians have always hidden that

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they are intellectuals. Are you intellectually confident? I am

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curious. I lack some intellectual confidence and I admire those who

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have it. That is a very British thing to say. That humble thing, I

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am not buying it, because he looks intellectually confident. The United

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States had as a President William Jefferson Clinton, with an

:39:24.:39:26.

extraordinary IQ. I think it was great that such a gifted man was in

:39:27.:39:34.

the presidency. But he hid it. Actually, I think the range of

:39:35.:39:38.

issues on which he was absolutely confident was an advantage to the

:39:39.:39:42.

presidency. I am proud that in the Conservative government today I

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would say that people like Oliver N and David Willetts are some of the

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most intellectual people we have had in government. I think they add

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enormously to the government. Nobody is saying you are an idiot, but you

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just don't say, I am one of the great... You have invalidated who

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you are. I am not saying Ed Miliband should have said that but the knee

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jerk reaction that we despise intellectuals is wrong. If we are

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lucky enough to get some people who are very, very bright to go into

:40:15.:40:18.

politics, I think we should be really pleased at that. But our

:40:19.:40:23.

leaders do try to hide their intellect. It is very British. These

:40:24.:40:30.

are all clever men. When you get very successful British people, they

:40:31.:40:35.

always say, I was just walking down the street and I became chairman of

:40:36.:40:38.

this multinational company. Of course, it wasn't like that but they

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love to be self-deprecating. But now, when they choose leaders, the

:40:44.:40:47.

guys who come at the top of the class are not necessarily hired. I

:40:48.:40:53.

associate high intellect with asp urges, because they have pinpoint

:40:54.:40:58.

vision. Let's talk about Richard Branson, someone who's good with

:40:59.:41:03.

people. That is who is being hired. Let's be more personable. Boris, I

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am not his greatest supporter, but he does things nobody else can do.

:41:12.:41:14.

For instance, he presents programmes on television about Roman and

:41:15.:41:19.

classical history which are clearly intellectual, and it does him no

:41:20.:41:25.

damage whatsoever. I just want to note that and admire it. But he

:41:26.:41:31.

carries it off by pretending to be a buffoon. Nobody is questioning that

:41:32.:41:34.

you have to be smart to get this job. It's no big deal. I don't know

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what I'm doing on this show, really. I will tell you,

:41:40.:41:44.

intellectual confidence is that I wrote a book called saving the

:41:45.:41:52.

world, and I'm here to plug it. -- seine New World. Do intellects make

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good leaders? I just said it, that I don't think, they are smart, but if

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they say it, it is offensive to the common man. Of course you have to be

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smart. Nobody is questioning that. I guess what we are talking about is

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whether you should say it. No, you should not. President Kennedy hosted

:42:19.:42:23.

a dinner for 14 Nobel Prize winners and began his speech by saying,

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there has never been a great collection of brain power under this

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roof since Thomas Jefferson dined alone. A very good joke, one of the

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best. Good luck with the book. You did not mention that I graduated

:42:41.:42:46.

from Oxford. In September. So I can understand those words. You are

:42:47.:42:53.

intellectually confident. I am now. You are not meant to say it. In

:42:54.:42:58.

August I was a moron but now I wear a square hat. I am confident.

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That's your lot for tonight folks, but not for us. We're giving Lou

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Lou's a miss tonight and heading over to Kebabylon on the Holloway

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Road for an extra-large lamb shawarma. We've no idea whether the

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meat's halal or kosher - we're just praying it's actually meat. But with

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Nick Clegg launching his party's local election campaign this week,

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at the Ministry of Sound nightclub in London - I kid you not, This Week

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viewers - we leave you tonight with the Lib Dem leader's rousing speech

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to the party-hard faithful, and his call to arms in the air.

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Nighty-night. Don't let Ravey Clegg bite.

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stand up to UKIP. The only party relied upon to reign in the

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Conservatives. The only party to undo the damage done by Labour to

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our economy. The only party that will deliver a stronger economy and

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a fairer society. Thank you very much.

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