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Tonight, This Week goes back to school. | :00:00. | :00:09. | |
The children at Westminster have been misbehaving - Theresa May | :00:10. | :00:11. | |
and Michael Gove not snogging but fighting behind the bike sheds. | :00:12. | :00:16. | |
But with schools accused of not doing enough to tackle extremism, | :00:17. | :00:18. | |
how best do we educate children in a multicultural society? | :00:19. | :00:24. | |
Journalist and author Safraz Mansoor is wearing his old school tie. | :00:25. | :00:31. | |
I think education is about reading, writing and arithmetic. Let's keep | :00:32. | :00:38. | |
religion out of it. is wearing his old school tie. | :00:39. | :00:42. | |
religion out of it. Head boy David Cameron and Home | :00:43. | :00:43. | |
Secretary Theresa May are Head boy David Cameron and Home | :00:44. | :00:46. | |
pressure over the passport backlog. But can they stop | :00:47. | :00:48. | |
the problem becoming a crisis? The Sun's Jane Moore is | :00:49. | :00:49. | |
on a school day out. If Theresa May wants to be head girl | :00:50. | :00:57. | |
of the Tory party, she has to hope the passport problem does not result | :00:58. | :01:00. | |
in her being suspended from classes. on a school day out. | :01:01. | :01:03. | |
the passport problem does not result in her being suspended from classes. | :01:04. | :01:06. | |
Wimbledon champion Andy Murray has caused a stir by choosing, shock, | :01:07. | :01:08. | |
horror, a "girl" to be his new coach, | :01:09. | :01:11. | |
but will she be judged fairly? Former British Tennis player | :01:12. | :01:12. | |
Annabel Croft serves us an ace. The idea that a woman can't teach a | :01:13. | :01:23. | |
man anything is absolutely ridiculous. Let's start with Michael | :01:24. | :01:25. | |
and Alan's shirts. Annabel Croft serves us an ace. | :01:26. | :01:28. | |
Make sure you behave yourselves, or me | :01:29. | :01:33. | |
and Tucker will give you a wedgie. Evenin' all. | :01:34. | :01:36. | |
Welcome to This Week - BBC One's late-night Trojan Horse of extreme | :01:37. | :01:38. | |
and misguided views, where " a culture of fear and intimidation | :01:39. | :01:41. | |
" has long taken grip, amid accusations that hardline Blue Nun | :01:42. | :01:45. | |
drinkers have infiltrated the studio in a clearly forlorn | :01:46. | :01:47. | |
attempt to influence young and otherwise sober minds. | :01:48. | :01:53. | |
It must only be a matter of time before we join | :01:54. | :01:55. | |
the Education Department, the Home Office and Birmingham schools in the | :01:56. | :01:58. | |
special measures sin bin, where Gove Junior and May Minor are already | :01:59. | :02:01. | |
languishing after being summoned to the headmaster's office and told | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
in no uncertain terms that the extreme interpretation of radical | :02:06. | :02:08. | |
conservative ideology that has taken root in Gove Minor's brain had to be | :02:09. | :02:12. | |
eradicated, while May Minor's ambition to be leader of the next | :02:13. | :02:17. | |
Tory Caliphate was an ideological delusion which she alone harboured. | :02:18. | :02:25. | |
And while these shenanigans dominated Westminster Academy, | :02:26. | :02:28. | |
nobody noticed that the Brum kids' annual ski-trip to Chamonix had been | :02:29. | :02:33. | |
replaced by a pilgrimage to Mecca. What a surprise! | :02:34. | :02:35. | |
Speaking of those who've taken their eye off | :02:36. | :02:39. | |
the ball and spend most of their time blaming each other, I'm joined | :02:40. | :02:42. | |
on the sofa tonight by two men whose views would have been behind | :02:43. | :02:45. | |
the times even in the Dark Ages. Think of them as the Black Knight | :02:46. | :02:48. | |
and the Black Death of late night political chat. | :02:49. | :02:50. | |
I speak, of course, of #manontheleft Alan "AJ" Johnson... | :02:51. | :02:54. | |
And #sadmanonatrain Michael "Choo Choo" Portillo. | :02:55. | :03:03. | |
I'm not going to do moments of the week this week, I'm going to do the | :03:04. | :03:09. | |
events in Iraq, which every hour get more serious. Michael, I suggest | :03:10. | :03:12. | |
Iraq is in the grip more serious. Michael, I suggest | :03:13. | :03:18. | |
war, with outsiders piling in. Reports denied of American drones in | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
the sky. Reports of the Iranians revolutionary guard getting involved | :03:24. | :03:25. | |
on the side of the Baghdad government. This is not going to end | :03:26. | :03:31. | |
well. Almost certainly not. It is the latest development of 15 years | :03:32. | :03:35. | |
of catastrophic foreign policy by the Americans and British. The | :03:36. | :03:39. | |
foreign policy has been to remove nasty dictators from office, with no | :03:40. | :03:44. | |
consideration as to what would follow next. So the removal of | :03:45. | :03:47. | |
Saddam Hussein in Iraq has led to disaster. The destabilisation of | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
Assad in Syria has led to a prolonged civil war in which the | :03:53. | :03:58. | |
extremists are active. Libya is also largely under extremist control. And | :03:59. | :04:04. | |
only in Egypt have things bounced back a bit because of a countercoup | :04:05. | :04:07. | |
against the coup that we sponsored against Mubarak. When historians | :04:08. | :04:13. | |
look at this, they will be absolutely puzzled as to how it was | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
that the West managed to follow a foreign policy over 15 years which | :04:18. | :04:24. | |
led to installing deadly enemies in key positions. That is part of the | :04:25. | :04:30. | |
reason why we are where we are, but what happens next? This is not just | :04:31. | :04:34. | |
an Iraqi problem, this is a regional problem. Throughout the Levant, from | :04:35. | :04:40. | |
the Lebanon in the west, to the Gulf in the East, the whole region is in | :04:41. | :04:47. | |
the reach -- in the grip of a Sunni Shia war. Yes, and there will be | :04:48. | :04:54. | |
lots of arguments about how we got here. The point is that we are here | :04:55. | :05:01. | |
now and what do we do? I think it is very difficult now, after | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
Afghanistan and Iraq, and the failed a vote on Syria, for any democratic | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
government to suggest that they need to do anything meaningful. But this | :05:11. | :05:15. | |
is a much more profound situation. That is why the question is not what | :05:16. | :05:19. | |
should we do now. Everybody knows that we do nothing. And the body | :05:20. | :05:24. | |
language to Mike from President Obama gave off that message. He | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
spent 20 minutes explaining that he was going to do nothing. When you | :05:30. | :05:32. | |
face a crisis of this severity and you say, we will pursue all options | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
and rule out nothing, except putting boots on the ground, it is not | :05:37. | :05:41. | |
surprising to me that William Hague chose to spend a week with Angelina | :05:42. | :05:49. | |
Jolie. Iraq was created by the French and the British. They drew | :05:50. | :05:59. | |
lines in the sand. Are we not witnessing, for good or ill, the | :06:00. | :06:04. | |
partition of Iraq? Iraq eat Kurdistan is going its own way. The | :06:05. | :06:11. | |
East of Iraq is now in the hands of ISIS, this militant Sunni | :06:12. | :06:15. | |
organisation. And Baghdad and the West of Iraq, the Iranians will | :06:16. | :06:25. | |
never let us Sunnis take that. One huge mistake, forgetting about the | :06:26. | :06:30. | |
invasion of Iraq, but actually dismantling the Armed Forces of Iraq | :06:31. | :06:34. | |
and sending them away. The man who is leading ISIS was one of those | :06:35. | :06:39. | |
soldiers who was sent away, with their arms. We are seeing that | :06:40. | :06:42. | |
disastrous decision come back to bite us. They did not just get tanks | :06:43. | :06:47. | |
when they took Mosul, not just Black Hawk helicopters, but $450 million | :06:48. | :06:54. | |
out of the central bank, plus bullion. They are now the best | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
financed terrorist group in the world. And the security forces | :06:59. | :07:04. | |
dissolved quickly. And there are some terrible things happening. We | :07:05. | :07:09. | |
will be covering this in the Sunday Politics on BBC One on Sunday | :07:10. | :07:10. | |
morning. "Choo Choo" Portillo. | :07:11. | :07:12. | |
Politics on BBC One on Sunday morning. | :07:13. | :07:15. | |
Last week, we revealed to an unimpressed world that next month, | :07:16. | :07:18. | |
on July 10th, we're taking This Week on the the high road for a special | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
edition of the show in Scotland. We also mentioned it will be filmed | :07:23. | :07:25. | |
before a live audience of This Week afficionados, at | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
a high-security Edinburgh location. So, if either of our viewers | :07:30. | :07:41. | |
in Scotland would like to attend this non-event, head to our website | :07:42. | :07:46. | |
and fill out an application form. Next week we'll put both names | :07:47. | :07:49. | |
in an un-Islamic tombola and pull out the unlucky winner. | :07:50. | :07:56. | |
According to the head of school regulator Ofsted, | :07:57. | :08:01. | |
"a culture of fear and intimidation has taken grip" in some Birmingham | :08:02. | :08:03. | |
schools, following accusations of a hard-line Islamist influence | :08:04. | :08:08. | |
being introduced by stealth. The make-up of many of the schools | :08:09. | :08:11. | |
was almost entirely Muslim. But they were not faith schools, | :08:12. | :08:15. | |
not officially at any rate. So what lessons can we learn | :08:16. | :08:18. | |
when schools predominately serve one community? | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
And is it best for children to be educated only with pupils | :08:23. | :08:25. | |
from similar backgrounds? We turned to author | :08:26. | :08:27. | |
and broadcaster Sarfraz Manzoor. This is his take of the week. | :08:28. | :08:48. | |
It was 40 years ago this summer that I arrived in Britain from Pakistan. | :08:49. | :08:56. | |
My family settled in Luton in an overwhelmingly Pakistani Muslim part | :08:57. | :09:00. | |
of town. Pretty much everyone looked like me. My father was a | :09:01. | :09:02. | |
working-class first-generation Pakistani, and he believed his | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
children would go further if they knew how to interact with people who | :09:07. | :09:09. | |
lived outside the Muslim bubble, so we moved to a very white part of | :09:10. | :09:13. | |
town. It was the best thing that ever happened to us. Today, there | :09:14. | :09:22. | |
are still pockets of monocultural as, not just in Luton, but also, as | :09:23. | :09:27. | |
we have seen, in Birmingham. I don't think there is an organised Trojan | :09:28. | :09:30. | |
Horse plot to schools with radicalism, but I worry about | :09:31. | :09:35. | |
schools that are effectively faith schools simply because so many | :09:36. | :09:39. | |
parents and pupils come from just one religion. Michael Gove's | :09:40. | :09:49. | |
education reforms are all about parents will choice and school | :09:50. | :09:52. | |
freedom, but what if some parents use that choice to push for a narrow | :09:53. | :09:59. | |
interpretation of Islam that many, including many Muslims, disagree | :10:00. | :10:03. | |
with? What if some parents actually want their children to be taught | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
that white women are prostitutes and music is anti-Muslim? It is freedom, | :10:08. | :10:18. | |
but at what price? Hello. Did you have a nice day? Shall we go to the | :10:19. | :10:26. | |
playground? OK. Let me take your hat off. 40 years on from when I came to | :10:27. | :10:35. | |
Britain, I am now the father of a little girl and my wife and I are | :10:36. | :10:39. | |
thinking about how we will educate her in future. My dad raised me to | :10:40. | :10:43. | |
believe that religion belonged in the private realm and did not need | :10:44. | :10:45. | |
to be installed by places of learning. That is why I want my | :10:46. | :10:50. | |
daughter to go to a school where she is surrounded by people who look | :10:51. | :10:53. | |
like the whole of Britain. Anything else is a betrayal of my own family | :10:54. | :10:57. | |
history, and more importantly it is letting my daughter down. | :10:58. | :11:01. | |
And from a playground in Stoke Newington to our own little | :11:02. | :11:05. | |
playground here in the heart of Westminster, Sarfraz joins us now. | :11:06. | :11:13. | |
Do you think most Muslim parents want what you have described, or the | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
kind of schools they have in Birmingham? It is hard to speak for | :11:18. | :11:23. | |
all Muslims, but the interesting question is that this Trojan Horse | :11:24. | :11:26. | |
episode seems to have divided and polarised opinion. The right seem to | :11:27. | :11:31. | |
think it is about violent extremism and the left think it is about | :11:32. | :11:35. | |
Islamophobia. I was trying to show that there will be people from a | :11:36. | :11:37. | |
culturally Conservative background who will want those values. What do | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
you do if the freedom we believe parents should have leads them to | :11:42. | :11:44. | |
want things that do not help a cohesive society? It does not matter | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
if there are not many of them, if there are, should the school be a | :11:50. | :11:52. | |
safe place where you are protected from those extreme opinions, or | :11:53. | :11:55. | |
should be a place where those opinions are indulged? It is not | :11:56. | :12:00. | |
just an issue of potentially violent extremism, but there is a | :12:01. | :12:06. | |
possibility that certain Conservative values could be in | :12:07. | :12:09. | |
conflict with what we think of as British values, for example that you | :12:10. | :12:14. | |
should not teach music, that girls and boys should be rigidly | :12:15. | :12:19. | |
segregated. Whether in a faith school or a state school, that goes | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
against the grain of what we are meant to stand for. The point is | :12:24. | :12:29. | |
that if you are a kid, they say 98% of pupils and parents are Muslim. I | :12:30. | :12:34. | |
would say 98% of parents are, not necessarily the kids. I think | :12:35. | :12:37. | |
schools should be a place where you are doing things and learning things | :12:38. | :12:40. | |
that may be the parents do not necessarily want. I come back to the | :12:41. | :12:46. | |
question. You cannot speak for all Muslims, but where is the balance of | :12:47. | :12:51. | |
opinion among Muslim parents? Do they want the kind of school you | :12:52. | :12:55. | |
would want, or this school in Birmingham? They all want a good | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
education but it is about class. If you grow up in an environment where | :13:00. | :13:03. | |
you are not getting many influences from outside, there is more chance | :13:04. | :13:06. | |
you will be worried about what is going on about outside. If you go to | :13:07. | :13:11. | |
places like Bradford, Luton, Birmingham, where you have a large | :13:12. | :13:14. | |
concentration of a certain community, there is more chance that | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
that community will want to replicate itself. This was happening | :13:19. | :13:26. | |
when Labour was in power. Were you aware of this as Education | :13:27. | :13:31. | |
Secretary? Yes, indeed, I did the fastest U-turn in history. As | :13:32. | :13:34. | |
Education Secretary, I tried to put in the education bill that had gone | :13:35. | :13:38. | |
through the Commons and was in the Lords a clause that said all new | :13:39. | :13:41. | |
faith schools had to take at least 20% of children from other | :13:42. | :13:46. | |
religions, or no religion at all. It is worth saying none of the schools | :13:47. | :13:49. | |
involved in Birmingham were faith schools. But they acted like they | :13:50. | :13:56. | |
wanted to be. The reaction was that my feet were held to the fire. That | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
was the reaction from our side, predominantly from the Catholic | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
church at the time. We withdrew the amendment, but we got a voluntary | :14:06. | :14:08. | |
agreement that it would happen anyway. Actually, what has happened, | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
and I am not claiming credit, but in new faith schools it is not just 20% | :14:13. | :14:19. | |
but something like 50% are not of that nomination or are of that | :14:20. | :14:20. | |
nomination or are they different nomination. The problem I see is | :14:21. | :14:28. | |
that if people want to go to their local school, and if local area | :14:29. | :14:31. | |
around the school is predominantly Muslim you cannot tell them, you | :14:32. | :14:34. | |
cannot go to your local school. What you have to do, and this is Michael | :14:35. | :14:39. | |
Gove's problem, with his myriad of different systems, is that he is | :14:40. | :14:43. | |
trying to promote individualism and uniformity at the same time. What | :14:44. | :14:48. | |
parents need, I think, particularly in state schools, I think it is | :14:49. | :14:55. | |
reasonable that there is the protection for parents that their | :14:56. | :14:57. | |
children will not be in cultivated with a religion, even if they go to | :14:58. | :15:04. | |
a faith school. We are all on the same page. The | :15:05. | :15:08. | |
good question is, We are all on the same page. The | :15:09. | :15:10. | |
good question where does parental choice end and where does core | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
British values, quaranteed in schools, begin? It's a good | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
question. I don't think it's a difficult question to answer, at | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
least in principle. British values have to dominate. We have to provide | :15:23. | :15:25. | |
the protection in schools that you are saying. It may be that situation | :15:26. | :15:30. | |
doesn't obtain at the moment. It's possible to legislate that. Still to | :15:31. | :15:35. | |
leave, you know, pretty important areas of parental freedom. I do | :15:36. | :15:39. | |
think, we have been talking about British values in the last week, | :15:40. | :15:43. | |
Michael Gove has, I think generally the time has come for us, the | :15:44. | :15:48. | |
Government, the British people, to be rather more assertive. One of the | :15:49. | :15:51. | |
areas we need to be more assertive is about what happens in schools. I | :15:52. | :15:56. | |
think another area in which we need to be more assertive is that Sharia | :15:57. | :16:01. | |
law, at least for some people, is becoming a second legal system | :16:02. | :16:04. | |
alongside the British legal system. It's quite difficult for a nation | :16:05. | :16:08. | |
state to continue to survive if you have two competing legal systems. I | :16:09. | :16:14. | |
agree in concept. It depends on who is doing the assertion. One of the | :16:15. | :16:21. | |
worries is that the Trojan Horse letter, which has probably turned | :16:22. | :16:25. | |
out to be a hoax, Michael Gove, they are using that in a way to spread | :16:26. | :16:33. | |
and expand particular ideas - The Ofsted investigation is devastating? | :16:34. | :16:38. | |
If you have Michael Gove or David Cameron saying they want people to | :16:39. | :16:41. | |
become more British. The people who send the message is as important as | :16:42. | :16:48. | |
the message itself. Self. They happen to be the people in office | :16:49. | :16:51. | |
they have responsibilities. They have authority. If you want the | :16:52. | :16:55. | |
things that you express in your film. If you want those things, you | :16:56. | :17:00. | |
have to have government - If they are saying they have people who are | :17:01. | :17:04. | |
saying, hands up who believes in Christmas. Everyone says no. People | :17:05. | :17:08. | |
saying music is anti-Muslim. What can you do by law to change that if | :17:09. | :17:12. | |
the parents want that to be in the school? You make sure that the | :17:13. | :17:17. | |
governors of the school and the head teachers understand - I wouldn't | :17:18. | :17:21. | |
necessarily call them "British values" values that go wider - A | :17:22. | :17:26. | |
danger of British values will be Big Society 2, which nobody can agree | :17:27. | :17:32. | |
about. One of those values is tolerance. We had a curriculum a | :17:33. | :17:37. | |
stipulation about what had to be done in schools which implied also | :17:38. | :17:46. | |
what was not to be done in school. You can impose a curriculum on all | :17:47. | :17:50. | |
schools whatever their status. I think you can. You can have useful | :17:51. | :17:54. | |
additional freedoms of choice for parents without getting into this | :17:55. | :17:58. | |
mess. You mentioned social class in this. Could it not be that for | :17:59. | :18:02. | |
particularly in the poorer areas of our cities, like some of these | :18:03. | :18:06. | |
schools in Birmingham, if you are a Muslim parent, you are not zealous | :18:07. | :18:12. | |
religiously you are prepared to put up with a staunch Muslim school | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
because at least there will be discipline and the kids, in certain | :18:17. | :18:20. | |
subjects anyway, will be well educated and they will be better off | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
than the stab academy three miles down the road? That is true. No | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
parent wants their childed to go to a school that hasn't got good exam | :18:30. | :18:34. | |
results. These schools did. There is concern and. Apprehension about the | :18:35. | :18:38. | |
Muslim community in the mainstream media and some politicians. A lot of | :18:39. | :18:42. | |
people in the community have fear and apprehension about wider | :18:43. | :18:46. | |
society. These schools are a representation of the school and | :18:47. | :18:49. | |
There has family. Been a group of people, we know the incompetence in | :18:50. | :18:52. | |
a, who have been involved. It may not be a concerted plot, but there | :18:53. | :18:56. | |
are a number of people who clearly want to reconfigure these schools in | :18:57. | :19:00. | |
an Islamist direction? I don't know enough about whether - One of them | :19:01. | :19:05. | |
wrote in the report, it was a Taliban-style report for the Muslim | :19:06. | :19:09. | |
Council on Britain on what should happen in schools. I think the more | :19:10. | :19:14. | |
worrying thing is that parents would want their kids to go to a school | :19:15. | :19:18. | |
where music is considered bad and where white women are told they are | :19:19. | :19:22. | |
prostitutes, that is more worrying for a society in trying to get kids | :19:23. | :19:26. | |
to be quipped for the modern world. That is what is letting children | :19:27. | :19:33. | |
down. That is extremist? Not violent That is extremism. Not the main | :19:34. | :19:39. | |
concern. Why did Mr Blair give faith schools a new lease of life? I was | :19:40. | :19:43. | |
Education Secretary under Mr Blair. If you are talking about Muslim | :19:44. | :19:48. | |
schools - I don't, I mean all. There was an issue there where there was | :19:49. | :19:52. | |
seven private Muslim schools that we brought under the state umbrella. We | :19:53. | :19:56. | |
thought that was absolutely the right thing to do. There is a | :19:57. | :19:59. | |
greater control in the state sector than the private-sector. The King | :20:00. | :20:08. | |
Fad school, Arabic textbooks, described using Christian Assad | :20:09. | :20:15. | |
monkeys and a question, was Christianity worthless. It's not an | :20:16. | :20:18. | |
anti-faith school argument I think here. Not least at all for the point | :20:19. | :20:22. | |
I have made. None of these schools were faith schools. Ludicrous having | :20:23. | :20:30. | |
an argument about faith schools. Many faith schools give very good | :20:31. | :20:34. | |
education. To move this away from the Islamic point of view for a | :20:35. | :20:39. | |
moment. I don't think we shall ever sort out the Northern Ireland issue | :20:40. | :20:41. | |
for as long as we have faith schools in Northern Ireland. We will have to | :20:42. | :20:45. | |
leave it there. We are going on to a whole new subject. Thank you for | :20:46. | :20:47. | |
being with us. It's late, but you probably can't | :20:48. | :20:59. | |
sleep, not lying on those anti-homeless spikes, which | :21:00. | :21:02. | |
means - thanks to the uncharitable action of some luxury flat owners - | :21:03. | :21:05. | |
at least one member of our audience is wide-awake for once. | :21:06. | :21:07. | |
Which can only be a good thing because, waiting | :21:08. | :21:09. | |
in the wings, tennis commentator and former pro, Annabel Croft, is here | :21:10. | :21:12. | |
to talk about 'gender blindness'. And | :21:13. | :21:14. | |
for the those who may not be blind, or deaf, but are certainly dumb, you | :21:15. | :21:18. | |
can always follow us on The Twitter, The Fleecebook, and the Interweb. | :21:19. | :21:24. | |
Now, an Brit, a German, a Swede and a Dutchman go out | :21:25. | :21:27. | |
in a boat. Sounds like the start | :21:28. | :21:29. | |
of a dodgy This Week joke. But in fact it actually happened! | :21:30. | :21:32. | |
David Cameron joined a few of his euro mates for a spot of rowing to | :21:33. | :21:35. | |
clear their minds for the task at hand, trying to work out what to do | :21:36. | :21:39. | |
after the dreadful euro elections. Sun Columnist Jane Moore | :21:40. | :21:41. | |
decided to join them. Here's her round up | :21:42. | :21:42. | |
of the political week. Cameron, get out and get your own | :21:43. | :21:52. | |
boat. Angela Merkel might Cameron, get out and get your own | :21:53. | :21:57. | |
to share with him, I'm not. Cameron, get out and get your own | :21:58. | :22:01. | |
rude! Not terribly British behaviour, is it? Boris Johnson | :22:02. | :22:11. | |
expecting a long hot summer of discontent? Well, maybe. He has | :22:12. | :22:14. | |
decided to buy three water cannons for the Met police, a move that | :22:15. | :22:20. | |
could make political waves as Home Secretary, Theresa May, hasn't said | :22:21. | :22:23. | |
they can be used yet. Perhaps this is a little power game by Boris | :22:24. | :22:27. | |
Johnson in the run-up to the election. Naughty, boy! I'm | :22:28. | :22:36. | |
volunteering to undergo the experience that Londoners would | :22:37. | :22:41. | |
experience in the very, very remote eventuality of our having to deploy | :22:42. | :22:44. | |
water cannon. I have said that on the radio this morning. There seems | :22:45. | :22:52. | |
no easy escape from it. I am going to have to do that. Oh, to be in | :22:53. | :22:56. | |
England now that summer is here. to have to do that. Oh, to be in | :22:57. | :23:01. | |
Mind you, it hasn't stopped most of us trying to book a foreign holiday. | :23:02. | :23:08. | |
What do we need, suitcase, suncream, tickets, passport... Oh, hang on a | :23:09. | :23:14. | |
minute! Since January, HMPO has been putting in place extra resources to | :23:15. | :23:18. | |
try to make sure that people receive their new passports in good time. | :23:19. | :23:22. | |
But as the House will know, there are still delays in the system. As | :23:23. | :23:27. | |
the Prime Minister said yesterday - as the Prime Minister said | :23:28. | :23:30. | |
yesterday, the number of straight-forward passport applicants | :23:31. | :23:33. | |
who are being dealt with outside the normal three week waiting time is | :23:34. | :23:38. | |
around 30,000. This is now a sorry shambles from a sorry department and | :23:39. | :23:42. | |
a Home Secretary who can't even bring herself to say the word. | :23:43. | :23:46. | |
Government incompetence means people are at risk of missing their | :23:47. | :23:52. | |
holidays, their honey moons, their businesses, every MP, their business | :23:53. | :23:58. | |
trips, every MP has been inundated with these case. The Home Secretary | :23:59. | :24:01. | |
doesn't seem to know what is going on. Yes the Passport Office is said | :24:02. | :24:08. | |
to be struggling under the weight of extra applications. Basic house | :24:09. | :24:11. | |
keeping task which doesn't bode well for a Prime | :24:12. | :24:16. | |
keeping task which doesn't bode well reelection. No doubt Dave will be | :24:17. | :24:24. | |
straight on to Samcam to check the families passports are up-to-date. | :24:25. | :24:28. | |
If you want something doing - ask a woman, that's what I say! That looks | :24:29. | :24:36. | |
set to be the case more and more with Hillary Clinton doing her best | :24:37. | :24:39. | |
to become the first female President of the US. Britain backing a woman | :24:40. | :24:43. | |
as President of the European Commission and David Cameron's | :24:44. | :24:47. | |
expected reshuffle likely to promote several women. This week the actress | :24:48. | :24:53. | |
Angelina Jolie addressed 300 Government ministers at a global | :24:54. | :24:55. | |
summit to try to end sexual violence. I can speak to these | :24:56. | :25:01. | |
women. A lot of these women, it's not surprising to them, I would be | :25:02. | :25:06. | |
sitting hearing their stories and becoming emotional with them. When | :25:07. | :25:09. | |
they see the Foreign Secretary of the United Kingdom, sit with them, a | :25:10. | :25:13. | |
man, it means so much to them. It means even more because it is | :25:14. | :25:14. | |
something they are not used to. Oh, suit yourself. Angela Merkel | :25:15. | :25:31. | |
wasn't putting up with any bad behaviour on her boat. European | :25:32. | :25:34. | |
leaders met to solve their problems after last week's euro elections | :25:35. | :25:39. | |
left them hold under the water line. The big sticking point for change | :25:40. | :25:43. | |
was, who should be President of the European Commission? David Cameron | :25:44. | :25:46. | |
said that the appointment of Jean-Claude Juncker might mean that | :25:47. | :25:50. | |
Britain would leave the European Union. Captain Merkel was putting up | :25:51. | :25:55. | |
with with no such threats. She said they were against the European | :25:56. | :26:00. | |
spirit - whatever that means! TRANSLATION: Regarding the fact I'm | :26:01. | :26:05. | |
supporting Jean-Claude Juncker all our decisions are made within a | :26:06. | :26:09. | |
European spirit. We cannot just take this for granted and threats are not | :26:10. | :26:15. | |
part of our way of doing things. Gordon Brown, remember him, the | :26:16. | :26:20. | |
former captain of the good old ship Britannia, he went off message, | :26:21. | :26:24. | |
rethe campaign for Scotland not to break away from the UK. Attacking | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
David Cameron for saying that a vote for independence might result in | :26:30. | :26:33. | |
huge job losses. Brown reckons the MP has made the debate about | :26:34. | :26:38. | |
Scotland verses the rest of Britain. At least they know they have a bit | :26:39. | :26:42. | |
of magic to help them with the vote now. Harry Potter author JK Rowling | :26:43. | :26:56. | |
has doe noted ?1 million to the no campaign. Not everyone thinks it is | :26:57. | :27:02. | |
a good idea. She is entitled to express her views. If it comes to | :27:03. | :27:06. | |
people in the artistic community the feeling would be the substantial | :27:07. | :27:10. | |
majority are backing the Yes cause. A muted response compared to the | :27:11. | :27:17. | |
cyber knats who hurled online abuse at her. Proved when it comes to | :27:18. | :27:21. | |
measured and political debate they really are all at sea. Perhaps she | :27:22. | :27:30. | |
could just tell them to QUACK off. Is like this programme, always | :27:31. | :27:36. | |
paddling very hard. Miranda joins us again. Alan, you have been Home | :27:37. | :27:43. | |
Secretary. This passport crisis, They come along regularly. The | :27:44. | :27:47. | |
surprise is this is in the Passport Office. That was a quiet back water. | :27:48. | :27:52. | |
It was the most successful computerisation programme we ever | :27:53. | :27:56. | |
saw under Jack Straw. The guilt has come off the Theresa May Gingerbread | :27:57. | :28:01. | |
a bit this week. What surprises me, I know that we have a big fan | :28:02. | :28:05. | |
sitting opposite here. What surprises me is - And here, by the | :28:06. | :28:10. | |
way. OK. There is a mess in the Passport Office. There was a row, | :28:11. | :28:15. | |
the row with Gove, it seems Theresa May was the biggest culprit, Michael | :28:16. | :28:19. | |
had a lunch with the Times and said too much. We have all done that! The | :28:20. | :28:27. | |
response was amazing. There are two dangerous people out there, one of | :28:28. | :28:31. | |
them was lost two years ago, the other one was lost eight months ago. | :28:32. | :28:35. | |
Both on control waters that were watered down by the Home Secretary. | :28:36. | :28:39. | |
Previous Home Secretaries would have gone on the strength of that. It's | :28:40. | :28:43. | |
quite strange that the big problem with Theresa May seems to be about, | :28:44. | :28:47. | |
you know, less serious things than terrorism. What is the case for May | :28:48. | :28:54. | |
in this? Is I think they is interesting. That is not a case. I | :28:55. | :28:59. | |
thought her speech to the Police Federation was compelent. She did | :29:00. | :29:03. | |
something which Cabinet ministers do rarely at the moment, speak to the | :29:04. | :29:11. | |
public - That will not help you if you want to get abroad on your one | :29:12. | :29:15. | |
summer holiday and you can't get a passport. I agree. I don't think | :29:16. | :29:20. | |
this is a first rank offence for a Cabinet Minister for there to be | :29:21. | :29:24. | |
problems at the Passport Office. It might get worse, I think this idea | :29:25. | :29:29. | |
it is - it is open season on Theresa May because of her spat with Gove. | :29:30. | :29:36. | |
She has had adoring press and media for years. It will take more than | :29:37. | :29:43. | |
this for me to fall by the wayside. The Home Office is a machine whose | :29:44. | :29:48. | |
default position is to crash. The Home Office's default position is | :29:49. | :29:54. | |
shambles unless you control it. She must have taken her eye off the | :29:55. | :29:59. | |
ball. The Passport Office was an office that was shambolic a few | :30:00. | :30:02. | |
years ago. Sorted out. A magnificent success. I suspect there has been a | :30:03. | :30:06. | |
problem with the management. The Chief Executive has been there a | :30:07. | :30:10. | |
year. There has been a change of management am she must be blamed for | :30:11. | :30:13. | |
taking her eye off the ball. She will get hold of it. Is she a good | :30:14. | :30:19. | |
Home Secretary? On the whole, yes. That is why she Is she survived. A | :30:20. | :30:26. | |
good Home Secretary. No. Yes. 2-1. I haven't got a vote. Previous Home | :30:27. | :30:32. | |
Secretaries carry more votes. That is not proportional. Now we know the | :30:33. | :30:37. | |
Lib Dems don't talk about it any more. | :30:38. | :30:47. | |
blasted by water cannon to reassure Londoners it is safe. Have you | :30:48. | :30:55. | |
applied to be the man who fires it? He has! I am not sure Boris is wrong | :30:56. | :31:04. | |
about this. We might need water cannon at some time. Boris also said | :31:05. | :31:09. | |
something I agree with this week, which was that he could not see the | :31:10. | :31:18. | |
point of trying to stop the president of the European | :31:19. | :31:21. | |
Commission, because whoever takes over the whole thing is Federalist. | :31:22. | :31:24. | |
He said was trying to remove a gnat from the knee of a rhino standing on | :31:25. | :31:29. | |
chest. Can we keep to the chronology. We are coming on to that | :31:30. | :31:35. | |
in a minute. He tells the jokes ahead, and you get onto the next | :31:36. | :31:38. | |
subject! Should we have water cannon? No, I don't think so. The | :31:39. | :31:46. | |
police were telling me when I was Home Secretary, unanimously, | :31:47. | :31:49. | |
everyone I asked, because it was floating around even before I came | :31:50. | :31:53. | |
in, everyone said no, and for good reasons. Actually, it needs to be a | :31:54. | :31:59. | |
certain type of situation, with protesters, by the way, this is | :32:00. | :32:02. | |
about people protesting on our streets that they are thinking of | :32:03. | :32:10. | |
using water cannon against. Hold on. That is the whole point. Police | :32:11. | :32:12. | |
said, if it is rioters, as in 2011, That is the whole point. Police | :32:13. | :32:19. | |
it would not work, because they were mobile, not static. It is for static | :32:20. | :32:23. | |
demonstrations. There is something not petition about this. It would | :32:24. | :32:25. | |
take a lot to persuade me but not petition about this. It would | :32:26. | :32:33. | |
unanimity amongst the police. They were against it in 2011. Mr Clegg is | :32:34. | :32:38. | |
against it, I think, but not in position to stop it. I don't think | :32:39. | :32:45. | |
it is a good idea. Getting into an arms race with the public is not a | :32:46. | :32:48. | |
great idea because what you are talking about is how the police | :32:49. | :32:52. | |
control citizens when they are out of hand, not some sort of hostile | :32:53. | :32:58. | |
attack. I think Nick Clegg is quite right to say no, actually. It is | :32:59. | :33:03. | |
quite uncharacteristic of Boris Johnson to say yes to this. The Home | :33:04. | :33:06. | |
Secretary has to approve it. Johnson to say yes to this. The Home | :33:07. | :33:15. | |
and she must be livid. It is a coincidence, isn't it? Let's come on | :33:16. | :33:25. | |
to the European Commission. Will David Cameron get his way and | :33:26. | :33:28. | |
managed to stop, even if you think it does not matter, along with | :33:29. | :33:32. | |
Boris, will he get his way and be able to stop him or not? It doesn't | :33:33. | :33:39. | |
look like it. I would have thought the chances of not being able to | :33:40. | :33:43. | |
stop it are so high that it seems unwise to have gone out | :33:44. | :33:49. | |
stop it are so high that it seems want as president of the European | :33:50. | :33:49. | |
Commission? They want as president of the European | :33:50. | :34:02. | |
Nick Clegg has been very careful to back David Cameron all the way | :34:03. | :34:07. | |
Nick Clegg has been very careful to this. What is the difference between | :34:08. | :34:07. | |
this one and the Dutchman? He this. What is the difference between | :34:08. | :34:14. | |
think Michael this. What is the difference between | :34:15. | :34:17. | |
about this is how much capital David Cameron is expending on something he | :34:18. | :34:22. | |
might not win. It is all very well saying there is this new alliance of | :34:23. | :34:25. | |
northern countries with a different attitude to Europe, but if you can't | :34:26. | :34:29. | |
actually fight against the great Mike of Angela Merkel, where are you | :34:30. | :34:35. | |
going? It is only in the Westminster village that people talk of | :34:36. | :34:38. | |
political capital for and against him. No one else has heard | :34:39. | :34:42. | |
political capital for and against and nobody cares. Well, | :34:43. | :34:44. | |
political capital for and against to achieve something through | :34:45. | :34:45. | |
negotiation, or not? Someone ought to achieve something through | :34:46. | :34:49. | |
to sit down with David Cameron and give him a session on the art of | :34:50. | :34:53. | |
negotiation. The tragedy is that people who do not want Junker have | :34:54. | :34:58. | |
negotiation. The tragedy is that had their job made more difficult by | :34:59. | :35:00. | |
not just what David Cameron has done, but also because the British | :35:01. | :35:02. | |
media jumping in as well done, but also because the British | :35:03. | :35:06. | |
size 12 hobnailed boots, made it very difficult for the people who | :35:07. | :35:12. | |
actually want to quietly negotiate a different person, and | :35:13. | :35:14. | |
actually want to quietly negotiate a agreement about not wanting him, | :35:15. | :35:15. | |
actually want to quietly negotiate a they have made it more difficult. It | :35:16. | :35:22. | |
seems amazingly crass and clumsy. Michael, former Treasury Minister, | :35:23. | :35:26. | |
Governor Carney, Bank of England, gave a speech tonight in which he | :35:27. | :35:33. | |
said something rather strange for a speech at this event. He said | :35:34. | :35:37. | |
interest rate rises "could happen sooner rather but gross sooner than | :35:38. | :35:44. | |
the markets expect". Since the markets have been bringing forward | :35:45. | :35:48. | |
when they expect interest rates to rise, this means it could be even | :35:49. | :35:53. | |
sooner, meaning sometime this year. That is apparently what it would | :35:54. | :35:56. | |
mean. I would have thought the markets would have thought whatever | :35:57. | :36:00. | |
the economics were dictating, political reasons would tell you | :36:01. | :36:02. | |
that the rise in interest rates would be after May 2015, after the | :36:03. | :36:07. | |
general election. He is correcting that. I think he is not doing so | :36:08. | :36:12. | |
because he thinks interest rates will rise before the general | :36:13. | :36:15. | |
election, but because he hopes that making these comments will in | :36:16. | :36:20. | |
themselves douse the housing market. I knew we would get an explanation. | :36:21. | :36:22. | |
Miranda, thank you. Now, ITV is in trouble for paying | :36:23. | :36:28. | |
students with less money than sense to drink up to 48 units of alcohol | :36:29. | :36:31. | |
as part of a TV experiment. Now, we know all | :36:32. | :36:34. | |
about getting blind drunk for light entertainment, but that's not | :36:35. | :36:36. | |
the only blindness we suffer from. It's a wonder we can find | :36:37. | :36:39. | |
the studio given our inability to spot a conversational blind alley, | :36:40. | :36:42. | |
or the fact nobody takes a blind bit of notice of Alan and Michael. | :36:43. | :36:50. | |
And don't let Miranda fool you, her effing and blinding would make | :36:51. | :36:56. | |
a sailor blush! Fortunately, we're also blind | :36:57. | :36:58. | |
when it comes to guests, and that's why we're putting gender | :36:59. | :37:00. | |
blindness in this week's Spotlight. Andy Murray has a new coach, and no | :37:01. | :37:20. | |
need for new balls. He appointed former women's tennis ace, Amer Lee | :37:21. | :37:25. | |
Morris Mo, raising some eyebrows and even objections. But Murray does not | :37:26. | :37:34. | |
see the big deal. It does not feel very different thing for me to do. I | :37:35. | :37:39. | |
was not paying my mum, so this will be a bit different, because | :37:40. | :37:45. | |
obviously I be employing her. I think it is exciting. Before | :37:46. | :37:58. | |
Wimbledon, as players and coaches gather in Brazil, the lack of | :37:59. | :38:02. | |
visible women in the beautiful game is striking. Hillary Clinton has | :38:03. | :38:07. | |
never been afraid of challenging those who think it is a man's world. | :38:08. | :38:13. | |
As her new book promotes her leadership qualities, would anyone | :38:14. | :38:17. | |
still be surprised if America's next president was a woman? The | :38:18. | :38:24. | |
Conservatives can already boast having had a woman leader, and if | :38:25. | :38:28. | |
Theresa May gets her way they may yet have another. But her gender | :38:29. | :38:32. | |
seems far less relevant than her competence. So just how gender blind | :38:33. | :38:40. | |
are we now in sport, culture and politics? Are we coming to a time | :38:41. | :38:44. | |
where we no longer express surprise that a woman can do a better job | :38:45. | :38:52. | |
than a man? We are joined by Annabel Croft. Welcome to the programme. Why | :38:53. | :38:56. | |
was it such a big deal that Andy Murray chose a woman as his new | :38:57. | :39:03. | |
coach? Because we have not seen it before with a top player in the | :39:04. | :39:07. | |
world. It is extremely unusual, thinking outside the box, very left | :39:08. | :39:11. | |
field. He has always done things a bit differently. He has been very | :39:12. | :39:15. | |
clever with whom he has chosen to coach him. It has always been a | :39:16. | :39:21. | |
success. It was very surprising. Many people have tweeted in and said | :39:22. | :39:26. | |
it would not be this way if it was, why are we talking about it just | :39:27. | :39:30. | |
because she is a woman. But we were equally intrigued when he chose his | :39:31. | :39:35. | |
previous coach, and that was very interesting when he appointed him. | :39:36. | :39:39. | |
It is a fascinating appointment, and I am more interested in why he chose | :39:40. | :39:42. | |
her and what he wants to get out of her. He seems the only one who does | :39:43. | :39:47. | |
not think it is a big deal, thinks it is quite normal. His mother has | :39:48. | :39:53. | |
been such an influence in his tennis career and was a very good coach | :39:54. | :39:57. | |
right at the beginning. She has been instrumental in guiding his career. | :39:58. | :40:00. | |
He has enormous respect for his mother. This is a former world | :40:01. | :40:06. | |
number one, former Wimbledon champion, Australian open champion. | :40:07. | :40:10. | |
But something tells me he is after something other than tactics. He is | :40:11. | :40:14. | |
one of the best tacticians in the game. He has said himself, may more | :40:15. | :40:20. | |
sensitivity, the emotional side of things. It is intriguing. But maybe | :40:21. | :40:26. | |
we should not be surprised because tennis is one of the few sports | :40:27. | :40:29. | |
where the women's side of the game is just as popular as the men's | :40:30. | :40:35. | |
side, and just as important and gets just as much coverage. Female tennis | :40:36. | :40:38. | |
players are incredibly fortunate because it is thought of in equal | :40:39. | :40:44. | |
terms. They make equal prize money. There was an argument for a while. | :40:45. | :40:51. | |
Yes, but now it has equalled. At the end of the day, these things are on | :40:52. | :40:56. | |
a business footing. If it sustains itself through the TV coverage, TV | :40:57. | :41:01. | |
ratings, the sponsorship, that all has to be in place. When other | :41:02. | :41:06. | |
sports look at gender issues, that would be my argument, as long as it | :41:07. | :41:10. | |
backs up from a business point of view, that is fine. There are other | :41:11. | :41:16. | |
sports where we are not so gender blind. Like what? Football. England | :41:17. | :41:23. | |
has a successful women's team, more successful than the men, and you | :41:24. | :41:31. | |
never hear of it. Why is that? You do hear of it. It is growing. I am | :41:32. | :41:40. | |
more aware than I was before. I can only assume that until the ratings | :41:41. | :41:45. | |
for the coverage come up, the business side will then slotted into | :41:46. | :41:50. | |
place. I think the women's cricket team is also more successful than | :41:51. | :41:59. | |
the men. Are we gender blind yet? Partly. In your package, we did not | :42:00. | :42:05. | |
mention Angela Merkel. Angela Merkel has dominated European politics for | :42:06. | :42:08. | |
eight years and probably will throw another three or four, and this is | :42:09. | :42:14. | |
not commented upon. We were talking about junk at a moment ago and we | :42:15. | :42:18. | |
know that the key figure in that decision is Angela Merkel. We have | :42:19. | :42:22. | |
not had a British female Defence Secretary Lord Chancellor. We have | :42:23. | :42:28. | |
the first female minister in the Ministry of Defence, and that is a | :42:29. | :42:34. | |
breakthrough. I wish we did have gender blindness. We don't. If you | :42:35. | :42:38. | |
look at the top FTSE 100 companies that do not have a single woman on | :42:39. | :42:48. | |
their board, it is extraordinary. I understand that Andy Murray lost | :42:49. | :42:54. | |
today at Queens. Did you watch? I didn't. Can we blame the coach? Not | :42:55. | :43:01. | |
just yet. It is the second match she has watched. I am sure she will have | :43:02. | :43:05. | |
plenty to say about it but we will not blame her yet. Only if he loses | :43:06. | :43:11. | |
Wimbledon. I think he has a good chance to retain his title. | :43:12. | :43:17. | |
That's your lot for tonight folks. But not for us, | :43:18. | :43:20. | |
because it's British Values night at Lou Lou's and we're off to get | :43:21. | :43:24. | |
legless, start a fight and spill chilli sauce and kebab meat down | :43:25. | :43:27. | |
our shirts, like all true patriots. But we leave you tonight | :43:28. | :43:28. | |
with some studs. No, not Alan and Michael. | :43:29. | :43:32. | |
No, we leave you with a modern-day fairytale. | :43:33. | :43:35. | |
Forget the princess and the pea, think the homeless man | :43:36. | :43:37. | |
and the spike. Nighty-night, don't let | :43:38. | :43:40. | |
the fact you have a nice warm bed and a roof over your head bite. | :43:41. | :44:19. | |
I wish that love could come into my life. | :44:20. | :44:23. |