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Tonight on This Week, as we roll out the oriental rug for the Chinese | :00:00. | :00:10. | |
Premier, we're in the mood for a little bit of This Week fighting. | :00:11. | :00:18. | |
Iraq asks America for airstrikes against advancing | :00:19. | :00:21. | |
jihadis - former adviser to Tony Blair, John McTernan, tells us | :00:22. | :00:25. | |
why his old boss is definitely not "unhinged" about Iraq. | :00:26. | :00:30. | |
McTernan. Blair's right. Iraq needs all the help it can get in this | :00:31. | :00:37. | |
fight. The Chinese leader took tea with | :00:38. | :00:44. | |
the Queen and even kowtowed to But is the Labour leader more | :00:45. | :00:47. | |
"Kung Fu Panda" than successful Funky Guardian man Nic Watt is | :00:48. | :00:50. | |
a little bit frightening. Ed, some call him Red, found himself | :00:51. | :01:02. | |
under fire but he fought back with a series of tough policy | :01:03. | :01:03. | |
announcements. The Chinese Premier relied | :01:04. | :01:07. | |
on a translator to communicate, but must you be able to speak English to | :01:08. | :01:09. | |
be considered "truly British"? Forget shirt watch, | :01:10. | :01:12. | |
we have "jumper-watch" with Sarah Lund, otherwise known | :01:13. | :01:14. | |
as Danish actor Sofie Grabol. Everybody was This Week Fighting. | :01:15. | :01:29. | |
Those kicks were fast as lightning. Evenin' all, welcome to This Week, | :01:30. | :01:41. | |
coming to you live from a channel High-brow home of hit TV shows such | :01:42. | :01:45. | |
as Homes Under the Hammer, Flog It! Because, dear viewer, due to the | :01:46. | :01:50. | |
huge national interest in tonight's crucial football match between, er, | :01:51. | :01:57. | |
Japan and Greece - for days Britain has spoken of nothing else - and the | :01:58. | :02:03. | |
total lack of national interest in a militant jihadist attempt to destroy | :02:04. | :02:08. | |
the state of Iraq, redraw the boundaries of the | :02:09. | :02:11. | |
Middle East, create a medieval Islamist caliphate then come gunning | :02:12. | :02:15. | |
for us, we've been forced to leave our usual berth on BBC One | :02:16. | :02:19. | |
and find any old port in a storm. One that even Old Paxo | :02:20. | :02:25. | |
has now abandoned. Fortunately | :02:26. | :02:28. | |
for us we've been granted the highly prestigious 'post-Newsnight' slot | :02:29. | :02:31. | |
here on BBC Two, the berth of documentaries nobody wants to see, | :02:32. | :02:35. | |
repeats and Conference Round Up. So we're praying that either | :02:36. | :02:43. | |
of Newsnight's viewers - or maybe - bother to stay with us | :02:44. | :02:45. | |
for the duration. Speaking of hugely important | :02:46. | :02:51. | |
geopolitical events that always play second fiddle to 22 grown -men | :02:52. | :02:54. | |
kicking a ball around a field, I'm joined on the sofa tonight by | :02:55. | :02:59. | |
two people whose commentary always captures the excitement and energy | :03:00. | :03:03. | |
of important global events. Think of them as the Trevor Nelson | :03:04. | :03:07. | |
and Phil Neville I speak of course of #baffled | :03:08. | :03:10. | |
Diane Abbott. And #sadmanonatrain Michael | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
"just been knocked out of the World England hasn't yet but it is hanging | :03:16. | :03:38. | |
on by its finger tails My topic of the week is the Spanish monarchy. | :03:39. | :03:49. | |
They are having to invent these things as they go. They don't have | :03:50. | :03:52. | |
the long-term stability that we have. Secondly, to recall that | :03:53. | :03:57. | |
because Spain uses in its democracy the list system of proportional | :03:58. | :04:01. | |
representation, they don't have the same democracy that we do. I'm so | :04:02. | :04:06. | |
sorry that our democracy's been polluted by list systems which are | :04:07. | :04:11. | |
now in use in Scotland and the European elections, which are | :04:12. | :04:15. | |
nondemocratic and antidemocratic. And one of the reasons the King has | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
had to abdicate is he was caught elephant hunting and carrying on the | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
high life at a time when Spain had within ruined by going into the | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
euro. The economy there has been devastated, like so many European | :04:30. | :04:32. | |
economies. It is worth remembering that we in this country, although | :04:33. | :04:36. | |
we've had a rough time, we haven't been devastated by being in the | :04:37. | :04:40. | |
euro. He's on a roll tonight. I thought he would never stop! So did | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
I. I thought I was going to have to rugby tackle him to the ground. Die | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
afternoon, your short moment of the week. It is always short to hear him | :04:50. | :04:54. | |
talking about Spain. Actually it was listening to President Obama's | :04:55. | :04:57. | |
statement about reactionier this evening. I was relieved because he | :04:58. | :05:04. | |
resisted the pressure from crazy Republicans to put American boots | :05:05. | :05:10. | |
back on the ground in Iraq. President Obama is so brave to say | :05:11. | :05:15. | |
that he won't. We are going on to talk about that. Have you forgot on | :05:16. | :05:17. | |
the take your medication tonight? When I say 'Portillo', | :05:18. | :05:26. | |
you say 'train'. When I say 'Abbott', | :05:27. | :05:29. | |
you say 'baffled'. And when I say Blair, | :05:30. | :05:31. | |
everyone says 'Iraq'. Such is the toxicity | :05:32. | :05:33. | |
of the 2003 invasion that, more than 10 years on - in this country | :05:34. | :05:35. | |
at least - we still view events in the Middle East through the prism | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
of the former Prime Minister. So, as the Iraqi Government calls | :05:40. | :05:41. | |
for American airstrikes against advancing jihadist militants, | :05:42. | :05:44. | |
will the West - should the West - be drawn back into a conflict we | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
thought we'd left behind? We turned to Tony Blair's former | :05:48. | :05:49. | |
Director of Political Operations, You probably think you know exactly | :05:50. | :06:21. | |
how history will treat Tony Blair and his actions in Iraq. I'm Leary | :06:22. | :06:25. | |
to item you you are completely wrong. The truth is we were right to | :06:26. | :06:31. | |
go into Iraq and we left too early. We left for our own selfish | :06:32. | :06:38. | |
political reasons. And now in Iraq's greatest need, it would be wrong for | :06:39. | :06:45. | |
us to leave Iraq on its own. Supporting the Middle East's only | :06:46. | :06:50. | |
other functioning democracy after Israel remains great moral cause it | :06:51. | :06:55. | |
was when I worked for Tony Blair when I worked for the Prime Minister | :06:56. | :07:01. | |
of Baghdad. It is an appalling reflection on the House of Commons | :07:02. | :07:05. | |
that many MPs who voted for the Iraq war are shirking their | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
responsibility now. Unlike Tony Blair our current leaders have no | :07:10. | :07:24. | |
idea what to do. People say that everything that's wrong with Iraq is | :07:25. | :07:27. | |
the fault of Blair and bush. They say there was no Al-Qaeda in Iraq | :07:28. | :07:33. | |
before 2003. Let's be clear what that actually. Is it is the kind of | :07:34. | :07:38. | |
bloodless amoral pragmatic foreign policy speak worthy of a Henry | :07:39. | :07:44. | |
Kissinger. They are really saying Saddam Hussein may have been a | :07:45. | :07:49. | |
genocidal fascist dictator but at least he kept the Iranians and the | :07:50. | :08:02. | |
jihadists at bay. If we don't act now, we'll surely act later. We have | :08:03. | :08:06. | |
to go back to Iraq to defend democracy. After all, as Margaret | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
Thatcher said at the time of the Falklands crisis, why else do we | :08:12. | :08:22. | |
have Armed Forces? And from the Imperial War Museum in Southwark to | :08:23. | :08:28. | |
our own war museum in the heart of Westminster. John McTernan, welcome. | :08:29. | :08:34. | |
So what exactly should we do? We shall initially be giving strong | :08:35. | :08:37. | |
moral support for the Kurds and the Iraqis. We do not want to see | :08:38. | :08:46. | |
dislodged a democracy fully supported since 2003. All of which | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
people turned out in greater numbers and people risked their lives to go | :08:51. | :08:55. | |
to vote. That's not a policy, that's a series of opinions. But we have to | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
be clear, the UK, the US, the European Union, that we do not want | :09:01. | :09:04. | |
to see the democracy fall and we have to give the support. What shall | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
we do? We were in the situation where with America we are able to | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
offer logistical support, humanitarian support, support | :09:15. | :09:17. | |
through intelligence and we can offer, we could use drones if we | :09:18. | :09:22. | |
chose to take out the leadership of ISIS and have notify zones. What's | :09:23. | :09:30. | |
the point of a no-fly zones for a bunch of terrorists that don't have | :09:31. | :09:35. | |
planes We do fly over them and bomb them. ISIS don't have any planes. | :09:36. | :09:41. | |
There's a range of military options we could have. You think British | :09:42. | :09:47. | |
jets should be flying over Iraq? I think Britain should be prepared to | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
do anything they can to stop terrorists taking over a democratic | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
state in Iraq. What do you say to that? It's a touching display of | :09:56. | :10:03. | |
loyalty. To whom? For Tony Blair from his former aide. It is not we | :10:04. | :10:11. | |
going into Iraq, but other people's sons and daughters. Your argument is | :10:12. | :10:14. | |
that we should have gone into Iraq to change the regime. I was in | :10:15. | :10:18. | |
Parliament at the time and the one thing Parliament wasn't prepared to | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
do was to vote to go to war to change the regime. I know it's a | :10:23. | :10:29. | |
minor matter to a Blair acolyte but we still live in a democracy. What | :10:30. | :10:36. | |
are you laughing at? Never mind. John McTernan, what's the answer to | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
that? The change of regime was as a consequence of Saddam Hussein | :10:42. | :10:45. | |
failing to implement United Nations reduces. You don't understand what I | :10:46. | :10:51. | |
am saying. You can talk over me if you like! Tony Blair made a point of | :10:52. | :10:57. | |
insisting that we weren't going in for regime change. He knew that was | :10:58. | :11:01. | |
illegal and the House wasn't vote for it. It is not you and Tony Blair | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
who sends poem's sons to war. They couldn't get a majority in | :11:07. | :11:11. | |
Parliament,s that correct? I said we should go to Iraq to defend | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
democracy, not defend a regime change. There's a regime change | :11:16. | :11:22. | |
there. If Diane is happy to see terrorists overturn the regime | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
there... There are far more terrorist there is than there were | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
at the beginning. Isn't one of the ironies of the situation that we | :11:31. | :11:37. | |
into Iraq because it was supposed to be an existential threat to us. It | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
is now choc-a-block with terrorist and we are unable to go in because | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
of what happened before. And tests so violent even Al-Qaeda has | :11:46. | :11:51. | |
rejected them. The answer to that is that the terrorism occurred and | :11:52. | :11:55. | |
ISIS's growth is post 2011, after the UK and the US left. It was not | :11:56. | :12:00. | |
right to leave that country. It was too early. This is all academic | :12:01. | :12:05. | |
isn't it? It's quite clear from tonight that Mr Obama is going to do | :12:06. | :12:10. | |
everything it takes to avoid any major intervention. If the Americans | :12:11. | :12:15. | |
aren't going to go in this any major way, no-one's going in this any | :12:16. | :12:21. | |
major way, except Iran. I agree with you that's academic, but to be fair | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
to our guest, I think there is a perfectly good case for bombing the | :12:26. | :12:28. | |
hell out of these terrorists, because they are very dangerous | :12:29. | :12:32. | |
people as David Cameron said the other day, this isn't some distance | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
place about which we don't care, this is a place seething with | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
terrorists who are likely to attack Britain. The point they didn't | :12:41. | :12:44. | |
address is whether bombing the people back to the Middle Ages... | :12:45. | :12:51. | |
But they are in the Middle Ages anyway. All the evidence suggests | :12:52. | :12:56. | |
that so far we've made our less safe. Whatever we may think about | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
defending democracy isn't an offer. What is now on offer is that we | :13:02. | :13:06. | |
fight on behalf of a Shia regime in Baghdad which is a client state of | :13:07. | :13:11. | |
the regime in Iran against a whole lot of Sunnis who've been | :13:12. | :13:16. | |
dispossessed by the Shias. Let John McTernan answer. The Government | :13:17. | :13:22. | |
hasn't yet been formed following the most recent general election, and | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
Nouri Al-Maliki, his support weakened fourth in this general | :13:27. | :13:30. | |
election than the one before The key in Iraq has always been and is today | :13:31. | :13:36. | |
the Kurds. They demonstrate that you can have a nonsectarian part of | :13:37. | :13:41. | |
reaction defended safely by their own security. The Kurds are part of | :13:42. | :13:46. | |
Iraq. But they are going their own way. The Kurds are simply securing | :13:47. | :13:51. | |
the defence of the Kurdish autonomous region. That's what you | :13:52. | :13:55. | |
would expect them to do. If they were more like the peshmerga, you | :13:56. | :14:01. | |
wouldn't have them running away in Mosul. You seem to be glossing over | :14:02. | :14:17. | |
that. You don't have to have Sunni Shia conflict that's Civil War, or a | :14:18. | :14:20. | |
sectarian Government. You can have the European Union, the UK and the | :14:21. | :14:25. | |
US have responsibility here to be pressuring Malaki to be forming a | :14:26. | :14:30. | |
grander coalition. He's not going to. Supposedly the American position | :14:31. | :14:42. | |
is that help is available but only if Al-Malaki reforms. So is that | :14:43. | :14:46. | |
your position, because if it is, what you are really saying is, you | :14:47. | :14:51. | |
are not going to do anything. Obama is stalling for time. He | :14:52. | :14:59. | |
knowsal-Malaki won't do a deal, so is that your position? I think there | :15:00. | :15:05. | |
is a huge possibility potential for this conflict to change the balance | :15:06. | :15:10. | |
of power in the region. I don't think it's in ours or America's | :15:11. | :15:15. | |
interests... Is it yours and Blair's position that we should bomb now | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
before Malaki's done a deal or is it Obama's position that we should wait | :15:20. | :15:25. | |
until Malaki does it now, which he'll never do. My position is my | :15:26. | :15:29. | |
position, I don't control the UK. But your position on this? Is that | :15:30. | :15:39. | |
we all in Britain, Europe require ISIS to be defeated. Sorry, before | :15:40. | :15:49. | |
you deal with Malaki bomb them now? You can't make it conditional. Let | :15:50. | :15:54. | |
me come back to the broader picture, Diane. We went into Iraq, it's a | :15:55. | :15:59. | |
shambles. We didn't go into Syria, it's a shambles. What are the | :16:00. | :16:03. | |
lessons to be learned? It's a shambles either way and maybe it has | :16:04. | :16:07. | |
to be resolved by the people and the regional powers there? Actually, | :16:08. | :16:12. | |
that's what Obama was saying this evening. The lesson to be learn | :16:13. | :16:19. | |
suicide this kind of interventionists from outside, can't | :16:20. | :16:28. | |
be resolved from the Ottoman Empire. We cannot resolve this from outside. | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
Why is it rub snish For 20 years we have protected the Kurdish | :16:34. | :16:38. | |
autonomous region for 20 years. Clearly, it's possible for us to | :16:39. | :16:43. | |
protect and grow a stable democracy. Possible to protect the Kurds but | :16:44. | :16:52. | |
not possible to go from outside into a Sunni Shia Civil War. Your | :16:53. | :16:56. | |
question invites a reflection on the point made in the film that we were | :16:57. | :16:59. | |
right to get rid of Saddam Hussein because he was a murderous person, | :17:00. | :17:07. | |
even though he was a balancing power against Iran and controlled the | :17:08. | :17:11. | |
Al-Qaeda within Iraq. I'm afraid my position is that the Prime Minister | :17:12. | :17:14. | |
of Britain and the Foreign Secretary of Britain should be responsible for | :17:15. | :17:21. | |
and responsive to British interest and it was undoubtedly in British | :17:22. | :17:24. | |
interest that Saddam controlled Al-Qaeda in Iraq and that Iraq be | :17:25. | :17:28. | |
balanced against Iran. Since that has been removed, there is no doubt | :17:29. | :17:33. | |
that that's been against British interests. Tony Blair had the policy | :17:34. | :17:38. | |
of supporting Gaddafi in Libya, recognising that he, another | :17:39. | :17:42. | |
murderous horror, was actually a ball Wark against terrorism. He has | :17:43. | :17:48. | |
inconsistent... We are running out of time. I want to fin Nishing on | :17:49. | :17:54. | |
this point. You look at the White House's reluctance to do very much, | :17:55. | :17:58. | |
the Kurds are going their own way in the north and the Iranians are | :17:59. | :18:04. | |
moving in to the Shia part of Iraq. Day facto the country is | :18:05. | :18:08. | |
partitioned? I don't believe that will be the end consequence of this | :18:09. | :18:12. | |
and I don't believe that is the final act in this. We have a | :18:13. | :18:18. | |
strategic interest in the Middle East of growing stable democracies | :18:19. | :18:21. | |
and you can share your head all you can, Diane. It's a cliche. It's not | :18:22. | :18:27. | |
a cliche. It's not Mr Obama's objective? He rejected that in his | :18:28. | :18:33. | |
UN speech 679 The cowardice of Cameron and Obama has nothing to do | :18:34. | :18:37. | |
with me. The cowardice? Complete cowardice. Anyway, we have grown | :18:38. | :18:43. | |
democracy successfully in Europe through the 70s and 80s, defeating | :18:44. | :18:50. | |
communism. We have to have defeat Jihadism and Islamism and help the | :18:51. | :18:54. | |
democracy there is in Iraq, there in Israel, have one in Palestine, help | :18:55. | :18:58. | |
them grow in Egypt and do something that doesn't mean there's a bigger | :18:59. | :19:04. | |
and bigger mess. This will draw us into this in sort point of another. | :19:05. | :19:09. | |
It's late, like a trapped German potholer, we are dragging things out | :19:10. | :19:15. | |
for a happy ending. Hang on in there, because waiting in the wings | :19:16. | :19:20. | |
from The Killing, Sophie is here to talk fluently and without subtitles | :19:21. | :19:24. | |
about speaking English. For those who're not even on nodding terms | :19:25. | :19:28. | |
with the mother tongue, don't forget you can display your liberty | :19:29. | :19:32. | |
vocabulary on the Twitter, Fleecebook and interweb. | :19:33. | :19:38. | |
The poor Chinese premier after filling out all the tedious visa | :19:39. | :19:42. | |
forms finally arrived in Great Britain this week for a special | :19:43. | :19:46. | |
visit. With a bulging fanny pack of Chinese | :19:47. | :19:53. | |
Yuen. He feel ready to pick up some assets for the communist Phoebes | :19:54. | :19:59. | |
back home. What did he get his chums? A T-shirt that said "my | :20:00. | :20:03. | |
premier went to London, all he got me was a lousy stake in HS2". You | :20:04. | :20:10. | |
can understand the disappointment. The round-up of the my Al week. No | :20:11. | :20:15. | |
journalists were armed in the making of this film -- the round-up of the | :20:16. | :20:26. | |
mittical week. -- political week. | :20:27. | :20:35. | |
A carpet of the finest communist red was rolled out this week for the | :20:36. | :20:46. | |
Chinese premier. Even the Queen dusted off the finest bone heroin | :20:47. | :20:53. | |
for his wife at Windsor Castle. The premier of the people's Republic | :20:54. | :20:57. | |
of China, your Majesty... The Chinese could soon be building | :20:58. | :21:09. | |
and running our civil near power plants. In return, we gave the | :21:10. | :21:14. | |
Chinese premier a box DVD Dickens set and a signed script of Downton | :21:15. | :21:19. | |
Abbey. Apparently, there's something about the hierarchical nature of the | :21:20. | :21:26. | |
British aristocracy that appeals to the communists. We have more Chinese | :21:27. | :21:32. | |
investment into the UK in the last 18 months than in the whole of the | :21:33. | :21:37. | |
last 30 years combined. TRANSLATION: China is continuously | :21:38. | :21:41. | |
pushing forward on human rites, in close dialogue with if UK and other | :21:42. | :21:46. | |
countries. -- the UK. In many ways, we can learn a lot from each other, | :21:47. | :21:52. | |
even as we follow our own paths. To ensure it pours into Britain, we are | :21:53. | :22:00. | |
maybing it easy for Chinese visitors to apply for visas. | :22:01. | :22:06. | |
We had high end hand bags in Paris sold in higher numbers. Hopefully | :22:07. | :22:12. | |
the Chinese travellers applying for visas will have a better time than | :22:13. | :22:16. | |
the poor old Brits hoping for a passport. Would you like to | :22:17. | :22:21. | |
apologise? I absolutely recognise the anger and distress that some | :22:22. | :22:26. | |
people have suffered and I would like to put on record yes, that in | :22:27. | :22:31. | |
every case where we have not met our service standards and not met the US | :22:32. | :22:38. | |
mayors' needs, yes, we are sorry for that. So we take that as an apology | :22:39. | :22:48. | |
1234 It is an apology. Excellent. Days after Michael Gove was strong | :22:49. | :22:53. | |
armed into saying he liked Theresa May, one of the closest allies | :22:54. | :22:59. | |
poured out his bile over just about everybody in Downing Street. | :23:00. | :23:03. | |
Fighting talk was from Dominic Cummings, the revolutionary brain | :23:04. | :23:07. | |
behind the free schools programme. He laid into David Cameron for | :23:08. | :23:13. | |
having no priorities, focus or grip. He laid into the Prime Minister's | :23:14. | :23:20. | |
Chief of Staff as a third rate sucker, sycophant, presiding over | :23:21. | :23:25. | |
the shambolic court and the Prime Minister's director of | :23:26. | :23:28. | |
communications is just clueless. Ouch. The Prime Minister hit back | :23:29. | :23:33. | |
and described Cummings as a career psychopath. Michael Gove played all | :23:34. | :23:38. | |
innocent and said it had nothing to do with him. | :23:39. | :23:45. | |
Internal Whitehall squabbles all seemed trivial as the march of the | :23:46. | :23:50. | |
Sunni insurgent forces from the ISIS group towards Baghdad threatened the | :23:51. | :23:53. | |
partition of Iraq. The Iraqi Government pleaded with | :23:54. | :23:58. | |
the US to launch airstrikes on the Sunni insurgent forces, placing | :23:59. | :24:01. | |
Washington on the same side as Iran, a development the Foreign Secretary | :24:02. | :24:05. | |
was keen to encourage as he announced the re-opening of the | :24:06. | :24:10. | |
British Embassy in Tehran. It's an important step forward in | :24:11. | :24:15. | |
our bilateral relations with Iran in addition to discussing our | :24:16. | :24:19. | |
interests. We'll continue to press Iran to reach a deal with us and | :24:20. | :24:25. | |
other nations of the E 3 plus 3 on its nuclear programme and to promote | :24:26. | :24:29. | |
stability by ending its support for sectarian groups. | :24:30. | :24:32. | |
The success of the Sunni insurgents and the threat that they could pose | :24:33. | :24:36. | |
to the UK meant that Prime Minister's Questions was a rather | :24:37. | :24:40. | |
sombre affair as Ed Miliband asked about the future of Iraq. It's | :24:41. | :24:45. | |
deprived David Cameron of his chance to taunt Ed Miliband about THAT | :24:46. | :24:50. | |
picture with The Sun. The cut and thrust of domestic | :24:51. | :24:54. | |
politics soon returned as the Labour Leader announced plans to replace | :24:55. | :24:58. | |
out of work benefits for 18-21-year-olds with a less | :24:59. | :25:02. | |
expensive means tested payment linked to training. | :25:03. | :25:09. | |
We should abolish the 16-hour limit on training that has for decades | :25:10. | :25:14. | |
held young people back. And to pay for the changes in tough times we | :25:15. | :25:17. | |
should say young people will be entitled to financial support only | :25:18. | :25:20. | |
if they really need it. ? Labour regards the announcement as | :25:21. | :25:25. | |
a defining moment as Ed Miliband fights the chance that he needs the | :25:26. | :25:29. | |
welfare party. Miliband wants to show he understands the challenge | :25:30. | :25:34. | |
identified by the IPPR director Nick Pearce that Governments can no | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
longer spend their way to greater equality. But there was some | :25:39. | :25:42. | |
uncomfortable opinion polls with one showing that the Labour Party would | :25:43. | :25:45. | |
be better off with David Miliband in charge. Luckily, there was some | :25:46. | :25:51. | |
comraderie advice at hand. What Ed is trying to do is approach politics | :25:52. | :25:55. | |
in a rather different way from the way in which Tony Blair and New | :25:56. | :25:58. | |
Labour approached it. Do you think it's working? It may well work and | :25:59. | :26:04. | |
be successful. The preelection politics of the summer is final hi | :26:05. | :26:09. | |
taking shape. -- finally taking shape. Labour | :26:10. | :26:16. | |
frontbenches believe Ed Miliband is hampered by fundamental flaws while | :26:17. | :26:20. | |
George Osborne, the man booed at the Olympic Stadium, finally seems to be | :26:21. | :26:23. | |
benefitting from the economic upturn. | :26:24. | :26:30. | |
Still fighting his way out. Miranda's with us. Welcome back. | :26:31. | :26:34. | |
Diane, is Ed Miliband right to say that young people who refuse to take | :26:35. | :26:39. | |
training courses should lose their welfare payments? Depends what he's | :26:40. | :26:45. | |
trying to do. If he's trying to show that we can be tough on benefits, | :26:46. | :26:50. | |
pragmatically it's right. Whether cutting household income of some of | :26:51. | :26:55. | |
the poorest families will encourage some to go back to work remains to | :26:56. | :27:01. | |
be seen. Is he right or wrong? I gave you an obscure political | :27:02. | :27:06. | |
answer. I'm aware of that. I listen to politicians giving me these sorts | :27:07. | :27:10. | |
of answers. I'm going to get nowhere there then. What's the mood like on | :27:11. | :27:17. | |
the Labour backbenches? Well... If I'm honest, it's... Don't say that. | :27:18. | :27:21. | |
There is a feeling that it would be more comfortable to be further ahead | :27:22. | :27:30. | |
than we are now because some of us can remember being ahead of Kinnock. | :27:31. | :27:35. | |
Is your leader accident prone? Not particularly. He comes under | :27:36. | :27:40. | |
scrutiny of 24-hour media. Would you not expect him to be if he poses | :27:41. | :27:44. | |
with The Sun newspaper give Whant he said about Rupert Murdoch? Well, I | :27:45. | :27:50. | |
have to say that I think we got the worst of it. He shouldn't have posed | :27:51. | :27:56. | |
but then he apologised which made it all worse. Why would it not dawn on | :27:57. | :28:03. | |
him that posing with The Sun newspaper was a political threat to | :28:04. | :28:09. | |
him? You are asking me, Andrew! Back en. Bench Labour MPs have been | :28:10. | :28:14. | |
saying that all week. The man who stood up to Murdoch, holds his | :28:15. | :28:21. | |
biggest-selling newspaper. Except in Liverpool where it doesn't sell a | :28:22. | :28:28. | |
single copy. A Labour heartland. Is it because he's, in his own way, out | :28:29. | :28:32. | |
of touch with ordinary people, as Mr Cameron is? I wouldn't say that. I | :28:33. | :28:38. | |
think he's got people around him. Alan Johnson often sits there and | :28:39. | :28:42. | |
says Ed needs to overcome his geek image? I think that Ed has too many | :28:43. | :28:47. | |
people around him that don't have too much of a feel for how the | :28:48. | :28:51. | |
public thinks. Including him himself? People like Tim. He still | :28:52. | :28:57. | |
works for the Archbishop of Canterbury, which is a type of | :28:58. | :29:00. | |
politics but not Labour politics. Very well. Michael,Chinese leader | :29:01. | :29:09. | |
comes, he comes to Britain. It is no longer a matter of controversy; | :29:10. | :29:16. | |
there used to be demonstrations, but now China's economically important | :29:17. | :29:20. | |
to us, it's money that matters now? There used to be the demonstrations | :29:21. | :29:24. | |
and the police used to put lots of vans in front of the demonstrators | :29:25. | :29:29. | |
sothat when the premier came, he wouldn't be troubled by the | :29:30. | :29:33. | |
demonstrators and wouldn't have to know that people hated his human | :29:34. | :29:36. | |
rights record. It's amazing, when you go to China, you go to Tiananmen | :29:37. | :29:42. | |
Square and there is a huge picture and when you pick up your Yuen, the | :29:43. | :29:49. | |
currency, there on the bank notes he is there and he is probably the | :29:50. | :29:53. | |
greatest mass murderer of the 20th century. Bigger than Stalin. Who is | :29:54. | :30:01. | |
not on Russian bank notes? Who makes it look like a picnic. If you found | :30:02. | :30:09. | |
Adolf Hitler's poster on the ban denburg gate, or if you found that | :30:10. | :30:14. | |
your coins had Hitler on them, you would be appalled, yet you are | :30:15. | :30:18. | |
supposed to accept them. China is making huge investments in Africa | :30:19. | :30:21. | |
and the Third World. We have to watch that. Your leader was bundled | :30:22. | :30:34. | |
out of the room wasn't he? Metaphorically. Somebody has to | :30:35. | :30:38. | |
raise it, but it is quite recent I would say for the Government to have | :30:39. | :30:42. | |
a Deputy Prime Minister of a different party say it. Because then | :30:43. | :30:48. | |
it's not the Prime Minister and it's not the Foreign Secretary. I think | :30:49. | :30:53. | |
worry you're absolutely right, we'll be discussing human rights for as | :30:54. | :30:58. | |
long as we, let's hope, have an active business relationship with | :30:59. | :31:01. | |
China. But China is such a phenomenon and we don't know how to | :31:02. | :31:06. | |
react to it, because it challenges all out of values. What did you make | :31:07. | :31:12. | |
of Dominic Cummings, part of the Michael Gove team, no longer now. He | :31:13. | :31:17. | |
described the Prime Minister as, quote, bumbling. What did you make | :31:18. | :31:22. | |
of that? It is extraordinary that Michael Gove, if he is as loyal to | :31:23. | :31:27. | |
Michael Gove as he seems, that Michael Gove can't stop him making | :31:28. | :31:30. | |
these attacks on the Prime Minister himself. I think this idea of | :31:31. | :31:34. | |
Michael Gove, I think Michael Gove is utterly sincere in his desire to | :31:35. | :31:40. | |
promote social mobility but some of the ways he's antagonised the whole | :31:41. | :31:43. | |
of the educational world are coming back to bite him. I think having | :31:44. | :31:49. | |
Dominic Cummings, this uncontrolled figure, spitting out bile is not... | :31:50. | :31:56. | |
This is like Vince Cable and Lord Oakeshott. You say he is | :31:57. | :32:01. | |
uncontrolled but I find it hard to believe that Michael Gove isn't | :32:02. | :32:11. | |
aware he is saying these things. He also fired Ed Llewellyn as a closet | :32:12. | :32:26. | |
Lib Dem and, a classic sycophant presiding over a shambolic court. | :32:27. | :32:29. | |
Why doesn't he say what he means? He went on to describe Craig Oliver as | :32:30. | :32:33. | |
clueless. What did you make of, that Michael? I thought it was | :32:34. | :32:37. | |
extraordinary. Someone who had recently been an adviser to a | :32:38. | :32:41. | |
Secretary of State. Remarkable. He's used all the words. Is he right? I | :32:42. | :32:46. | |
think most Conservatives think that there's a problem at the heart of | :32:47. | :32:50. | |
the Prime Minister's operation, yes. So there's a problem at the heart, | :32:51. | :32:59. | |
you've revealed tonight, of Mr Miliband's operation and at the | :33:00. | :33:06. | |
heart of the Prime Minister's. Well. We are not exactly in the territory | :33:07. | :33:14. | |
of Alastair Campbell. We do not have a dominant figure who is controlling | :33:15. | :33:21. | |
and intimidating and driving the press and putting out the Government | :33:22. | :33:31. | |
message. You couldn't say we are in that situation, could you? No, I | :33:32. | :33:38. | |
think that would be fair. What's the truth of these stories that Mr Clegg | :33:39. | :33:45. | |
is beginning to think maybe we should have a referendum on Europe | :33:46. | :33:50. | |
after all? There is an active conservation going on. Personally I | :33:51. | :33:58. | |
think it is not just inevitable but it would be a good idea to change | :33:59. | :34:07. | |
the position on the referendum. It was a bit of a muddle I think. I | :34:08. | :34:17. | |
think a clear promise to hold a referendum and to fight for a let's | :34:18. | :34:23. | |
admit stay in would be more honest and is the right position for a | :34:24. | :34:29. | |
Democratic Party, one which had the word democrat in its name. I think | :34:30. | :34:34. | |
it is millennium mensually significant. As you know, it is my | :34:35. | :34:39. | |
-- I think it is immensely significant. It is my view that they | :34:40. | :34:45. | |
will not win an overall majority. There isn't going to be a referendum | :34:46. | :34:53. | |
because there isn't going to be a majority Government. If the Lib Dems | :34:54. | :35:00. | |
change their view, there is another chance of a coalition between | :35:01. | :35:16. | |
That's why we've decided to put speaking English in this week's | :35:17. | :35:33. | |
spotlight. You are probably more familiar with grebe Juan | :35:34. | :35:49. | |
According to he can's social Social Attitude Survey 95% of people claim | :35:50. | :35:57. | |
the ability to speak English is essential if you want to be | :35:58. | :36:02. | |
considered truly British. In Brazil you can hear many of the world's | :36:03. | :36:07. | |
languages, but as commentator Phil Neville found out, just because you | :36:08. | :36:12. | |
speak English, sort of, doesn't mean the world wants to hear you. That's | :36:13. | :36:20. | |
why I think and you know and I think you know... In football. As the | :36:21. | :36:25. | |
Chinese premier pays us a visit and the PM employs a translator, has | :36:26. | :36:31. | |
Chinese economic power become so great can we no longer call English | :36:32. | :36:36. | |
the international language of business? How important is the | :36:37. | :36:40. | |
mother tongue to identity and social cohesion. Does the English language | :36:41. | :36:46. | |
still matter or matter more than ever. Should everyone be talking | :36:47. | :36:53. | |
like what we do on he can, innit? Welcome to he can. Your English is | :36:54. | :36:59. | |
much better than many British people's English. I doubt it. Why is | :37:00. | :37:05. | |
that? Obviously it's not. I think you just proved that it is. Thank | :37:06. | :37:09. | |
you. It is probably better than your Danish. Yes, that's not a high bar. | :37:10. | :37:17. | |
I know. I will crawl over it. Obviously I come from a very small | :37:18. | :37:23. | |
country and we have to I think speak other languages. In order to | :37:24. | :37:26. | |
communicate with the rest of the world. It is not just other | :37:27. | :37:33. | |
languages is it? There seems to be an assumption in Denmark everyone | :37:34. | :37:37. | |
should speak English to a decent standard. I'm told 85 % of Danes | :37:38. | :37:44. | |
have English as a second language. I thought it was more. It is because | :37:45. | :37:50. | |
we are a very small nation and we can't be self - what's the word - | :37:51. | :37:59. | |
self supplying with anything. Certainly not culturally speak, so | :38:00. | :38:02. | |
we are used to importing culture. We get a lot of music and films and | :38:03. | :38:09. | |
culture from America and England. We are used to hearing it. But when it | :38:10. | :38:17. | |
comes to television in this country, the only imports we normally have | :38:18. | :38:24. | |
are American, because of the same language. There's always been | :38:25. | :38:28. | |
resistance to watching programmes with subtitles. You changed that. | :38:29. | :38:32. | |
You made subtitles acceptable in this country. Somebody told me | :38:33. | :38:38. | |
actually when The Killing was on the BBC that it was the third time that | :38:39. | :38:43. | |
the BBC had shown a series with subtitles. And now you can't get | :38:44. | :38:47. | |
away from them. We've got Borgen, The Bridge, the French one on Canal | :38:48. | :38:54. | |
Plus. All sorts of things but we still don't speak these languages. | :38:55. | :38:58. | |
But you don't have to. The that's the wonderful thing about subtitles. | :38:59. | :39:04. | |
What I think, on the one hand, it is just lovely that a thing is | :39:05. | :39:08. | |
successful and that it is well received. But it was very clear to | :39:09. | :39:14. | |
me, especially with the way the British received The Killing, that | :39:15. | :39:20. | |
on the one hand you have this show being entertaining and making and | :39:21. | :39:29. | |
getting an audience, but there was a cultural exchange, which makes me | :39:30. | :39:33. | |
proud. It proves to me the importance of sharing our stories. | :39:34. | :39:40. | |
Thank to Borgen we now know how coalition Government works. We never | :39:41. | :39:45. | |
did until this lot tried it. Now we understand it. And you are about to | :39:46. | :39:50. | |
take to the stage at the Edinburgh festival, your first English | :39:51. | :39:56. | |
language play. Your English is excellent but is it still daunting | :39:57. | :40:00. | |
to perform a play in a second language? A bit. It is terrifying. I | :40:01. | :40:07. | |
have to, I have just started rehearsing. Yes, it is terrifying. | :40:08. | :40:13. | |
And all the other actors are Scottish, so I'm like, I understand | :40:14. | :40:20. | |
almost everything they say, but still it's a completely different, | :40:21. | :40:25. | |
and I'm not going to even attempt to speak Scottish. I wonder, because | :40:26. | :40:30. | |
you are going to be playing Queen Margaret. I ought to speak Scottish. | :40:31. | :40:38. | |
Except she came from Denmark. She came to Scotland when she was 12. Do | :40:39. | :40:43. | |
you think she picked up a Scottish accent? Don't you? I think she spoke | :40:44. | :40:48. | |
fluently Scottish. So are you not going to try it with a Scottish | :40:49. | :40:54. | |
accent? Because I can help. The aristocracy in Scotland don't use a | :40:55. | :40:58. | |
Scottish accent. I think they did back then. How do you know that? I | :40:59. | :41:07. | |
don't. I said, I think. They hadn't been contaminated by going to | :41:08. | :41:12. | |
English public schools and sounding like you. You You can always | :41:13. | :41:18. | |
impersonate something. Can we go back to British values. I think you | :41:19. | :41:26. | |
need to know a language almost perfectly, 99%, not be in some way | :41:27. | :41:31. | |
excluded. I speak fairly decent Spanish but when I go to Spain I'm | :41:32. | :41:35. | |
that were there's a barrier between me and the proper conversation I | :41:36. | :41:39. | |
would like to have, because I'm not anywhere near that 99%. You are at | :41:40. | :41:45. | |
99%. No I'm not. In a way it doesn't matter about you for a moment, but I | :41:46. | :41:49. | |
do think people in Britain. My father I think was substantially | :41:50. | :41:54. | |
excluded because his flower was only 70%. Diane? Quite often foreigners, | :41:55. | :42:02. | |
including from the West Indies and all sorts of places, speak better | :42:03. | :42:06. | |
English than some English people. They may have an accent but they | :42:07. | :42:12. | |
speak better and more grammatical English, mainly because they were | :42:13. | :42:18. | |
taught grammar. You've got to pick up the current slang. You've got to | :42:19. | :42:22. | |
be in with the humour, to have all the nuances. If you hang around with | :42:23. | :42:28. | |
the Scots, you will pick that up. We open at the Edinburgh festival. It | :42:29. | :42:32. | |
is a co-production with the National Theatre of Scotland and the National | :42:33. | :42:37. | |
Theatre. Good luck with it. When you get on that plane in the final | :42:38. | :42:41. | |
episode of The Killing, where did you go? I think I took a plane to | :42:42. | :42:46. | |
Iceland. You are not coming back? Is definitely not. That's a pity. Good | :42:47. | :42:48. | |
luck with the play. But not for us, | :42:49. | :42:52. | |
because it's Boris Johnson's He's managed to reach 50 - | :42:53. | :42:56. | |
years that is, not affairs. Michael says he'll wait outside | :42:57. | :43:00. | |
in the car. But we leave you tonight with | :43:01. | :43:04. | |
a call from Peter Tapsell, Father of the House of Commons, | :43:05. | :43:06. | |
for Tony Blair to be impeached. "Impeach the President" was a cry | :43:07. | :43:09. | |
during Watergate, but it hasn't been His English isn't too good, | :43:10. | :43:12. | |
so I hope you can understand him. Nighty-night, | :43:13. | :43:18. | |
don't let President Blair bite. so I hope you can understand him. | :43:19. | :43:34. | |
The ancient but still existing power of backbenchers to commence the | :43:35. | :43:40. | |
procedures of impeachment should now be activated, to bring Mr Tony Blair | :43:41. | :43:48. | |
to account for allegedly misleading the House on the necessity of the | :43:49. | :44:03. | |
invasion of Iraq in 20 #0 0 #3 3. -- in 200 #3 3. | :44:04. | :44:08. |