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Tonight on This Week, as we roll out the oriental rug for the Chinese

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Premier, we're in the mood for a little bit of This Week fighting.

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Iraq asks America for airstrikes against advancing

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jihadis - former adviser to Tony Blair, John McTernan, tells us

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why his old boss is definitely not "unhinged" about Iraq.

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McTernan. Blair's right. Iraq needs all the help it can get in this

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fight. The Chinese leader took tea with

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the Queen and even kowtowed to But is the Labour leader more

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"Kung Fu Panda" than successful Funky Guardian man Nic Watt is

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a little bit frightening. Ed, some call him Red, found himself

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under fire but he fought back with a series of tough policy

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announcements. The Chinese Premier relied

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on a translator to communicate, but must you be able to speak English to

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be considered "truly British"? Forget shirt watch,

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we have "jumper-watch" with Sarah Lund, otherwise known

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as Danish actor Sofie Grabol. Everybody was This Week Fighting.

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Those kicks were fast as lightning. Evenin' all, welcome to This Week,

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coming to you live from a channel High-brow home of hit TV shows such

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as Homes Under the Hammer, Flog It! Because, dear viewer, due to the

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huge national interest in tonight's crucial football match between, er,

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Japan and Greece - for days Britain has spoken of nothing else - and the

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total lack of national interest in a militant jihadist attempt to destroy

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the state of Iraq, redraw the boundaries of the

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Middle East, create a medieval Islamist caliphate then come gunning

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for us, we've been forced to leave our usual berth on BBC One

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and find any old port in a storm. One that even Old Paxo

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has now abandoned. Fortunately

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for us we've been granted the highly prestigious 'post-Newsnight' slot

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here on BBC Two, the berth of documentaries nobody wants to see,

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repeats and Conference Round Up. So we're praying that either

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of Newsnight's viewers - or maybe - bother to stay with us

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for the duration. Speaking of hugely important

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geopolitical events that always play second fiddle to 22 grown -men

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kicking a ball around a field, I'm joined on the sofa tonight by

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two people whose commentary always captures the excitement and energy

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of important global events. Think of them as the Trevor Nelson

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and Phil Neville I speak of course of #baffled

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Diane Abbott. And #sadmanonatrain Michael

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"just been knocked out of the World England hasn't yet but it is hanging

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on by its finger tails My topic of the week is the Spanish monarchy.

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They are having to invent these things as they go. They don't have

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the long-term stability that we have. Secondly, to recall that

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because Spain uses in its democracy the list system of proportional

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representation, they don't have the same democracy that we do. I'm so

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sorry that our democracy's been polluted by list systems which are

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now in use in Scotland and the European elections, which are

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nondemocratic and antidemocratic. And one of the reasons the King has

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had to abdicate is he was caught elephant hunting and carrying on the

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high life at a time when Spain had within ruined by going into the

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euro. The economy there has been devastated, like so many European

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economies. It is worth remembering that we in this country, although

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we've had a rough time, we haven't been devastated by being in the

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euro. He's on a roll tonight. I thought he would never stop! So did

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I. I thought I was going to have to rugby tackle him to the ground. Die

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afternoon, your short moment of the week. It is always short to hear him

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talking about Spain. Actually it was listening to President Obama's

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statement about reactionier this evening. I was relieved because he

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resisted the pressure from crazy Republicans to put American boots

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back on the ground in Iraq. President Obama is so brave to say

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that he won't. We are going on to talk about that. Have you forgot on

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the take your medication tonight? When I say 'Portillo',

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you say 'train'. When I say 'Abbott',

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you say 'baffled'. And when I say Blair,

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everyone says 'Iraq'. Such is the toxicity

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of the 2003 invasion that, more than 10 years on - in this country

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at least - we still view events in the Middle East through the prism

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of the former Prime Minister. So, as the Iraqi Government calls

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for American airstrikes against advancing jihadist militants,

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will the West - should the West - be drawn back into a conflict we

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thought we'd left behind? We turned to Tony Blair's former

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Director of Political Operations, You probably think you know exactly

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how history will treat Tony Blair and his actions in Iraq. I'm Leary

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to item you you are completely wrong. The truth is we were right to

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go into Iraq and we left too early. We left for our own selfish

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political reasons. And now in Iraq's greatest need, it would be wrong for

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us to leave Iraq on its own. Supporting the Middle East's only

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other functioning democracy after Israel remains great moral cause it

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was when I worked for Tony Blair when I worked for the Prime Minister

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of Baghdad. It is an appalling reflection on the House of Commons

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that many MPs who voted for the Iraq war are shirking their

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responsibility now. Unlike Tony Blair our current leaders have no

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idea what to do. People say that everything that's wrong with Iraq is

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the fault of Blair and bush. They say there was no Al-Qaeda in Iraq

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before 2003. Let's be clear what that actually. Is it is the kind of

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bloodless amoral pragmatic foreign policy speak worthy of a Henry

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Kissinger. They are really saying Saddam Hussein may have been a

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genocidal fascist dictator but at least he kept the Iranians and the

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jihadists at bay. If we don't act now, we'll surely act later. We have

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to go back to Iraq to defend democracy. After all, as Margaret

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Thatcher said at the time of the Falklands crisis, why else do we

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have Armed Forces? And from the Imperial War Museum in Southwark to

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our own war museum in the heart of Westminster. John McTernan, welcome.

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So what exactly should we do? We shall initially be giving strong

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moral support for the Kurds and the Iraqis. We do not want to see

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dislodged a democracy fully supported since 2003. All of which

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people turned out in greater numbers and people risked their lives to go

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to vote. That's not a policy, that's a series of opinions. But we have to

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be clear, the UK, the US, the European Union, that we do not want

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to see the democracy fall and we have to give the support. What shall

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we do? We were in the situation where with America we are able to

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offer logistical support, humanitarian support, support

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through intelligence and we can offer, we could use drones if we

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chose to take out the leadership of ISIS and have notify zones. What's

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the point of a no-fly zones for a bunch of terrorists that don't have

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planes We do fly over them and bomb them. ISIS don't have any planes.

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There's a range of military options we could have. You think British

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jets should be flying over Iraq? I think Britain should be prepared to

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do anything they can to stop terrorists taking over a democratic

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state in Iraq. What do you say to that? It's a touching display of

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loyalty. To whom? For Tony Blair from his former aide. It is not we

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going into Iraq, but other people's sons and daughters. Your argument is

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that we should have gone into Iraq to change the regime. I was in

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Parliament at the time and the one thing Parliament wasn't prepared to

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do was to vote to go to war to change the regime. I know it's a

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minor matter to a Blair acolyte but we still live in a democracy. What

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are you laughing at? Never mind. John McTernan, what's the answer to

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that? The change of regime was as a consequence of Saddam Hussein

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failing to implement United Nations reduces. You don't understand what I

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am saying. You can talk over me if you like! Tony Blair made a point of

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insisting that we weren't going in for regime change. He knew that was

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illegal and the House wasn't vote for it. It is not you and Tony Blair

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who sends poem's sons to war. They couldn't get a majority in

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Parliament,s that correct? I said we should go to Iraq to defend

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democracy, not defend a regime change. There's a regime change

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there. If Diane is happy to see terrorists overturn the regime

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there... There are far more terrorist there is than there were

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at the beginning. Isn't one of the ironies of the situation that we

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into Iraq because it was supposed to be an existential threat to us. It

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is now choc-a-block with terrorist and we are unable to go in because

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of what happened before. And tests so violent even Al-Qaeda has

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rejected them. The answer to that is that the terrorism occurred and

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ISIS's growth is post 2011, after the UK and the US left. It was not

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right to leave that country. It was too early. This is all academic

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isn't it? It's quite clear from tonight that Mr Obama is going to do

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everything it takes to avoid any major intervention. If the Americans

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aren't going to go in this any major way, no-one's going in this any

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major way, except Iran. I agree with you that's academic, but to be fair

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to our guest, I think there is a perfectly good case for bombing the

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hell out of these terrorists, because they are very dangerous

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people as David Cameron said the other day, this isn't some distance

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place about which we don't care, this is a place seething with

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terrorists who are likely to attack Britain. The point they didn't

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address is whether bombing the people back to the Middle Ages...

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But they are in the Middle Ages anyway. All the evidence suggests

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that so far we've made our less safe. Whatever we may think about

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defending democracy isn't an offer. What is now on offer is that we

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fight on behalf of a Shia regime in Baghdad which is a client state of

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the regime in Iran against a whole lot of Sunnis who've been

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dispossessed by the Shias. Let John McTernan answer. The Government

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hasn't yet been formed following the most recent general election, and

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Nouri Al-Maliki, his support weakened fourth in this general

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election than the one before The key in Iraq has always been and is today

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the Kurds. They demonstrate that you can have a nonsectarian part of

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reaction defended safely by their own security. The Kurds are part of

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Iraq. But they are going their own way. The Kurds are simply securing

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the defence of the Kurdish autonomous region. That's what you

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would expect them to do. If they were more like the peshmerga, you

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wouldn't have them running away in Mosul. You seem to be glossing over

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that. You don't have to have Sunni Shia conflict that's Civil War, or a

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sectarian Government. You can have the European Union, the UK and the

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US have responsibility here to be pressuring Malaki to be forming a

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grander coalition. He's not going to. Supposedly the American position

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is that help is available but only if Al-Malaki reforms. So is that

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your position, because if it is, what you are really saying is, you

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are not going to do anything. Obama is stalling for time. He

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knowsal-Malaki won't do a deal, so is that your position? I think there

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is a huge possibility potential for this conflict to change the balance

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of power in the region. I don't think it's in ours or America's

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interests... Is it yours and Blair's position that we should bomb now

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before Malaki's done a deal or is it Obama's position that we should wait

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until Malaki does it now, which he'll never do. My position is my

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position, I don't control the UK. But your position on this? Is that

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we all in Britain, Europe require ISIS to be defeated. Sorry, before

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you deal with Malaki bomb them now? You can't make it conditional. Let

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me come back to the broader picture, Diane. We went into Iraq, it's a

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shambles. We didn't go into Syria, it's a shambles. What are the

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lessons to be learned? It's a shambles either way and maybe it has

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to be resolved by the people and the regional powers there? Actually,

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that's what Obama was saying this evening. The lesson to be learn

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suicide this kind of interventionists from outside, can't

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be resolved from the Ottoman Empire. We cannot resolve this from outside.

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Why is it rub snish For 20 years we have protected the Kurdish

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autonomous region for 20 years. Clearly, it's possible for us to

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protect and grow a stable democracy. Possible to protect the Kurds but

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not possible to go from outside into a Sunni Shia Civil War. Your

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question invites a reflection on the point made in the film that we were

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right to get rid of Saddam Hussein because he was a murderous person,

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even though he was a balancing power against Iran and controlled the

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Al-Qaeda within Iraq. I'm afraid my position is that the Prime Minister

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of Britain and the Foreign Secretary of Britain should be responsible for

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and responsive to British interest and it was undoubtedly in British

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interest that Saddam controlled Al-Qaeda in Iraq and that Iraq be

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balanced against Iran. Since that has been removed, there is no doubt

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that that's been against British interests. Tony Blair had the policy

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of supporting Gaddafi in Libya, recognising that he, another

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murderous horror, was actually a ball Wark against terrorism. He has

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inconsistent... We are running out of time. I want to fin Nishing on

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this point. You look at the White House's reluctance to do very much,

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the Kurds are going their own way in the north and the Iranians are

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moving in to the Shia part of Iraq. Day facto the country is

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partitioned? I don't believe that will be the end consequence of this

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and I don't believe that is the final act in this. We have a

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strategic interest in the Middle East of growing stable democracies

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and you can share your head all you can, Diane. It's a cliche. It's not

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a cliche. It's not Mr Obama's objective? He rejected that in his

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UN speech 679 The cowardice of Cameron and Obama has nothing to do

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with me. The cowardice? Complete cowardice. Anyway, we have grown

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democracy successfully in Europe through the 70s and 80s, defeating

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communism. We have to have defeat Jihadism and Islamism and help the

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democracy there is in Iraq, there in Israel, have one in Palestine, help

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them grow in Egypt and do something that doesn't mean there's a bigger

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and bigger mess. This will draw us into this in sort point of another.

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It's late, like a trapped German potholer, we are dragging things out

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for a happy ending. Hang on in there, because waiting in the wings

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from The Killing, Sophie is here to talk fluently and without subtitles

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about speaking English. For those who're not even on nodding terms

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with the mother tongue, don't forget you can display your liberty

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vocabulary on the Twitter, Fleecebook and interweb.

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The poor Chinese premier after filling out all the tedious visa

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forms finally arrived in Great Britain this week for a special

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visit. With a bulging fanny pack of Chinese

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Yuen. He feel ready to pick up some assets for the communist Phoebes

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back home. What did he get his chums? A T-shirt that said "my

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premier went to London, all he got me was a lousy stake in HS2". You

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can understand the disappointment. The round-up of the my Al week. No

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journalists were armed in the making of this film -- the round-up of the

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mittical week. -- political week.

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A carpet of the finest communist red was rolled out this week for the

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Chinese premier. Even the Queen dusted off the finest bone heroin

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for his wife at Windsor Castle. The premier of the people's Republic

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of China, your Majesty... The Chinese could soon be building

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and running our civil near power plants. In return, we gave the

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Chinese premier a box DVD Dickens set and a signed script of Downton

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Abbey. Apparently, there's something about the hierarchical nature of the

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British aristocracy that appeals to the communists. We have more Chinese

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investment into the UK in the last 18 months than in the whole of the

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last 30 years combined. TRANSLATION: China is continuously

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pushing forward on human rites, in close dialogue with if UK and other

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countries. -- the UK. In many ways, we can learn a lot from each other,

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even as we follow our own paths. To ensure it pours into Britain, we are

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maybing it easy for Chinese visitors to apply for visas.

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We had high end hand bags in Paris sold in higher numbers. Hopefully

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the Chinese travellers applying for visas will have a better time than

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the poor old Brits hoping for a passport. Would you like to

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apologise? I absolutely recognise the anger and distress that some

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people have suffered and I would like to put on record yes, that in

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every case where we have not met our service standards and not met the US

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mayors' needs, yes, we are sorry for that. So we take that as an apology

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1234 It is an apology. Excellent. Days after Michael Gove was strong

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armed into saying he liked Theresa May, one of the closest allies

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poured out his bile over just about everybody in Downing Street.

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Fighting talk was from Dominic Cummings, the revolutionary brain

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behind the free schools programme. He laid into David Cameron for

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having no priorities, focus or grip. He laid into the Prime Minister's

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Chief of Staff as a third rate sucker, sycophant, presiding over

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the shambolic court and the Prime Minister's director of

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communications is just clueless. Ouch. The Prime Minister hit back

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and described Cummings as a career psychopath. Michael Gove played all

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innocent and said it had nothing to do with him.

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Internal Whitehall squabbles all seemed trivial as the march of the

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Sunni insurgent forces from the ISIS group towards Baghdad threatened the

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partition of Iraq. The Iraqi Government pleaded with

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the US to launch airstrikes on the Sunni insurgent forces, placing

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Washington on the same side as Iran, a development the Foreign Secretary

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was keen to encourage as he announced the re-opening of the

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British Embassy in Tehran. It's an important step forward in

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our bilateral relations with Iran in addition to discussing our

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interests. We'll continue to press Iran to reach a deal with us and

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other nations of the E 3 plus 3 on its nuclear programme and to promote

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stability by ending its support for sectarian groups.

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The success of the Sunni insurgents and the threat that they could pose

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to the UK meant that Prime Minister's Questions was a rather

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sombre affair as Ed Miliband asked about the future of Iraq. It's

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deprived David Cameron of his chance to taunt Ed Miliband about THAT

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picture with The Sun. The cut and thrust of domestic

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politics soon returned as the Labour Leader announced plans to replace

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out of work benefits for 18-21-year-olds with a less

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expensive means tested payment linked to training.

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We should abolish the 16-hour limit on training that has for decades

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held young people back. And to pay for the changes in tough times we

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should say young people will be entitled to financial support only

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if they really need it. ? Labour regards the announcement as

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a defining moment as Ed Miliband fights the chance that he needs the

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welfare party. Miliband wants to show he understands the challenge

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identified by the IPPR director Nick Pearce that Governments can no

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longer spend their way to greater equality. But there was some

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uncomfortable opinion polls with one showing that the Labour Party would

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be better off with David Miliband in charge. Luckily, there was some

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comraderie advice at hand. What Ed is trying to do is approach politics

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in a rather different way from the way in which Tony Blair and New

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Labour approached it. Do you think it's working? It may well work and

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be successful. The preelection politics of the summer is final hi

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taking shape. -- finally taking shape. Labour

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frontbenches believe Ed Miliband is hampered by fundamental flaws while

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George Osborne, the man booed at the Olympic Stadium, finally seems to be

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benefitting from the economic upturn.

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Still fighting his way out. Miranda's with us. Welcome back.

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Diane, is Ed Miliband right to say that young people who refuse to take

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training courses should lose their welfare payments? Depends what he's

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trying to do. If he's trying to show that we can be tough on benefits,

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pragmatically it's right. Whether cutting household income of some of

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the poorest families will encourage some to go back to work remains to

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be seen. Is he right or wrong? I gave you an obscure political

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answer. I'm aware of that. I listen to politicians giving me these sorts

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of answers. I'm going to get nowhere there then. What's the mood like on

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the Labour backbenches? Well... If I'm honest, it's... Don't say that.

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There is a feeling that it would be more comfortable to be further ahead

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than we are now because some of us can remember being ahead of Kinnock.

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Is your leader accident prone? Not particularly. He comes under

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scrutiny of 24-hour media. Would you not expect him to be if he poses

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with The Sun newspaper give Whant he said about Rupert Murdoch? Well, I

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have to say that I think we got the worst of it. He shouldn't have posed

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but then he apologised which made it all worse. Why would it not dawn on

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him that posing with The Sun newspaper was a political threat to

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him? You are asking me, Andrew! Back en. Bench Labour MPs have been

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saying that all week. The man who stood up to Murdoch, holds his

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biggest-selling newspaper. Except in Liverpool where it doesn't sell a

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single copy. A Labour heartland. Is it because he's, in his own way, out

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of touch with ordinary people, as Mr Cameron is? I wouldn't say that. I

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think he's got people around him. Alan Johnson often sits there and

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says Ed needs to overcome his geek image? I think that Ed has too many

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people around him that don't have too much of a feel for how the

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public thinks. Including him himself? People like Tim. He still

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works for the Archbishop of Canterbury, which is a type of

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politics but not Labour politics. Very well. Michael,Chinese leader

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comes, he comes to Britain. It is no longer a matter of controversy;

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there used to be demonstrations, but now China's economically important

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to us, it's money that matters now? There used to be the demonstrations

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and the police used to put lots of vans in front of the demonstrators

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sothat when the premier came, he wouldn't be troubled by the

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demonstrators and wouldn't have to know that people hated his human

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rights record. It's amazing, when you go to China, you go to Tiananmen

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Square and there is a huge picture and when you pick up your Yuen, the

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currency, there on the bank notes he is there and he is probably the

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greatest mass murderer of the 20th century. Bigger than Stalin. Who is

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not on Russian bank notes? Who makes it look like a picnic. If you found

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Adolf Hitler's poster on the ban denburg gate, or if you found that

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your coins had Hitler on them, you would be appalled, yet you are

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supposed to accept them. China is making huge investments in Africa

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and the Third World. We have to watch that. Your leader was bundled

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out of the room wasn't he? Metaphorically. Somebody has to

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raise it, but it is quite recent I would say for the Government to have

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a Deputy Prime Minister of a different party say it. Because then

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it's not the Prime Minister and it's not the Foreign Secretary. I think

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worry you're absolutely right, we'll be discussing human rights for as

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long as we, let's hope, have an active business relationship with

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China. But China is such a phenomenon and we don't know how to

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react to it, because it challenges all out of values. What did you make

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of Dominic Cummings, part of the Michael Gove team, no longer now. He

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described the Prime Minister as, quote, bumbling. What did you make

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of that? It is extraordinary that Michael Gove, if he is as loyal to

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Michael Gove as he seems, that Michael Gove can't stop him making

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these attacks on the Prime Minister himself. I think this idea of

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Michael Gove, I think Michael Gove is utterly sincere in his desire to

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promote social mobility but some of the ways he's antagonised the whole

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of the educational world are coming back to bite him. I think having

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Dominic Cummings, this uncontrolled figure, spitting out bile is not...

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This is like Vince Cable and Lord Oakeshott. You say he is

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uncontrolled but I find it hard to believe that Michael Gove isn't

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aware he is saying these things. He also fired Ed Llewellyn as a closet

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Lib Dem and, a classic sycophant presiding over a shambolic court.

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Why doesn't he say what he means? He went on to describe Craig Oliver as

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clueless. What did you make of, that Michael? I thought it was

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extraordinary. Someone who had recently been an adviser to a

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Secretary of State. Remarkable. He's used all the words. Is he right? I

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think most Conservatives think that there's a problem at the heart of

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the Prime Minister's operation, yes. So there's a problem at the heart,

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you've revealed tonight, of Mr Miliband's operation and at the

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heart of the Prime Minister's. Well. We are not exactly in the territory

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of Alastair Campbell. We do not have a dominant figure who is controlling

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and intimidating and driving the press and putting out the Government

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message. You couldn't say we are in that situation, could you? No, I

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think that would be fair. What's the truth of these stories that Mr Clegg

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is beginning to think maybe we should have a referendum on Europe

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after all? There is an active conservation going on. Personally I

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think it is not just inevitable but it would be a good idea to change

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the position on the referendum. It was a bit of a muddle I think. I

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think a clear promise to hold a referendum and to fight for a let's

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admit stay in would be more honest and is the right position for a

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Democratic Party, one which had the word democrat in its name. I think

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it is millennium mensually significant. As you know, it is my

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-- I think it is immensely significant. It is my view that they

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will not win an overall majority. There isn't going to be a referendum

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because there isn't going to be a majority Government. If the Lib Dems

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change their view, there is another chance of a coalition between

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That's why we've decided to put speaking English in this week's

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spotlight. You are probably more familiar with grebe Juan

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According to he can's social Social Attitude Survey 95% of people claim

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the ability to speak English is essential if you want to be

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considered truly British. In Brazil you can hear many of the world's

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languages, but as commentator Phil Neville found out, just because you

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speak English, sort of, doesn't mean the world wants to hear you. That's

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why I think and you know and I think you know... In football. As the

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Chinese premier pays us a visit and the PM employs a translator, has

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Chinese economic power become so great can we no longer call English

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the international language of business? How important is the

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mother tongue to identity and social cohesion. Does the English language

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still matter or matter more than ever. Should everyone be talking

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like what we do on he can, innit? Welcome to he can. Your English is

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much better than many British people's English. I doubt it. Why is

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that? Obviously it's not. I think you just proved that it is. Thank

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you. It is probably better than your Danish. Yes, that's not a high bar.

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I know. I will crawl over it. Obviously I come from a very small

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country and we have to I think speak other languages. In order to

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communicate with the rest of the world. It is not just other

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languages is it? There seems to be an assumption in Denmark everyone

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should speak English to a decent standard. I'm told 85 % of Danes

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have English as a second language. I thought it was more. It is because

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we are a very small nation and we can't be self - what's the word -

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self supplying with anything. Certainly not culturally speak, so

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we are used to importing culture. We get a lot of music and films and

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culture from America and England. We are used to hearing it. But when it

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comes to television in this country, the only imports we normally have

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are American, because of the same language. There's always been

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resistance to watching programmes with subtitles. You changed that.

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You made subtitles acceptable in this country. Somebody told me

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actually when The Killing was on the BBC that it was the third time that

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the BBC had shown a series with subtitles. And now you can't get

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away from them. We've got Borgen, The Bridge, the French one on Canal

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Plus. All sorts of things but we still don't speak these languages.

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But you don't have to. The that's the wonderful thing about subtitles.

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What I think, on the one hand, it is just lovely that a thing is

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successful and that it is well received. But it was very clear to

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me, especially with the way the British received The Killing, that

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on the one hand you have this show being entertaining and making and

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getting an audience, but there was a cultural exchange, which makes me

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proud. It proves to me the importance of sharing our stories.

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Thank to Borgen we now know how coalition Government works. We never

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did until this lot tried it. Now we understand it. And you are about to

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take to the stage at the Edinburgh festival, your first English

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language play. Your English is excellent but is it still daunting

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to perform a play in a second language? A bit. It is terrifying. I

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have to, I have just started rehearsing. Yes, it is terrifying.

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And all the other actors are Scottish, so I'm like, I understand

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almost everything they say, but still it's a completely different,

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and I'm not going to even attempt to speak Scottish. I wonder, because

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you are going to be playing Queen Margaret. I ought to speak Scottish.

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Except she came from Denmark. She came to Scotland when she was 12. Do

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you think she picked up a Scottish accent? Don't you? I think she spoke

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fluently Scottish. So are you not going to try it with a Scottish

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accent? Because I can help. The aristocracy in Scotland don't use a

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Scottish accent. I think they did back then. How do you know that? I

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don't. I said, I think. They hadn't been contaminated by going to

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English public schools and sounding like you. You You can always

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impersonate something. Can we go back to British values. I think you

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need to know a language almost perfectly, 99%, not be in some way

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excluded. I speak fairly decent Spanish but when I go to Spain I'm

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that were there's a barrier between me and the proper conversation I

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would like to have, because I'm not anywhere near that 99%. You are at

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99%. No I'm not. In a way it doesn't matter about you for a moment, but I

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do think people in Britain. My father I think was substantially

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excluded because his flower was only 70%. Diane? Quite often foreigners,

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including from the West Indies and all sorts of places, speak better

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English than some English people. They may have an accent but they

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speak better and more grammatical English, mainly because they were

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taught grammar. You've got to pick up the current slang. You've got to

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be in with the humour, to have all the nuances. If you hang around with

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the Scots, you will pick that up. We open at the Edinburgh festival. It

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is a co-production with the National Theatre of Scotland and the National

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Theatre. Good luck with it. When you get on that plane in the final

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episode of The Killing, where did you go? I think I took a plane to

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Iceland. You are not coming back? Is definitely not. That's a pity. Good

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luck with the play. But not for us,

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because it's Boris Johnson's He's managed to reach 50 -

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years that is, not affairs. Michael says he'll wait outside

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in the car. But we leave you tonight with

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a call from Peter Tapsell, Father of the House of Commons,

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for Tony Blair to be impeached. "Impeach the President" was a cry

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during Watergate, but it hasn't been His English isn't too good,

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so I hope you can understand him. Nighty-night,

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don't let President Blair bite. so I hope you can understand him.

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The ancient but still existing power of backbenchers to commence the

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procedures of impeachment should now be activated, to bring Mr Tony Blair

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to account for allegedly misleading the House on the necessity of the

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invasion of Iraq in 20 #0 0 #3 3. -- in 200 #3 3.

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