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Tonight on This Week, we diagnose a medical drama. | :00:09. | :00:13. | |
Emergency in the NHS as Junior Doctors go on strike. | :00:14. | :00:17. | |
But who will be the biggest casualty? | :00:18. | :00:22. | |
Doctor and Bake Off heartthrob Tamal Ray is playing Operation. | :00:23. | :00:27. | |
The stakes are high, for this guy and they NHS, and that's why I | :00:28. | :00:32. | |
support the junior doctors strike. It's not only the health | :00:33. | :00:34. | |
of the nation the Prime Minister is worried about, but the health | :00:35. | :00:37. | |
of his campaign to keep Sky's Adam Boulton | :00:38. | :00:39. | |
is taking the pulse. Is David Cameron's EU prescription | :00:40. | :00:52. | |
but for the health of the nation? -- good for the health of the nation. | :00:53. | :01:00. | |
And mental health is back in the news this week | :01:01. | :01:03. | |
as the Prime Minister claims it's a Government priority. | :01:04. | :01:05. | |
Singer and former Girls Aloud band member, Nicola Roberts | :01:06. | :01:07. | |
I've been taking the pulse on mental health care, and we need to put more | :01:08. | :01:13. | |
signs of life into it. Are there any signs | :01:14. | :01:15. | |
of life left in This Week? Welcome to This Week, | :01:16. | :01:19. | |
a week in which, I kid you not, the Shadow Politburo | :01:20. | :01:21. | |
reshuffle is still going on. Yes, no sooner did Comrade Jezza | :01:22. | :01:23. | |
think he had all his apparatchiks in a row at last than yet another | :01:24. | :01:27. | |
loyal member chose to exile themselves, leaving him | :01:28. | :01:29. | |
with a fresh vacancy to fill. There are Labour MPs still sitting | :01:30. | :01:32. | |
by their phones in the hope Jezza And others who've dared not | :01:33. | :01:36. | |
answer their phones since the start of the year, for fear | :01:37. | :01:41. | |
that he'd do just that. If this goes on much longer | :01:42. | :01:44. | |
there are fellow travellers as-yet-unborn who could well | :01:45. | :01:47. | |
feature in this reshuffle. Just as posh folk put their kids | :01:48. | :01:50. | |
down for Eton the moment the little brat is born, I understand | :01:51. | :01:54. | |
fashionable families in Islington are now putting forward | :01:55. | :01:56. | |
the names of their new-born There's certainly no | :01:57. | :01:59. | |
shortage of places. There are not one, not two, | :02:00. | :02:04. | |
but three Labour MPs with the title shadow minister for | :02:05. | :02:07. | |
women and equalities. But it turns out only one is allowed | :02:08. | :02:10. | |
to attend the shadow cabinet. Some equalities ministers, | :02:11. | :02:13. | |
it would seem, are more I'm joined on the sofa tonight | :02:14. | :02:15. | |
by two Westminster love birds, fully engaged in | :02:16. | :02:21. | |
the battle of ideas. Think of them as the Jerry Hall | :02:22. | :02:23. | |
and the Rupert Murdoch I speak, of course, of #jesswecan | :02:24. | :02:26. | |
Jess Phillips and #sadmanonatrain Michael, your moment of the week? A | :02:27. | :02:47. | |
series of moments. I've been asking politically wise people, whether | :02:48. | :02:52. | |
Britain would actually leave the EU. The vast majority of these wise men | :02:53. | :02:56. | |
and women think it would not happen. The British government would not go | :02:57. | :03:00. | |
so quietly and the European Union would certainly not go so quietly. | :03:01. | :03:04. | |
What would happen would be what has happened in most European referendum | :03:05. | :03:05. | |
is where the voters turn out happened in most European referendum | :03:06. | :03:11. | |
wrong way from the establishment, there would be a further | :03:12. | :03:12. | |
renegotiation and a further referendum and a chance for people | :03:13. | :03:16. | |
to get it right a second time. If you accept what this is, a fairly | :03:17. | :03:21. | |
common-sense point of view, I think, the only rational thing to do is | :03:22. | :03:26. | |
vote to leave. Only at that point do you get a proper renegotiation and | :03:27. | :03:28. | |
the possibility of proper settlement. That might explain why | :03:29. | :03:35. | |
the Chancellor said on Newsnight tonight, this is the only proper | :03:36. | :03:36. | |
referendum. If you believe that, you tonight, this is the only proper | :03:37. | :03:42. | |
will believe anything. I am quite gullible. My moment was the release | :03:43. | :03:49. | |
of the transgender report in Parliament in the week that David | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
Bowie died, 30 years on from the gender politics that he took on, | :03:54. | :03:55. | |
parliament finally catching up. Now, junior doctors went | :03:56. | :03:58. | |
on strike this week, downing stethoscopes | :03:59. | :04:00. | |
for the first time in 40 years. The dispute centres on a proposed | :04:01. | :04:02. | |
new contract for medics and a further two strikes | :04:03. | :04:04. | |
are planned, with the final due Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt says | :04:05. | :04:07. | |
he wants a seven-day NHS. The doctors claim it's about making | :04:08. | :04:12. | |
them work more unsafe hours The details have left many people | :04:13. | :04:16. | |
more baffled than Diane Abbott after 45 minutes | :04:17. | :04:24. | |
on the This Week sofa. So here to give us his diagnosis | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
Great British Bake Off finalist, and junior doctor, Tamal Ray, | :04:30. | :04:30. | |
with his take of the week. I can't get blood pressure | :04:31. | :04:35. | |
on him, there are no SATS. He's lost loads of blood, | :04:36. | :04:38. | |
we need to get an ABG. We need to bring him | :04:39. | :04:42. | |
round for a scan. Time is running out | :04:43. | :04:45. | |
for this guy, but It's because I love our health care | :04:46. | :04:47. | |
service, that as junior doctor, The government, playing on public | :04:48. | :04:53. | |
fears of understaffing, claims it wants to | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
have a seven-day NHS. The NHS already offers free, | :04:59. | :05:02. | |
world-class emergency care, Sure, if you want elective surgery, | :05:03. | :05:11. | |
a butterfly in your stomach removed on a Sunday lunchtime, | :05:12. | :05:18. | |
you might have to wait a bit. But if you have a medical | :05:19. | :05:23. | |
emergency, you will always We would love to provide a seven-day | :05:24. | :05:25. | |
elective service as well, but to do so would require a 40% | :05:26. | :05:31. | |
increase in staffing and resources. Where is the money for that | :05:32. | :05:34. | |
going to come from? Also, we are in danger | :05:35. | :05:37. | |
of doctors having much more than shaky hands | :05:38. | :05:39. | |
if the government succeeds in removing financial | :05:40. | :05:41. | |
penalties for hospitals that force doctors | :05:42. | :05:43. | |
to work unsafe rotas. These penalties are a vital | :05:44. | :05:46. | |
protection against unsafe hours. Reclassifying normal working hours, | :05:47. | :05:51. | |
to include 7am-10 PM on Saturday, could see us working every | :05:52. | :05:57. | |
Saturday of the year. That means never getting | :05:58. | :05:57. | |
a weekend to see our family We might be doctors, | :05:58. | :05:59. | |
but we are just ordinary people who want the same thing | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
as everybody else. Everybody has a breaking point, | :06:04. | :06:05. | |
and I feel like this contract The government say this | :06:06. | :06:08. | |
is all about doctors being greedy It's about protecting a national | :06:09. | :06:17. | |
institution and making There has been a lot of spin, | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
but I think this is all about cutting costs in the NHS | :06:22. | :06:28. | |
to make it easier for private In which case, it will be | :06:29. | :06:30. | |
the patients who lose out. From the operating table | :06:31. | :06:38. | |
to our own little half-baked operation here in Westminster, | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
Dr Tamal Ray joins us now. Welcome to the programme. What did | :06:43. | :06:53. | |
the strike on Tuesday achieved? I hope it achieved getting the public | :06:54. | :06:57. | |
to be exactly aware of what we are striking about. I hope it will bring | :06:58. | :07:03. | |
the government to the table and bring about more meaningful | :07:04. | :07:05. | |
negotiations than the one we've had up until this point. Do you think | :07:06. | :07:10. | |
that would happen before the next strike which is a couple of weeks | :07:11. | :07:17. | |
away? I hope so, a couple of weeks is quite a long time. I'm been told | :07:18. | :07:19. | |
that progress was made in the talks over Christmas. Are the doctors | :07:20. | :07:27. | |
right to strike, Jess? If I was a doctor at the moment I would | :07:28. | :07:31. | |
definitely go and strike. I think the government has utterly failed in | :07:32. | :07:35. | |
negotiations. They pushed for the negotiations, sat around the table, | :07:36. | :07:39. | |
and Jeremy Hunt completely failed to get to a reasonable agreement with | :07:40. | :07:42. | |
them. I think they are right to strike. Should it have aimed for | :07:43. | :07:48. | |
what it wants to achieve in the first place? Should it be trying | :07:49. | :07:52. | |
what it wants to achieve in the get more than just emergency cover | :07:53. | :07:56. | |
at weekends? I think it's a total myth that the NHS doesn't operate 24 | :07:57. | :08:01. | |
hours per day. Both my children were born at two o'clock in the morning, | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
there were doctors and nurses there. We know that, there is always | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
emergency cover at weekends and some elective cover as well. But the | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
government's aim was to have more, to make it a seven-day pearl week | :08:15. | :08:25. | |
operation. It's about priorities. It will take more money if that's what | :08:26. | :08:26. | |
they want to do. That's fine if that is the priority, but it will take a | :08:27. | :08:29. | |
huge amount of money to cover the staffing instead of knocking junior | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
doctors, and the nurses down the line. There are other huge problems | :08:34. | :08:38. | |
in the NHS they are not dealing with. This election pledge...? The | :08:39. | :08:45. | |
government is right and the doctors are completely wrong. You are more | :08:46. | :08:53. | |
likely to die if you are admitted to emergency over the weekend and that | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
is intolerable in the 21st century. Doctors ought to be more keen, | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
because they have supposedly taken me Hippocratic oath. Supposedly | :09:02. | :09:05. | |
their biggest concern in the world is the safety of patients. Most of | :09:06. | :09:13. | |
the issues in the negotiations have been settled. It isn't the | :09:14. | :09:17. | |
government the negotiating table, it's the junior doctors who have not | :09:18. | :09:20. | |
shown up. There has been a pay rise in the basic pay for doctors, and | :09:21. | :09:24. | |
shown up. There has been a pay rise doctors should be available seven | :09:25. | :09:25. | |
days per week. There's nothing puzzling about this, it doesn't mean | :09:26. | :09:34. | |
working Saturday over the year. Lots of people work seven days per week, | :09:35. | :09:38. | |
it doesn't mean they work every Saturday or Sunday, but sensible | :09:39. | :09:41. | |
arrangements are made so a plane is likely to be flown safely at the | :09:42. | :09:48. | |
weekend that any other day. The current contract we have at the | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
moment provides for us the current contract at the moment provides for | :09:53. | :09:58. | |
others to allow emergency care at the weekend. You're talking about | :09:59. | :10:04. | |
providing health care in elective services over the weekend. It's a | :10:05. | :10:08. | |
fantastic game, and we would embrace that as a profession, but if you | :10:09. | :10:15. | |
want to provide that you have to have the personnel and resources to | :10:16. | :10:19. | |
do it. We need doctors, nurses, physios, all the other people as | :10:20. | :10:24. | |
well. We also need social care that can discharge all these people at | :10:25. | :10:27. | |
the weekend. You could have 20 doctors to every patient in a | :10:28. | :10:34. | |
hospital but without... How has the striking helped to achieve this? The | :10:35. | :10:38. | |
negotiation was continuing and most of the points have been settled. | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
It's all good enough saying this without going into elective care. We | :10:44. | :10:48. | |
have 11,000 extra deaths at the weekend. Elective care is routine | :10:49. | :10:53. | |
knee operations, that will not stop people buying at the weekend. I | :10:54. | :10:59. | |
understand that, but you should be standing up to the government and | :11:00. | :11:01. | |
wanting to get rid of this higher chance of dying at the weekend. What | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
are you basing this higher chance of dying at the weekend? The figures | :11:07. | :11:11. | |
are disputed. The authors of that paper and the BMA... That's the | :11:12. | :11:18. | |
11,000 figures Jeremy Hunt has been using. It's a misinterpretation of | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
the figure, the statistics. The paper showed that patients admitted | :11:23. | :11:29. | |
Friday to Monday, within 30 days of their stay at a slightly increased | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
rate of mortality, but the authors of the paper said it would be rash | :11:35. | :11:36. | |
to conclude this was because of staffing. They said it's something | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
that should be looked into, but no conclusions could be made. There is | :11:42. | :11:44. | |
no paper that says the lack of doctors at the weekend is a cause of | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
increased mortality at the weekend. We need to do more research to look | :11:49. | :11:54. | |
into this, but to base these contract reforms on a | :11:55. | :11:56. | |
misinterpretation of the paper is wrong. I thought that what is | :11:57. | :12:03. | |
misinterpretation of the paper is we were basing these reforms on. | :12:04. | :12:05. | |
Jeremy Hunt is. When the government is trying to put patient safety | :12:06. | :12:08. | |
first, how are you improving patient safety by going on strike? I want to | :12:09. | :12:18. | |
ask you a question now. There is a general acceptance that if the NHS | :12:19. | :12:24. | |
could do it, care should be seen over seven days, many services are | :12:25. | :12:29. | |
now seamless. Going back to our guest's point, I don't see how you | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
can do that, provide the same care at the weekend as you do in the | :12:34. | :12:38. | |
week, without an increase in resources. Inevitably it would take | :12:39. | :12:44. | |
more money. He's already having to work hard enough during the week. If | :12:45. | :12:50. | |
he spread more evenly over seven days, it will hit the week. You need | :12:51. | :12:55. | |
more doctors and more money. The government started by offering an | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
11% rise in basic pay. For extra hours each day, the rate goes up for | :13:00. | :13:03. | |
time and a half. On Sundays the rate goes up again. The overall page | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
doesn't change. Many people watching this programme will say, I wouldn't | :13:09. | :13:13. | |
mind getting time and a half at the weekend or for extra hours at the | :13:14. | :13:16. | |
end of the day. I think what will happen as a result of this is that | :13:17. | :13:26. | |
the junior doctors will end happen as a result of this is that | :13:27. | :13:27. | |
or a set of people that were once regarded as professionals, with very | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
high esteem among the public, but because they take industrial action, | :13:32. | :13:38. | |
they lose their rationalism and esteem. Professionals do not go on | :13:39. | :13:52. | |
strike, it defines a professional. You bulk at the idea it's about | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
patient safety, but it really is. When we went on strike this week we | :13:57. | :14:00. | |
still provided emergency care. Allsorts of headlines about this | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
being an issue of patient safety, but the emergency care we provide is | :14:05. | :14:14. | |
the same as every bank holiday. No patients | :14:15. | :14:14. | |
the same as every bank holiday. No third strike you would not, are you | :14:15. | :14:16. | |
more nervous about that? We would still have extra consultants being | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
drafted in to provide that care. Even though junior doctors might | :14:21. | :14:23. | |
provide a full walk-out, there would still be experienced clinicians | :14:24. | :14:28. | |
providing that care. Do you think any patient would be at risk? I | :14:29. | :14:33. | |
don't think they would be. Even with withdrawal of emergency cover? | :14:34. | :14:37. | |
Withdrawal of emergency cover by junior doctors at consultants will | :14:38. | :14:39. | |
still be there. I have people in my constituency | :14:40. | :14:52. | |
waiting two-and-a-half years For appointments. Jeremy Hunt is the | :14:53. | :14:57. | |
first person we should be taking on, not hard-working doctors in the | :14:58. | :15:00. | |
hospital. We fought an election in this. They didn't mention the | :15:01. | :15:04. | |
two-and-a-half year waiting list for kids trying to commit suicide. Your | :15:05. | :15:08. | |
party didn't have resources for the National Health Service. They did. | :15:09. | :15:14. | |
All of them did. It's talking about spreading the existing resours out | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
more thinly across the week. We are already struggling to provide the | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
five-day service, the full service, elected service during the week. We | :15:24. | :15:28. | |
are not going to be able to provide a better service over the weekend if | :15:29. | :15:32. | |
that service is spread more thinly. In terms of patient safety, this is | :15:33. | :15:38. | |
not just about a contract, it's about protecting the NHS for future | :15:39. | :15:40. | |
generations. After us, the reason why the junior doctors have received | :15:41. | :15:47. | |
such unanimous support, ODPs, consultants GPs, nurses, they are | :15:48. | :15:51. | |
all on our side in a way I've never seen before since I've been a medic | :15:52. | :15:56. | |
and that's not been seen in decades and that's because people know they | :15:57. | :15:58. | |
are next in the firing line. This contract will be rolled out in some | :15:59. | :16:02. | |
form or another for everyone working in the NHS. It will destroy morale | :16:03. | :16:06. | |
for people already working flat out to keep a system afloat. I think | :16:07. | :16:09. | |
it's going to be a complete disaster. I would love if we could | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
move forward with the Government and have some true reform of the NHS, | :16:14. | :16:19. | |
but this is not the way to go about it. | :16:20. | :16:22. | |
What would true reform be? We need to take this out of Party Politics. | :16:23. | :16:27. | |
I would like to see committees from all political parties together with | :16:28. | :16:31. | |
doctors and relevant workers within the NHS sit down and consider all | :16:32. | :16:35. | |
the options. I'm not saying - we have talked about private health | :16:36. | :16:41. | |
care having a role within the NHS - the NHS has become such a toxic | :16:42. | :16:50. | |
issue. Any time anyone says NHS and reform in the same sentence, we are | :16:51. | :16:52. | |
all there with our pitchforks and it's insane. We need an honest | :16:53. | :16:56. | |
debate about this. Thank you for being part of the debate tonight. | :16:57. | :16:59. | |
Thank you for having me. Now it's late - Ed Miliband | :17:00. | :17:02. | |
thigh tattoo late - so even if your mother doesn't | :17:03. | :17:04. | |
approve, stick with us. Because waiting in the wings, | :17:05. | :17:08. | |
singer and campaigner, Nicola Roberts is here, | :17:09. | :17:10. | |
to make her voice heard on the topic Despite what the BBC | :17:11. | :17:14. | |
would like you to believe, we're still paying absolutely no | :17:15. | :17:19. | |
attention to anything you say on The Twitter, The Fleecebook | :17:20. | :17:23. | |
MySpace Your Space, SnapTalks, Telescope or even our | :17:24. | :17:25. | |
former Great Leader's World Wide Web Now, we enjoy excellent industrial | :17:26. | :17:28. | |
relations here on This Week. For instance, Jess is no trouble | :17:29. | :17:32. | |
at all, one five minute tea break, and a bag of cheesy Quavers | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
on expenses, and she's good-to-go. Well, for a former leading light | :17:37. | :17:39. | |
of the Thatcherite right, he makes Green Room demands | :17:40. | :17:44. | |
that would make a 1970s I mean exactly why is | :17:45. | :17:47. | |
coconut-scented massage oil Anyway with workplace strife | :17:48. | :17:51. | |
all the rage elsewhere, we decided to call up | :17:52. | :17:56. | |
some emergency cover. Here's Sky News' Adam Boulton, | :17:57. | :17:59. | |
with his Round-Up of It's all go here thanks to those | :18:00. | :18:26. | |
junior doctors and their 24-hour strike. Then we've got our own | :18:27. | :18:33. | |
winter crisis on This Week. A shortage of late-night viewers. And | :18:34. | :18:38. | |
those we have got winding up here in the ward comatosed as a result of | :18:39. | :18:41. | |
clunky jokes. Any signs of life, nurse? No, their signs are not | :18:42. | :18:49. | |
looking too clever, doctor. We'd better have a look. Well, not | :18:50. | :18:53. | |
surprisingly, many top consultants at Westminster were expecting the | :18:54. | :18:57. | |
Leader of the Opposition to concentrate on the NHS at PMQs. But | :18:58. | :19:04. | |
Mr Corbyn likes to surprise and instead he zeroed in on the Prime | :19:05. | :19:12. | |
Minister's new plans to bulldoze sink estates. Come on, open up. He | :19:13. | :19:19. | |
hasn't clearly thought this thing through very carefully because every | :19:20. | :19:27. | |
estate that he announces he wishes to bulldoze will include tenants and | :19:28. | :19:31. | |
people that have bought their homes under right-to-buy. Will those | :19:32. | :19:36. | |
people, the lease holders, will they be guaranteed homes on their rebuilt | :19:37. | :19:42. | |
estates that he's proposing to do? Look, of course, I accept this isn't | :19:43. | :19:46. | |
as carefully thought through as his reshuffle. Hm. Well, not very smooth | :19:47. | :19:52. | |
for Jeremy Corbyn. David Cameron walked through that one, but the | :19:53. | :19:59. | |
Leader of the Opposition knows the Government's hardly delivered on | :20:00. | :20:09. | |
their housing promises. How's he doing? The Prime Minister said they | :20:10. | :20:14. | |
can campaign from within the Cabinet against the EU but only once he's | :20:15. | :20:19. | |
reached a deal and that, of course, gives the pro-Europeans massive head | :20:20. | :20:22. | |
starts. The position of the whole Government | :20:23. | :20:26. | |
is that we should renegotiate, hold a referendum and that the best | :20:27. | :20:30. | |
outcome would be to keep Britain in a reformed European Union. That is | :20:31. | :20:34. | |
the position of the Government, so anyone sitting in this chair from my | :20:35. | :20:40. | |
team should be making that argument. Thank you, nurse... | :20:41. | :20:44. | |
First Cabinet Minister out of the traps was Chris Grayling. Senior job | :20:45. | :20:50. | |
leader of the House, but sometimes know as Grey-thing to his | :20:51. | :20:56. | |
non-admirers. He didn't burst a full blood vessel and didn't say Britain | :20:57. | :21:01. | |
should come out come what may, but his critics still weighed in. I | :21:02. | :21:05. | |
don't think Chris is right. I think that there are some myths pedalled | :21:06. | :21:10. | |
in his article. It's a bit surprising he says that where we are | :21:11. | :21:14. | |
is disastrous. # Trust me, trust me | :21:15. | :21:17. | |
# I'm a doctor # I know, I know what I'm doing... # | :21:18. | :21:34. | |
Well, speaking of panning, there were mixed reviews from Kong gross | :21:35. | :21:40. | |
for President Obama's last State of the Union address. Even admitting he | :21:41. | :21:46. | |
didn't have the unifying skills of Franklin Roosevelt, he spent an | :21:47. | :21:50. | |
awful lot of time talking about a certain unnamed Republican candidate | :21:51. | :21:57. | |
to come. When politicians insult Muslims, whether abroad or our | :21:58. | :22:02. | |
fellow citizens, when a mosque is vandalised or a kid is called names, | :22:03. | :22:08. | |
it doesn't make us safer, that's not telling it like it is. It's just | :22:09. | :22:16. | |
wrong. It diminishes us in the eyes of the world. | :22:17. | :22:28. | |
Obama's obviously concerned about his legally and so perhaps is David | :22:29. | :22:35. | |
Cameron beginning to be. Problem is, both face a really chronic crisis. | :22:36. | :22:42. | |
The situation in Syria, even his own backbenchers are worried. And there | :22:43. | :22:47. | |
was a tetchy exchange over the Prime Minister's claim that there are | :22:48. | :22:50. | |
70,000 moderates on the ground in Syria ready to fight IS. Some do | :22:51. | :22:55. | |
belong to Islamist groups and some belong to relatively hard line | :22:56. | :22:59. | |
Islamist groups. They are not all the sort of people you'd bump into | :23:00. | :23:02. | |
at Liberal Democrat Party Conference, correct. In the Middle | :23:03. | :23:05. | |
East, the problems of history keep on coming back to life. Nurse, try | :23:06. | :23:11. | |
and get this lot back to bed. Lower oil prices may be good news at the | :23:12. | :23:16. | |
pumps but they increase economic instability and then there's Iran, | :23:17. | :23:21. | |
taking hostages again, but readmitted to the diplomatic | :23:22. | :23:24. | |
community. # Trust me, trust me | :23:25. | :23:28. | |
# I'm a doctor # Trust me, trust me... # | :23:29. | :23:34. | |
Not another one... At least there was some good news this week. West | :23:35. | :23:42. | |
Africa declared ebola free, but the European Union, the Middle East, the | :23:43. | :23:46. | |
NHS, the housing crisis, are going to be with us for months to come, if | :23:47. | :23:52. | |
not years. Dr Cameron is no Dr Finlay with a cure in every episode. | :23:53. | :24:00. | |
Well, drastic times call for drastic measures. Nurse, marvellous | :24:01. | :24:06. | |
medicine... Dr Adam Boulton on his rounds | :24:07. | :24:17. | |
at Kingston University in London. No patients were in any way helped | :24:18. | :24:20. | |
during the making of that film. Welcome. On Europe, the dice is cast | :24:21. | :24:38. | |
now, the Prime Minister is going to come back with some kind of deal, | :24:39. | :24:42. | |
he's going to back that deal, he's going to campaign to keep us in the | :24:43. | :24:49. | |
European Union and about five or six Cabinet Ministers are going to peel | :24:50. | :24:53. | |
off for the duration of the campaign against, that's what is going to | :24:54. | :24:59. | |
happen, isn't it? Absolutely. And, does it matter for those who want to | :25:00. | :25:03. | |
stay in that five or six Cabinet Ministers are going to campaign | :25:04. | :25:07. | |
against? Is that a game-changer for the referendum? It's not a | :25:08. | :25:12. | |
game-changer. It's obviously very useful to the leave campaign that | :25:13. | :25:16. | |
there'll be six members of the Cabinet or thereabouts campaigning | :25:17. | :25:20. | |
to leave. As I said on the programme last week, obviously the tactic that | :25:21. | :25:25. | |
will be employed by the Government, as always employed in the | :25:26. | :25:31. | |
referendums, is to try toe make the people who don't want to do what the | :25:32. | :25:36. | |
establishment want, so if today's current Cabinet are campaigning to | :25:37. | :25:39. | |
leave, it's harder to describe the leave campaign as a loony or a | :25:40. | :25:42. | |
fringe campaign. Will the Shadow Cabinet be 100% for | :25:43. | :25:46. | |
staying in? Gosh, I don't know who is in it any more, it's hard to keep | :25:47. | :25:51. | |
up. Yes, I think the Labour Party, there's a fringe element in the | :25:52. | :25:54. | |
Labour Party that sort of... The back benches? Yes, they tend to be | :25:55. | :25:58. | |
on the back benches. Maybe not as vehemently as it might have been in | :25:59. | :26:03. | |
the past but it will definitely be an in-campaign. I think it's funny | :26:04. | :26:08. | |
the idea that Michael thinks Cabinet members in this campaign is going to | :26:09. | :26:14. | |
sway the British public. Most people wouldn't know who they were and will | :26:15. | :26:16. | |
base their views on either fear or the fact that you will have to queue | :26:17. | :26:20. | |
longer at customs and won't be able to get net flix when you are in | :26:21. | :26:27. | |
Spain. You can get it now, but you couldn't if we were not in Europe. | :26:28. | :26:31. | |
It's a deal-breaker. How significant if there is a chunk of Conservative | :26:32. | :26:35. | |
Cabinet Ministers joining the outs? It depends who the Conservative | :26:36. | :26:42. | |
Cabinet Ministers are. With all due respect to Chris Grayling and | :26:43. | :26:46. | |
Theresa Villiers, they are not big beasts and one of the problems the | :26:47. | :26:53. | |
leave campaign has at the moment is, it doesn't have a high-profile | :26:54. | :26:54. | |
leader. I don't know if Michael might like the job, but at the | :26:55. | :27:01. | |
moment, David Cameron has taken the sting out of Cabinet Ministers | :27:02. | :27:05. | |
supporting leaving Europe because it's not a martyrdom issue and there | :27:06. | :27:11. | |
isn't a big issue there. If Theresa May were to go across, that could | :27:12. | :27:15. | |
make a difference. No sign of that? No, and if Michael Gove may be about | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
to go across, that might make a difference too. As with Boris | :27:21. | :27:24. | |
Johnson. No sign of that either? No. Therefore, who is going to be the | :27:25. | :27:29. | |
leader? Is it going to be Nigel Farage by default? We all know about | :27:30. | :27:35. | |
Nigel Farage but he's not a senior reassuring Government figure if | :27:36. | :27:38. | |
nothing else so that I think is what David Cameron's managed to do. What | :27:39. | :27:43. | |
he's also done is talked up the idea of opportunism saying, well if you | :27:44. | :27:46. | |
want to oppose Europe on principle, do it now, come out and I can | :27:47. | :27:51. | |
respect that. If you are doing it to be opportunistic, this is what he | :27:52. | :27:54. | |
said in his memo, I won't tolerate that. That therefore means that | :27:55. | :27:59. | |
those people who maybe are thinking it might be unfair advantage to back | :28:00. | :28:11. | |
a winning no-campaign, have to be pretty sure they are going to win | :28:12. | :28:12. | |
and that's not how they feel at the moment. I don't entirely agree. They | :28:13. | :28:12. | |
don't have the option to come out because the Prime Minister's said | :28:13. | :28:15. | |
no-one can come out. Chris Grayling... Sorry, no-one can come | :28:16. | :28:20. | |
out in their true colours about wanting to leave until the | :28:21. | :28:23. | |
negotiation's been completed so. There is no reason why Michael glove | :28:24. | :28:27. | |
or Theresa May or anyone else should declare their position. It's also | :28:28. | :28:32. | |
about the nature of the next leadership campaign in the | :28:33. | :28:35. | |
Conservative Party and it may be the calculation of one or two people | :28:36. | :28:41. | |
that the next leadership campaign will have a pro-Europe candidate | :28:42. | :28:44. | |
who'll be George Osborne and there may be an anti-Europe candidate and | :28:45. | :28:49. | |
the anti-Europe candidate may be well placed by being an anti-Europe | :28:50. | :28:53. | |
candidate. It's really great that the future of our nation depends on | :28:54. | :28:59. | |
Tory membership and whether they don't like croissants... I've heard | :29:00. | :29:05. | |
many Tories making this argument, and we know activist Tory membership | :29:06. | :29:09. | |
seems to be about 75% against Europe. What you are hypothecating | :29:10. | :29:16. | |
on is that the country as a whole, deciding it wants to stay in, then | :29:17. | :29:20. | |
the Tory party saying they are going to carry on arguing about this and I | :29:21. | :29:24. | |
don't think there's public appetite for that at all. I think probably | :29:25. | :29:26. | |
Conservative member also say yes, now is the time to unite and | :29:27. | :29:32. | |
therefore, where people stood in the referendum campaign assuming there's | :29:33. | :29:35. | |
a yes vote, will be quietly forgotten. That is possible, but | :29:36. | :29:38. | |
that is the calculation people will be making at the moment. Although | :29:39. | :29:43. | |
what you say is possible, it ain't necessarily so. I mean, it's quite | :29:44. | :29:48. | |
hard to imagine that when this referendum is over, the Conservative | :29:49. | :29:51. | |
Party is simply going to say... Never mind... That's all right then. | :29:52. | :29:58. | |
Really, don't you think people are yearning for that. They have been | :29:59. | :30:00. | |
going on about Europe for 40 years, they are not going to stop now. Your | :30:01. | :30:05. | |
party used to go on about Europe a lot? We go on about other stuff now! | :30:06. | :30:13. | |
I'll come on to that in a minute. 214 out of 232. It's perfectly true | :30:14. | :30:19. | |
the referendum is really only about the Conservative Party but I think | :30:20. | :30:22. | |
increasingly there'll be a feeling that the thing has not been very | :30:23. | :30:26. | |
fairly played. I think that's going to be the problem, there'll be a | :30:27. | :30:31. | |
residue. Will it be June? I think it will be September. September. Won't | :30:32. | :30:39. | |
be able to rush for June? If he goes to June, he'll be riding rough shot | :30:40. | :30:42. | |
over what the Electoral Commission think. June or July interferes with | :30:43. | :30:45. | |
school holidays starting in Scotland. Everyone always says look | :30:46. | :30:50. | |
you can't have another summer of migration then ask people to vote on | :30:51. | :30:54. | |
Europe. I think the two problems are that one we have migration anyway. | :30:55. | :31:00. | |
Would another summer change it that much? And two is it going to be the | :31:01. | :31:04. | |
same, I don't think so. Europe is behaving differently. History won't | :31:05. | :31:08. | |
repeat itself year on year in exactly the same way. If he tries to | :31:09. | :31:15. | |
rush it through, should Labour help him? | :31:16. | :31:22. | |
I don't think David Cameron really cares. A lot of Tory Eurosceptics | :31:23. | :31:29. | |
will not want to rush it through. He might need Labour votes. They could | :31:30. | :31:34. | |
be pivotal in this. The Scottish Nationalists have said they want | :31:35. | :31:37. | |
help to get it through. A year ago I would say I wanted as quick as | :31:38. | :31:44. | |
possible. But September is a fair amount of time. Ken Livingstone | :31:45. | :31:49. | |
seems to think you could have a new position on Trident within 8-10 | :31:50. | :31:53. | |
weeks. I don't know what it's got to do with Ken Livingstone. He's | :31:54. | :32:01. | |
running the review. It's a shame. He now has a Shadow Defence Secretary | :32:02. | :32:04. | |
who agrees with him, as well as the leader. Ken Livingstone can't change | :32:05. | :32:09. | |
the rules of the Labour Party, and we cannot change the rules until | :32:10. | :32:13. | |
Conference, which will not be until September. Doesn't matter what Ken | :32:14. | :32:16. | |
Livingstone says on the news. We have the rule. What about the move | :32:17. | :32:21. | |
to have the NEC having much more power when it comes to determining | :32:22. | :32:26. | |
policy. It still has to go to Conference, which isn't until | :32:27. | :32:30. | |
September. They can't just decree to have more power. It's amazing how | :32:31. | :32:34. | |
these are crepes are not turning into Democrats, saying they want | :32:35. | :32:38. | |
centralised power. -- it's amazing how these Democrats. I would really | :32:39. | :32:46. | |
like to have a go at being on the panel that manages the Labour Party. | :32:47. | :32:50. | |
Not for all the delightful reasons I'm sure many people think, but I | :32:51. | :32:51. | |
think we need to be more I'm sure many people think, but I | :32:52. | :32:56. | |
campaigning force and to reconnect I'm sure many people think, but I | :32:57. | :32:58. | |
in a way where we have obviously failed to do. I think I could help | :32:59. | :33:04. | |
them with that. What do you think about the Guardian newspaper survey | :33:05. | :33:10. | |
which shows that the membership, as opposed to the Parliamentary party, | :33:11. | :33:17. | |
they are increasingly as his as Tikva Mr Corbyn. No surprise that is | :33:18. | :33:22. | |
a news story, it's obvious. The membership is for Jeremy Corbyn, | :33:23. | :33:27. | |
there's no two ways about it. He is the leader for the foreseeable | :33:28. | :33:32. | |
future. Definitely. What do you make of the direction of travel? I | :33:33. | :33:36. | |
thought the Labour Party made a serious decision in September and it | :33:37. | :33:40. | |
will be followed through. We are seeing the party reinvent itself and | :33:41. | :33:43. | |
I think more than half the members are new members as opposed to old | :33:44. | :33:49. | |
members, and they support Jeremy Corbyn and his particular approach, | :33:50. | :33:51. | |
and I think it will be tested all the way through until 2020. What | :33:52. | :33:56. | |
they do about nuclear weapons, it's like the Tories on Europe, they will | :33:57. | :34:00. | |
have to have a free vote effectively. What Mr Corbyn will try | :34:01. | :34:04. | |
to do with his supporters, like Ken Livingstone, he will try to get as | :34:05. | :34:10. | |
many MPs as possible shifting to an anti-position, knowing the party is | :34:11. | :34:15. | |
following behind. Then he is aiming for the party Conference where he | :34:16. | :34:19. | |
wants to change the Labour Party position and go into the next | :34:20. | :34:22. | |
election with a unilateral position. The problem is, it hasn't won in the | :34:23. | :34:24. | |
past. We will wait and see. Adam, The problem is, it hasn't won in the | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
thank you for being with us. Now, Jeremy Corbyn's Twitter account | :34:30. | :34:31. | |
was 'hacked' earlier this week causing untold stress | :34:32. | :34:33. | |
in the leader's bunker. Would the prankster choose | :34:34. | :34:35. | |
to misrepresent the 'new politics'? Twist the leader's words, | :34:36. | :34:37. | |
undermine his position, make a mockery of his | :34:38. | :34:39. | |
plans for the party? In the event Jezza needn't have | :34:40. | :34:41. | |
worried, when the hacker posted a short, but highly accurate, | :34:42. | :34:44. | |
tweet that went like this. Proving that you don't actually need | :34:45. | :34:51. | |
140 characters to summarise the Labour leader's current | :34:52. | :34:55. | |
thinking on defence. But which also means | :34:56. | :34:57. | |
there are people out there with genuine worries | :34:58. | :34:59. | |
and that's why we've decided to get serious, and put good mental | :35:00. | :35:01. | |
health in this week's Spotlight. # Bet that you think | :35:02. | :35:08. | |
that you're on your own. # And you've no one's | :35:09. | :35:11. | |
hand to hold...# She's known for speaking her mind | :35:12. | :35:14. | |
on mental health issues, so was singer Nicola | :35:15. | :35:17. | |
Roberts pleased by David The Prime Minister says mental | :35:18. | :35:20. | |
health is a government priority We need to take away that shame, | :35:21. | :35:28. | |
that embarrassment. Let people know that they | :35:29. | :35:31. | |
are not in this alone. They say he's the first | :35:32. | :35:33. | |
Prime Minister to raise the issue But for those who claim services | :35:34. | :35:36. | |
have been cut while demand has soared, is it still a case | :35:37. | :35:41. | |
of the January Blues? There might be funding | :35:42. | :35:45. | |
for new mums and for those with eating disorders, | :35:46. | :35:48. | |
but with suicide the top cause are the chaps getting a fair | :35:49. | :35:51. | |
share? Thanks to a Twitter campaign, | :35:52. | :35:56. | |
Johnny Benjamin traced the man who stopped him from jumping off | :35:57. | :35:59. | |
a bridge, and now the pair have launched their own mental health | :36:00. | :36:02. | |
workshops in schools. There is an online petition | :36:03. | :36:09. | |
underway to change the national curriculum too, | :36:10. | :36:10. | |
so when the NHS is in a funk, maybe education is | :36:11. | :36:13. | |
the key to sound minds. For Nicola Roberts, | :36:14. | :36:18. | |
prevention is the best cure. And when it comes to talking | :36:19. | :36:21. | |
about psychological issues in the classrooms, it's | :36:22. | :36:26. | |
certainly boys allowed too. But the question remains, | :36:27. | :36:28. | |
will mental and physical health care ever be | :36:29. | :36:32. | |
thought of equally? Nicola Roberts singing, and she | :36:33. | :36:46. | |
joins us now. Welcome to the programme. Why has good mental | :36:47. | :36:50. | |
health care become a personal issue for you? I have actually seen | :36:51. | :36:57. | |
clinical depression on a first-hand basis. When I was younger, someone | :36:58. | :37:02. | |
very close to me was suffering from it, and it's a very ugly, monstrous | :37:03. | :37:07. | |
thing, not only for the person dealing with it, but the family | :37:08. | :37:18. | |
witnessing it. Now I work a lot with Barnardos, and it's important for | :37:19. | :37:23. | |
them, different things children and young people go through, they might | :37:24. | :37:27. | |
be victims of sexual exploitation, they might come from families of | :37:28. | :37:31. | |
substance abuse, and the children are generally in despair. I think | :37:32. | :37:39. | |
mental health in general, it's so massive, so huge here. Everywhere. I | :37:40. | :37:46. | |
feel like with Barnardos I would like to see within schools, they | :37:47. | :37:52. | |
become more of a life topic, so we talk about what is a healthy | :37:53. | :37:58. | |
relationship. We can talk about sexual exploitation and sexual | :37:59. | :38:04. | |
education topics. We can teach people about the fact we are all | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
wired completely different. Everybody has a different brain and | :38:10. | :38:12. | |
we all react to different things differently. We all have different | :38:13. | :38:16. | |
sensitivities and pain thresholds. I feel like if we were taught more | :38:17. | :38:26. | |
about the brain. You don't think we do enough for mental health care? | :38:27. | :38:32. | |
Not at all. What are the particular problems we are not dealing enough | :38:33. | :38:37. | |
with? People don't understand the way they are feeling. People don't | :38:38. | :38:41. | |
understand the way other people are feeling. I feel like if it was | :38:42. | :38:46. | |
talked about and understood more, there would be less bullying, more | :38:47. | :38:50. | |
understanding in the world as a whole. We would be looking at each | :38:51. | :38:58. | |
other as human beings who are all different and not categorising | :38:59. | :39:03. | |
people. So it's a matter, not so much of resources, but reaching out. | :39:04. | :39:07. | |
It is resources, because the training has to be there, the | :39:08. | :39:11. | |
funding for the training has to be there. The teachers. Jess, you have | :39:12. | :39:18. | |
been involved in this. I have, I worked for many years with children | :39:19. | :39:23. | |
who were sexually exploited, women who had been, and men, involved in | :39:24. | :39:31. | |
domestic violence. The strain on the mental health service, in a | :39:32. | :39:40. | |
five-year period at Refuge, we saw an enormous increase in people who | :39:41. | :39:42. | |
had attempted suicide and self harmed because services were | :39:43. | :39:46. | |
shutting. The cuts come in and the crisis comes in. All we do in this | :39:47. | :39:51. | |
country is talk about crisis care, but we never talk about prevention, | :39:52. | :39:55. | |
we never try to stop somebody before they accelerate to a dangerous | :39:56. | :39:59. | |
level. It doesn't make sense, we have society moving to a pressure | :40:00. | :40:05. | |
cooker, with social media, celebrity obsessed. I feel like the resources | :40:06. | :40:13. | |
cooker, with social media, celebrity are getting smaller. The problem is | :40:14. | :40:17. | |
getting bigger, it's not balanced. Our people listening to you? It's | :40:18. | :40:22. | |
something I've only just started to talk seriously with Barnardos about. | :40:23. | :40:26. | |
I learned from the producer outside just now that there is a petition | :40:27. | :40:39. | |
online. Nicky Morgan repeatedly says no to PHSE being compulsory in | :40:40. | :40:44. | |
primary and secondary school, despite evidence to the contrary. If | :40:45. | :40:50. | |
it gets 100,000 signatures it could be debated in Parliament. I think I | :40:51. | :40:55. | |
bring it up almost every day. Nicky Morgan is sick of me asking the | :40:56. | :41:00. | |
question. Is the idea that mental health in schools is treated the | :41:01. | :41:05. | |
same way as sexual health? Healthy relationships and how we deal with | :41:06. | :41:08. | |
young children who have complex needs, substance misuse at home, the | :41:09. | :41:17. | |
toxic trio is what it's called that schools, it's the issue. At the | :41:18. | :41:19. | |
moment, good schools are doing brilliant work, like the two young | :41:20. | :41:25. | |
men on the video. But you don't have to do it. Lots of schools are not | :41:26. | :41:30. | |
well enough resourced. It has to be done. A lot of people are saying, | :41:31. | :41:41. | |
they don't want their child is subject to such information at a | :41:42. | :41:46. | |
young age because they feel it's not relevant to their child. But it can | :41:47. | :41:47. | |
be happening anywhere, you don't have to be in a big city. Your | :41:48. | :41:52. | |
15-year-old daughter will be on social media. That leaves them | :41:53. | :41:59. | |
exposed? Yes. A quick thought from Michael? We go back to the Prime | :42:00. | :42:06. | |
Minister who raised the subject. I think mental health is substantially | :42:07. | :42:09. | |
under resourced, but I do not see any sign from any political party | :42:10. | :42:12. | |
that this will change. We discussed the junior doctors earlier, talking | :42:13. | :42:17. | |
about redistributing resources to have doctors working around the | :42:18. | :42:22. | |
clock. Nobody is saying we will cut down on Social Security, overseas | :42:23. | :42:25. | |
aid, education, to move money to mental health. I would say that. We | :42:26. | :42:32. | |
continue to run the highest deficit in the European Union. It's a | :42:33. | :42:38. | |
campaign that your front, thank you for being with us tonight. | :42:39. | :42:45. | |
But not for us because it's flood defence night at Lou Lou's | :42:46. | :42:49. | |
which probably means it's been cancelled. | :42:50. | :42:51. | |
So we leave you tonight with Sir Philip Dilley, | :42:52. | :42:53. | |
the now-former ?100,000 a year, three-day-a-week Chairman | :42:54. | :42:54. | |
When thousands of homes were under water over Christmas, | :42:55. | :42:59. | |
A statement was issued claiming he was at home with his family, | :43:00. | :43:02. | |
failing to mention that the home in question was his holiday | :43:03. | :43:05. | |
A statement was then made explaining that he had family ties to Barbados, | :43:06. | :43:09. | |
failing to mention that his wife was actually from Jamaica, | :43:10. | :43:11. | |
Despite walking off from his job in an almighty huff this week, | :43:12. | :43:19. | |
we think old Phil Dilley-Dallay on the Way has been unfairly | :43:20. | :43:22. | |
After all, as these harrowing pictures prove, the water was gently | :43:23. | :43:26. | |
Nighty night, don't let Rihanna's beach umbrella bite. | :43:27. | :43:32. | |
# When the sun shines, we'll shine together | :43:33. | :43:35. | |
# Took an oath, I'mma stick it out til the end | :43:36. | :43:43. | |
# Now that it's raining more than ever | :43:44. | :43:45. | |
# Know that we'll still have each other | :43:46. | :43:49. |