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Evenin' all, welcome to This Week and to the final time that we'll be | :00:18. | :00:31. | |
Welcome to the 189th edivision of the Eurovision Song Contest | :00:32. | :00:37. | |
broadcast from Bognor Regis. They have been watching Eurovision on the | :00:38. | :00:45. | |
BBC since The BBC was invented. Big Beeb fan Richard Wilson thinks any | :00:46. | :00:49. | |
government shake-up shouldn't be in the corporation's Waterloo. I love | :00:50. | :00:53. | |
the BBC and would march in the streets to defend it. | :00:54. | :01:00. | |
# Like a puppet on a string... # Old foe Kevin Maguire will be | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
performing, making your mind up. Can he do it for his country this year | :01:05. | :01:12. | |
or will it be nil point once again. Only six weeks until making your | :01:13. | :01:17. | |
mind up and on the campaign trail, two groups singing different tunes. | :01:18. | :01:22. | |
Kevin might have bombed a little bit there. Only one thing has been going | :01:23. | :01:30. | |
longer than Eurovision. I'm hoping Annie Nightingale is saving all her | :01:31. | :01:36. | |
kisses for me. If you witness as many Eurovision Song Contests as I | :01:37. | :01:39. | |
have, you will know that the Swedes put on a banging show. Here at this | :01:40. | :01:48. | |
week, I'm with a bunch of turn ins. The audience is going wild for | :01:49. | :01:54. | |
Annie. -- turnips. Where are all the stars going? Watch out, here we are, | :01:55. | :02:00. | |
we are in, put your feet up, we are in for a long night! | :02:01. | :02:17. | |
Evenin' all, welcome to This Week and to the final time that we'll be | :02:18. | :02:21. | |
Because, now that the Government is taking over BBC scheduling | :02:22. | :02:29. | |
to ensure that never again do ITV's most popular shows have to face | :02:30. | :02:32. | |
head-to-head competition from the BBC's top-rated programmes, | :02:33. | :02:37. | |
I'm delighted to report that as of next weekend we're moving | :02:38. | :02:40. | |
to 8pm on a Saturday night, with the explicit remit | :02:41. | :02:44. | |
of not giving the X-Factor a run for its money. | :02:45. | :02:47. | |
I understand it was a toss up between us and Newsnight, | :02:48. | :02:50. | |
with the Director-General narrowly deciding in This Week's favour, | :02:51. | :02:54. | |
as likely to do even worse than Newsnight in prime time. | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
In keeping with this novel approach to scheduling, | :02:59. | :03:01. | |
the Daily Politics will replace EastEnders every night at 7.30 | :03:02. | :03:04. | |
and EastEnders will move to the Parliament Channel | :03:05. | :03:10. | |
where it can do ITV no harm but will raise the level | :03:11. | :03:13. | |
A double whammy for public-service broadcasting at its finest. | :03:14. | :03:20. | |
I know some of you night owls out there will be disappointed | :03:21. | :03:24. | |
by our move to prime time but, frankly, the way they kept putting | :03:25. | :03:27. | |
us on later and later, by Christmas we'd have been | :03:28. | :03:29. | |
Speaking of the sort of distinctive content that would satisfy | :03:30. | :03:34. | |
I'm joined on the sofa tonight by the kind of talent no commercial | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
broadcaster would ever dream of putting on-screen. | :03:40. | :03:41. | |
Think of them as the Strictly Come Dancing and the Strictly Forbidden | :03:42. | :03:44. | |
I speak, of course of #manontheleft, Alan 'AJ' Johnson. | :03:45. | :03:50. | |
And, abiding by the strict This Week dress code, #sadmaninhighheels, | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
Your moment of the week? As part of project fear, George Osborne told us | :03:55. | :04:12. | |
that were we to leave the Ieuan, house prices would fall. You would | :04:13. | :04:19. | |
have to be Chancellor of the Exchequer -- leave the European | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
Union. If house prices were to fall, millions of people at the moment | :04:25. | :04:27. | |
have no chance of getting on the property ladder. They wouldn't be | :04:28. | :04:31. | |
able to get on the property ladder and only a Chancellor of the | :04:32. | :04:34. | |
Exchequer only interested in talking to old people in the have variety | :04:35. | :04:37. | |
rather than the have notes would believe this is a disadvantage. | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
Let's take George at his word for a moment. If we leave, the property | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
prices will fall and we'll have much more social equality than before. | :04:46. | :04:51. | |
Interesting. Alan? I think it's been Sadiq Khan's week and what impressed | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
me most I think, a class political act is what he did on Sunday to go | :04:56. | :05:01. | |
to the Holocaust memorial. Yes. When you've got all the kind of division | :05:02. | :05:06. | |
and ignorance that we've heard from Donald Trump and we have had our own | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
problems in the Labour Party, in one fell swoop, that action on Sunday | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
deeply appreciated by the Jewish community. Really happy to see that. | :05:16. | :05:22. | |
The first Muslim London Mayor and he goes to the Holocaust memorial, a | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
very classy move. Very good. Two good moments. Can't remember when | :05:27. | :05:31. | |
that last happened! Nor can we. Maybe our move to prime time will be | :05:32. | :05:33. | |
a success! Now, with such world class public | :05:34. | :05:35. | |
service broadcasting under its belt as Michael Portillo rapping along | :05:36. | :05:38. | |
to NWA and former Home Secretary Jacqui Smith breaking it down big | :05:39. | :05:41. | |
fish little fish style - and that's just on This Week - | :05:42. | :05:44. | |
surely there can be no doubt about the place of the BBC | :05:45. | :05:48. | |
in British society. But that didn't stop a procession | :05:49. | :05:51. | |
of luvvies turning last Sunday's Baftas into something more | :05:52. | :05:54. | |
akin to a North Korean Communist Party rally as they grand-standed | :05:55. | :05:57. | |
to a series of "spontaneous" rapturous ovations from | :05:58. | :06:00. | |
the faithful, warning of the imminent doom that | :06:01. | :06:02. | |
was to be the BBC White Paper. Except that it turned out to be | :06:03. | :06:07. | |
a bit of damp squib, with the licence fee index-linked | :06:08. | :06:10. | |
for at least five years So is it trebles all | :06:11. | :06:13. | |
round at Broadcasting House? Here's actor Richard Wilson | :06:14. | :06:20. | |
with his take of the week. # They say I might as well face | :06:21. | :06:29. | |
the truth # That I am just too long in the | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
tooth # That I am just too long in the | :06:35. | :06:38. | |
# I've started to deteriorate # And now I'm past my own sell by | :06:39. | :06:41. | |
date # Oh, I am no spring | :06:42. | :06:44. | |
chicken, it's true # I have to pop my teeth | :06:45. | :06:46. | |
in to chew # And my old knees have started to | :06:47. | :06:49. | |
knock... # I've just got too many miles | :06:50. | :06:51. | |
on the clock # So I'm a wrinkly, crinkly, set in | :06:52. | :06:56. | |
my ways... Decrepit, slow, creaky, | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
some people might think of the BBC It's been around for | :07:01. | :07:06. | |
almost a century now. Despite governments' various | :07:07. | :07:14. | |
attempts to try and clip its wings, I don't think it's got one foot | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
in the grave just yet. The White Paper announced today may | :07:19. | :07:25. | |
have headed off some of the immediate fears, | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
but I think we have conflict between the right and left | :07:30. | :07:32. | |
of the Tory party to thank for that, rather than a sudden spring of love | :07:33. | :07:38. | |
for Auntie by the Culture Secretary. Any Culture Secretary forced | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
to admit he had no wish to hobble And I, for one, am prepared to march | :07:43. | :07:53. | |
in the street to defend it The brilliance of the BBC | :07:54. | :08:01. | |
is recognised not just We only have to look at the clean | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
sweep of the BAFTAs to see that. Its brilliance lies | :08:07. | :08:14. | |
in its impartiality, And it seems to me that | :08:15. | :08:21. | |
Whittingdale's proposals still do a pretty good job | :08:22. | :08:29. | |
of undermining that. Forced to open its books | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
to a Government watchdog. The Government has powers | :08:34. | :08:37. | |
to appoint its stooges Perhaps not as sweet | :08:38. | :08:40. | |
a deal as it first seemed. And what will happen when the 11 | :08:41. | :08:50. | |
years of the licence And I'm concerned the BBC might now | :08:51. | :08:52. | |
become more hare than tortoise, abandoning its wisdom to compete | :08:53. | :09:03. | |
with the commercial The Corporation should stick | :09:04. | :09:08. | |
to what it's good at, So what do you think, Jeremy, | :09:09. | :09:14. | |
still time to make the placards? And from a sunny afternoon | :09:15. | :09:22. | |
in the garden to raking the conversational muck | :09:23. | :09:29. | |
here on This Week, Richard Welcome. Richard, a licence fee for | :09:30. | :09:49. | |
11 years, index linked to 2022, no further cuts in the budget, a remit | :09:50. | :09:53. | |
to increase diversity, encouragement to be distinct, not to be an ITV, | :09:54. | :09:58. | |
special protection for the independence of the Director | :09:59. | :10:02. | |
General, a BBC majority in the governing board, nonpayment of the | :10:03. | :10:07. | |
licence fee still to be an offence, to top slicing, no government | :10:08. | :10:10. | |
scheduling, more money for the BBC World Service. What's not to like? ! | :10:11. | :10:17. | |
The main problem of course is that Mr Whittingdale is going to appoint | :10:18. | :10:25. | |
members of the bofred, chairmen, sub chairmen or whatever it is. The | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
Government's always done that. Not always... The Government It's a | :10:31. | :10:37. | |
different structure. This is a Government interfering in the | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
scheduling of the BBC. The Government's interfered with the BBC | :10:43. | :10:46. | |
all the time, the Governors, they even try to tell the BBC what to put | :10:47. | :10:50. | |
on? Whittingdale and the Conservatives are after the BBC and | :10:51. | :10:53. | |
this is another little chipping away. In your view, is that what | :10:54. | :10:58. | |
it's down to? Is the real complaint that you've got left, is that the | :10:59. | :11:02. | |
governance of the Government appointing six of the possibly 14 | :11:03. | :11:07. | |
members of the new board? Well, yes. It seems to me that Government has | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
got more power in this new structure, this new board. Before | :11:14. | :11:16. | |
there were two different boards. This new board, they seem to me to | :11:17. | :11:21. | |
be having more power. Is that true? I think all this is completely | :11:22. | :11:29. | |
irrelevant because the licence fee is shrivelling because young people | :11:30. | :11:35. | |
aren't buying licence fees. It's catastrophic. The Government can | :11:36. | :11:41. | |
guarantee the existence of the fee but they can't guarantee people will | :11:42. | :11:50. | |
buy it. Net flix is a global organisation spending $5 billion a | :11:51. | :11:56. | |
year. The BBC is Kodak, it's wedded to an old technology and an old way | :11:57. | :12:00. | |
of being financed. All the questions the BBC makes about interference | :12:01. | :12:06. | |
only come because it's effectively paid by tax. Net flix does haven't a | :12:07. | :12:13. | |
global news network, it doesn't do rolling next, it doesn't do enough | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
drama to schedule day in day out quality programmes like the BBC. It | :12:19. | :12:24. | |
does House of Cards, picks them off one by one, there's no analogy | :12:25. | :12:36. | |
between Flix. It's got 72 million subscribers. Today the BBC's in the | :12:37. | :12:45. | |
same place as it was ten years ago -- Netflix. It spends billions on | :12:46. | :12:54. | |
its programmes. I don't agree with Michael. Richard's suspicion about | :12:55. | :12:59. | |
this, and it's not the White Paper we were expecting, it's much better | :13:00. | :13:05. | |
than we were expecting. Yes. Ofcom in charge of regulation makes sense | :13:06. | :13:08. | |
but the kind of preannalto this and the kind of words we've heard from | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
Whittingdale and others suggests there was going to be an attack on | :13:13. | :13:16. | |
the BBC so there is a suspicion that those appointed, whatever they are | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
calling the new board, that that will mean editorial interference. | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
But hold on, the Director General is going to be enshrined as having | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
editorial independence, even that doesn't exist at the moment, only | :13:30. | :13:33. | |
six. I think there'll be an arguen't about the six. There will be. But it | :13:34. | :13:38. | |
will be six out of 14, the other eight will be appointed by the BBC | :13:39. | :13:40. | |
themselves. It is an organisation basically | :13:41. | :13:51. | |
funded by tax. You have to have some control by government in the broader | :13:52. | :13:57. | |
sense. I expected to carry on being a world-class part of our creative | :13:58. | :14:02. | |
industries. The BBC drives creative industries in this country, and they | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
have become a bigger part of our economy, growing faster than our | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
economy. It is a worldwide brand. It was a camera and speech writer who | :14:12. | :14:14. | |
said for the British government to attack the BBC in anyway would be | :14:15. | :14:19. | |
like America attacking Hollywood, or the French attacking the wine | :14:20. | :14:25. | |
industry. Isn't there a problem that the critics, including Alan and | :14:26. | :14:29. | |
yourself, were misled by that spin, and you had your defence of the BBC | :14:30. | :14:34. | |
in place, quite rightly, against some of the rather absurd things | :14:35. | :14:37. | |
being suggested, including government ministers scheduling BBC | :14:38. | :14:43. | |
One? Perhaps -- actually, none of that came forward and you are now | :14:44. | :14:49. | |
whistling in the wind. I don't think so. I think the suspicion we had, | :14:50. | :14:54. | |
they backtracked. It is a U-turn, one of many. As I said in the piece, | :14:55. | :15:03. | |
it was the Tory party disruption between the right and left, rather | :15:04. | :15:09. | |
than Whittingdale... The result has been all right. The result is better | :15:10. | :15:14. | |
than we thought. Did John Whittingdale bottle it? Instead of | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
the absurdity that as soon as you leave the country you cannot watch | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
the BBC, cannot get iPlayer, cannot watch catch up... A lot of that is | :15:23. | :15:27. | |
to do with international rights. Get it sorted. They have been trying but | :15:28. | :15:34. | |
because the BBC tries to make money in North America by selling | :15:35. | :15:37. | |
wonderful programmes like the night manager, when it sells that, it also | :15:38. | :15:42. | |
sells the digital rights, otherwise the American network would not take | :15:43. | :15:49. | |
it. Andrew, listen, the BBC is a global brand. It must be one of the | :15:50. | :15:55. | |
top six recognised broadcasters. It is in decline if it does not go | :15:56. | :15:58. | |
international. It has to sell products around the world. It does | :15:59. | :16:09. | |
so. It sells a few programmes. It does not make itself available in | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
the way that people receive their television in the modern world, | :16:14. | :16:17. | |
which is across the internet. It has to get into that world. I think | :16:18. | :16:22. | |
tying it to the licence fee for the next 11 years is a tragedy. We saw | :16:23. | :16:28. | |
this with nationalised industries in the 1980s. They are too frightened | :16:29. | :16:31. | |
to move outside their cosy world, but in the end it suffocates them. | :16:32. | :16:37. | |
The fact is that predictions of the demise of the BBC have been quite | :16:38. | :16:41. | |
common over the years and it has managed to adapt and reinvent itself | :16:42. | :16:50. | |
for a multichannel, digital world. I don't think Whittingdale realises | :16:51. | :16:55. | |
just how popular the BBC is with the public, with the masses, in a way. I | :16:56. | :17:02. | |
know there have been a lot of other problems on their minds, but I don't | :17:03. | :17:05. | |
think they realised just how much action there was going to be? That | :17:06. | :17:13. | |
may be why they pulled back a bit. Just because we are paranoid does | :17:14. | :17:17. | |
not mean they are not out to get us. On the issue of six government | :17:18. | :17:21. | |
appointments, it is not that different from before. It is a | :17:22. | :17:24. | |
different kind of bored this time. You think there is room for an Uva | :17:25. | :17:31. | |
on that? Yes. It was only published this afternoon. It is something the | :17:32. | :17:36. | |
BBC would like to change. The problem is that it is a Royal | :17:37. | :17:39. | |
Charter, decided by the Privy Council. I am not sure whether | :17:40. | :17:47. | |
Parliament has control. But is it not remarkable, because Michael does | :17:48. | :17:50. | |
not like it and I am to stand why, but is it not remarkable that at the | :17:51. | :17:56. | |
turn of this century even the BBC itself some people doubted the | :17:57. | :18:00. | |
licence fee could survive. And here it is, by a Tory government, being | :18:01. | :18:06. | |
proposed to be renewed until 2028. I think that is, as Richard said, | :18:07. | :18:14. | |
leave aside Labour supporters, there is big Conservative support there. | :18:15. | :18:17. | |
It is Conservative in the best sense, that this is part of our | :18:18. | :18:21. | |
traditions. This taught us is attacking Michael. It is a killer. | :18:22. | :18:32. | |
We will meet here in 2028 and the BBC will rue the day the licence fee | :18:33. | :18:36. | |
was renewed for 11 years. I am afraid I think it is the way to | :18:37. | :18:42. | |
ruin. There is too much at stake. Too much of what the BBC does is so | :18:43. | :18:47. | |
important. You are not addressing the point that the younger | :18:48. | :18:49. | |
generation are not paying the license fee. The number of | :18:50. | :18:54. | |
households paying the license fee is rising. There. Using iPlayer. We | :18:55. | :19:09. | |
will have to leave it there. Thank you. Can I leave him here with you? | :19:10. | :19:12. | |
Go for him! Now, it's late - | :19:13. | :19:15. | |
Sheridan Smith late. But don't worry, we won't | :19:16. | :19:17. | |
let you down. Because waiting in the wings, | :19:18. | :19:19. | |
without an understudy, broadcasting legend, | :19:20. | :19:21. | |
and doyen of the big base banger, Annie Nightingale is here to explain | :19:22. | :19:23. | |
to Michael what dubstep is. And if you're down with This Week, | :19:24. | :19:26. | |
big us up on The TweetyPie, The Fleecebook, SnapNumpty, | :19:27. | :19:31. | |
WhatsUpYerFlu and Gordon Brown's Now, everyone knows World War One | :19:32. | :19:34. | |
was triggered by the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand; World War Two | :19:35. | :19:41. | |
by Adolf Hitler's And thanks to a speech given | :19:42. | :19:43. | |
by David Cameron this week, we now know how close he came | :19:44. | :19:49. | |
to starting World War Three when earlier this year he threatened | :19:50. | :19:52. | |
to leave the European Union and plunge the continent | :19:53. | :19:56. | |
into conflict, if he didn't secure a couple of minor changes to in-work | :19:57. | :20:00. | |
benefits for migrants. Fortunately for everyone, | :20:01. | :20:06. | |
the EU axis powers capitulated, world war three was averted, | :20:07. | :20:10. | |
and the Prime Minister's high-stakes gamble with the lives | :20:11. | :20:14. | |
of millions paid off. As a potential cause of global | :20:15. | :20:16. | |
conflict, who wudda thunk that Tax credits were on a par | :20:17. | :20:19. | |
with Pearl Harbour. But at least we're | :20:20. | :20:23. | |
alive to tell the tale. Here's The Mirror's Kevin Maguire | :20:24. | :20:25. | |
with his Vision for Europe roundup Music's supposed to bring Europe | :20:26. | :20:28. | |
together, but this week on the campaign trail, | :20:29. | :20:51. | |
there's been no harm with both So come on Gam, let's | :20:52. | :20:53. | |
win this for Britain. # My, my, at Waterloo, | :20:54. | :21:06. | |
Napoleon did surrender. Dave belted out a warning - | :21:07. | :21:12. | |
Britain leaving Europe could trigger World War three - | :21:13. | :21:25. | |
Remember Napoleon said. # Waterloo, I was defeated, | :21:26. | :21:30. | |
you won the war #. What happens in our neighbourhood | :21:31. | :21:35. | |
matters to Britain. That was true in 1914, in 1940, | :21:36. | :21:39. | |
in 1989, or you could add 1588, All little Englanders responded | :21:40. | :21:43. | |
and if Dave's so worried about Armageddon, why | :21:44. | :21:57. | |
is he holding a referendum? To prove their point, | :21:58. | :22:01. | |
their lead singer, BoJo, I'm, as I say, | :22:02. | :22:04. | |
a liberal cosmopolitan. My family is a genetically | :22:05. | :22:11. | |
equivalent of a UN I can read novels in French, I think | :22:12. | :22:14. | |
I can read a novel in Spanish, But the really big question this | :22:15. | :22:20. | |
week wasn't global war, what business wants or should | :22:21. | :22:34. | |
we allow Eastern European It was, what will Churchill | :22:35. | :22:37. | |
do into the charts, Yes, we have had to stand alone | :22:38. | :22:42. | |
on certain occasions but yes we are best when we are outward | :22:43. | :22:53. | |
looking and engaged and I think it's a patriotic view of the future | :22:54. | :22:56. | |
of Britain to be part of Europe. You know a competition is heating | :22:57. | :23:01. | |
up when an old rocker # Try to act as if you | :23:02. | :23:03. | |
don't care less #. We can see the issues that need | :23:04. | :23:13. | |
to be resolved in the EU, but they can't see anything good | :23:14. | :23:29. | |
about it at all. That to me is a very strange, | :23:30. | :23:33. | |
irrational way of looking at it. The EU, desprite its grand early | :23:34. | :23:37. | |
intention has become, I believe, a friend of the haves, | :23:38. | :23:41. | |
rather than a friend # Your kisses for me, | :23:42. | :23:47. | |
save all your kisses for me #. Old rivals might be forming | :23:48. | :23:53. | |
new super groups, but there's The PM's desperate not to be | :23:54. | :23:55. | |
on the same bill as top Tories. The leave campaign senses the hand | :23:56. | :24:00. | |
of Number Ten in the decision to put Nigel Farage on the | :24:01. | :24:04. | |
same stage as Dave. We cannot win the referendum | :24:05. | :24:07. | |
if all we see are I'm delighted we've got | :24:08. | :24:10. | |
six Cabinet Ministers But actually, we need Ukip voices, | :24:11. | :24:14. | |
Labour voices, Trade Union voices and a degree of unity | :24:15. | :24:19. | |
if we are going to work together. Everyone was saving their | :24:20. | :24:23. | |
kisses for Sadiq Khan. They were queueing up | :24:24. | :24:25. | |
to congratulate the new Mayor Whilst it may be great, | :24:26. | :24:28. | |
he's made an exception for me, it's not about me, it's | :24:29. | :24:34. | |
about friends, family and others from all around the world | :24:35. | :24:36. | |
who want to go to America, my concern is he's playing | :24:37. | :24:39. | |
into the hands of extremist who is say it's not compatible to be | :24:40. | :24:41. | |
Western and to be Mainstream Muslim. I think London showed | :24:42. | :24:46. | |
last Thursday it is. Curiously, the one person | :24:47. | :24:49. | |
who didn't sing Khan's praises at Prime Minister's Questions | :24:50. | :24:51. | |
was his own party's front Sadly for us lefties, | :24:52. | :24:53. | |
Dave's his own worst enemy. Corbyn tried to press Cameron on tax | :24:54. | :24:59. | |
havens, but it was the SNP's Angus Robertson who came | :25:00. | :25:16. | |
closest to stopping Seeing as the Prime Minister | :25:17. | :25:18. | |
is prepared to lecture other countries on corruption | :25:19. | :25:23. | |
and probitycould he explain why seven police forces in the UK have | :25:24. | :25:25. | |
launched criminal investigations into Conservative MPs | :25:26. | :25:32. | |
for potential electoral fraud? So it's nul point | :25:33. | :25:43. | |
all round this week. We can do better than them | :25:44. | :25:45. | |
and I'm sorry, Gam, this This week's Kevin Maguire, | :25:46. | :25:48. | |
singing Beethoven's Ode to Joy. In all my years at Eurovision, | :25:49. | :25:57. | |
I've never seen anything like that, that is surely | :25:58. | :26:19. | |
a winning performance. Ok, never mind Kevin, | :26:20. | :26:23. | |
always next year! Has call me Dave lost his marbles, | :26:24. | :26:52. | |
or is he panicking with this talk of world War three? I hope he is | :26:53. | :26:58. | |
panicking but it has reached such a level that I think everyone has | :26:59. | :27:03. | |
switched off. You made the point earlier, how can he call a | :27:04. | :27:06. | |
referendum if he seriously believes the outcome could be war in Europe? | :27:07. | :27:12. | |
I just think all of Project Fear has got more and more silly day by day, | :27:13. | :27:17. | |
and the British public is not stupid so I think they will dismiss all of | :27:18. | :27:22. | |
this. But I think it has taken a toll on the Government's reputation | :27:23. | :27:30. | |
for honesty and sanity. Probity. Sanity, was the word I was going to | :27:31. | :27:36. | |
use. I pick it has destroyed George Osborne's reputation because it | :27:37. | :27:40. | |
ruined his Budget but it is now not doing David Cameron's reputation any | :27:41. | :27:44. | |
good. Is it not a problem for your side of the argument that if the | :27:45. | :27:49. | |
dangers, the downside to Brexit is so severe, why would you ever have | :27:50. | :27:53. | |
risked a referendum in the first place? Secondly, why would you make | :27:54. | :28:00. | |
it contingent on what are frankly minor changes? That is a different | :28:01. | :28:08. | |
question. Harold Wilson did the same thing in 1975. He did not play the | :28:09. | :28:11. | |
same role in the campaign when it came round, he took a back seat. He | :28:12. | :28:18. | |
did his bit. David Cameron did not talk about world War three. It was a | :28:19. | :28:22. | |
perfectly decent speech. He was making the point that was written | :28:23. | :28:27. | |
large in 1975, which was the role of the European Union in its | :28:28. | :28:31. | |
predecessor coal and steel community, that post-war period, | :28:32. | :28:34. | |
where Churchill in his zeal Rick speech was talking about Britain | :28:35. | :28:37. | |
being at the centre of three majestic circles. It was very much | :28:38. | :28:42. | |
about peace on our continent and I think it is quite right for David | :28:43. | :28:45. | |
Cameron to point that out and for him to say that if you think, the | :28:46. | :28:50. | |
irony is that the Schuman declaration that in 1940s said, we | :28:51. | :28:56. | |
will make it inconceivable for two European countries to go to war | :28:57. | :29:03. | |
together. I think it was right for Cameron to point that out and to | :29:04. | :29:07. | |
say, if you think there cannot be war on our continent, look around | :29:08. | :29:09. | |
and see what is happening on the borders. I think that was a fair | :29:10. | :29:14. | |
point. If he had said we would have world War three... But that was not | :29:15. | :29:21. | |
what he said. He placed it in the context of two world wars. Two wars | :29:22. | :29:25. | |
on our continent. A valid point. The Governor of the Bank of England, | :29:26. | :29:36. | |
Mark Carney intervened. Is this fitting for the Governor of the Bank | :29:37. | :29:40. | |
of England in a partisan way? I certainly very much regret it. But | :29:41. | :29:45. | |
the more these establishment figures rush in singing the same tune, quite | :29:46. | :29:51. | |
honestly, the happier I get because, you know, the history of referendums | :29:52. | :29:54. | |
in Europe is that when all the establishment's lined up on one | :29:55. | :30:00. | |
side, the people quite enjoy the opportunity of giving them a good | :30:01. | :30:06. | |
kicking. Polling out today showed British people rather rate Governor | :30:07. | :30:08. | |
Carney and regard him as an independent voice on this and may | :30:09. | :30:14. | |
take heed of what he's saying? I rather doubt it myself. The people | :30:15. | :30:21. | |
I'm speaking to have, you know, I would say, strong predetermined | :30:22. | :30:24. | |
positions and I don't think they are being particularly persuaded by the | :30:25. | :30:26. | |
people stepping forward and giving their opinions. Sorry, Alan! Mark | :30:27. | :30:33. | |
Carney and the monetary policy exit comity. We don't get to see the | :30:34. | :30:40. | |
monies for eight years? -- committee. It was establishment | :30:41. | :30:47. | |
figures on both sides of the argument. Are the broadcasters cow | :30:48. | :30:52. | |
towelling to David Cameron now? In these debates, he wants to avoid at | :30:53. | :30:56. | |
all costs a kind of Tory blue on blouse so he won't appear, even if | :30:57. | :31:01. | |
separated, he he does half an hour then the leave would do half an | :31:02. | :31:05. | |
hour, he won't appear on the same kind of programme with that, which | :31:06. | :31:09. | |
means he won't appear against remain and yet the official campaign for | :31:10. | :31:15. | |
leaving is not getting part of the debate? Well, he made the decision | :31:16. | :31:21. | |
that the Cabinet could go their own way. That's not the point. I don't | :31:22. | :31:29. | |
want to see blue on blue. But leave is the official campaign. We went to | :31:30. | :31:34. | |
all the trouble of having a system, a process by which a leave campaign | :31:35. | :31:39. | |
and remain campaign would be selected as being the campaign. ITV | :31:40. | :31:42. | |
cannot then say we are going to stage a debate with the Prime | :31:43. | :31:46. | |
Minister and somebody who doesn't represent the leave campaign. | :31:47. | :31:54. | |
Because we know Mr Cameron wants to juxtapose himself with Nigel Farage | :31:55. | :31:57. | |
because he thinks he wins that, not with Michael Gove or Boris Johnson? | :31:58. | :32:02. | |
Yes. Should the broadcasters go along with that? Well, in a sense... | :32:03. | :32:08. | |
No, they should not. You have been complaining about our need to be | :32:09. | :32:12. | |
independent. But the broadcasters are being. I think the idea of the | :32:13. | :32:16. | |
Wembley Arena is absolutely mad but the BBC have made it absolutely | :32:17. | :32:20. | |
clear they are going to go ahead with it whether or not we like it. | :32:21. | :32:27. | |
Mr Cameron won't take part in it. Gordon Brown was the only serving | :32:28. | :32:32. | |
Prime Minister who ever agreed to go head-to-head at a general election. | :32:33. | :32:34. | |
Because he knew he was going to lose. May well be the case. Channel | :32:35. | :32:40. | |
4 News has led the way in this, we are going to lead on it tomorrow in | :32:41. | :32:50. | |
the Daily Politics. Seven police forces have launched investigations | :32:51. | :32:53. | |
into potential Conservative electoral fraud. The potential to | :32:54. | :32:57. | |
become a scandal and today I think it was, the Tory Central Office | :32:58. | :33:01. | |
couldn't get its response in in time, it's now in breach of court | :33:02. | :33:05. | |
orders. You have blind sided me on this, I haven't followed this. You | :33:06. | :33:13. | |
haven't? No. You have, Alan? No. It's about the allocation of | :33:14. | :33:17. | |
expenses. There are national limits and there are local limits, and the | :33:18. | :33:25. | |
Tories were bussing people in, financed centrally, staying | :33:26. | :33:28. | |
overnight in hotels, it was claimed it was part of the national | :33:29. | :33:31. | |
campaign. But they were out campaigning for the local MPs in | :33:32. | :33:36. | |
marginal seats. I did see something about that, yes. Can we rerun the | :33:37. | :33:45. | |
general election? Well, it could... Sadiq Khan off to a good start in | :33:46. | :33:49. | |
London? Yes, I entirely agree with what Alan said. It's worth | :33:50. | :33:56. | |
mentioning of course that he scored a handsome victory, Labour | :33:57. | :33:59. | |
comfortably won in London, which of course makes Boris's triumph in the | :34:00. | :34:03. | |
last two mayoral elections look all the more remarkable because I think | :34:04. | :34:08. | |
London is basically a Labour city but Boris can argue he's an election | :34:09. | :34:13. | |
winner. ? And Ruth Davidson's managed to reinvent the | :34:14. | :34:15. | |
Conservatives in Scotland, who would have thought of that? ! Who, but | :34:16. | :34:20. | |
she's done nit a stylish, individual way. She may have replaced the | :34:21. | :34:23. | |
Conservative brand with her own brand. She may well have done, yes. | :34:24. | :34:29. | |
It's going to be a long haul. I'm going up there tomorrow to launch | :34:30. | :34:33. | |
our Labour in for Scotland with Kezia Dugdale and I'm glad she's | :34:34. | :34:37. | |
hanging on because no-one was going to do any better. I understand that. | :34:38. | :34:42. | |
Absolutely, but, you know, we have been through so many leaders, we | :34:43. | :34:52. | |
have burnt through to many leaders. The point I was going to make is | :34:53. | :34:56. | |
that if you do kind of essentially write off Scotland for 2020 or that | :34:57. | :35:02. | |
you only make one or two MPs, you need a 13-point lead in England. I | :35:03. | :35:07. | |
know. Huge. Without the boundary change. With Labour being third in | :35:08. | :35:12. | |
Scotland, have having whatever it was, 55 seats before the last | :35:13. | :35:14. | |
general election, it shows that absolutely anything can happen, it's | :35:15. | :35:18. | |
such a volatile political situation. My advice to you is to catch up with | :35:19. | :35:25. | |
Channel 4 News. Also watch the Daily Politics tomorrow. We'll be on the | :35:26. | :35:28. | |
coat tails of Channel 4 News. Here on This Week, | :35:29. | :35:33. | |
we like to think of ourselves as the epitome of cutting plugged | :35:34. | :35:37. | |
into the political zeitgeist, feeding off the national cool grid | :35:38. | :35:40. | |
down with the kids who are up Nobody doubts that where we lead, | :35:41. | :35:43. | |
other's are bound to follow. So that's why we've decided to drop | :35:44. | :35:46. | |
a Big Base Political Banger and put staying relevant in this week's | :35:47. | :35:50. | |
Spotlight. She has bopped with the Beatles, | :35:51. | :36:07. | |
pounded us with punk... The Ramones are here | :36:08. | :36:10. | |
in the studio now. And introduced us to grime, | :36:11. | :36:12. | |
dubstep and trap, whatever they are. Radio 1's longest serving | :36:13. | :36:15. | |
DJ, Annie Nightingale, But is it hard to stay relevant | :36:16. | :36:19. | |
for as long as she has? Now, if Jezza gets elected in 2020 | :36:20. | :36:26. | |
at the age of 70, he would be the oldest person ever | :36:27. | :36:31. | |
to become Prime Minister But if the youth dig your vibe, | :36:32. | :36:37. | |
does age really matter? We are going to fight | :36:38. | :36:47. | |
for every last vote. Bernie Sanders' student-friendly | :36:48. | :36:50. | |
campaign won him another primary this week, the Democrat hopeful | :36:51. | :36:53. | |
taking West Virginia. Bernie would be America's oldest | :36:54. | :36:56. | |
ever President, as would The Donald. As for Hillary, she would be | :36:57. | :36:59. | |
the second oldest, behind current record-holder Ronald Reagan, | :37:00. | :37:03. | |
proving that this year's candidates Meanwhile, City Hall is saying | :37:04. | :37:08. | |
"cheerio" to an old Etonian and "hi" Regardless of Sadiq Khan's political | :37:09. | :37:15. | |
party, could there be a more relevant choice for a modern, | :37:16. | :37:21. | |
multicultural London than the son 51 years as a broadcaster | :37:22. | :37:27. | |
and Annie Nightingale is still So whether it's in music, | :37:28. | :37:34. | |
culture or politics, how do you stay relevant | :37:35. | :37:38. | |
in an ever-changing world? Welcome to the programme Annie. I | :37:39. | :37:53. | |
like the joke. You do? Yes. If I'd known, I'd have brought you some... | :37:54. | :38:00. | |
We've got two jokes! Yes. I would have brought you some. Before we get | :38:01. | :38:07. | |
on, what is a big base banger? This is a tune that has a lot of base | :38:08. | :38:17. | |
beats in it. I start mine with three of them. It's very strong, three | :38:18. | :38:23. | |
grab the audience. Quite right too, if only we had an audience to grab. | :38:24. | :38:30. | |
I can help you out. Radio 1 since 1970. Yes. The tortoise is here. I | :38:31. | :38:36. | |
was only 8 at the time, I remember! How have you managed to stay | :38:37. | :38:40. | |
relevant? I'm fascinated by the music and the tortoise. It won't eat | :38:41. | :38:46. | |
you. It's nice. It's going to give you a toe massage. How have you | :38:47. | :38:53. | |
managed to keep relevant? Because I think I'm very genuinely interested | :38:54. | :38:56. | |
in the way music develops and changes all the time. Because now | :38:57. | :39:02. | |
you can make an album on your iPhone, anybody can do it. Don't | :39:03. | :39:08. | |
encourage them? OK, I won't. Because it's so accessible now, there's so | :39:09. | :39:11. | |
much, it can move very quickly, you don't need to be in Abbey Road | :39:12. | :39:18. | |
studios any more to make an album but it means there's a lot more | :39:19. | :39:22. | |
round and it's hard to be recognised. Do you move with the | :39:23. | :39:25. | |
times consciously, have you done that, or does it happen naturally? I | :39:26. | :39:33. | |
want to hear something I haven't said before and John Peel used to | :39:34. | :39:37. | |
say that too and I couldn't put it better. I don't want to hear the | :39:38. | :39:42. | |
same old same old, I want to hear something innovative, somebody doing | :39:43. | :39:45. | |
something different and because it all moves so quickly now and because | :39:46. | :39:51. | |
of the digital world we live in... Which makes it even quicker? Yeah, | :39:52. | :39:55. | |
so somebody can put an element into a tune last week, by next week | :39:56. | :39:59. | |
someone will have heard that, taken it, changed it round and moved it | :40:00. | :40:03. | |
on. That's what continues to fascinate me. You have to want to | :40:04. | :40:06. | |
move with the times. It's so easy for people to slip in and say, it | :40:07. | :40:11. | |
was much better back then? Of course. For most people, when they | :40:12. | :40:19. | |
are young is when music is most important to them. But we also have | :40:20. | :40:25. | |
a generation now in its '60s which has grown up with music probably | :40:26. | :40:29. | |
more important to that generation than any previous generation? | :40:30. | :40:40. | |
Absolutely. Michael was around when Wagner first started. This is the | :40:41. | :40:44. | |
first generation ever that's had this music all through its life and | :40:45. | :40:47. | |
stuck with it and is rather proud of it? I think so. Do you know what's | :40:48. | :40:54. | |
happening in California in October, it's a festival which is kind of an | :40:55. | :41:00. | |
American Glastonbury. This year they'll have Calvin Harris and all | :41:01. | :41:04. | |
the big pop star names of now. So what they've done is, they are going | :41:05. | :41:18. | |
to have what they now call an old festival with Roger Waters, Bob | :41:19. | :41:24. | |
Dylan and all the older ones. Do parents take them with them? Yes, | :41:25. | :41:29. | |
it's fascinating to me. It proves the thing of, it's good to stick | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
together. If you are a band, try and hold it together, stick together if | :41:34. | :41:36. | |
you can because people like the Stones went through very bad years | :41:37. | :41:49. | |
of being unpopular. We have sat on this furniture for 13 years, who'd | :41:50. | :41:52. | |
have guessed that? This programme was supposed to be devised for a | :41:53. | :41:57. | |
young audience and the average age of its presenters when we started | :41:58. | :42:02. | |
was 50 plus now it's 60 plus. The audience was young when we started | :42:03. | :42:08. | |
but got old! You have moved with times Alan haven't you? It's It's | :42:09. | :42:13. | |
the point you make about music. If you are a reader and only ever read | :42:14. | :42:19. | |
Dickens or troll lop, you are bound to listen to more modern music as | :42:20. | :42:24. | |
well as read modern stuff. Annie is a great example of, you can't just | :42:25. | :42:30. | |
say when you reach 60 you can only listen to dire states. Some people | :42:31. | :42:37. | |
feel embarrassed to like certain things, they don't want to look like | :42:38. | :42:42. | |
they are getting down with the kids. You are DJ-ing at a festival? Yes, | :42:43. | :42:54. | |
How the Light Gets In. Hay-on-Wye. Yes. | :42:55. | :42:56. | |
Now that's your lot for tonight folks. | :42:57. | :42:59. | |
But not for us, because it's Unaccompanied Child Refugee | :43:00. | :43:01. | |
At first we weren't going to go, as we didn't see the point. | :43:02. | :43:06. | |
Then we found our moral backbone, did an abrupt U-turn, | :43:07. | :43:09. | |
and decided we'd look bad if we didn't turn up so we're off. | :43:10. | :43:12. | |
But we're hoping only a handful turn up. | :43:13. | :43:14. | |
But we leave you tonight with our continent staring | :43:15. | :43:16. | |
Because if the Eurovision Song Contest is, as they say, | :43:17. | :43:20. | |
war by other means, then what you are about to see must | :43:21. | :43:23. | |
Nighty night, don't let the full horror of the This Week entry bite. | :43:24. | :43:42. | |
Thank you. My my At Waterloo. Napoleon did surrender. Oh yeah And | :43:43. | :43:54. | |
I have met my destiny in quite a similar way. The history book on the | :43:55. | :43:58. | |
shelf. Is always repeating itself. Waterloo. I was defeated you won the | :43:59. | :44:15. | |
war. Oh, yeah. Waterloo. Promise you'll love me for ever more. | :44:16. | :44:22. | |
welcome to the greatest city on earth, | :44:23. | :44:28. | |
You've got the best view, my brother. | :44:29. | :44:37. | |
Oh, I don't want to look! SCREAMING | :44:38. | :44:40. |