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Evenin' all, welcome to This Week and to the final time that we'll be

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Welcome to the 189th edivision of the Eurovision Song Contest

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broadcast from Bognor Regis. They have been watching Eurovision on the

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BBC since The BBC was invented. Big Beeb fan Richard Wilson thinks any

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government shake-up shouldn't be in the corporation's Waterloo. I love

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the BBC and would march in the streets to defend it.

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# Like a puppet on a string... # Old foe Kevin Maguire will be

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performing, making your mind up. Can he do it for his country this year

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or will it be nil point once again. Only six weeks until making your

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mind up and on the campaign trail, two groups singing different tunes.

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Kevin might have bombed a little bit there. Only one thing has been going

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longer than Eurovision. I'm hoping Annie Nightingale is saving all her

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kisses for me. If you witness as many Eurovision Song Contests as I

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have, you will know that the Swedes put on a banging show. Here at this

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week, I'm with a bunch of turn ins. The audience is going wild for

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Annie. -- turnips. Where are all the stars going? Watch out, here we are,

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we are in, put your feet up, we are in for a long night!

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Evenin' all, welcome to This Week and to the final time that we'll be

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Because, now that the Government is taking over BBC scheduling

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to ensure that never again do ITV's most popular shows have to face

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head-to-head competition from the BBC's top-rated programmes,

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I'm delighted to report that as of next weekend we're moving

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to 8pm on a Saturday night, with the explicit remit

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of not giving the X-Factor a run for its money.

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I understand it was a toss up between us and Newsnight,

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with the Director-General narrowly deciding in This Week's favour,

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as likely to do even worse than Newsnight in prime time.

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In keeping with this novel approach to scheduling,

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the Daily Politics will replace EastEnders every night at 7.30

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and EastEnders will move to the Parliament Channel

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where it can do ITV no harm but will raise the level

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A double whammy for public-service broadcasting at its finest.

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I know some of you night owls out there will be disappointed

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by our move to prime time but, frankly, the way they kept putting

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us on later and later, by Christmas we'd have been

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Speaking of the sort of distinctive content that would satisfy

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I'm joined on the sofa tonight by the kind of talent no commercial

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broadcaster would ever dream of putting on-screen.

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Think of them as the Strictly Come Dancing and the Strictly Forbidden

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I speak, of course of #manontheleft, Alan 'AJ' Johnson.

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And, abiding by the strict This Week dress code, #sadmaninhighheels,

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Your moment of the week? As part of project fear, George Osborne told us

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that were we to leave the Ieuan, house prices would fall. You would

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have to be Chancellor of the Exchequer -- leave the European

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Union. If house prices were to fall, millions of people at the moment

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have no chance of getting on the property ladder. They wouldn't be

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able to get on the property ladder and only a Chancellor of the

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Exchequer only interested in talking to old people in the have variety

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rather than the have notes would believe this is a disadvantage.

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Let's take George at his word for a moment. If we leave, the property

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prices will fall and we'll have much more social equality than before.

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Interesting. Alan? I think it's been Sadiq Khan's week and what impressed

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me most I think, a class political act is what he did on Sunday to go

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to the Holocaust memorial. Yes. When you've got all the kind of division

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and ignorance that we've heard from Donald Trump and we have had our own

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problems in the Labour Party, in one fell swoop, that action on Sunday

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deeply appreciated by the Jewish community. Really happy to see that.

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The first Muslim London Mayor and he goes to the Holocaust memorial, a

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very classy move. Very good. Two good moments. Can't remember when

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that last happened! Nor can we. Maybe our move to prime time will be

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a success! Now, with such world class public

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service broadcasting under its belt as Michael Portillo rapping along

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to NWA and former Home Secretary Jacqui Smith breaking it down big

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fish little fish style - and that's just on This Week -

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surely there can be no doubt about the place of the BBC

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in British society. But that didn't stop a procession

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of luvvies turning last Sunday's Baftas into something more

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akin to a North Korean Communist Party rally as they grand-standed

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to a series of "spontaneous" rapturous ovations from

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the faithful, warning of the imminent doom that

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was to be the BBC White Paper. Except that it turned out to be

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a bit of damp squib, with the licence fee index-linked

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for at least five years So is it trebles all

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round at Broadcasting House? Here's actor Richard Wilson

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with his take of the week. # They say I might as well face

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the truth # That I am just too long in the

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tooth # That I am just too long in the

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# I've started to deteriorate # And now I'm past my own sell by

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date # Oh, I am no spring

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chicken, it's true # I have to pop my teeth

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in to chew # And my old knees have started to

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knock... # I've just got too many miles

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on the clock # So I'm a wrinkly, crinkly, set in

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my ways... Decrepit, slow, creaky,

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some people might think of the BBC It's been around for

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almost a century now. Despite governments' various

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attempts to try and clip its wings, I don't think it's got one foot

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in the grave just yet. The White Paper announced today may

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have headed off some of the immediate fears,

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but I think we have conflict between the right and left

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of the Tory party to thank for that, rather than a sudden spring of love

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for Auntie by the Culture Secretary. Any Culture Secretary forced

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to admit he had no wish to hobble And I, for one, am prepared to march

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in the street to defend it The brilliance of the BBC

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is recognised not just We only have to look at the clean

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sweep of the BAFTAs to see that. Its brilliance lies

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in its impartiality, And it seems to me that

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Whittingdale's proposals still do a pretty good job

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of undermining that. Forced to open its books

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to a Government watchdog. The Government has powers

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to appoint its stooges Perhaps not as sweet

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a deal as it first seemed. And what will happen when the 11

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years of the licence And I'm concerned the BBC might now

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become more hare than tortoise, abandoning its wisdom to compete

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with the commercial The Corporation should stick

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to what it's good at, So what do you think, Jeremy,

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still time to make the placards? And from a sunny afternoon

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in the garden to raking the conversational muck

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here on This Week, Richard Welcome. Richard, a licence fee for

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11 years, index linked to 2022, no further cuts in the budget, a remit

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to increase diversity, encouragement to be distinct, not to be an ITV,

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special protection for the independence of the Director

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General, a BBC majority in the governing board, nonpayment of the

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licence fee still to be an offence, to top slicing, no government

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scheduling, more money for the BBC World Service. What's not to like? !

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The main problem of course is that Mr Whittingdale is going to appoint

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members of the bofred, chairmen, sub chairmen or whatever it is. The

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Government's always done that. Not always... The Government It's a

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different structure. This is a Government interfering in the

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scheduling of the BBC. The Government's interfered with the BBC

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all the time, the Governors, they even try to tell the BBC what to put

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on? Whittingdale and the Conservatives are after the BBC and

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this is another little chipping away. In your view, is that what

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it's down to? Is the real complaint that you've got left, is that the

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governance of the Government appointing six of the possibly 14

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members of the new board? Well, yes. It seems to me that Government has

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got more power in this new structure, this new board. Before

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there were two different boards. This new board, they seem to me to

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be having more power. Is that true? I think all this is completely

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irrelevant because the licence fee is shrivelling because young people

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aren't buying licence fees. It's catastrophic. The Government can

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guarantee the existence of the fee but they can't guarantee people will

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buy it. Net flix is a global organisation spending $5 billion a

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year. The BBC is Kodak, it's wedded to an old technology and an old way

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of being financed. All the questions the BBC makes about interference

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only come because it's effectively paid by tax. Net flix does haven't a

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global news network, it doesn't do rolling next, it doesn't do enough

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drama to schedule day in day out quality programmes like the BBC. It

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does House of Cards, picks them off one by one, there's no analogy

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between Flix. It's got 72 million subscribers. Today the BBC's in the

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same place as it was ten years ago -- Netflix. It spends billions on

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its programmes. I don't agree with Michael. Richard's suspicion about

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this, and it's not the White Paper we were expecting, it's much better

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than we were expecting. Yes. Ofcom in charge of regulation makes sense

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but the kind of preannalto this and the kind of words we've heard from

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Whittingdale and others suggests there was going to be an attack on

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the BBC so there is a suspicion that those appointed, whatever they are

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calling the new board, that that will mean editorial interference.

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But hold on, the Director General is going to be enshrined as having

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editorial independence, even that doesn't exist at the moment, only

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six. I think there'll be an arguen't about the six. There will be. But it

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will be six out of 14, the other eight will be appointed by the BBC

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themselves. It is an organisation basically

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funded by tax. You have to have some control by government in the broader

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sense. I expected to carry on being a world-class part of our creative

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industries. The BBC drives creative industries in this country, and they

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have become a bigger part of our economy, growing faster than our

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economy. It is a worldwide brand. It was a camera and speech writer who

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said for the British government to attack the BBC in anyway would be

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like America attacking Hollywood, or the French attacking the wine

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industry. Isn't there a problem that the critics, including Alan and

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yourself, were misled by that spin, and you had your defence of the BBC

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in place, quite rightly, against some of the rather absurd things

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being suggested, including government ministers scheduling BBC

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One? Perhaps -- actually, none of that came forward and you are now

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whistling in the wind. I don't think so. I think the suspicion we had,

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they backtracked. It is a U-turn, one of many. As I said in the piece,

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it was the Tory party disruption between the right and left, rather

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than Whittingdale... The result has been all right. The result is better

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than we thought. Did John Whittingdale bottle it? Instead of

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the absurdity that as soon as you leave the country you cannot watch

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the BBC, cannot get iPlayer, cannot watch catch up... A lot of that is

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to do with international rights. Get it sorted. They have been trying but

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because the BBC tries to make money in North America by selling

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wonderful programmes like the night manager, when it sells that, it also

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sells the digital rights, otherwise the American network would not take

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it. Andrew, listen, the BBC is a global brand. It must be one of the

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top six recognised broadcasters. It is in decline if it does not go

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international. It has to sell products around the world. It does

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so. It sells a few programmes. It does not make itself available in

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the way that people receive their television in the modern world,

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which is across the internet. It has to get into that world. I think

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tying it to the licence fee for the next 11 years is a tragedy. We saw

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this with nationalised industries in the 1980s. They are too frightened

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to move outside their cosy world, but in the end it suffocates them.

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The fact is that predictions of the demise of the BBC have been quite

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common over the years and it has managed to adapt and reinvent itself

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for a multichannel, digital world. I don't think Whittingdale realises

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just how popular the BBC is with the public, with the masses, in a way. I

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know there have been a lot of other problems on their minds, but I don't

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think they realised just how much action there was going to be? That

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may be why they pulled back a bit. Just because we are paranoid does

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not mean they are not out to get us. On the issue of six government

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appointments, it is not that different from before. It is a

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different kind of bored this time. You think there is room for an Uva

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on that? Yes. It was only published this afternoon. It is something the

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BBC would like to change. The problem is that it is a Royal

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Charter, decided by the Privy Council. I am not sure whether

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Parliament has control. But is it not remarkable, because Michael does

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not like it and I am to stand why, but is it not remarkable that at the

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turn of this century even the BBC itself some people doubted the

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licence fee could survive. And here it is, by a Tory government, being

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proposed to be renewed until 2028. I think that is, as Richard said,

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leave aside Labour supporters, there is big Conservative support there.

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It is Conservative in the best sense, that this is part of our

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traditions. This taught us is attacking Michael. It is a killer.

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We will meet here in 2028 and the BBC will rue the day the licence fee

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was renewed for 11 years. I am afraid I think it is the way to

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ruin. There is too much at stake. Too much of what the BBC does is so

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important. You are not addressing the point that the younger

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generation are not paying the license fee. The number of

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households paying the license fee is rising. There. Using iPlayer. We

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will have to leave it there. Thank you. Can I leave him here with you?

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Go for him! Now, it's late -

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Sheridan Smith late. But don't worry, we won't

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let you down. Because waiting in the wings,

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without an understudy, broadcasting legend,

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and doyen of the big base banger, Annie Nightingale is here to explain

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to Michael what dubstep is. And if you're down with This Week,

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big us up on The TweetyPie, The Fleecebook, SnapNumpty,

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WhatsUpYerFlu and Gordon Brown's Now, everyone knows World War One

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was triggered by the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand; World War Two

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by Adolf Hitler's And thanks to a speech given

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by David Cameron this week, we now know how close he came

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to starting World War Three when earlier this year he threatened

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to leave the European Union and plunge the continent

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into conflict, if he didn't secure a couple of minor changes to in-work

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benefits for migrants. Fortunately for everyone,

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the EU axis powers capitulated, world war three was averted,

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and the Prime Minister's high-stakes gamble with the lives

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of millions paid off. As a potential cause of global

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conflict, who wudda thunk that Tax credits were on a par

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with Pearl Harbour. But at least we're

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alive to tell the tale. Here's The Mirror's Kevin Maguire

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with his Vision for Europe roundup Music's supposed to bring Europe

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together, but this week on the campaign trail,

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there's been no harm with both So come on Gam, let's

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win this for Britain. # My, my, at Waterloo,

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Napoleon did surrender. Dave belted out a warning -

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Britain leaving Europe could trigger World War three -

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Remember Napoleon said. # Waterloo, I was defeated,

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you won the war #. What happens in our neighbourhood

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matters to Britain. That was true in 1914, in 1940,

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in 1989, or you could add 1588, All little Englanders responded

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and if Dave's so worried about Armageddon, why

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is he holding a referendum? To prove their point,

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their lead singer, BoJo, I'm, as I say,

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a liberal cosmopolitan. My family is a genetically

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equivalent of a UN I can read novels in French, I think

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I can read a novel in Spanish, But the really big question this

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week wasn't global war, what business wants or should

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we allow Eastern European It was, what will Churchill

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do into the charts, Yes, we have had to stand alone

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on certain occasions but yes we are best when we are outward

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looking and engaged and I think it's a patriotic view of the future

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of Britain to be part of Europe. You know a competition is heating

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up when an old rocker # Try to act as if you

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don't care less #. We can see the issues that need

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to be resolved in the EU, but they can't see anything good

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about it at all. That to me is a very strange,

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irrational way of looking at it. The EU, desprite its grand early

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intention has become, I believe, a friend of the haves,

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rather than a friend # Your kisses for me,

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save all your kisses for me #. Old rivals might be forming

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new super groups, but there's The PM's desperate not to be

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on the same bill as top Tories. The leave campaign senses the hand

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of Number Ten in the decision to put Nigel Farage on the

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same stage as Dave. We cannot win the referendum

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if all we see are I'm delighted we've got

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six Cabinet Ministers But actually, we need Ukip voices,

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Labour voices, Trade Union voices and a degree of unity

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if we are going to work together. Everyone was saving their

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kisses for Sadiq Khan. They were queueing up

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to congratulate the new Mayor Whilst it may be great,

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he's made an exception for me, it's not about me, it's

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about friends, family and others from all around the world

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who want to go to America, my concern is he's playing

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into the hands of extremist who is say it's not compatible to be

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Western and to be Mainstream Muslim. I think London showed

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last Thursday it is. Curiously, the one person

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who didn't sing Khan's praises at Prime Minister's Questions

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was his own party's front Sadly for us lefties,

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Dave's his own worst enemy. Corbyn tried to press Cameron on tax

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havens, but it was the SNP's Angus Robertson who came

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closest to stopping Seeing as the Prime Minister

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is prepared to lecture other countries on corruption

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and probitycould he explain why seven police forces in the UK have

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launched criminal investigations into Conservative MPs

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for potential electoral fraud? So it's nul point

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all round this week. We can do better than them

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and I'm sorry, Gam, this This week's Kevin Maguire,

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singing Beethoven's Ode to Joy. In all my years at Eurovision,

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I've never seen anything like that, that is surely

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a winning performance. Ok, never mind Kevin,

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always next year! Has call me Dave lost his marbles,

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or is he panicking with this talk of world War three? I hope he is

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panicking but it has reached such a level that I think everyone has

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switched off. You made the point earlier, how can he call a

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referendum if he seriously believes the outcome could be war in Europe?

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I just think all of Project Fear has got more and more silly day by day,

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and the British public is not stupid so I think they will dismiss all of

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this. But I think it has taken a toll on the Government's reputation

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for honesty and sanity. Probity. Sanity, was the word I was going to

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use. I pick it has destroyed George Osborne's reputation because it

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ruined his Budget but it is now not doing David Cameron's reputation any

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good. Is it not a problem for your side of the argument that if the

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dangers, the downside to Brexit is so severe, why would you ever have

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risked a referendum in the first place? Secondly, why would you make

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it contingent on what are frankly minor changes? That is a different

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question. Harold Wilson did the same thing in 1975. He did not play the

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same role in the campaign when it came round, he took a back seat. He

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did his bit. David Cameron did not talk about world War three. It was a

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perfectly decent speech. He was making the point that was written

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large in 1975, which was the role of the European Union in its

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predecessor coal and steel community, that post-war period,

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where Churchill in his zeal Rick speech was talking about Britain

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being at the centre of three majestic circles. It was very much

:28:38.:28:42.

about peace on our continent and I think it is quite right for David

:28:43.:28:45.

Cameron to point that out and for him to say that if you think, the

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irony is that the Schuman declaration that in 1940s said, we

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will make it inconceivable for two European countries to go to war

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together. I think it was right for Cameron to point that out and to

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say, if you think there cannot be war on our continent, look around

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and see what is happening on the borders. I think that was a fair

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point. If he had said we would have world War three... But that was not

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what he said. He placed it in the context of two world wars. Two wars

:29:22.:29:25.

on our continent. A valid point. The Governor of the Bank of England,

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Mark Carney intervened. Is this fitting for the Governor of the Bank

:29:37.:29:40.

of England in a partisan way? I certainly very much regret it. But

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the more these establishment figures rush in singing the same tune, quite

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honestly, the happier I get because, you know, the history of referendums

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in Europe is that when all the establishment's lined up on one

:29:55.:30:00.

side, the people quite enjoy the opportunity of giving them a good

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kicking. Polling out today showed British people rather rate Governor

:30:07.:30:08.

Carney and regard him as an independent voice on this and may

:30:09.:30:14.

take heed of what he's saying? I rather doubt it myself. The people

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I'm speaking to have, you know, I would say, strong predetermined

:30:22.:30:24.

positions and I don't think they are being particularly persuaded by the

:30:25.:30:26.

people stepping forward and giving their opinions. Sorry, Alan! Mark

:30:27.:30:33.

Carney and the monetary policy exit comity. We don't get to see the

:30:34.:30:40.

monies for eight years? -- committee. It was establishment

:30:41.:30:47.

figures on both sides of the argument. Are the broadcasters cow

:30:48.:30:52.

towelling to David Cameron now? In these debates, he wants to avoid at

:30:53.:30:56.

all costs a kind of Tory blue on blouse so he won't appear, even if

:30:57.:31:01.

separated, he he does half an hour then the leave would do half an

:31:02.:31:05.

hour, he won't appear on the same kind of programme with that, which

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means he won't appear against remain and yet the official campaign for

:31:10.:31:15.

leaving is not getting part of the debate? Well, he made the decision

:31:16.:31:21.

that the Cabinet could go their own way. That's not the point. I don't

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want to see blue on blue. But leave is the official campaign. We went to

:31:30.:31:34.

all the trouble of having a system, a process by which a leave campaign

:31:35.:31:39.

and remain campaign would be selected as being the campaign. ITV

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cannot then say we are going to stage a debate with the Prime

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Minister and somebody who doesn't represent the leave campaign.

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Because we know Mr Cameron wants to juxtapose himself with Nigel Farage

:31:55.:31:57.

because he thinks he wins that, not with Michael Gove or Boris Johnson?

:31:58.:32:02.

Yes. Should the broadcasters go along with that? Well, in a sense...

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No, they should not. You have been complaining about our need to be

:32:09.:32:12.

independent. But the broadcasters are being. I think the idea of the

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Wembley Arena is absolutely mad but the BBC have made it absolutely

:32:17.:32:20.

clear they are going to go ahead with it whether or not we like it.

:32:21.:32:27.

Mr Cameron won't take part in it. Gordon Brown was the only serving

:32:28.:32:32.

Prime Minister who ever agreed to go head-to-head at a general election.

:32:33.:32:34.

Because he knew he was going to lose. May well be the case. Channel

:32:35.:32:40.

4 News has led the way in this, we are going to lead on it tomorrow in

:32:41.:32:50.

the Daily Politics. Seven police forces have launched investigations

:32:51.:32:53.

into potential Conservative electoral fraud. The potential to

:32:54.:32:57.

become a scandal and today I think it was, the Tory Central Office

:32:58.:33:01.

couldn't get its response in in time, it's now in breach of court

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orders. You have blind sided me on this, I haven't followed this. You

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haven't? No. You have, Alan? No. It's about the allocation of

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expenses. There are national limits and there are local limits, and the

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Tories were bussing people in, financed centrally, staying

:33:26.:33:28.

overnight in hotels, it was claimed it was part of the national

:33:29.:33:31.

campaign. But they were out campaigning for the local MPs in

:33:32.:33:36.

marginal seats. I did see something about that, yes. Can we rerun the

:33:37.:33:45.

general election? Well, it could... Sadiq Khan off to a good start in

:33:46.:33:49.

London? Yes, I entirely agree with what Alan said. It's worth

:33:50.:33:56.

mentioning of course that he scored a handsome victory, Labour

:33:57.:33:59.

comfortably won in London, which of course makes Boris's triumph in the

:34:00.:34:03.

last two mayoral elections look all the more remarkable because I think

:34:04.:34:08.

London is basically a Labour city but Boris can argue he's an election

:34:09.:34:13.

winner. ? And Ruth Davidson's managed to reinvent the

:34:14.:34:15.

Conservatives in Scotland, who would have thought of that? ! Who, but

:34:16.:34:20.

she's done nit a stylish, individual way. She may have replaced the

:34:21.:34:23.

Conservative brand with her own brand. She may well have done, yes.

:34:24.:34:29.

It's going to be a long haul. I'm going up there tomorrow to launch

:34:30.:34:33.

our Labour in for Scotland with Kezia Dugdale and I'm glad she's

:34:34.:34:37.

hanging on because no-one was going to do any better. I understand that.

:34:38.:34:42.

Absolutely, but, you know, we have been through so many leaders, we

:34:43.:34:52.

have burnt through to many leaders. The point I was going to make is

:34:53.:34:56.

that if you do kind of essentially write off Scotland for 2020 or that

:34:57.:35:02.

you only make one or two MPs, you need a 13-point lead in England. I

:35:03.:35:07.

know. Huge. Without the boundary change. With Labour being third in

:35:08.:35:12.

Scotland, have having whatever it was, 55 seats before the last

:35:13.:35:14.

general election, it shows that absolutely anything can happen, it's

:35:15.:35:18.

such a volatile political situation. My advice to you is to catch up with

:35:19.:35:25.

Channel 4 News. Also watch the Daily Politics tomorrow. We'll be on the

:35:26.:35:28.

coat tails of Channel 4 News. Here on This Week,

:35:29.:35:33.

we like to think of ourselves as the epitome of cutting plugged

:35:34.:35:37.

into the political zeitgeist, feeding off the national cool grid

:35:38.:35:40.

down with the kids who are up Nobody doubts that where we lead,

:35:41.:35:43.

other's are bound to follow. So that's why we've decided to drop

:35:44.:35:46.

a Big Base Political Banger and put staying relevant in this week's

:35:47.:35:50.

Spotlight. She has bopped with the Beatles,

:35:51.:36:07.

pounded us with punk... The Ramones are here

:36:08.:36:10.

in the studio now. And introduced us to grime,

:36:11.:36:12.

dubstep and trap, whatever they are. Radio 1's longest serving

:36:13.:36:15.

DJ, Annie Nightingale, But is it hard to stay relevant

:36:16.:36:19.

for as long as she has? Now, if Jezza gets elected in 2020

:36:20.:36:26.

at the age of 70, he would be the oldest person ever

:36:27.:36:31.

to become Prime Minister But if the youth dig your vibe,

:36:32.:36:37.

does age really matter? We are going to fight

:36:38.:36:47.

for every last vote. Bernie Sanders' student-friendly

:36:48.:36:50.

campaign won him another primary this week, the Democrat hopeful

:36:51.:36:53.

taking West Virginia. Bernie would be America's oldest

:36:54.:36:56.

ever President, as would The Donald. As for Hillary, she would be

:36:57.:36:59.

the second oldest, behind current record-holder Ronald Reagan,

:37:00.:37:03.

proving that this year's candidates Meanwhile, City Hall is saying

:37:04.:37:08.

"cheerio" to an old Etonian and "hi" Regardless of Sadiq Khan's political

:37:09.:37:15.

party, could there be a more relevant choice for a modern,

:37:16.:37:21.

multicultural London than the son 51 years as a broadcaster

:37:22.:37:27.

and Annie Nightingale is still So whether it's in music,

:37:28.:37:34.

culture or politics, how do you stay relevant

:37:35.:37:38.

in an ever-changing world? Welcome to the programme Annie. I

:37:39.:37:53.

like the joke. You do? Yes. If I'd known, I'd have brought you some...

:37:54.:38:00.

We've got two jokes! Yes. I would have brought you some. Before we get

:38:01.:38:07.

on, what is a big base banger? This is a tune that has a lot of base

:38:08.:38:17.

beats in it. I start mine with three of them. It's very strong, three

:38:18.:38:23.

grab the audience. Quite right too, if only we had an audience to grab.

:38:24.:38:30.

I can help you out. Radio 1 since 1970. Yes. The tortoise is here. I

:38:31.:38:36.

was only 8 at the time, I remember! How have you managed to stay

:38:37.:38:40.

relevant? I'm fascinated by the music and the tortoise. It won't eat

:38:41.:38:46.

you. It's nice. It's going to give you a toe massage. How have you

:38:47.:38:53.

managed to keep relevant? Because I think I'm very genuinely interested

:38:54.:38:56.

in the way music develops and changes all the time. Because now

:38:57.:39:02.

you can make an album on your iPhone, anybody can do it. Don't

:39:03.:39:08.

encourage them? OK, I won't. Because it's so accessible now, there's so

:39:09.:39:11.

much, it can move very quickly, you don't need to be in Abbey Road

:39:12.:39:18.

studios any more to make an album but it means there's a lot more

:39:19.:39:22.

round and it's hard to be recognised. Do you move with the

:39:23.:39:25.

times consciously, have you done that, or does it happen naturally? I

:39:26.:39:33.

want to hear something I haven't said before and John Peel used to

:39:34.:39:37.

say that too and I couldn't put it better. I don't want to hear the

:39:38.:39:42.

same old same old, I want to hear something innovative, somebody doing

:39:43.:39:45.

something different and because it all moves so quickly now and because

:39:46.:39:51.

of the digital world we live in... Which makes it even quicker? Yeah,

:39:52.:39:55.

so somebody can put an element into a tune last week, by next week

:39:56.:39:59.

someone will have heard that, taken it, changed it round and moved it

:40:00.:40:03.

on. That's what continues to fascinate me. You have to want to

:40:04.:40:06.

move with the times. It's so easy for people to slip in and say, it

:40:07.:40:11.

was much better back then? Of course. For most people, when they

:40:12.:40:19.

are young is when music is most important to them. But we also have

:40:20.:40:25.

a generation now in its '60s which has grown up with music probably

:40:26.:40:29.

more important to that generation than any previous generation?

:40:30.:40:40.

Absolutely. Michael was around when Wagner first started. This is the

:40:41.:40:44.

first generation ever that's had this music all through its life and

:40:45.:40:47.

stuck with it and is rather proud of it? I think so. Do you know what's

:40:48.:40:54.

happening in California in October, it's a festival which is kind of an

:40:55.:41:00.

American Glastonbury. This year they'll have Calvin Harris and all

:41:01.:41:04.

the big pop star names of now. So what they've done is, they are going

:41:05.:41:18.

to have what they now call an old festival with Roger Waters, Bob

:41:19.:41:24.

Dylan and all the older ones. Do parents take them with them? Yes,

:41:25.:41:29.

it's fascinating to me. It proves the thing of, it's good to stick

:41:30.:41:33.

together. If you are a band, try and hold it together, stick together if

:41:34.:41:36.

you can because people like the Stones went through very bad years

:41:37.:41:49.

of being unpopular. We have sat on this furniture for 13 years, who'd

:41:50.:41:52.

have guessed that? This programme was supposed to be devised for a

:41:53.:41:57.

young audience and the average age of its presenters when we started

:41:58.:42:02.

was 50 plus now it's 60 plus. The audience was young when we started

:42:03.:42:08.

but got old! You have moved with times Alan haven't you? It's It's

:42:09.:42:13.

the point you make about music. If you are a reader and only ever read

:42:14.:42:19.

Dickens or troll lop, you are bound to listen to more modern music as

:42:20.:42:24.

well as read modern stuff. Annie is a great example of, you can't just

:42:25.:42:30.

say when you reach 60 you can only listen to dire states. Some people

:42:31.:42:37.

feel embarrassed to like certain things, they don't want to look like

:42:38.:42:42.

they are getting down with the kids. You are DJ-ing at a festival? Yes,

:42:43.:42:54.

How the Light Gets In. Hay-on-Wye. Yes.

:42:55.:42:56.

Now that's your lot for tonight folks.

:42:57.:42:59.

But not for us, because it's Unaccompanied Child Refugee

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At first we weren't going to go, as we didn't see the point.

:43:02.:43:06.

Then we found our moral backbone, did an abrupt U-turn,

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and decided we'd look bad if we didn't turn up so we're off.

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But we're hoping only a handful turn up.

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But we leave you tonight with our continent staring

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Because if the Eurovision Song Contest is, as they say,

:43:17.:43:20.

war by other means, then what you are about to see must

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Nighty night, don't let the full horror of the This Week entry bite.

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Thank you. My my At Waterloo. Napoleon did surrender. Oh yeah And

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I have met my destiny in quite a similar way. The history book on the

:43:55.:43:58.

shelf. Is always repeating itself. Waterloo. I was defeated you won the

:43:59.:44:15.

war. Oh, yeah. Waterloo. Promise you'll love me for ever more.

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welcome to the greatest city on earth,

:44:23.:44:28.

You've got the best view, my brother.

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Oh, I don't want to look! SCREAMING

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