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Tonight on this Week's Game of Thrones: | :00:09. | :00:13. | |
But say what you wish, there will always be battles | :00:14. | :00:20. | |
His Lordship, John Bird, tells us why the haves | :00:21. | :00:26. | |
There are no great victories for the poor to be seen in the flames. | :00:27. | :00:32. | |
And those who seek to help, give the wrong medicine. | :00:33. | :00:40. | |
Pomp and heraldry greeted the return of Queen Elizabeth II | :00:41. | :00:42. | |
to Westminster, but were all her subjects pleased? | :00:43. | :00:46. | |
Lord of the North, Andrew Rawnsley, is not impressed. | :00:47. | :00:50. | |
Lord Cameron of House Tory tried to distract his party | :00:51. | :00:52. | |
But by the old gods and the new, nothing could stop the blue | :00:53. | :00:58. | |
We resurrect top reptilian conspiracy theorist, | :00:59. | :01:11. | |
What am I doing on mainstream television? Did I come through the | :01:12. | :01:22. | |
wrong door? Who will be the one to lead us | :01:23. | :01:24. | |
through this endless night? Evenin' all, welcome | :01:25. | :01:27. | |
to This Week, the week And we can tell by the look | :01:28. | :01:43. | |
on your face that you're A king-size Whopper of a speech | :01:44. | :01:48. | |
with extra fries and a full-fat There are the usual Moaning Minnies | :01:49. | :01:55. | |
who say the referendum is proving a huge distraction from | :01:56. | :02:00. | |
the business of government. But just look at what Her Maj read | :02:01. | :02:02. | |
out yesterday and you'll see why Call-Me-Dave sacrificed a low-flying | :02:03. | :02:06. | |
career in public relations And why the Labour Party, | :02:07. | :02:09. | |
even led by a political Titan like Jezza, is facing a life-sapping | :02:10. | :02:15. | |
generation in opposition. You wanted a Small Charitable | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
Donations Bill, clarifying the rules concerning how charities | :02:21. | :02:23. | |
connected with community You called for a Cultural Property | :02:24. | :02:25. | |
Bill, to make dealing in cultural property illegally exported | :02:26. | :02:31. | |
from occupied territories And forget a third | :02:32. | :02:32. | |
runway at Heathrow - who needs that when | :02:33. | :02:41. | |
we're going to build You can hear them quaking | :02:42. | :02:43. | |
in Cape Canaveral as I speak. Who cares if Zac Goldsmith threatens | :02:44. | :02:52. | |
to resign and trigger This is progressive, | :02:53. | :02:55. | |
visionary, centrist Proof - if proof were needed - | :02:56. | :03:00. | |
that the Lib Dems Provided, of course, | :03:01. | :03:06. | |
you're not worried about the slowing of the economy, the condition | :03:07. | :03:12. | |
of the poor, the high budget deficit I don't think any of that rated | :03:13. | :03:15. | |
a mention. Speaking of a lack of ambition, | :03:16. | :03:22. | |
I'm joined on the sofa tonight by two Westminster duds we found | :03:23. | :03:24. | |
in the This Week toilets. Think of them as the suspect device | :03:25. | :03:27. | |
and the suspect package I speak, of course, of #fourpercent | :03:28. | :03:32. | |
Liz "Miserables" Kendall and #sadmanonatrain Michael | :03:33. | :03:37. | |
"Choo Choo" Portillo. Your moment of the week? I want to | :03:38. | :03:52. | |
pick up where you left off because the Queens speech was the moment of | :03:53. | :03:58. | |
the week. In 2015, a majority Conservative government was elected | :03:59. | :04:04. | |
for the first time since 1992. 23 years, we have waited with bated | :04:05. | :04:08. | |
breath for this. Now it comes forward with its Queens speech, | :04:09. | :04:12. | |
after 23 years of careful thought about what they would like to do | :04:13. | :04:16. | |
with office and power. And the answer is, there is nothing they | :04:17. | :04:21. | |
want to do with office or power. The Government is in total paralysis | :04:22. | :04:24. | |
because the only thing that matters to them now is saving the Prime | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
Minister's career, which is dependent only on winning the | :04:29. | :04:30. | |
referendum for the remainder campaign. And that majority that he | :04:31. | :04:36. | |
secured last year is all for nothing. The Government has nothing | :04:37. | :04:41. | |
to do, nothing to say and thinks nothing. Very well. He is not on the | :04:42. | :04:47. | |
fence. I am going to cheer everybody up. My moment of the week was | :04:48. | :04:51. | |
Monday's parade celebrating Leicester City's football club | :04:52. | :04:57. | |
winning the Premier League. It was amazing. I just thought I would rub | :04:58. | :05:03. | |
it in a little bit more. I think as Brits we are used to falling at the | :05:04. | :05:05. | |
last hurdle and something going wrong. But this time things did not | :05:06. | :05:11. | |
go wrong and I am very proud we worked so hard as a team. We didn't | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
give up, and despite all the odds, we won. For me, the taste of victory | :05:17. | :05:23. | |
was very sweet indeed. It was an amazing day for the city and I think | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
a lot of people in the country were happy and pleased. So a big night | :05:29. | :05:34. | |
for rugby union in Leicester. Oh, it was the round ball, was it? We will | :05:35. | :05:36. | |
have a kick about later. Now, in a week where Her Maj | :05:37. | :05:39. | |
outlined 21 new government Bills, what will any of them do to help | :05:40. | :05:41. | |
Britain's disadvantaged? Why is there still so much poverty | :05:42. | :05:44. | |
in this, the fifth largest economy in the world, | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
with its massive welfare state Here's Big Issue founder Lord John | :05:48. | :05:49. | |
Bird with his take of the week. It wasn't so long ago that | :05:50. | :06:13. | |
David Cameron, in a bid to leave some kind of legacy, | :06:14. | :06:16. | |
called for an all-out The right prescription but maybe | :06:17. | :06:18. | |
the wrong medicine. Because many of those who deliver | :06:19. | :06:24. | |
policies for the poor do so as if the poor are some | :06:25. | :06:27. | |
strange other species. We cannot assault poverty if those | :06:28. | :06:32. | |
suffering under it are seen We need to treat the poor as though | :06:33. | :06:48. | |
they have potential and the ability Unfortunately, the well-intentioned | :06:49. | :06:57. | |
hold them back. Government is often doing the wrong | :06:58. | :07:03. | |
thing, spending too much money on keeping people in poverty, | :07:04. | :07:06. | |
rather than getting them out. At times it seems like a conspiracy | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
of dunces, where they haven't joined It's those at the bottom of society | :07:12. | :07:14. | |
who are feeling the consequences. We fail people at school, | :07:15. | :07:22. | |
and often they end up in prison, or in A, as a result of self harm | :07:23. | :07:25. | |
or drink and drugs. And this week we've had | :07:26. | :07:32. | |
the Queens Speech outlining 21 bills, none of which will | :07:33. | :07:35. | |
help to dismantle poverty. It's a terrible tragedy, | :07:36. | :07:43. | |
but the thing is, unless you fare well on welfare, you can't | :07:44. | :07:46. | |
say farewell to welfare. Most importantly, we need to knock | :07:47. | :07:52. | |
on the head the abysmal failure to bring intelligence, | :07:53. | :07:55. | |
theirs or ours, to the problem. Because we have another problem | :07:56. | :08:01. | |
coming down the track, the young, middle-class people | :08:02. | :08:04. | |
lumbered with student debts and unable to buy houses | :08:05. | :08:06. | |
and raise their families. Each government says it's | :08:07. | :08:14. | |
going to end poverty, but now is the time | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
to actually get on with it. From Vauxhall City Farm | :08:19. | :08:27. | |
to our own little This Week pigsty, John, if you had been writing the | :08:28. | :08:41. | |
Queen's Speech and there was one thing you could do about poverty, | :08:42. | :08:45. | |
what would you have put into that speech? I would have demanded of the | :08:46. | :08:55. | |
poor and those people who are stuck in poverty, the postponement of, | :08:56. | :09:04. | |
what is the word, you know that word, postponement of... The benefit | :09:05. | :09:15. | |
cap? No, no. I would say that the poor need to learn what you have | :09:16. | :09:18. | |
learned and you have learned and I have learned, which is the fact that | :09:19. | :09:23. | |
you postpone the idea of gratification. And the unfortunate | :09:24. | :09:31. | |
thing is that all these people in the Labour Party and the | :09:32. | :09:34. | |
Conservative Party and everybody else, and what they are doing is | :09:35. | :09:37. | |
they are almost conspiring in keeping the poor poor. Because they | :09:38. | :09:42. | |
don't face up to the idea that living in poverty is a bit of a | :09:43. | :09:47. | |
killer. But I am sure by definition if you are poor you are pretty much | :09:48. | :09:53. | |
having to postpone gratification. Oui sorry. If you are poor, you do | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
not have much to gratify yourself in the first place. Is it the poor who | :09:58. | :10:07. | |
are to blame because they are poor? Who is talking about blame? We are | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
talking about a mechanism for getting out of poverty and all this | :10:12. | :10:14. | |
stuff about who to blame and who not to blame... The really important | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
thing is, do we allow the poor to carry on being poor, or do we allow | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
them to express themselves and move out of poverty? The most important | :10:24. | :10:28. | |
thing about the postponement of gratification is that Mr Portillo | :10:29. | :10:36. | |
and Liz Kendall, at some stage your family postpone gratification and | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
saved for the future. And they never do that because nobody ever allows | :10:42. | :10:49. | |
the poor to be like us. They look upon the poor as though the poor are | :10:50. | :10:56. | |
another species. Lives, what is the position of poverty in this country? | :10:57. | :10:59. | |
We were looking through some of the figures. -- Liz. Almost one third of | :11:00. | :11:06. | |
the population fell into a technical definition of poverty in the first | :11:07. | :11:10. | |
three years that David Cameron became Prime Minister but also those | :11:11. | :11:14. | |
who fall into poverty have a greater chance of seeing their fortune | :11:15. | :11:17. | |
improve than anywhere else in Europe. Surprising to me, persistent | :11:18. | :11:22. | |
poverty is the third lowest in Europe. What do you see as the | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
picture? It is clear that poverty can happen to many people. We tend | :11:28. | :11:31. | |
to discuss it as if it happens to other people but many people can | :11:32. | :11:35. | |
fall in and out of poverty. The biggest change has been the increase | :11:36. | :11:40. | |
in the number of working poor, and the endemic low pay in this country | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
is one of the underlying causes of poverty. Even though they are | :11:45. | :11:50. | |
working, they get trapped. Trapped on low wages. Even before the | :11:51. | :11:53. | |
financial crisis people were not seeing the benefit of growth in | :11:54. | :11:56. | |
their pay packet. You asked about one thing that would make a | :11:57. | :12:00. | |
difference in the Queen's Speech. I think the very early years of life, | :12:01. | :12:05. | |
when kids in my constituency start school, aged three and a half, but | :12:06. | :12:12. | |
develop between 15 and 20 months behind where they should be, they | :12:13. | :12:16. | |
play catch up for the rest of their lives. I would like to see | :12:17. | :12:19. | |
investment in the early years to halt kids start school ready to | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
learn, instead of an inheritance tax cut for the rich which entrenches | :12:24. | :12:27. | |
wealth and privilege. You would need more than the savings of the | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
inheritance tax cut. This government, and Gordon Brown before, | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
as Prime Minister and as Chancellor, always thought that work was the way | :12:38. | :12:41. | |
out of poverty. For many people it is. If work only takes you into the | :12:42. | :12:47. | |
working poor and you need tax credits to top it up, and if you | :12:48. | :12:51. | |
earn extra bed tax credits go and it is not worth your while, then we | :12:52. | :12:58. | |
have a working poor problem. What you said, if I understood correctly, | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
was that you thought aid for working people here is low by comparison | :13:03. | :13:06. | |
with other countries, which it certainly is not. The one thing the | :13:07. | :13:09. | |
Government has announced and has started to do is to increase the | :13:10. | :13:14. | |
minimum wage, which they call a living wage. The minimum wage will | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
be increased substantially. My prediction is that the main effect | :13:19. | :13:22. | |
will be to attract vast numbers of immigrants, because our pay is not | :13:23. | :13:25. | |
low by comparison with other countries. If you take the European | :13:26. | :13:31. | |
Union, within which we have free movement, Romanians, Bulgarians, | :13:32. | :13:33. | |
Spaniards for that matter are paid less than British people. But if you | :13:34. | :13:39. | |
think the problem is the amount working people are paid, that is | :13:40. | :13:42. | |
precisely what the Government has tackled in a way that no previous | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
government has set out to do. Have previous welfare reforms been a | :13:48. | :13:53. | |
mistake? People who should not have been put on social security are then | :13:54. | :13:59. | |
driven off at some stage when their lives have been destroyed by Social | :14:00. | :14:05. | |
Security. What happens with Social Security is that it really destroys | :14:06. | :14:10. | |
lives. I am not just talking about facts and figures but members of my | :14:11. | :14:14. | |
own family who have been caught in this terrible world, where you give | :14:15. | :14:19. | |
people Social Security, which you think is a good idea because you | :14:20. | :14:24. | |
don't want them back in the 1930s on the streets. But the real thing is | :14:25. | :14:28. | |
that it destroys their chance of ever moving and becoming a Michael | :14:29. | :14:30. | |
Portillo or whatever. But poverty was much worse when we | :14:31. | :14:42. | |
didn't have Social Security. I was born in abject poverty before the | :14:43. | :14:48. | |
days, before the welfare state, but the point is, it isn't so much | :14:49. | :14:53. | |
comparing it, it's about the fact that what happens when you say to a | :14:54. | :14:58. | |
person, you don't have to look after yourself. Somebody else will, with | :14:59. | :15:05. | |
the state or whether it's a religion or somebody else, and that really | :15:06. | :15:09. | |
does destroy the chances of getting out of poverty. The real problem is | :15:10. | :15:13. | |
that most of the people on the left and the liberal ascendancy really | :15:14. | :15:19. | |
don't like the idea of social mobility. They don't like the fact | :15:20. | :15:26. | |
that there is a lot of people who aspire to get out of poverty, | :15:27. | :15:32. | |
because the Polly Toynbees and the Wyn Joness and all these people, | :15:33. | :15:36. | |
what they really want is they want people to stay where they are, | :15:37. | :15:40. | |
because they are better with the poor than with people who get in and | :15:41. | :15:50. | |
join their cast. What supports John's point of view is that the | :15:51. | :15:53. | |
welfare budget has gone up and up every year, faster than most | :15:54. | :15:58. | |
European countries, and yet there are still plenty of people saying | :15:59. | :16:01. | |
that poverty is worse than ever. But that isn't true. More and more | :16:02. | :16:08. | |
people are caught in poverty. Whether it is true or not, it must | :16:09. | :16:12. | |
suggest that spending more money isn't the solution. Polly Toynbee | :16:13. | :16:19. | |
isn't here to defend herself. Over 60 years, the love -- the welfare | :16:20. | :16:26. | |
state, it started before the Second World War, but it would be took off | :16:27. | :16:31. | |
in the late 40s, so we have got over 60 years of it, 70 years. There is a | :16:32. | :16:37. | |
consensus that we need a welfare state, but as it has developed as | :16:38. | :16:41. | |
they been an element in which the welfare state, rather than solving | :16:42. | :16:48. | |
poverty, traps people in poverty? Without doubt, it does track people | :16:49. | :16:52. | |
in poverty, but I don't recognise everything you are saying, John. I | :16:53. | :17:00. | |
see my constituents, single parents who want to go back to work, maybe | :17:01. | :17:06. | |
get some training, maybe go to university, they can't keep the | :17:07. | :17:10. | |
benefits they pay the bills, but they want to better themselves and | :17:11. | :17:14. | |
get on but the system isn't flexible enough. We talk about welfare as if | :17:15. | :17:18. | |
it is all for working people. The vast bulk of it goes to older | :17:19. | :17:25. | |
people. I think we must take the two too often, and it is working people | :17:26. | :17:28. | |
who have borne the brunt of the cuts. -- we mistake the two. We need | :17:29. | :17:36. | |
to see a rebalancing of that situation. We must end there. Are | :17:37. | :17:44. | |
you going to join the House of Lords? I am not, because that is all | :17:45. | :17:49. | |
about today and I am about tomorrow. I am there to dismantle poverty. It | :17:50. | :17:51. | |
already tomorrow. Now, it's late - SNP | :17:52. | :17:52. | |
love triangle late - But don't let your urge | :17:53. | :17:55. | |
for no-strings independence with a tartan jihadist send | :17:56. | :17:57. | |
you to bed, because waiting Britain's leading conspiracy | :17:58. | :18:00. | |
theorist, author David Icke is here to reveal the dark | :18:01. | :18:05. | |
truth about This Week. And if you believe we're | :18:06. | :18:09. | |
a cunning plot to deceive On the Twit-Te-Woo, the Fleecebook, | :18:10. | :18:11. | |
SnapNumpty, the Massager and Gordon Brown's Scottish Web | :18:12. | :18:15. | |
Sphere... Now, with speculation | :18:16. | :18:22. | |
mounting as to the identity of the next James Bond, | :18:23. | :18:24. | |
a bookmaker was forced to suspend betting this week | :18:25. | :18:27. | |
after a substantial amount was placed on the actor | :18:28. | :18:29. | |
Tom Hiddleston. Exactly the same thing | :18:30. | :18:30. | |
happened here on This Week, when Diane Abbott left the show | :18:31. | :18:33. | |
and a huge wager was Michael, I hope you've not spent | :18:34. | :18:35. | |
all your winnings yet. Here's Rawnsley, Andrew Rawnsley, | :18:36. | :18:41. | |
licensed to thrill, with his political | :18:42. | :18:47. | |
round-up of the week. Just the usual, trying | :18:48. | :18:57. | |
to save the world from crazed megalomaniacs and their devilish | :18:58. | :19:26. | |
schemes to achieve And can you ask Q to have a look | :19:27. | :19:30. | |
in his cupboard of gadgets? I need some tranquilliser gas | :19:31. | :19:37. | |
cunningly disguised Q, Rawnsley wants more toys | :19:38. | :19:39. | |
to play with, again. David Cameron has refused to retract | :19:40. | :19:52. | |
what he said about your He says they were stupid, | :19:53. | :19:55. | |
they were divisive Number one, I'm not stupid, OK, | :19:56. | :19:59. | |
I can tell you that right now. In terms of divisive, | :20:00. | :20:07. | |
I don't think I'm divisive. I am a unifier, unlike our | :20:08. | :20:11. | |
President now. When I made the statement six months | :20:12. | :20:14. | |
ago, and there was a clamour only by the politicians, millions | :20:15. | :20:17. | |
of people were calling in saying, Donald Trump, the Man | :20:18. | :20:22. | |
With The Golden Rug. Ah, Miss Green, I barely recognised | :20:23. | :20:32. | |
you with your clothes on. Usual formula, then, | :20:33. | :20:37. | |
cheesy one-liners, miraculous Yes, this film does contain some | :20:38. | :20:39. | |
Boris Johnson. This discussion is bedevilled | :20:40. | :20:47. | |
by all sorts of artificial media twit storms and hysteria | :20:48. | :20:51. | |
of one kind or another. There is a very good argument | :20:52. | :20:55. | |
against the lack of Over the last 2000 years, | :20:56. | :20:57. | |
people have made repeated attempts The EU is a very different project | :20:58. | :21:02. | |
but it is profoundly anti-democratic and that's why you should | :21:03. | :21:07. | |
vote Leave on June 23rd. Hold on a minute, Boris, | :21:08. | :21:11. | |
you can't complain when people It was you who brought the Nazi | :21:12. | :21:13. | |
dictator into the debate I don't really understand what Boris | :21:14. | :21:19. | |
is up to, frankly. I know him, I like him, | :21:20. | :21:30. | |
he makes me laugh. And yet yesterday, about Hitler, | :21:31. | :21:33. | |
I find that deeply disturbing. I think the strain of the campaign | :21:34. | :21:38. | |
is beginning to tell on him. The Tory civil war on Europe is now | :21:39. | :21:41. | |
more vicious than the blade in Rosa Kleb's shoe, | :21:42. | :21:53. | |
or the teeth on Jaws. Getting it under control would be | :21:54. | :21:57. | |
beyond Her Majesty's top agent, The Prime Minister tried | :21:58. | :22:01. | |
to distract his party by despatching the Queen down to Parliament to read | :22:02. | :22:09. | |
out a legislative Northern powerhouse, | :22:10. | :22:11. | |
Anti-Extremism Bill, surveillance legislation, | :22:12. | :22:18. | |
prison reform. That cocktail of already familiar | :22:19. | :22:22. | |
ingredients left a few shaken We will scrutinise carefully | :22:23. | :22:24. | |
proposals to give prison It seems the policies of this | :22:25. | :22:34. | |
Government have been to give greater That is, the consequences | :22:35. | :22:41. | |
of overcrowding prisons and cutting one third of dedicated | :22:42. | :22:47. | |
prison officer positions. We welcome the proposals | :22:48. | :22:51. | |
to give greater time for education and reform | :22:52. | :22:55. | |
and reduce reoffending rates. I may be losing, but you know | :22:56. | :22:59. | |
diamonds are forever. But don't last quite as long | :23:00. | :23:03. | |
as a speech by the Labour leader. David Cameron responded | :23:04. | :23:07. | |
by suggesting that his rival's I have to say, Mr Speaker, | :23:08. | :23:09. | |
I think there is more chance of the Labour Party calling it a day | :23:10. | :23:15. | |
when he completes his And, Mr Speaker, I have been | :23:16. | :23:18. | |
doing my researches, too. And it may come sooner | :23:19. | :23:22. | |
than people think. He recently placed an advert | :23:23. | :23:25. | |
for a job in his office and it said, "Fixed term contract for the period | :23:26. | :23:28. | |
only that Jeremy Corbyn is the leader of the Labour Party, | :23:29. | :23:33. | |
or until the 31st of December 2016, Tempting fate a bit | :23:34. | :23:37. | |
there, Mr Cameron. If the Tory leader loses | :23:38. | :23:45. | |
the referendum, he will be the one You do know that some women | :23:46. | :23:48. | |
think all you 00 agents I am very sensitive | :23:49. | :23:54. | |
to that, Miss Green. I have been on my gender awareness | :23:55. | :24:01. | |
training. If you think the 00s | :24:02. | :24:05. | |
are sexist dinosaurs, what about the henchmen of Ukip | :24:06. | :24:07. | |
number one, Nigel Farage? Did you catch Neil Hamilton | :24:08. | :24:12. | |
insulting female Welsh nationalists? These two ladies have just made | :24:13. | :24:18. | |
themselves political And what a gruesome prospect | :24:19. | :24:20. | |
that must be. Hmm, I wouldn't exactly | :24:21. | :24:30. | |
describe him as "coalitious". I don't suppose there's much danger | :24:31. | :24:35. | |
of the Green Party bidding for world domination | :24:36. | :24:38. | |
in the foreseeable future. This week, Natalie Bennett, | :24:39. | :24:41. | |
their leader, announced I went back to the proposals I put | :24:42. | :24:44. | |
forward when I stood I said I wanted to grow the party, | :24:45. | :24:50. | |
make us a truly national party, to win our place | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
in the national debates. And I thought, I've | :24:56. | :24:59. | |
achieved those things. Do you know what, Miranda, | :25:00. | :25:03. | |
she has me converted. It's time to consider my carbon | :25:04. | :25:05. | |
footprint, the exotic locations, Do you fancy a glass | :25:06. | :25:09. | |
of carrot juice Special thanks to the wonderful team | :25:10. | :25:20. | |
at Les Ambassadeurs Club in Mayfair. And here to cash in her chips, | :25:21. | :25:37. | |
This Week's very own femme fatale, And the man many people are calling | :25:38. | :25:42. | |
"The New Nicola Sturgeon" - future SNP leader and possible | :25:43. | :25:46. | |
First Minister of Scotland, Michael, as we sit here tonight, how | :25:47. | :26:07. | |
would you categorise the standing of Mr Cameron and Mr Osborne in the | :26:08. | :26:13. | |
parliamentary Conservative Party? Well, there was an MP today who was | :26:14. | :26:18. | |
lamenting the divisive nature of the campaign as it's been conducted by | :26:19. | :26:24. | |
number ten, and I think that is the crucial point. Andrew Rawnsley a | :26:25. | :26:28. | |
moment ago was saying that Prime Minister will be in peril if he | :26:29. | :26:32. | |
loses the referendum. I think he is in peril if he wins it. He has | :26:33. | :26:36. | |
announced he isn't going to run for the general election. He is a very | :26:37. | :26:41. | |
divisive leader. Some people would say, since we are not going to fight | :26:42. | :26:44. | |
the next election with him, why would we wait for three years to | :26:45. | :26:48. | |
change the leader? At the moment, he has the upper hand, he is the Prime | :26:49. | :26:53. | |
Minister and he can bully people, but I think it is a short term | :26:54. | :26:57. | |
policy and it potentially has its comeuppance. I don't know what the | :26:58. | :27:00. | |
numbers are in the Parliamentary party but I think it is a reasonable | :27:01. | :27:07. | |
bet that about half the party are Leave rather than Remain, and that | :27:08. | :27:12. | |
is a lot of people to offend in one go. Because this referendum debate | :27:13. | :27:16. | |
has been kind of dominated by Tory civil war, that is where the | :27:17. | :27:20. | |
dynamics of the argument have overwhelmingly taken place, is this | :27:21. | :27:24. | |
referendum grabbing the country as a whole yet? I don't think so. I don't | :27:25. | :27:31. | |
hear people talking about the referendum, but I did do Question | :27:32. | :27:35. | |
Time a few weeks ago, your warm up act, and it was interesting because | :27:36. | :27:39. | |
the driver who took me there from the station told me that one of the | :27:40. | :27:43. | |
things that was going to be invoked for Brexit was the imposition of | :27:44. | :27:49. | |
strict bananas. -- going to make him vote. I said, you are journalistic | :27:50. | :27:53. | |
gold. I haven't met anybody who still believes that! You don't think | :27:54. | :28:01. | |
it is grabbing the nation yet? I don't get a sense that people are | :28:02. | :28:06. | |
engaged by it. I think they are scumed by it. -- scunnered by the | :28:07. | :28:19. | |
vacuous level of the debate. I think it has got very nasty. I noticed the | :28:20. | :28:23. | |
Prime Minister saying he wouldn't debate with Boris because he didn't | :28:24. | :28:28. | |
want it to turn into a Conservative psychodrama. They are trying to | :28:29. | :28:32. | |
avoid blue on blue. That may be right, but he did call the | :28:33. | :28:38. | |
referendum. Exactly. You could say that about the Germans, but they did | :28:39. | :28:45. | |
start it. And I mean by this, the Prime Minister started it by calling | :28:46. | :28:52. | |
the referendum. Absolutely, but also he has been trying to replay the | :28:53. | :28:56. | |
general election, safety first strategy, fear of something. Just | :28:57. | :29:04. | |
like the election. And an economic mood across the world, quite bleak | :29:05. | :29:09. | |
at the moment. Why don't they call it how it is on the kind of things | :29:10. | :29:16. | |
that Boris is saying? I listened to that excruciating interview with | :29:17. | :29:19. | |
Chris Grayling yesterday morning when he was asked if he found it | :29:20. | :29:24. | |
distasteful that Boris had made this comparison with Hitler and the | :29:25. | :29:29. | |
Nazis. Instead of saying, yes, it was really off-putting, next, and | :29:30. | :29:34. | |
move on, he had this curious verbal dance with John Humphreys. I think | :29:35. | :29:39. | |
that puts voters off. You ought to try interviewing him... I don't | :29:40. | :29:46. | |
agree that people are not thinking about it, having spent the last four | :29:47. | :29:50. | |
or five months canvassing, not just for Police and Crime Commissioners, | :29:51. | :29:56. | |
elections locally, but also asking the EU question. People know it is | :29:57. | :29:59. | |
coming and they have to start thinking about it. My concern about | :30:00. | :30:04. | |
this whole blue on blue row is not just bad this issue is bigger, far | :30:05. | :30:10. | |
bigger than who end up leading the Tory party, it is that, unless a | :30:11. | :30:15. | |
strong Labour case is heard by people, we will not get the Labour | :30:16. | :30:18. | |
vote out, which is crucial for Remain. I think there is a good hope | :30:19. | :30:24. | |
you will not get the Labour vote out. Can I have a go at the Boris | :30:25. | :30:27. | |
point? The problem with the European Union | :30:28. | :30:36. | |
is that it is an ideology, and they can be dangerous unless they are | :30:37. | :30:40. | |
democratically restrained. There is no democratic process in the | :30:41. | :30:44. | |
European Union and no plan for a democratic process. That is why this | :30:45. | :30:50. | |
ideology is dangerous. Ask the Greek people, who by their millions have | :30:51. | :30:54. | |
been put out of work, the Spanish who have been put out of work in | :30:55. | :30:57. | |
their millions because the ideology dictated that all the countries had | :30:58. | :31:02. | |
to be in the euro. The greatest example I saw in the United Kingdom | :31:03. | :31:07. | |
was Michael Heseltine, who insisted on interest rates going from 10% up | :31:08. | :31:14. | |
to 15% in September 1992, because the ideology dictated that we should | :31:15. | :31:17. | |
remain in the exchange rate mechanism. It did not matter that | :31:18. | :31:23. | |
mortgages would rise by 50% that day, because the eye geology | :31:24. | :31:31. | |
dictated it. Where do the Nazis come in? I have not introduced them. | :31:32. | :31:37. | |
Ideology unrestrained by democracy is dangerous. That is coherent and | :31:38. | :31:43. | |
fair. It is not my take but it is coherent and fair. What every | :31:44. | :31:48. | |
reasonable Person objects to is the theatrical and distasteful use of | :31:49. | :31:53. | |
the Nazis. I do not want another TV programme dominated by it. I have | :31:54. | :31:57. | |
done too many and I am bored with it. It seems to me that if you are | :31:58. | :32:01. | |
right that the referendum is not grabbing the public mood in the way | :32:02. | :32:07. | |
the Scottish referendum did, in an unprecedented way, the degree of the | :32:08. | :32:13. | |
public participating, that is good news for the Leeds side, because the | :32:14. | :32:17. | |
lower the turnout, the more likely they are to win. Leave. Absolutely. | :32:18. | :32:25. | |
Some of the strange things they have started to say, they have started to | :32:26. | :32:30. | |
raise this phantom second referendum. You wonder whether they | :32:31. | :32:34. | |
are cynically trying to depress the turnout, because the fewer people | :32:35. | :32:38. | |
that vote, the greater their chances. I don't think they are that | :32:39. | :32:43. | |
clever. The one thing that is clear in the Leave campaign is that it | :32:44. | :32:47. | |
stumbles from pillar to post. The remaining campaign is like a | :32:48. | :32:52. | |
juggernaut, bringing in the IMF. What will the turnout be? Very low, | :32:53. | :33:02. | |
I think. Old people who are anti-European will be motivated. Not | :33:03. | :33:07. | |
anti-European, but anti-European Union. Fun anti-European, too. They | :33:08. | :33:15. | |
will be motivated to turnout. The vote in Scotland will be higher than | :33:16. | :33:21. | |
in the rest of the UK. That is good for your side. And for democracy in | :33:22. | :33:26. | |
general. I think the turnout might be healthy in the end. I think | :33:27. | :33:33. | |
safety first will win. No idea, but we are busting a gut to get young | :33:34. | :33:38. | |
people registered to vote. Lots of students will have finished exams | :33:39. | :33:41. | |
and be going home and that is a big focus for the Remain campaign. I | :33:42. | :33:47. | |
don't think anybody has any idea which is why the opinion polls mean | :33:48. | :33:50. | |
nothing. If you don't know the turnout, you don't know anything. I | :33:51. | :33:56. | |
think it will be less than the general election, which was 66%. The | :33:57. | :34:01. | |
75 referendum was lower than the two elections in 74. Anything below 60 | :34:02. | :34:09. | |
helps Leave, big-time. Anything above 60 helps Remain. Thank you. | :34:10. | :34:14. | |
And whatever happened to Biggie, Tupac and Diane Abbott - | :34:15. | :34:19. | |
or the far left's eulogising of Venezuela's socialist revolution? | :34:20. | :34:23. | |
The world is full of mystery, intrigue and strange goings-on. | :34:24. | :34:26. | |
For example, in last year's Labour leadership election, | :34:27. | :34:28. | |
4.5% of Labour members and supporters voted for Liz Kendall | :34:29. | :34:33. | |
- an unexplained phenomenon that still puzzles many of us | :34:34. | :34:36. | |
And that's why we're putting conspiracy theories | :34:37. | :34:43. | |
Is BoGo paranoid, or was the Prime Minister plotting to keep | :34:44. | :34:56. | |
It is the biggest stitch-up since the Bayeux tapestry. | :34:57. | :35:02. | |
A leaked letter this week suggests Call-Me-Dave was planning | :35:03. | :35:04. | |
his campaign in secret, while publicly saying | :35:05. | :35:06. | |
he was prepared to leave the EU, during his renegotiation. | :35:07. | :35:11. | |
In a debate already dominated by hyperbole, both sides are now | :35:12. | :35:14. | |
accusing each other of peddling conspiracy theories. | :35:15. | :35:18. | |
So was the Chancellor simply trying to discredit his rivals by claiming | :35:19. | :35:21. | |
The next thing we know, the Leave camp will be accusing us | :35:22. | :35:27. | |
of faking the moon landings, kidnapping Shergar and | :35:28. | :35:29. | |
covering up the existence of the Loch Ness Monster. | :35:30. | :35:36. | |
JFK, the moon landings, Area 51 - some conspiracy theories | :35:37. | :35:39. | |
are certainly out there, but who says a cover-up has | :35:40. | :35:42. | |
Calls are now mounting for an enquiry into the 1984 Battle | :35:43. | :35:48. | |
of Orgreave, while the victims of the Hillsborough tragedy | :35:49. | :35:50. | |
were certainly conspired against by the powers that be. | :35:51. | :35:57. | |
He's been called a lot more than a conspiracy | :35:58. | :35:59. | |
You know, 2000 years ago, had a guy called Jesus sat | :36:00. | :36:06. | |
here and said these same things, you would still be laughing. | :36:07. | :36:10. | |
Though sold-out stadium lectures don't lie. | :36:11. | :36:12. | |
David Icke knows how to grab your attention. | :36:13. | :36:15. | |
But even if our lives are affected by invisible forces, | :36:16. | :36:18. | |
the question remains, is the word "conspiracy" | :36:19. | :36:22. | |
Would you describe yourself as a conspiracy theorist? Well, I look at | :36:23. | :36:44. | |
what officialdom tells us is happening and I check it out. And if | :36:45. | :36:49. | |
you can back that up with information, it is not a theory. And | :36:50. | :36:54. | |
there are situations where you think, this could be this or that, | :36:55. | :36:58. | |
that could be happening. That is a theory. But much of it is backed up | :36:59. | :37:03. | |
by hard factual information. Interestingly, when you look at the | :37:04. | :37:08. | |
dictionary definition of the very word "Conspiracy", we are drowning | :37:09. | :37:14. | |
in them. One, the action of plotting or conspiring. That is happening all | :37:15. | :37:20. | |
the time. Give me an example of a conspiracy. Ironically, we had | :37:21. | :37:25. | |
George Osborne this week trying to ridicule conspiracies involving the | :37:26. | :37:28. | |
EU by likening them to believing in the Loch Ness Monster. And in the | :37:29. | :37:33. | |
same week, we have the Daily Mail exposing the Prime Minister for | :37:34. | :37:39. | |
conspiring, in effect, with big business, to frighten the public | :37:40. | :37:44. | |
into staying in the EU while publicly, to Parliament as well, | :37:45. | :37:51. | |
saying that he would come out if the negotiations, renegotiations did not | :37:52. | :37:57. | |
work. That is a conspiracy. Is it? Is it not politicians just doing the | :37:58. | :38:01. | |
time-honoured thing of being less than honest? Well, if you are | :38:02. | :38:05. | |
telling the public that you will have the option of coming out if you | :38:06. | :38:10. | |
do not renegotiate with the EU the way you want, and you then don't do | :38:11. | :38:15. | |
that, and at the same time you are telling the public in Parliament | :38:16. | :38:18. | |
that, you are working with big business behind-the-scenes already | :38:19. | :38:24. | |
to frighten the public into staying in. Even though the renegotiation is | :38:25. | :38:28. | |
not finished. That is a conspiracy to mislead the public. What other | :38:29. | :38:35. | |
conspiracies should we worry about? Well, what we are looking at all the | :38:36. | :38:42. | |
time our conspiracy after conspiracy coming to light, while the idea and | :38:43. | :38:50. | |
the very word conspiracy is demonised. For instance, we have a | :38:51. | :38:54. | |
situation with this Chilcot Inquiry where we are going to see, indeed | :38:55. | :39:00. | |
the information has a ready come out, that the Prime Minister of the | :39:01. | :39:05. | |
time, Tony Blair and George Bush and the administrations, lied to us to | :39:06. | :39:15. | |
justify an invasion of Iraq. And that is a conspiracy that has cost | :39:16. | :39:21. | |
the lives of staggering numbers of people and created an ongoing | :39:22. | :39:24. | |
catastrophe that is still going on. And let's not forget this, the very | :39:25. | :39:30. | |
same people, not just the same agencies, the same people that told | :39:31. | :39:36. | |
us there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when they knew | :39:37. | :39:39. | |
there were not, those very same people gave us the official story of | :39:40. | :39:46. | |
9/11. So was 9/11 a conspiracy? Of course. Who was behind it? Well, in | :39:47. | :39:55. | |
the time we have here, it is very difficult, but there is a network | :39:56. | :39:58. | |
that works through government agencies, through organisations like | :39:59. | :40:04. | |
the CIA, etc, to push an agenda on the world which is unfolding by the | :40:05. | :40:08. | |
day. My books in the 1990s laid out what this agenda was, and those | :40:09. | :40:16. | |
books are now being read on the television news in changes in | :40:17. | :40:19. | |
society and laws coming in. This is the point. The mainstream media has | :40:20. | :40:25. | |
accepted that those characters, those same characters lied about | :40:26. | :40:31. | |
Iraq, but will not question in any way the same people's version of | :40:32. | :40:36. | |
9/11. They are journalists. It's their job. Do you still think the | :40:37. | :40:41. | |
royal family worship shifting lizards? Yes, I do. And you want us | :40:42. | :40:49. | |
to believe 9/11 is a conspiracy. Other not undermine it? No. I can | :40:50. | :40:57. | |
see that you might question 9/11 but if you think Buckingham Palace is | :40:58. | :41:01. | |
inhabited by lizards... It is not that simple. There is a whole big | :41:02. | :41:07. | |
back story before you get to what I am saying. If you deliver it in one | :41:08. | :41:11. | |
line, the world is run by lizards, you meet on one level, that crazy, | :41:12. | :41:16. | |
reflex action. But when you see the back story and the evidence to | :41:17. | :41:21. | |
support it, ancient and modern, you see that throwaway line in a | :41:22. | :41:26. | |
completely different context. Have you ever believed in a conspiracy | :41:27. | :41:33. | |
theory? No, I haven't. But I think David Aaronovitch is interesting on | :41:34. | :41:39. | |
this. He says that, paradoxically, we keep obsessing about conspiracies | :41:40. | :41:43. | |
because somehow it is actually reassuring to think that there is | :41:44. | :41:50. | |
some rate network of purpose, when in fact the world is chaotic and | :41:51. | :41:56. | |
random and terrible things happen. And we cannot get our heads round | :41:57. | :42:02. | |
it. As a journalist, I would love to believe in conspiracy theories | :42:03. | :42:05. | |
because they are better stories, but enormous everything I have | :42:06. | :42:09. | |
investigated, Kockott is a better explanation. People put a lot of | :42:10. | :42:14. | |
work into conspiracy theories, but I think they are intellectually lazy. | :42:15. | :42:20. | |
I think people just do not want to get their head around the way things | :42:21. | :42:25. | |
actually work. That said, firstly, a lot of people are gullible about | :42:26. | :42:29. | |
conspiracies. The police were gullible about the Downing Street | :42:30. | :42:35. | |
paedophile ring. On the other hand, there clearly was a conspiracy over | :42:36. | :42:39. | |
Hillsborough, and over 28 years people denied there was a conspiracy | :42:40. | :42:46. | |
but there was. My last book is 1000 pages. Have you read any of my | :42:47. | :42:52. | |
books? No. How do you know it is intellectually lazy? I wasn't | :42:53. | :42:57. | |
talking about you, I meant members of the public who immediately latch | :42:58. | :43:03. | |
onto a conspiracy as the most reasonable explanation of a simple | :43:04. | :43:08. | |
situation. How do we know you are not a conspiracy to make us believe | :43:09. | :43:13. | |
in conspiracies? People must believe what they like. It is simple. You | :43:14. | :43:18. | |
look at information and make a decision on what you think of it. | :43:19. | :43:24. | |
But if no one is investigating what governments and authorities are | :43:25. | :43:26. | |
saying with a view to whether it is true or not, then what chance have | :43:27. | :43:33. | |
people got to see information that they can then make a decision on? | :43:34. | :43:38. | |
All that they are getting is the mainstream repeat, repeat, repeat | :43:39. | :43:44. | |
version of everything. In my career, everything I know has been | :43:45. | :43:47. | |
investigated and we go by the facts. What are you up to these days? I | :43:48. | :43:53. | |
have a new book out and I am going on a world tour call over the world. | :43:54. | :43:58. | |
That shows how many people are looking at this. | :43:59. | :44:01. | |
But not for us, because it's Doncaster Power List night | :44:02. | :44:05. | |
at Lou Lou's, and we're off to dance the night away with the real | :44:06. | :44:09. | |
movers-and-shakers - and Ed Miliband. | :44:10. | :44:10. | |
But we leave you tonight with an exclusive. | :44:11. | :44:12. | |
Despite the fact that the Supreme Court has ruled today upholding | :44:13. | :44:14. | |
the injunction that prevents us naming a celebrity couple involved | :44:15. | :44:17. | |
in an illicit affair, we are prepared to challenge that | :44:18. | :44:19. | |
decision and reveal the identity of the three people involved. | :44:20. | :44:22. | |
We realise this might mean we go to jail, but viewers have a right | :44:23. | :44:25. | |
to know what these sleazy degenerates have been getting up | :44:26. | :44:27. | |
Nighty night, don't let the menage a trois bite. | :44:28. | :44:34. | |
# One, two, three Come fly with me | :44:35. | :44:36. | |
# One, two, three You, me and he | :44:37. | :44:49. | |
# Would you like to threesome with me?# | :44:50. | :45:34. | |
I think they'll take it this year. Yeah. Yeah. | :45:35. | :45:35. | |
I think we're in for a real cracker. | :45:36. | :45:36. | |
This could be the game of the season. | :45:37. | :45:39. |