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Male Model of the Year, Ken Livingstone, tells us

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why his buddy and Islington's style icon will hold on to

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When he wins, it's time for a new wardrobe.

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We should start deselecting those who don't get on board.

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The fashion industry has been behind every major political assassination

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He's been strutting the political catwalk at London Fashion Week.

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And I'll be looking at the Lib Dems through the style lens,

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And wannabe political pin-up, UB40 drummer Jimmy Brown,

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I'm only here cos I'm in the doghouse.

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Yes, This Week is back, and we're hotter than ever.

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Yes, we're back after an eventful summer in which ex-PM Call-Me-Dave

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announced he was also stepping down as an MP to spend more

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time with his family, as long as he can remember which pub

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Jezza, the once and future leader of Labour, was criticised for saying

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he would not invoke Nato's Article 5 triggering a military

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response should Russia invade the Baltic States.

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But surely from Jezza's point of view he's right.

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Russia won't need Britain's help to conquer Lithuania.

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A new character filled the airwaves for several weeks this summer called

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Apparently he's part of an outreach programme for young migrant men.

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That's J-I-M and his tumble driers are really big.

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I, myself, have been part of this humane programme and spent much

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of the summer meeting Romanian immigrants posing as John the Car

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All went fine until they tried to drive away in their cars.

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In other news, the air has been thick with the products of selective

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schools warning us of the evils of selective schools

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while sending their own little darlings to selective schools.

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Surely social services should be intervening to stop such cruelty.

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But most of all, we're delighted to have you back,

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dear viewer, because we discovered this summer that we have a rival

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Yes, Diane Abbott, aka Madame Mao, who we always thought

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hailed from this manor, revealed to the Nigerian Guardian,

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a must-read around these parts, that she had a late-Thursday-night

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It's been going for 13 years and is really rather

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We're just relieved some of you are still watching us!

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Speaking of those who live in a fantasy world, we're joined

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by two MPs who thought they had a career in politics.

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One-time agony aunt and Labour MP, Lisa #northernsoul Nandy and former

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Tory Culture vulture, Ed #maroonedcamerooned Vaizey.

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Your moment of the week? It has been a bit of a bitty week. So I picked

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out, so fish and, as I am an Oxford MP, that Oxford University came top

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of a survey of the best universities in the world. It is a times higher

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education supplement survey and it is the first time a British

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university has come top. It is a great thing for Britain, but also

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the whole Brexit Remainer debate will take this, and they will say,

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yes, Oxford is great because it is open to the world and has research

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from all over the world and Brexit will destroy it. And those who

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support Brexit will say, stop talking down Britain, we have the

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best university in the world, all these amazing assets and we can go

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and trade with the world. There was not a single non-British EU

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university in the top 30. Cambridge and imperial were also in the top

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ten. There are very few good European universities. They have

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some big problems. The other thing was a lot of Chinese universities

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now entering. And getting better. Lisa. Mary Berry. It has to be,

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hasn't it? It was huge. For anyone who has missed it, she is not moving

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with Bake Off to Channel 4, so basically it looks like Channel 4

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have spent ?75 million on a tent and Paul Hollywood. When you do these

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negotiations, surely you make sure, because these shows are led by the

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talent, unlike this programme which is held back by its talent. Surely

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part of the deal is that you lock in the talent to move with the show. It

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is strange because three of four presenters are going, but apparently

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they are getting a new BBC show. Maybe this show needs a bit of

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sprucing up and we'll be getting a new presenter. It has been 13 years

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since I have been on this show and it has struggled hugely. I was on

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the previous show. Now I am back, it might... You want to bring back the

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midnight hour. A woman presenter may be, someone with some baking

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experience. I might call Channel 4 and see if there are any vacancies.

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How much do you think Channel 4 would buy this programme for? And

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would they want to keep you? Enough of this foolishness. I think I need

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to get an agent. You are not doing much these days!

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Now, what do the words "automatic reselection" mean to you?

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Perhaps it's replacing Michael with Ed Vaizey

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on the This Week sofa, or swapping the shortbread

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in your diet for a sugar-free alternative.

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But for the Labour Party, deselection is an idea

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With Mr Corbyn looking likely to be re-elected by an even bigger

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majority than his first victory only a year ago, calls for more centrist

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Labour MPs to be deselected are gaining momentum.

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So is this the end of the Labour Party as we know it,

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Here's veteran Labourite Ken Livingstone with his Take

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Well, no matter how you spice it up, it's hard to make the present

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situation in the Labour Party look terribly attractive.

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These backstabbing MPs have had the right to challenge Jeremy.

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Why can't they be challenged with reselection in the run-up

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The simple fact is, every politician in America is subject to a primary

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before they can stand for their party, and I don't think

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anyone thinks America is a communist society.

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20 years ago when I was the MP in Brent East, the right wingers

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I thought they had a right to do that, so I don't know why

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An MP's seat shouldn't be a job for life.

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And when you have MPs saying Jeremy isn't fit to govern,

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they can't complain if people want to get rid of them.

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The simple fact is that when we criticised Tony Blair

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We weren't challenging him as a person.

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These embittered old Blairites can't stand the fact that Jeremy's

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bringing back democracy to the party, not just allowing them

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to actually decide who they want as a candidate, but also a say

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in policy and a say in the election of the Shadow Cabinet.

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It's madness to say that the PLP should elect the Shadow Cabinet,

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because it's the most right wing PLP we've ever had.

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All through the Blair and Brown years, local parties weren't allowed

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They had to pick from an approved list.

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So you got stuck with Douglas Alexander,

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Jeremy's going to win by a landslide on Saturday and I think that'll be

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the most significant event in human history since our ancestors came

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The Labour Party isn't going to split.

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These embittered old Blairites remember when the SDP

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Giants - Roy Jenkins, Shirley Williams, David Owen -

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the whole country knew who they were but they were completely wiped out

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And the people stabbing Jeremy in the back now,

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Although the party isn't going to split, Jeremy's re-election

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is the right time to crack down on those who are undermining us

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and helping the Tories soar ahead in the polls.

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With thanks to the Red Rose Tandoori on Holloway Road.

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And Ken Livingstone, who's so old Labour he's brand

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Welcome back to the programme. Lisa, if Mr Corbyn wins big on Saturday,

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does that start the healing process, or does it leave Labour more divided

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than ever? It depends how we respond to it. If he wins again, then it's

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obviously incumbent on everybody in the Parliamentary Labour Party to

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accept that result and to try to be constructive and make it work. And

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it's incumbent on the leadership to reach out to parts of the party that

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have lost faith, and to think seriously about how we move forwards

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and we win a general election. For me, that's got to start with

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something that is the opposite of what Ken was arguing for, which is

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about right to calm down the debate, stop prattling deselection and

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talking about backstabbers and that kind of violent, abusive language

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and start thinking seriously about how we move forwards and become not

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just a decent opposition but a genuine alternative. It is kind of

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hard to see peace breaking out if there is going to be a raft of

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deselection attempts. When we introduced automatic deselection in

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the 1980s, there was a handful, not more than five MPs got deselected. I

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just think it's a principle. I did not object when right put candidates

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against me for recent election. You have a right to do that. I have

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always been in favour of this. The vast majority of MPs will get behind

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Jeremy because they want to win the next election. We have to start

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focusing on economic policy, not the trivia. But there will be a group

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that are still grumpy. Should they be deselected, and would they only

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have themselves to blame? They only have themselves to blame. There has

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been real shock amongst party members that all of this new

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election campaign has been triggered. We elected Jeremy a year

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ago. Virtually nearly 60% of the vote. Did you not want annual

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elections at one stage? I'm a one of them. We have all had lots of

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different opinions in the past. In the old days, it could be done quite

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quickly. Now, it is incredibly expensive. This must be costing ?1

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million at least. And time-consuming. Will the majority of

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Labour MPs rally round Jeremy Corbyn? I have not met a single

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person in the Parliamentary Labour Party, all members, who want to see

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the Labour Party split. The only way forward for Labour, whoever wins, is

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to be constructive and create a less toxic environment in which we can

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listen to each other and learn from one another. Would you rejoin the

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Shadow Cabinet? It is pretty unlikely for a number of reasons.

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Assuming this outbreak in an era of new feelings in the Labour Party,

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let's assume you are asked, would you accept? I think it is unlikely.

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I am asking if the unlikely becomes, if it actually happens, would you

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accept? I am trying to answer the question. Ken has said the

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disagreements were always over policy that I did not resign because

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of policy. I resigned when it became clear at a meeting I had with him

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and John McDonnell that they saw this as a war in which dissenting

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voices needed to be silenced. I am just looking for a simple answer,

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yes or no? I would join a Shadow Cabinet, a genuine team working

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together and debating the future of the party. I am not interested in

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joining a fan club. I think that is a No. I hope that Lisa will join.

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When Jeremy one, he reached out to a lot of people that disagree with him

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politically. My wife and I went out for a meal with Jeremy years ago and

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on the way home she said, that's the nicest man I've ever met in my life.

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I thought, thanks! This is the thing. Jeremy is genuinely a nice

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person. He is desperate to reach out and bring them back and if they say

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no, it is wrong. This is too easy for your lot. It is a disaster for

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democracy and the Labour Party. I don't think the Labour Party will

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split, but Corbyn is will be tested to destruction. Labour will lose

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badly at the next election, whenever it is, probably 2020 Jeremy Corbyn

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on as leader. I think that is what will happen, and at that point

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hopefully the Labour Party will find a leader who can lead them out of

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this wilderness they have wandered into. Because it is very bad for the

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country and very bad for a great party, which has been destroyed from

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within. What does it mean when Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell

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talk about mobilising a mass movement beyond parliament? We are

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never going to win an election because of their coverage in

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newspapers. It is overwhelmingly hostile. The way we can win is by

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building a good grass -- grass-roots machine. When I lost my last

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election to Boris, the polls had him up to 12 points ahead, but in the

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end it was only 3%. That was not because the polls were wrong. We

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built a really good machine, with thousands of people getting the vote

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out. That is the most important thing in winning. But where is the

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evidence that Mr Corbyn could win the next election? I would not have

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voted for him if I did not think he could win. The evidence is on the

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economic policy. He has broken from the Blairite nonsense of the

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neoliberal economic agenda. It is about investment, rebuilding the

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manufacturing base, modern, high-tech industries and building

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council homes that our children can afford to live in.

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We were saying that at the last general election and it was roundly

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accepted by the general public. I don't think that programme was

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wrong, we failed to convince people. One of reasons we failed to convince

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people wasn't because we weren't knocking on enough doors but because

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we hadn't built a broad alliance that could reach into different

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parts of the country. That's why Sadiq at the moment is... You mean

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the London Mayor? Most successful Labour politician in the country,

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he's created that broad alliance. People ask what did the last Labour

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Government do for me. Ed Miliband was bearing the brunt. We didn't

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build council housing and didn't restructure the economy away from

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the... Well All of that I agree with, but we brought in the minimum

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wage which completely transformed the prospects for a lot of my

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constituents in Wigan. Cameron said we didn't fix... We built the

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buildings from the ground up and made sure we invested in people. It

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made a huge difference. Without your kind of person around the Labour

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Party, Labour won three elections in a row. Can you really win another

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election by essentially running against the record of the last

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Labour Government? I think you have got to admit we made a lot of

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mistakes. All Governments do. Yes, but the key ones we didn't

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restructure our economy, we carried on in awe of the bankers. That's the

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anger people feel. What other major Western economy has reversed the

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decline in the manufacturing industry? Precisely - that's why...

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You mean there isn't one? That's why... You mean there isn't one? No,

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no. The manufacturing industry does decline, it's a feature of advanced

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economies. There is hi-tech modern manufacturing. It's not that big.

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Five times the amount to China that we do. Germany's never allowed the

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bankers to run their economy. Can you win with, well the trouble

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Deutsche Bank is in right now, but can you win with Jeremy Corbyn? We

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can win. Will you win? If we start talking a seriously about what the

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future of the economy looks like. We have got to get beyond the

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anti-austerity slogan which captures a lot of the anger, as Ken said. We

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need to start thinking about where are the jobs for the future coming,

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not just about re-opening the coal mines but let's start thinking about

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how we create clean energy jobs. We shall see, Ken Livingstone, thank

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you very much. We got through nine minutes without mentioning Hitler,

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oh I think I just did. Do you want me to respond? No! Because it's

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Too-late-to-vote-for-Jeremy-Corbyn late.

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But don't despair, because if Owen Smith's

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not your cup of tea, waiting in the wings, we've got

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But not before we've had a drum roll for Jimmy Brown, the man

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But he's not with band mate Ali Campbell tonight,

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The lead singer of UB40 left in 2008.

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Who better then to put break-up and moving on under the spotlight?

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And if this labour of love isn't enough for you, don't forget

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there are more promises and lies on Twitter,

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the Fleecebook and David Cameron's websphere, wherever that may be.

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Now, it may have escaped your notice but it's

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Our Ed's been enjoying himself, rather too much if you ask me,

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modelling Jean Paul Gaultier's new range for Speedo.

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If only Theresa had seen the snaps, she might well have kept him

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Meanwhile, our Lisa's been a big hit, attempting to bring

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that much maligned fashion statement the shell suit

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back into vogue, in a blatant attempt to ingratiate

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Here's Quentin Letts with this week's Roundup.

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But that's just not Brad's look this season.

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It's London Fashion Week, and those dedicated followers

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of fashion, the Liberal Democrats, have been

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This autumn conference collection of ideas focused on handing power

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When Theresa May does agree a deal with the European Union,

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Not a rerun of the referendum, not a second referendum,

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but a referendum on the terms of the as yet unknown Brexit deal.

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And if the Tories say, we've had enough referendums,

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And they weren't shy about showcasing some classic

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We will offer a new deal for health and social care,

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honest about the cost, bold about the solution.

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And if the only way to fund a health service that meets the needs

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of everyone is to raise taxes, Liberal Democrats will raise taxes.

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Nick Clegg reassured delegates the Tories were up a Brexit

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creek without a paddle, a canoe or a map.

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But he also managed to squeeze in some book signing.

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Shunning London's fashionistas, style icon Theresa May flew

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No, she was not launching her own brand of kitten heels.

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She was making her first speech as Prime Minister

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to the United Nations General Assembly.

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She set out proposals aimed at stopping uncontrolled

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In addition to refugees and displaced people fleeing

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conflict and persecution, we are seeing an unprecedented

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movement of people in search of greater economic opportunities

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This affects all of us and it is the responsibility of us

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We cannot ignore this challenge or allow it to continue unmanaged.

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New Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson just can't stay out

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Cameras at the United Nations caught him playing around

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on his telephone when he should have been listening to the Prime

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Some people suggested Boris might have been playing Pokemon.

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I suspect he was writing his speech for the Tory party conference.

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London Mayor Sadiq Khan was also in New York this week

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and was pressed again about Donald Trump's views on Islam.

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Did he still think they were ignorant?

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It is possible to be a Westerner and a Muslim.

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It is possible to have multiple layers of identity.

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I don't want to have a bust up with Donald Trump,

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but my point was, look, you are standing to be the most

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powerful person in the world, the President of the USA.

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The rest of the world looks upon you with admiration

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as a country and I think running for the office brings

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Yes, it's the Lib Dem conference, yes, it's London Fashion Week,

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and yes, fashion god and goddess Brangelina have split.

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But the only game in town this week is the Labour leadership contest.

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Original socialist supermodel Jeremy Corbyn, and then the bookies'

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I'm still going to be fighting right up to the last minute for every

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single vote and I still think we've got an opportunity

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to save the Labour Party, to stop this infighting,

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to stop groups like Momentum seeking to undermine MPs at Westminster

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and get back to what we need to be, which is a united and effective

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Labour's ruling body, the NEC, met this week to discuss

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whether or not MPs should elect a Shadow Cabinet.

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Mr Corbyn wanted members to have a say, but the PLP, the

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The meeting went on for eight and a half hours and they

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Eight and a half hours, I know!

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That's as long as it takes Andrew Neil to do his make up.

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But what is it that you're looking for?

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Is it the ensemble that will last all seasons?

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Then you've come to the Corbyn capsule ready-to-wear

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Sadly, for everyone, it's the same Jeremy Corbyn.

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The same Jeremy Corbyn who's been through the last year, indeed

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I do know a lot of these people extremely well.

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I understand the strengths and the passions that many have,

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and I invite them, if I get a second mandate on Saturday morning,

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to come on board, work together, as we have in the past

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There is only one way forward that can bring us a Labour government

:25:57.:26:02.

and that is working together to challenge the Tories

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Does high fashion mean anything to the man and woman in the street?

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Mere mortals just marvel at the spectacle, and Labour

:26:11.:26:18.

in Liverpool this week, when they finally decide

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And I'm delighted to be joined by Nigel Farage,

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who promises he'll never be leader of Ukip ever ever again.

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Miranda promises she'll never ever be leader of Ukip either, so does

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Nigel Farage! I'm happy with that. With Labour

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moving to the left, theoretically, this should be through the centre

:27:28.:27:33.

the Liberal Democrats comeback route. Why does it not feel like

:27:34.:27:38.

that? Well, that is the absolutely key question for them and in

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Brighton, at the same time as a cheered up feeling about lots and

:27:44.:27:49.

lots of new members, you know, every Thursday, they are kind of whacking

:27:50.:27:53.

Labour in a council by-election, but, you know, the national poll

:27:54.:27:57.

rating is totally where it was two years ago. It's stuck on seven or

:27:58.:28:03.

eight, so there's this feeling of consciousness that this could be a

:28:04.:28:08.

great opportunity for the party, but have they got the ear of those

:28:09.:28:14.

moderate Labour voters who might feel disenfranchised. I do think

:28:15.:28:17.

they are hoping for another little membership boost after Saturday. Do

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the Liberal Democrats have any act tractions for you? No. Sorry. But

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you came to the conference and everybody loved you. Perhaps. I came

:28:28.:28:31.

to the conference on Sunday to remind those Lib Dem members who,

:28:32.:28:36.

like me, care about investing in Public Services and a decent social

:28:37.:28:41.

security system and human rights and... If you care about the same

:28:42.:28:46.

things, why don't you get together? That's what I went to the conference

:28:47.:28:50.

for to remind them that we are losing the argument and the point

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about Labour falling in the polls. That tells you that we are losing

:28:54.:28:57.

the argument with the public. We need to get much better at working

:28:58.:29:02.

together on the things that we have in common. Is no attraction of the

:29:03.:29:08.

centrist MPs like yourself? No. Actually, we are very distinct

:29:09.:29:13.

parties with distinct traditions and the... At the moment you are

:29:14.:29:18.

distinct losers, both of you? That's partly why I went to Brighton.

:29:19.:29:22.

That's a fair point, you're absolutely right. No point being

:29:23.:29:25.

distinct if you lose all the time. Is there a Lib Dem policy of having

:29:26.:29:32.

a second referendum? Explain to me how, if we said now we'll have a

:29:33.:29:38.

second referendum on the Brexit deal when it's done, why would the

:29:39.:29:44.

European Union give us anything in the negotiations? Well, I think the

:29:45.:29:50.

point is that the referendum we've just had didn't give a clear answer

:29:51.:29:54.

on where the country is going to end up in, for example in ten years'

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time. I know the case, but if you say to the European Union, we are

:29:59.:30:01.

going to have a second referendum and the European Union wants us to

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remain, they'll obviously give us as bad a deal as possible so it looks

:30:07.:30:10.

terrible, look at the choice between staying in, we'll be all right, and

:30:11.:30:17.

leaving in Siberian terms. Surely that's inevitable? I think the

:30:18.:30:22.

incentive force the rest of Europe to treat us harshly are pretty much

:30:23.:30:26.

already there to be honest. I don't think it would make a huge

:30:27.:30:30.

difference. There is a question genuinely of legitimacy of where we

:30:31.:30:34.

end up. If we don't have a general election on the terms on which we

:30:35.:30:38.

leave the EU or a referendum on the destination that we are heading for,

:30:39.:30:42.

in what sense has this really been approved? Will the Brexit talks

:30:43.:30:44.

split the Tories? It will cause divisions in the Tory

:30:45.:30:54.

party. It is interesting for me how quickly the hard Brexit side of the

:30:55.:31:00.

Tory party, the well-known people who campaigned to leave, not those

:31:01.:31:06.

like Boris Johnson but the Bill Cash of this world, have put down a

:31:07.:31:10.

marker to Theresa May very quickly before she has really had a chance

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to navigate through and set out her stall and set out the parameters she

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wants, which I don't think we'll come until early next year. I am not

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asking her to rush into setting up her stall. She has made clear to

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people like Boris Johnson that they should not. The longer she leaves

:31:30.:31:36.

it, the more suspicious the Brexit supporters will become. Not just

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Tories. 17.4 million people, despite the threats of the establishment,

:31:42.:31:46.

voted to leave the EU. People keep saying, when is it going to happen,

:31:47.:31:49.

are they going to deliver this, are we going to be let down? I would say

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in a sense that the Lib Dems talking about second referendums explains

:31:58.:32:00.

why their brand is now bust with the British public. They are not

:32:01.:32:04.

credible any more. And they haven't got a leader... You don't think they

:32:05.:32:10.

will recover? I don't. Tim Farron may be a nice chap but he is not

:32:11.:32:16.

connecting with a big audience. Of those that voted Remain, there 40%

:32:17.:32:20.

who access the result and say, let's get on with it. Get on with what?

:32:21.:32:27.

That is the point. They don't know what it means. It is very clear.

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Everybody from Boris and Michael Gove to Ukip and Frank Field, we

:32:32.:32:38.

were very clear. Not a very broad group, to be fair. Give me one that

:32:39.:32:44.

is broader, please. You have the entire spectrum. We voted to take

:32:45.:32:50.

back control of our laws, borders, fisheries, and crucially we voted to

:32:51.:32:56.

leave the single market. Those in politics who were saying we could

:32:57.:33:00.

leave the EU but stay in the single market am basically they were trying

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to keep us inside the European Union. It is perfectly clear what

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people voted for. Is Ukip still a threat to the Tories. I think Nigel

:33:09.:33:15.

will probably be back in 2019. Please! Ukip as a temporary leader

:33:16.:33:24.

and Nigel will come back at the end of 2018 to say that Brexit has not

:33:25.:33:28.

been delivered. He will seize back control but his main threat will be

:33:29.:33:33.

to Labour in the North. By that time you will be in such trouble because

:33:34.:33:37.

Corbyn will have been leader for further two years and Nigel stands a

:33:38.:33:41.

real chance of Labour seats in the North. I am not sure he is a threat

:33:42.:33:48.

to the Tories. He is saying you are just on sabbatical, not retired. I

:33:49.:33:54.

am done with party politics. Didn't you say that last time? For three

:33:55.:34:01.

days, and then I came back. You are only five days in now! Have given up

:34:02.:34:08.

politics, the backbiting. What are the odds on you coming back? Reed I

:34:09.:34:14.

don't know. I don't want to do it again. Are you behind this attempt

:34:15.:34:23.

to build a right-wing Momentum movement, a mirror image of Corbyn's

:34:24.:34:26.

on the left, that your mate is bankrolling? 38 degrees is a better

:34:27.:34:34.

example of a centre-left development through the internet who have been

:34:35.:34:38.

effective lobbying MPs, getting people to sign petitions and all the

:34:39.:34:43.

rest of it. I what Aaron Banks did, it was really interesting, to build

:34:44.:34:47.

1 million online supporters for the Brexit calls from across the

:34:48.:34:50.

spectrum. I am in courage in him to keep going with that, to make sure

:34:51.:34:58.

that as Theresa May says, Brexit means Brexit. It means we leave the

:34:59.:35:05.

single market... Not again! I have heard all this. Wouldn't your

:35:06.:35:08.

successor rather have the Aaron Banks money for the Ukip party

:35:09.:35:13.

funds? He can spend his money as he wishes. He has backed Ukip and he

:35:14.:35:20.

will go on backing Ukip, I am sure. But he is trying to build something

:35:21.:35:24.

a little bit along the lines of the Italian 5-star movement in Italy,

:35:25.:35:29.

where an online political movement is fundamentally changing Italian

:35:30.:35:33.

politics. I see you are now best mates with Donald Trump. So it

:35:34.:35:41.

looks. Is he going to win? I think he is. I get the difficulties of the

:35:42.:35:46.

swing states, but I think momentum is with him. Hillary Clinton's

:35:47.:35:50.

campaign looks tired and out of touch and Trump looks very

:35:51.:35:55.

disciplined. You have managed to cheer up everybody else. Look at

:35:56.:35:58.

their faces. Miranda is near suicidal. The Remain camp do not

:35:59.:36:05.

want change of any kind in any western country. It is coming. It is

:36:06.:36:09.

happening. Wake up, smell the coffee. On this point of total

:36:10.:36:17.

agreement... We are going to move on. I do not want change which is

:36:18.:36:23.

why I am looking forward to Nigel returning. My world is

:36:24.:36:26.

discombobulated and I am reassured that he will be back. That is a

:36:27.:36:30.

point you have made and I have finally got it. Thank you, Nigel and

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Miranda. You can go and like down in a dark room and we will wake you up

:36:36.:36:37.

later. Now, you may have breathed a sigh

:36:38.:36:40.

of relief when you realised Michael Portillo wasn't around

:36:41.:36:43.

to manspread in pastel chinos The truth is he can't stand to be

:36:44.:36:45.

here because it's the first That's right, this time last year,

:36:46.:36:49.

Hackney Abbott ditched him to rekindle her socialist fervour

:36:50.:36:53.

with old flame Comrade Corbyn. Of course, we invited old choo choo

:36:54.:36:55.

to the Green Room to drown his sorrows with Blue Nun,

:36:56.:36:59.

but he said this week, That's why we've decided to put

:37:00.:37:03.

break-ups in the Spotlight. I think it's a reality of marriage

:37:04.:37:16.

that you go through hard times. Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie

:37:17.:37:25.

went their separate ways this week, And what of the perfect

:37:26.:37:29.

Bake Off couple? Paul Hollywood says he wants

:37:30.:37:36.

to stick with the dough But Mary Berry's had

:37:37.:37:38.

enough of soggy bottoms, leaving viewers crying

:37:39.:37:41.

into their cake mix. I think the ability to unite

:37:42.:37:46.

the party is something There seems little love lost

:37:47.:37:50.

between Jezza and his first wife who announced this week she'd vote

:37:51.:37:56.

for Owen Smith. And what of rocky relations

:37:57.:38:00.

between North and South The NEC told Scottish Labour Leader

:38:01.:38:02.

Kezia Dugdale that she could go David Cameron used to be devoted

:38:03.:38:06.

to his constituents. I love being MP for Witney and I'm

:38:07.:38:14.

very keen to continue. But despite all the talk

:38:15.:38:17.

of serving the country, bomb the back benches,

:38:18.:38:21.

he's hastily anulled their union. Even some of Angela Merkel's fans

:38:22.:38:28.

have struck up a romance with Should unhappy couples stay

:38:29.:38:31.

together, or break-up for the kids? Now we were meant to interview

:38:32.:38:44.

Katie Price at this stage. But I'm delighted to be joined

:38:45.:38:47.

by Jimmy Brown from UB40 instead. Delighted to see you here. Speaking

:38:48.:39:08.

of splits and break-ups, there are a lot around in politics and private

:39:09.:39:13.

life and so on. The UB40 split, was it tough? It wasn't that bad. I

:39:14.:39:19.

don't see it as a split because all we did was lose a singer. We would

:39:20.:39:25.

not be the first to do that. Our singer went solo. We are in

:39:26.:39:30.

difficulties now, because he had a solo career but did not do as well

:39:31.:39:34.

as he thought and started using the name again. So we are going through

:39:35.:39:39.

the courts at the moment. But we haven't split, really. The rest of

:39:40.:39:44.

the band are still here. It was only one that went. Mind you, the singer

:39:45.:39:49.

is quite important. Pretty important. Not as important as the

:39:50.:39:54.

drama. We had his brother in the cupboard waiting, so we took him out

:39:55.:39:58.

and replaced him and everything is lovely. We just did our biggest

:39:59.:40:03.

touring about 20 years. Win splits like that come on the agenda, do we

:40:04.:40:09.

fight hard enough to stop the splits from happening, or do we just think

:40:10.:40:14.

we are too lazy, we will get through, let's just get on with it?

:40:15.:40:22.

I think it's a sign of the times. There are hysterical times going on

:40:23.:40:28.

at the moment, causing all kinds of splits between different camps. I

:40:29.:40:33.

think it's a sign of the times. There is a lot of splitting. Brexit

:40:34.:40:39.

is a split. Brad and Angelina is a split. Bake Off is a split. You

:40:40.:40:46.

leaving the Shadow Cabinet is a split. Up there with Mary Berry

:40:47.:40:59.

leaving. Are we becoming more of a break-up ridden society? It is too

:41:00.:41:03.

late, I have no idea what you are talking about. Are we becoming more

:41:04.:41:13.

atomised as a society. Many people at the moment are feeling anxious in

:41:14.:41:17.

this country about a lot of things. It is a lot to do with economic

:41:18.:41:21.

insecurity. We have had seismic changes politically in the last few

:41:22.:41:25.

years and I think it's very hard to predict what the future will look

:41:26.:41:29.

like, and thereof very few politicians talking about a positive

:41:30.:41:31.

vision for the future and how we shape it. -- there are very few

:41:32.:41:39.

politicians. That has created the sense of people feeling quite

:41:40.:41:43.

anxious about things. And I don't think Mary Berry leaving Bake Off

:41:44.:41:48.

has helped. But I do love her. I can't wait to see her new show. You

:41:49.:41:57.

had a split with government offices. Yes, I have exit it. The Tory party

:41:58.:42:01.

is split with me and I am on the backbenches. But I think we are

:42:02.:42:05.

staying together. Despite being rejected from the government, I

:42:06.:42:09.

remain utterly loyal to the Prime Minister, so I hope she is watching.

:42:10.:42:14.

And we shouldn't forget that Scotland decided to stay. There are

:42:15.:42:18.

examples where people look at the door and decide not to walk through

:42:19.:42:21.

it. I think we should cheer up a bit. Were you upset by the Brexit

:42:22.:42:34.

split? I was with Corbyn, really. I really did not want to be left in

:42:35.:42:40.

the hands of Boris. Do you think Labour will split? No. There is

:42:41.:42:44.

nowhere for the rebels to go. Back in the day, there was the SDP. So I

:42:45.:42:51.

don't see a split, I really don't. And you would be happy to see Mr

:42:52.:42:55.

Corbyn get re-elected? Very happy, yes. Do you think he can win an

:42:56.:43:03.

election? Definitely. We have a low turnout in this country compare to

:43:04.:43:06.

other countries. It is about getting people out and voting. They cannot

:43:07.:43:11.

use the mainstream press the way the Tories do. They have low membership

:43:12.:43:15.

in the Tory party and they are happy to get the message out through the

:43:16.:43:21.

mainstream media. You will have to write us a campaign song. You said

:43:22.:43:27.

you have just finished a tour. We are just starting one. In Leeds, I

:43:28.:43:33.

think. It is the end of one of the biggest tours we have done in a long

:43:34.:43:38.

time. The final leg. Good luck with it. Good to see you.

:43:39.:43:40.

Keith Vaz is having his select committee

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I'm told there will be party poppers and, um, poppers.

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