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Choose life, choose Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and hope that | :00:08. | :00:09. | |
Choose the special relationship, choose Theresa, choose Donald, | :00:10. | :00:16. | |
choose the wall, choose your facts, choose alternatives, choose America. | :00:17. | :00:18. | |
Choose the potential US ambassador to the EU, Ted Malloch. | :00:19. | :00:26. | |
It's significant that President Trump has chosen | :00:27. | :00:29. | |
Prime Minister May as his first foreign visitor to | :00:30. | :00:34. | |
Choose looking back at referendums, wishing you'd | :00:35. | :00:43. | |
Choose Brexit, choose the courts, choose the people, choose Trident. | :00:44. | :00:49. | |
Choose the Spectator's Isabel Hardman. | :00:50. | :00:58. | |
With Corbyn's shambolic performance at Prime Minister's Questions, | :00:59. | :01:00. | |
running for the hills must be looking pretty good | :01:01. | :01:02. | |
You're a politics addict, so embrace it, go all out. | :01:03. | :01:07. | |
And if that doesn't work, choose comedian Bridget Christie | :01:08. | :01:11. | |
Choose Newsnight, choose Question Time, don't choose This Week. | :01:12. | :01:30. | |
Choose a zero-hours chat show, a mind-numbing, | :01:31. | :01:32. | |
..that's only mildly better than reality TV. | :01:33. | :01:36. | |
Choose Portillo, choose Johnson, choose BBC One, choose an unknown | :01:37. | :01:39. | |
Who needs reason when you have This Week? | :01:40. | :01:51. | |
Evenin' all, welcome to This Week, the show which regularly misfires | :01:52. | :01:54. | |
and heads off in the wrong direction but which is on so late nobody can | :01:55. | :01:59. | |
Instead there's a plan to twin us with the Trident Missile. | :02:00. | :02:04. | |
Speaking of loose cannons, Prime Minister May's finger is now | :02:05. | :02:07. | |
hovering over the trigger for Article 50. | :02:08. | :02:10. | |
Who knows what direction that could go in? | :02:11. | :02:12. | |
After weeks of insisting she didn't need a White Paper | :02:13. | :02:14. | |
to give her Brexit directions, on Wednesday she announced, yes, | :02:15. | :02:18. | |
The U-turn caught Jeremy Corbyn on the hop; his prepared attack | :02:19. | :02:23. | |
for PMQs terminated on take-off and reduced to a little heap | :02:24. | :02:27. | |
I'm told that over in the colonies, The Donald is rather jealous | :02:28. | :02:34. | |
of all the fun the Brits are having with missiles, take-offs | :02:35. | :02:37. | |
and terminations and is getting itchy fingers. | :02:38. | :02:40. | |
Even though they are only very little itchy fingers, | :02:41. | :02:43. | |
let's hope he confines them to his Twitter account | :02:44. | :02:46. | |
and not to the nuclear codes or our own dear PM, | :02:47. | :02:48. | |
Speaking of malfunctioning hardware that should have been | :02:49. | :02:53. | |
decommissioned years ago, I'm joined on the sofa tonight | :02:54. | :02:55. | |
by two guests who've never been successfully tested | :02:56. | :02:58. | |
I speak of course of Michael #choochoo Portillo and Alan | :02:59. | :03:04. | |
Your moment of the week? The one to which you have been valued in | :03:05. | :03:19. | |
throughout your introduction, the misfiring of the missile. I have | :03:20. | :03:25. | |
found it impossible to imagine circumstances in which a British | :03:26. | :03:28. | |
Prime Minister would be permitted by the United States or would choose to | :03:29. | :03:32. | |
fire the nuclear deterrent. But now that you don't know whether it will | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
go to Moscow or Miami, it is even less probable. Which would you | :03:37. | :03:42. | |
prefer it to go to? It is even less probable that a Prime Minister will | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
fire it. If there were any rationality in the world, the money | :03:47. | :03:50. | |
that will be spent on this will be redirected to weapons we would | :03:51. | :03:53. | |
actually use, which would enable us to make a valuable contribution to | :03:54. | :03:57. | |
the Nato alliance. At the moment, I think we make an insufficient | :03:58. | :04:01. | |
contribution. Thank you for pre-empting our discussion for | :04:02. | :04:05. | |
later, giving us time for something else. I can't say that it is | :04:06. | :04:11. | |
anything other than the publication today of the European Union | :04:12. | :04:19. | |
withdrawal from act 2017 which had its first reading today. It only | :04:20. | :04:27. | |
took a moment to read it. Leave out the long title, together with the | :04:28. | :04:30. | |
short title at the bottom, it is bang on 100 words. So I suppose | :04:31. | :04:37. | |
never has such a short document... It is a short fuse that will lead to | :04:38. | :04:42. | |
a big political explosion. Brevity is compassionate in these | :04:43. | :04:44. | |
circumstances. Probably. So not yet a full week | :04:45. | :04:47. | |
of Donald Trump and we've already had one wall, | :04:48. | :04:50. | |
two pipelines, a massive Pacific trade deal aborted, | :04:51. | :04:52. | |
abortions abroad no longer to be financed with federal dollars, | :04:53. | :04:54. | |
a federal hiring freeze, the dismantling of Obamacare begun, | :04:55. | :04:56. | |
3-5 million illegal voters conjured up from nowhere, | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
just like the record crowds he claims were on the Washington | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
Mall for his Inauguration Speech. An obsession with size can clearly | :05:05. | :05:09. | |
make you delusional. Yes, I thought so - | :05:10. | :05:21. | |
not quite so busy. All that and he's still got his | :05:22. | :05:26. | |
meeting with Theresa May Here to offer some clarity | :05:27. | :05:29. | |
is the man who would be Trump's ambassador to the EU, | :05:30. | :05:35. | |
Ted Malloch, with his # She's washed and polished | :05:36. | :05:37. | |
and full of high octane. # Riding with the top down, | :05:38. | :05:46. | |
cruising in the fast lane. # Red hair's blowing | :05:47. | :05:54. | |
as bright as a flame. The good times are back again | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
for two great nations. After nearly a decade adrift, a man | :05:59. | :06:05. | |
who understands our shared history, values and aspirations, | :06:06. | :06:09. | |
is in the driving This marks a huge opportunity | :06:10. | :06:13. | |
for both Britain and America to celebrate and renew that | :06:14. | :06:19. | |
classic, special relationship. There's every reason that | :06:20. | :06:26. | |
Theresa May and Donald Trump should It's not insignificant that she's | :06:27. | :06:29. | |
the first foreign leader Once they've broken the ice | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
and established some chemistry, there's every reason to believe | :06:34. | :06:39. | |
they can get on with There's enthusiasm in Team Trump | :06:40. | :06:41. | |
to deal with this issue quickly and it could aid in a swift, | :06:42. | :06:49. | |
hard exit for Britain on more The visit will provide | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
an opportunity to reassert But the world has not stood | :06:54. | :07:16. | |
still since 1949 and NATO will have to step up and modify in order | :07:17. | :07:23. | |
to meet the new threats. That means that member states | :07:24. | :07:29. | |
are going to have to pay their fair share and not free ride | :07:30. | :07:33. | |
on the American defence budget. Countries like France, | :07:34. | :07:39. | |
Germany and Luxembourg are simply Finally, we need to start planning | :07:40. | :07:42. | |
for a return state visit so that President Trump can meet the Queen | :07:43. | :07:55. | |
this summer, putting the special Thank you to our pals | :07:56. | :08:00. | |
at LA Stretch Limos based in Essex for the loan | :08:01. | :08:13. | |
of their redilicious 1962 cadillac. I'll be ready for my home | :08:14. | :08:19. | |
journey in about half hour. Ted Malloch, who is currently | :08:20. | :08:24. | |
professor of strategic leadership and governance | :08:25. | :08:26. | |
at Henley Business Welcome to the programme. Do we have | :08:27. | :08:41. | |
any idea what Donald Trump means by the special relationship? Well, I | :08:42. | :08:45. | |
think he thinks it's special, which means he has some historical view of | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
what has transpired before. But I think he is looking for new | :08:51. | :08:53. | |
chemistry between himself and Mrs May. Is he genuinely pro-British, | :08:54. | :09:01. | |
sympathetic to Britain in a way that Mr Obama might not have been? It is | :09:02. | :09:07. | |
a contrast between day and night. His mother was born in Stornoway. | :09:08. | :09:13. | |
Her favourite person was the Queen. Donald Trump loves Great Britain. | :09:14. | :09:19. | |
Mrs May spoke tonight in Philadelphia to a convention of | :09:20. | :09:22. | |
Republican congressional politicians, and she even talked | :09:23. | :09:27. | |
about a new special relationship, a new age of Anglo-American | :09:28. | :09:33. | |
leadership. Is it not risky to rely too much on a President who is | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
widely regarded as a bit of a loose cannon? Yes. I think it is a sign of | :09:39. | :09:43. | |
the vulnerability that she senses about herself. She feels pretty | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
isolated on the European issue and obviously thinks it very important | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
to be close to the United States. There is a risk while she is there | :09:53. | :09:56. | |
that she will be asked whether she agrees with the President on his | :09:57. | :10:00. | |
views on trade, on immigration, on torture. And on none of those things | :10:01. | :10:06. | |
does she agree. And it would be quite deft of her to voice her | :10:07. | :10:10. | |
disagreement without, as it were, blowing the visit out of the water. | :10:11. | :10:18. | |
She wants to cement Anglo American relations on defence, intelligence. | :10:19. | :10:21. | |
She wants to open the way to a free-trade deal. Many people here, | :10:22. | :10:27. | |
particularly on the left and centre left, want her to lecture the | :10:28. | :10:29. | |
President about the wall, water boarding, women's rights. Should she | :10:30. | :10:35. | |
succumbed to that? She should definitely not get into the business | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
of lecturing the President. But she will find it difficult not to answer | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
questions on these subjects. And she will not want to antagonise the | :10:46. | :10:49. | |
President. Neither will she particularly want the President, if | :10:50. | :10:53. | |
he voices his enthusiasm for Brexit, to go on and say he would welcome | :10:54. | :10:59. | |
the demise of the European Union. Apparently our position is that | :11:00. | :11:04. | |
whilst we think it's such a ridiculous organisation that we are | :11:05. | :11:07. | |
happy to withdraw from it, we nonetheless would like this | :11:08. | :11:12. | |
ridiculous organisation to survive. As she said in her Lancaster speech. | :11:13. | :11:18. | |
And she said the same in a call to Mrs Merkel. It is a tricky one for | :11:19. | :11:26. | |
Mrs May, not easy. But if you have in the Oval Office someone who is | :11:27. | :11:31. | |
pro-British, pro-Brexit, who seems enthusiastic about the special | :11:32. | :11:35. | |
relationship, it is hard for a British Prime Minister not to take | :11:36. | :11:38. | |
advantage of that. Of course, she had to go. But she had been Home | :11:39. | :11:44. | |
Secretary for every long time, meaning she had close relationships | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
with the American security services. And they will be mostly the same | :11:49. | :11:53. | |
people. In particular the water boarding, the torture comments | :11:54. | :11:56. | |
today, that is very important. Because the British and American | :11:57. | :12:02. | |
services work so closely together and cooperate. We couldn't do that | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
if there was torture. He said he would not do it either. He said he | :12:08. | :12:14. | |
will take advice. From two people who are against it. In a sense, | :12:15. | :12:20. | |
today it was classic Trump. He played to his base by saying, if it | :12:21. | :12:23. | |
was up to me, I would do it because I think it works, but he said he | :12:24. | :12:31. | |
would listen to the director of the CIA, who has said not to do it. They | :12:32. | :12:39. | |
have said it does not work, which is the best advice. Mr Trump said it | :12:40. | :12:43. | |
did, on advice that we do not know where it was sourced from. We know | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
it has worked on occasions. Is there an occasion when you would use an | :12:49. | :12:55. | |
extreme form of interrogation? I want to stick with some wider | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
subjects tonight. Is a free-trade deal with the UK, a bilateral US- UK | :13:00. | :13:06. | |
free-trade deal, is that a priority for Mr Trump? I think it is. He has | :13:07. | :13:12. | |
gone out of his way to say this is something he wants to achieve, and | :13:13. | :13:15. | |
he is willing to do it in record time. He has invited her over | :13:16. | :13:21. | |
primarily for this reason, and it meets Britain, frankly, at its time | :13:22. | :13:27. | |
of greatest need. He is also pro-Brexit, which is a total change | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
from anyone who has been in the Oval Office. He has no enthusiasm for EU | :13:32. | :13:39. | |
integration. You noticed? And he is not the big friend of the Germans or | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
Mrs Merkel either. He has said some things about Germany that have | :13:45. | :13:50. | |
caused concern in those circles. Is he prepared to expend political | :13:51. | :13:55. | |
capital to help Britain in Brexit? I think he is. He doesn't like a | :13:56. | :14:03. | |
supranational organisation that is unelected, where bureaucrats run a | :14:04. | :14:07. | |
mock, that is not, frankly, if proper democracy. If we start down | :14:08. | :14:11. | |
the road of doing a free-trade deal with America, and we cannot conclude | :14:12. | :14:18. | |
one until Brexit is over, but we could do heads of agreement and | :14:19. | :14:24. | |
outline what it would be, wouldn't the EU then look churlish if it | :14:25. | :14:28. | |
didn't say, yes, we will do a free-trade deal, too. | :14:29. | :14:32. | |
I suppose so. I don't think it will happen like that. There could be a | :14:33. | :14:38. | |
deal done quickly. Queens Park Rangers could end up winning the | :14:39. | :14:42. | |
hundredship and win every game 6-0 from now on. -- the Championship. We | :14:43. | :15:00. | |
export ?240 billion worth of goods to the European Union. We export ?30 | :15:01. | :15:05. | |
billion worth of goods to America. Now, our nearest and biggest market | :15:06. | :15:10. | |
has to be a priority for us to maintain what we've already got | :15:11. | :15:15. | |
before we go off into some adventure pie-in-the-sky reports We want a | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
trade deal with the EU. I want a trade deal with America but the | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
thought that Donald Trump is somehow going to help us by doing a free | :15:25. | :15:28. | |
trade deal before we have gone through the process of article 50 | :15:29. | :15:33. | |
and renegotiate our way back into the nearest and dearest market. Does | :15:34. | :15:42. | |
having Donald Trump in The Oval office strengthen the negotiating | :15:43. | :15:47. | |
power? To a certain point it does. This is unknown terrain for us. We | :15:48. | :15:50. | |
have never had a President who's understood our position in the | :15:51. | :15:55. | |
European Union before. However, if he voices the sort of analysis that | :15:56. | :16:00. | |
Ted has just voiced with which I don't disagree about the European | :16:01. | :16:03. | |
Union, there is a danger, of course, that our European partners will | :16:04. | :16:06. | |
assume that Mrs May is really just like Donald Trump, that is to say | :16:07. | :16:10. | |
that she really wants to bring down the European Union in which case | :16:11. | :16:14. | |
that would make our negotiating position more difficult. What do you | :16:15. | :16:21. | |
mean by "our position"? Previous American Presidents have understood | :16:22. | :16:25. | |
our position. What I meant was our position of discomfort within the | :16:26. | :16:29. | |
European Union. This is a watershed change and I wonder if something | :16:30. | :16:34. | |
happens today. Am I right in thinking that Mrs Merkel said she'd | :16:35. | :16:38. | |
go at short notice to see Mr Trump and he hasn't even replied yet to | :16:39. | :16:42. | |
give her a date? I think she's anxious to see him and he's got a | :16:43. | :16:47. | |
cool approach to the Germans and he's said some things, both about | :16:48. | :16:51. | |
the euro and the way that the European Union has tilted towards | :16:52. | :16:57. | |
Germany so I'm sure it's raised eyebrows, if not antagonisms in | :16:58. | :17:02. | |
Berlin. Maybe the Germans want her to be an intermediary, an adversary. | :17:03. | :17:08. | |
She's going to Turkey next. Mrs Merkel? Mrs May. Why would you want | :17:09. | :17:15. | |
to be US Ambassador to the EU, you are clearly not a great fan of | :17:16. | :17:25. | |
Brussels like Jean-Claude Juncker? I helped bring down the Soviet Union, | :17:26. | :17:28. | |
maybe there's another union that needs a little taming. It's only the | :17:29. | :17:35. | |
British who believe an ambassador from one country to another has to | :17:36. | :17:38. | |
take on the point of view of the country to which he's sent, rather | :17:39. | :17:41. | |
than the point of view of the country which is sending him. | :17:42. | :17:47. | |
Unusual to send an ambassador to a country which you are being sent to. | :17:48. | :17:52. | |
I want the ambassador to represent the country, not the EU. What do you | :17:53. | :18:00. | |
think of Mr Juncker? He was an adequate Mayor and maybe should go | :18:01. | :18:04. | |
back to Luxembourg and do that again. This is clearly going to be a | :18:05. | :18:08. | |
very diplomatic appointment. Will you keep in touch with us? Keep in | :18:09. | :18:13. | |
touch with Nigel Farage. This is going to be more fun than | :18:14. | :18:17. | |
Washington. I think so. Thank you for being with us. Next time we'll | :18:18. | :18:19. | |
have to call you Mr Ambassador. Now it's late, Labour MPs waiting up | :18:20. | :18:23. | |
in the middle of the night But don't you succumb | :18:24. | :18:26. | |
to their suicidal tendencies. Because waiting in the wings | :18:27. | :18:29. | |
is baby hating comedian So come have a giggle, | :18:30. | :18:32. | |
take to Facepants, Snapjokes and settle down to the world's | :18:33. | :18:37. | |
finest Twitter-tainment. It's been anther tricky | :18:38. | :18:39. | |
old week for Jeremy Corbyn. The whips aren't whipping, | :18:40. | :18:43. | |
the Labour mayor of London has turned on him, there's been another | :18:44. | :18:47. | |
Shadow Cabinet resignation and, not the for first time, | :18:48. | :18:49. | |
PMQs was less than a triumph for the Leader of Her | :18:50. | :18:55. | |
Majesty's Opposition. Take a look around our studio | :18:56. | :18:58. | |
and you will soon realise that doomed political careers can lead | :18:59. | :19:08. | |
to fantastic careers in television. How long can it be before | :19:09. | :19:12. | |
old ChooChoo's slow trains to nowhere are bumped off | :19:13. | :19:17. | |
the schedules to make way for Jezza's 36-part | :19:18. | :19:20. | |
guide to manhole covers? Here with the political | :19:21. | :19:27. | |
round up of the week # You're willing to | :19:28. | :19:30. | |
sacrifice our love.# Andrew's ordered an ice sculpture | :19:31. | :19:47. | |
for the This Week studio. I think he's trying | :19:48. | :19:50. | |
to class up the joint. But in this post Brexit economy, | :19:51. | :19:56. | |
all of us are going to have to learn new skills, | :19:57. | :20:03. | |
even us hacks. The PM started the week by launching | :20:04. | :20:05. | |
a new industrial strategy, all about carving out | :20:06. | :20:12. | |
a new future post-Brexit. It's about saying, what are our | :20:13. | :20:18. | |
strengths, as we come out We're coming together as a country, | :20:19. | :20:21. | |
we are forging our future, shaping a new future for the UK | :20:22. | :20:28. | |
as a global Britain. Key to that future will be | :20:29. | :20:31. | |
a trade deal with the US. The PM's been preparing to fly off, | :20:32. | :20:34. | |
freezing fog permitting, Best gloss over the embarrassing | :20:35. | :20:38. | |
revelation that HMS Vengeance accidentally fired a Trident missile | :20:39. | :20:44. | |
at the US. The government's actually been | :20:45. | :20:48. | |
getting pretty good at not The Defence Secretary categorically | :20:49. | :20:51. | |
refused to say when the PM The previous Prime Minister and this | :20:52. | :20:57. | |
Prime Minister were of course informed about the maintenance | :20:58. | :21:07. | |
of the nuclear deterrent and the outcome of the test | :21:08. | :21:11. | |
and the successful return of HMS But the story of the week | :21:12. | :21:14. | |
was Brexit, and the Supreme Court's decision that MPs must get a vote | :21:15. | :21:22. | |
before triggering Article 50. Lawyer and activist | :21:23. | :21:28. | |
Gina Miller declared victory Only Parliament can grant rights | :21:29. | :21:33. | |
to the British people and only No Prime Minister, no | :21:34. | :21:41. | |
government can expect to be The Brexit secretary said | :21:42. | :21:48. | |
legislation would be laid within days but it | :21:49. | :22:04. | |
wouldn't change anything. It's not about whether or not the UK | :22:05. | :22:07. | |
should leave the European Union. That decision has already been made | :22:08. | :22:15. | |
by the people of the United Kingdom. We will work with colleagues in both | :22:16. | :22:21. | |
Houses to ensure this bill is passed in good time for us to invoke | :22:22. | :22:24. | |
Article 50 by the end Labour said proper legislation | :22:25. | :22:27. | |
wouldn't be possible Labour accepts and respects | :22:28. | :22:32. | |
the referendum result and will not But we will be seeking to lay | :22:33. | :22:36. | |
amendments to ensure proper scrutiny and accountability | :22:37. | :22:43. | |
throughout the process. That starts, Mr Speaker, | :22:44. | :22:46. | |
with a White Paper or plan. The SNP, cross that the devolved | :22:47. | :22:51. | |
administrations were being frozen out and wouldn't get a vote | :22:52. | :22:56. | |
on the matter, renewed If we are now being told | :22:57. | :23:00. | |
that Scotland's voice simply doesn't matter, | :23:01. | :23:04. | |
that it will not be listened to, not just that it is not enforceable | :23:05. | :23:07. | |
in the courts but it is not going to be politically listened to, | :23:08. | :23:11. | |
then that raises a really The Lib Dems cried "stitch up" | :23:12. | :23:13. | |
and said they would oppose the bill without a referendum, | :23:14. | :23:21. | |
another one, on the What should not happen now is that | :23:22. | :23:24. | |
a stitch up should take place between Theresa May, | :23:25. | :23:31. | |
David Davis and politicians in Brussels, that the British people | :23:32. | :23:34. | |
then just have to live with. We take the view that | :23:35. | :23:37. | |
unless the British people are given the final say on the terms | :23:38. | :23:40. | |
of the deal, then we will not be Brexit, of course, | :23:41. | :23:43. | |
dominated exchanges at PMQs. Jeremy Corbyn was all set to attack | :23:44. | :23:53. | |
the Prime Minister over process and the lack of a White Paper, | :23:54. | :23:59. | |
but then Tory backbencher Chris Philp stood up and shot | :24:00. | :24:02. | |
the Labour leader's fox. Does the Prime Minister agree | :24:03. | :24:06. | |
that the best way of facilitating that scrutiny would be a government | :24:07. | :24:11. | |
White Paper? I can confirm to the House | :24:12. | :24:14. | |
that our plan will be set out in a White Paper | :24:15. | :24:17. | |
published this month. So Jeremy Corbyn was left to attack | :24:18. | :24:22. | |
the Prime Minister over the timing of the White Paper and protections | :24:23. | :24:27. | |
for workers' rights. But Theresa May was having none | :24:28. | :24:30. | |
of it, pointing out the confusion on the Labour benches | :24:31. | :24:33. | |
about its policy. Article 50 wasn't about the court | :24:34. | :24:37. | |
judgment against this government. What it signified was the bad | :24:38. | :24:41. | |
judgment of this government, the bad judgment of prioritising | :24:42. | :24:45. | |
corporate tax cuts over investment The bad judgment of threatening | :24:46. | :24:50. | |
European partners whilst offering The bad judgment of wanting to turn | :24:51. | :24:57. | |
Britain into a bargain I have to say to him, | :24:58. | :25:06. | |
he is the leader of the party. He can't even agree with his | :25:07. | :25:12. | |
Shadow Chancellor about Brexit. The Shadow Chancellor can't agree | :25:13. | :25:16. | |
with the Shadow Brexit secretary. The Shadow Brexit | :25:17. | :25:18. | |
secretary disagrees And the Shadow Home Secretary has | :25:19. | :25:21. | |
to ring up the leader He talks about us | :25:22. | :25:26. | |
standing up for Britain. Old habits die hard on This Week, | :25:27. | :25:31. | |
and we're not the only ones. Has the Minister, | :25:32. | :25:46. | |
has the noble lord... Nice to see some of us | :25:47. | :25:51. | |
sticking to what we know best. This seems like far too | :25:52. | :26:02. | |
much hard work to me. I think I'll put the | :26:03. | :26:05. | |
reskilling on ice for now. And the elves at The Ice Box | :26:06. | :26:21. | |
in London's New Covent Garden Market were kind enough to finish it | :26:22. | :26:25. | |
off for her. And it's made it intact | :26:26. | :26:27. | |
to the This Week studio too. As has SNP heartthrob | :26:28. | :26:31. | |
John Nicholson, who's looking Where can you go from there, Andrew | :26:32. | :26:50. | |
Did it just delay the inevitable? Yes and the Prime Minister snatched | :26:51. | :26:56. | |
victory. It could have been worse if it involved further consultation | :26:57. | :26:58. | |
with Scotland and Northern Ireland and so on, that would have been very | :26:59. | :27:02. | |
complicated constitutionally, so from the Government's point of view, | :27:03. | :27:05. | |
it was more or less what they hoped for at that stage. Is there any | :27:06. | :27:10. | |
doubt that Parliament will trigger article 50? No, I don't think so. I | :27:11. | :27:16. | |
think Theresa May did snatch victory. She didn't have to go | :27:17. | :27:20. | |
through this. She should have begun this by saying to Parliament, of | :27:21. | :27:24. | |
course we are going to involve you properly in this and she shouldn't | :27:25. | :27:27. | |
have appealed to the Supreme Court. She could have been doing a lot more | :27:28. | :27:30. | |
before then. In the end, I think what Jeremy Corbyn was entitled to | :27:31. | :27:36. | |
do is to say that actually the reversal on the white paper was | :27:37. | :27:39. | |
something brought about by pressure from the opposition. Why didn't he | :27:40. | :27:48. | |
say that? He was wriggling there. I was watching and thought why didn't | :27:49. | :27:53. | |
you come in. And say that. The extraordinary thing about the appeal | :27:54. | :27:56. | |
is just what a waste of money it is. This is meant to be a Conservative | :27:57. | :27:59. | |
Government that minds the pennies, why on earth would you go to the | :28:00. | :28:03. | |
Supreme Court to try and prevent Parliament from having a say? Credit | :28:04. | :28:10. | |
where it's due. We didn't have the aim reaction from the judiciary that | :28:11. | :28:15. | |
we did on the High Court decision. Liz Truss and Jeremy Wright came | :28:16. | :28:21. | |
out. That was a lesson learnt. We have seen constitutional law. | :28:22. | :28:25. | |
Experts say the Supreme Court's judgment is a more rounded judgment | :28:26. | :28:28. | |
than the High Court's one and a better basis for going forward, so | :28:29. | :28:36. | |
maybe... Some think the minority opinion is important too. Because | :28:37. | :28:40. | |
there was no legal requirement for the Scottish Government to be | :28:41. | :28:44. | |
consulted, doesn't mean they shouldn't be consulted. Isn't the | :28:45. | :28:48. | |
Scottish Government being consulted? David Davis said he's met them five | :28:49. | :28:53. | |
times. But what does that mean, if you keep meeting somebody and | :28:54. | :28:57. | |
ignoring them, it's hardly worth the meeting is it? The contrary will be | :28:58. | :29:05. | |
just as ridiculous. I don't get any sense that there's actually | :29:06. | :29:12. | |
engagement. What Michael Russell says on Brexit, he just says, you | :29:13. | :29:16. | |
know, David Davis keeps saying he's talking to us but I don't get a | :29:17. | :29:21. | |
sthaens he's actually engaging in the arguments or debates. They don't | :29:22. | :29:25. | |
even seem to inch forward. I know the SNP have said they are going to | :29:26. | :29:31. | |
lay down 50 amendments because it's Article 50 and so on and the Deputy | :29:32. | :29:37. | |
Speaker will be determined how many of these are called. Not many I | :29:38. | :29:41. | |
suggest but we'll see. Are you in any doubt that in the end Parliament | :29:42. | :29:45. | |
will trigger Article 50? I can't see any way that it can be prevented, to | :29:46. | :29:51. | |
be honest. Particularly because of Labour's position? Exactly because | :29:52. | :29:55. | |
of Labour's position. Because of the result of the referendum? I don't | :29:56. | :29:58. | |
know what the amendments will be, but I would very much like to see | :29:59. | :30:02. | |
the Westminster Parliament to say that European Union citizens will | :30:03. | :30:07. | |
not be used as bargaining chips. Yes. Will it get through? I hope it | :30:08. | :30:16. | |
will get through. I think it would mean we could all rally around that. | :30:17. | :30:23. | |
Alan, isn't it quite amazing, you and I remember the Tories ripping | :30:24. | :30:28. | |
themselves apart over Europe endlessly, the Maastricht debates | :30:29. | :30:32. | |
went on and on. Did you ever think Labour would end up, not as badly | :30:33. | :30:37. | |
divided as the Tories used to be, but still now pretty divided? | :30:38. | :30:44. | |
No, I didn't, but I didn't think there would be a yes - no referendum | :30:45. | :30:52. | |
on the EU. To be fair to where we stand, we supported remaining in the | :30:53. | :30:58. | |
European Union, 66% of Labour voters supported it. So there is that | :30:59. | :31:04. | |
division. People like the shadow in a has resigned in Hampstead... There | :31:05. | :31:11. | |
are bound to be those issues. The big battle will be when the | :31:12. | :31:15. | |
so-called great repeal bill comes in. That is when we will start... It | :31:16. | :31:20. | |
will not be implemented until after Article 50 is completed, but that is | :31:21. | :31:25. | |
when you will see the kind of issues... People are talking about | :31:26. | :31:29. | |
hundreds of amendments for this. That is the wrong place. I thought | :31:30. | :31:35. | |
all of the so-called great repeal bill, I thought all that was meant | :31:36. | :31:42. | |
to do was to take the corpus of European law that currently affects | :31:43. | :31:45. | |
us and just move it on to the British statute book, and you don't | :31:46. | :31:52. | |
come to decide what you will unpick on that until we have left. Well, I | :31:53. | :31:59. | |
think that is true. So why would you amend it? If ministers decide not to | :32:00. | :32:08. | |
unpick it, there is a thing called a Henry VIII clause, which is done | :32:09. | :32:13. | |
virtually by ministerial decree. If they start to cherrypicking... If | :32:14. | :32:19. | |
they leave it, having moved it across, until after Article 50... | :32:20. | :32:25. | |
Did you notice that David Mundell, the Scottish Secretary, Conservative | :32:26. | :32:30. | |
Scottish party secretary, said that he thought that the Holyrood | :32:31. | :32:35. | |
parliament might have to give its consent to aspects of the great | :32:36. | :32:40. | |
repeal bill where they affect Scots law, where European law has been | :32:41. | :32:45. | |
incorporated into Scots law. A very interesting development. My | :32:46. | :32:50. | |
understanding was that this was the simplifying procedure. Alan is | :32:51. | :32:53. | |
right, if they start to say, we want to change this and that, it will | :32:54. | :32:58. | |
complicate matters. Did you not think they would just move it all on | :32:59. | :33:02. | |
and what regulations and laws we stick with would be determined | :33:03. | :33:04. | |
either after we leave or for the next Parliament after 2020? I am not | :33:05. | :33:12. | |
sure there is a huge point in trying to speculate what will happen in two | :33:13. | :33:16. | |
years. I think the government will have to play it according to how it | :33:17. | :33:20. | |
sees the parliamentary arithmetic at the time. But I think you are | :33:21. | :33:24. | |
absolutely right that one of the things it can do is to have a fairly | :33:25. | :33:29. | |
uncontroversial bill, followed presumably by mountains of | :33:30. | :33:31. | |
legislation thereafter, which will have to unpick all the things that | :33:32. | :33:35. | |
need to be unpicked. There is the possibility of absolute chaos | :33:36. | :33:41. | |
arriving in two years' time. Why was Nicola Sturgeon surprised to | :33:42. | :33:48. | |
discover that foreign policy was a reserved competence for Westminster? | :33:49. | :33:53. | |
I don't think she was particularly surprised. She seemed to think the | :33:54. | :33:57. | |
Scottish parliament should determine foreign policy. Our view is that we | :33:58. | :34:02. | |
were told repeatedly Scotland was an equal partner. If that is true, her | :34:03. | :34:08. | |
view and my view, most people's view in Scotland is that the Holyrood | :34:09. | :34:12. | |
parliament should be consulted. Otherwise, what did the rhetoric | :34:13. | :34:18. | |
mean? But the one thing the SNP government is keen storm is that | :34:19. | :34:25. | |
even though Britain is to leave the single market, the SNP think | :34:26. | :34:29. | |
Scotland can stay in the single market. Not just the SNP. That is | :34:30. | :34:33. | |
the Labour Party position and was Ruth Davidson's position until | :34:34. | :34:40. | |
recently. Can you name a single leading European that thinks that is | :34:41. | :34:45. | |
possible? Since you put me on the spot, I can't. I think it is a | :34:46. | :34:51. | |
personally -- perfectly reasonable argument for the Scottish Government | :34:52. | :34:55. | |
to advance, and their legal advice is that there is no impediment to | :34:56. | :34:59. | |
that happening, if the British government wants to be as flexible | :35:00. | :35:04. | |
as they say they do. Are you going to follow Jeremy Corbyn's three line | :35:05. | :35:10. | |
whip? I happen to agree that we have two trigger Article 50. I will look | :35:11. | :35:15. | |
at the amendments, particularly about EU nationals living here. | :35:16. | :35:19. | |
There was an interesting development in Wales this week, where Plaid | :35:20. | :35:27. | |
Cymru and the Lib Dems put forward a plan about how to tackle freedom of | :35:28. | :35:33. | |
movement. Where I come from, free number -- freedom of movement has to | :35:34. | :35:37. | |
go. It has to be amended in Europe. It has to change, and sooner or | :35:38. | :35:40. | |
later they will come to that conclusion. But I am convinced that | :35:41. | :35:44. | |
was the major factor for why people left the European Union. The leading | :35:45. | :35:50. | |
candidate for the French presidency is moving a very long distance on | :35:51. | :35:55. | |
freedom of movement. Maybe that will happen in a lot of places in Europe. | :35:56. | :35:59. | |
John, thank you for being with us again. | :36:00. | :36:02. | |
Now, it's been busy news week, again, this week. | :36:03. | :36:04. | |
When Michael addressed last weekend's Women's March protest | :36:05. | :36:05. | |
against Donald Trump he rather got carried away and called on them | :36:06. | :36:08. | |
The British Food Standards quango said that roast potatoes and brown | :36:09. | :36:13. | |
And This Week's viewing figures rose to between three and five million, | :36:14. | :36:19. | |
including illegal immigrants, which is more than a month | :36:20. | :36:23. | |
Not so easy to tell, is it, in this brave | :36:24. | :36:33. | |
That's why we're putting "truth" in this week's Spotlight. | :36:34. | :36:47. | |
The Prime Minister says she's not scared of telling | :36:48. | :36:50. | |
I'm not afraid to speak frankly to a President of the United States. | :36:51. | :36:56. | |
The Donald is committed to the truth, too. | :36:57. | :36:58. | |
So devoted he says he might bring back torture to reveal it. | :36:59. | :37:02. | |
Would I feel strongly about water boarding? | :37:03. | :37:06. | |
As far as I'm concerned, we have to fight fire with fire. | :37:07. | :37:13. | |
But is there any truth in Trump's allegations of voter fraud? | :37:14. | :37:17. | |
There are millions of votes, in my opinion. | :37:18. | :37:19. | |
His spin doctors are having to work hard to prove them. | :37:20. | :37:22. | |
I think he has stated his concerns of voter fraud and people voting | :37:23. | :37:27. | |
He continues to maintain that belief. | :37:28. | :37:32. | |
Back in Blighty, facts give way to fiction during Jeremy Corbyn's | :37:33. | :37:35. | |
Condolences, I am sure, of the whole House to the family | :37:36. | :37:41. | |
of the police officer who lost his life over the weekend | :37:42. | :37:43. | |
I join the Prime Minister in wishing a speedy recovery | :37:44. | :37:49. | |
Earlier in the week, Ewan McGregor and Piers Morgan told | :37:50. | :37:56. | |
"Didn't realise Piers Morgan was host. | :37:57. | :38:01. | |
"Won't go on with him after his comments about the women's march. | :38:02. | :38:05. | |
Maybe actors should just talk about their films and not get | :38:06. | :38:08. | |
Comedian Bridget Christie's as honest as they come. | :38:09. | :38:15. | |
To my two small children, I'm an absent mother. | :38:16. | :38:17. | |
But is truth a rare commodity these days? | :38:18. | :38:26. | |
And an endless source of shame and regret. | :38:27. | :38:29. | |
Thank you for bringing your dogs. Should we always tell the truth? No. | :38:30. | :38:46. | |
I think there are good and bad lies. If you are in church and the bride | :38:47. | :38:50. | |
is about to come down the aisle and you don't think she's looking her | :38:51. | :38:59. | |
best, you probably should not go... But what we see in politics is that | :39:00. | :39:04. | |
there are many different types of lying. There is political | :39:05. | :39:09. | |
sidestepping, avoiding the truth, and blatant lies, basic lies. What | :39:10. | :39:13. | |
we are seeing now is something more sophisticated. We have Trump sending | :39:14. | :39:20. | |
Sean Spicer out to say that there were more people. We have Kellyanne | :39:21. | :39:25. | |
Conway saying that Sean Spicer was using alternative facts. It is on | :39:26. | :39:30. | |
another level. There seems to be a new phrase for something that is not | :39:31. | :39:36. | |
true. Alternative facts? It doesn't make any sense, it is meaningless. | :39:37. | :39:44. | |
Lying. Are we more prone to lying? George Orwell's 1984 has gone to the | :39:45. | :39:52. | |
top of the Amazon lists. News speak, doublespeak, freedom is slavery, war | :39:53. | :39:55. | |
is peace. All of it comes from George Orwell. And when I saw | :39:56. | :40:00. | |
Kellyanne Conway say that what he had said was an all turn a tip | :40:01. | :40:06. | |
fact... There is no such as an alternative fact. She laughed when | :40:07. | :40:11. | |
she said it. I think they are both under pressure. I think it is more | :40:12. | :40:14. | |
sinister than just lying to the public. It is interesting that Trump | :40:15. | :40:21. | |
sent Sean Spicer out to say that. Sometimes children do this. He is | :40:22. | :40:26. | |
testing their loyalty. The crowd was obviously much smaller than he | :40:27. | :40:32. | |
wanted, so by sending Sean Spicer out, he is testing his loyalty. You | :40:33. | :40:37. | |
hold the power. If you make somebody lied, you hold power over them. It | :40:38. | :40:43. | |
is also extraordinary, because in normal politics what you would have | :40:44. | :40:47. | |
been briefed to say is, it doesn't matter what the size of the crowd | :40:48. | :40:50. | |
is, I won the election, Americans voted for me. And the TV audience | :40:51. | :40:57. | |
was massive. It doesn't matter how many women have gone on the street | :40:58. | :41:01. | |
in Washington, it is not as many as the 30 million women who voted for | :41:02. | :41:06. | |
me, Donald Trump. Those are standard answers, and pretty good answers. | :41:07. | :41:12. | |
But he didn't do that. Even Trump's bodyguard, his arms were fake. Did | :41:13. | :41:23. | |
you see that? It is hard to keep up. His bodyguard is walking down with | :41:24. | :41:29. | |
these fake arms, because his arms are underneath with a big gun. What | :41:30. | :41:35. | |
is next? Honestly, I think they are going to start pushing out a waxwork | :41:36. | :41:43. | |
of Trump and passing them off. Quite often... We pride ourselves on fact | :41:44. | :41:49. | |
checking. We had a spat this week with the Scottish and the lists of | :41:50. | :41:55. | |
export figures on the facts. In America, the amount of | :41:56. | :41:57. | |
misinformation, I put it no higher than that, during the election, was | :41:58. | :42:02. | |
so intense that the fact checkers just lost control. There were too | :42:03. | :42:08. | |
many things to check. You are not telling me during the Brexit | :42:09. | :42:11. | |
campaign there was not masses of misinformation. But there was a lot | :42:12. | :42:17. | |
of fact checking as well. We have whole programmes on it. A lot of | :42:18. | :42:26. | |
effort goes into it. The worry is that this populist movement is | :42:27. | :42:30. | |
almost saying, look, never mind about the facts. There was a great | :42:31. | :42:34. | |
quote from Daniel Moynahan who said everyone is entitled to their own | :42:35. | :42:37. | |
opinion but no one is entitled to their own facts. Everyone is | :42:38. | :42:42. | |
entitled to their own fact now, and some of that emerged during the | :42:43. | :42:48. | |
Brexit debate. If you lie often enough, the lie becomes the truth. I | :42:49. | :42:52. | |
think there has to be some accountability. There was a petition | :42:53. | :42:56. | |
to make knowingly lying, misleading the public during an election | :42:57. | :43:00. | |
campaign or referendum, trying to make that a legal. I wonder who | :43:01. | :43:08. | |
would urge you to a on that. We have run out of time. What are you up to? | :43:09. | :43:13. | |
I am at Leicester Square Theatre next week and then I start touring | :43:14. | :43:19. | |
around the UK. Good le. Don't forget the dogs. | :43:20. | :43:22. | |
We're heading to LouLou's for the Great British Supreme | :43:23. | :43:26. | |
The policy and dress code is as strict as it gets | :43:27. | :43:30. | |
for a London elite only party - white tie, white powdered wigs | :43:31. | :43:33. | |
I know where that will come in handy. | :43:34. | :43:36. | |
Nighty night, don't let Dutch humour bite. | :43:37. | :43:44. | |
Dear Mr President, welcome to this introduction video | :43:45. | :43:46. | |
It's going to be absolutely fantastic. | :43:47. | :43:54. | |
Our founding father was William of Orange, who fought | :43:55. | :43:57. | |
They fought against us for 80 years but they couldn't beat us. | :43:58. | :44:04. | |
It's a great, great wall that we built to protect us | :44:05. | :44:30. | |
We built an entire ocean, OK, an entire ocean | :44:31. | :44:38. | |
Nobody builds oceans better than we do. | :44:39. | :44:45. | |
This ocean, it is so big you can even see it from the moon. | :44:46. | :44:50. | |
We totally understand, it's going to be America first. | :44:51. | :44:58. | |
But can we just say, the Netherlands second? | :44:59. | :45:02. | |
Thank you for watching, and best wishes. | :45:03. | :45:07. | |
We've got the best wishes in the Netherlands. | :45:08. | :45:09. | |
We know you understand the risks associated with your pregnancy. | :45:10. | :45:21. | |
Because I'm smaller, people think my hopes are not so great. | :45:22. | :45:25. |