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Firstly, I have to alert all our loyal followers | :00:21. | :01:10. | |
and supporters that the soft coup is under way. | :01:11. | :01:13. | |
It's planned, co-ordinated and fully resourced. | :01:14. | :01:14. | |
It's being perpetrated by an alliance between the dark | :01:15. | :01:17. | |
elements of the This Week sofas and the BBC Yentob empire, | :01:18. | :01:20. | |
both intent on destroying me and all that I stand for. | :01:21. | :01:28. | |
The Police Inspectorate reported that budgets have been cut, with | :01:29. | :01:35. | |
some forces struggling to provide even a six services. An official NHS | :01:36. | :01:41. | |
watchdog warned that the health service was standing on a burning | :01:42. | :01:44. | |
platform with four out of five hospitals needing to improve basic | :01:45. | :01:49. | |
patient safety, and the Independent and to chew for fiscal studies | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
predicted planned cuts to welfare would drive 1 million children into | :01:54. | :01:59. | |
poverty by 2020. So I don't know why you are so surprised that Labour is | :02:00. | :02:03. | |
between 14 points and six team points ahead in the polls. With that | :02:04. | :02:08. | |
sort of record, why would you not expect the Tories to be trailing | :02:09. | :02:14. | |
badly. Simple. I'm sorry, what's that? The Tories are 16 points aired | :02:15. | :02:19. | |
in the polls. I just don't believe that. It's the sort of fake news | :02:20. | :02:23. | |
that gives journalism a bad name. Next you will be telling me the | :02:24. | :02:26. | |
Tories won the Copeland by-election. And joining me, hiding in plain | :02:27. | :02:36. | |
sight is the conspirator-in-chief, the Colour Of Shirt Trojan horse | :02:37. | :02:38. | |
of late night political chat, Michael #ChooChooseYourFriends | :02:39. | :02:41. | |
Portillo and with him, restoring the balance | :02:42. | :02:42. | |
for good in this studio Liz Your moment of the week. I spent | :02:43. | :02:49. | |
today trying to figure out how what Jeff Sessions said to Congress about | :02:50. | :02:52. | |
not having had contact with the Russians could be anything other | :02:53. | :02:57. | |
than lying. Despite my best efforts, I failed. It clearly was a lie, and | :02:58. | :03:02. | |
the administration has already lost one senior official, the national | :03:03. | :03:05. | |
security adviser, on contacts with the Russians. I do not see how they | :03:06. | :03:10. | |
can avoid losing a second, the Attorney General. This issue about | :03:11. | :03:14. | |
what the Russians were up to during the American election, and what the | :03:15. | :03:18. | |
Republicans were up to with the Russians during the general election | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
seems to be not going away. Did you see the Attorney General's press | :03:24. | :03:31. | |
conference? I did. Then you will see why he in trouble. Your moment? John | :03:32. | :03:39. | |
Major's Brexit speech. I remember when he beat Neil Kinnock, I | :03:40. | :03:46. | |
remember ranting at the news. My boyfriend listened patiently for a | :03:47. | :03:50. | |
while and then said, either shut up, or do something about it. That was | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
when I joined the Labour Party. If you had told me 25 years later that | :03:55. | :03:58. | |
I would agree with almost every word of a speech by John Major, I would | :03:59. | :04:07. | |
have laughed. You are talking about his best friend, John Major. Not so | :04:08. | :04:15. | |
much has changed for me in 25 years. He did tell us that he won | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
Maastricht game, set and match. He did well with Maastricht. He was | :04:21. | :04:26. | |
asked to do a couple of things needed them well. It what happened | :04:27. | :04:28. | |
after that. Now, we received a mislabelled | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
parcel this week. On the off chance it | :04:33. | :04:34. | |
contained Blue Nun I'm afraid our production | :04:35. | :04:36. | |
team opened it. To their great disappointment, | :04:37. | :04:38. | |
it was a set of Russian dolls. First out, the biggest, | :04:39. | :04:40. | |
Vladimir Putin. Next popped Donald Trump, | :04:41. | :04:42. | |
then Mike Flynn, then Jeff Sessions. Oddly, the last one was just a small | :04:43. | :04:44. | |
yellow bottle, probably Blue Nun, Anyways, we've forwarded | :04:45. | :04:47. | |
it on to its original destination, a certain Boris | :04:48. | :04:51. | |
at The Secret Entrance, So just to be on the safe side, | :04:52. | :04:53. | |
we sent American Diplomat turned journalist, James Rubin | :04:54. | :04:57. | |
to the This Week nuclear bunker Long before President Trump took | :04:58. | :04:59. | |
office it felt like world events War raging in country | :05:00. | :05:09. | |
after country in the Middle East. And countries in the heart | :05:10. | :05:20. | |
of Europe being invaded, China laying claim to critical sea | :05:21. | :05:25. | |
lanes in the South China Sea, with US patrols then sent | :05:26. | :05:36. | |
to challenge Beijing. He says he wants good | :05:37. | :05:51. | |
relations with Moscow. The problem is, somehow he can't | :05:52. | :05:58. | |
find the words to criticise Russia's But he does have the time | :05:59. | :06:01. | |
to bad-mouth the trade policies and defence alliances that have | :06:02. | :06:10. | |
served us so well, that have given us peace and prosperity in Europe | :06:11. | :06:13. | |
and Asia for 70 years now. That's why he sponsors extremists | :06:14. | :06:18. | |
for elections here in Europe, The White House should be | :06:19. | :06:28. | |
stopping him, not creating a crisis of confidence that will only end | :06:29. | :06:37. | |
up helping him. After eight years of overreach under | :06:38. | :06:49. | |
President Bush and the war in Iraq, the pendulum swung back the other | :06:50. | :06:52. | |
way, and America retrenched What we need is a steady hand | :06:53. | :06:55. | |
somewhere in the middle. 50 billion more for defence | :06:56. | :07:03. | |
is not the answer. We need a new President to inspire, | :07:04. | :07:14. | |
to restore confidence, Working together, America and Europe | :07:15. | :07:16. | |
still have the power If only our leaders | :07:17. | :07:28. | |
would have the will. Thanks to bunker 51 in Greenwich | :07:29. | :07:41. | |
for releasing Jamie Rubin. Welcome back. You said that the | :07:42. | :07:57. | |
White House should be stopping Putin, but stopping him from what | :07:58. | :08:04. | |
and how? Well, first of all, it wouldn't be beyond the capabilities | :08:05. | :08:07. | |
of the United States to have counteracted all of this | :08:08. | :08:11. | |
interference in the US election, in the French election now, in the | :08:12. | :08:16. | |
German election. We keep hearing about Russian efforts to damage our | :08:17. | :08:20. | |
democratic system. It wouldn't be impossible for the United States to | :08:21. | :08:24. | |
have responded stronger to Ukraine in the past. And I certainly don't | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
think we should ignore the fact that Russia has invaded another country. | :08:29. | :08:33. | |
The thing about Trump, all of this, I don't know what really happened | :08:34. | :08:37. | |
but I cannot figure out why he can't criticise this invasion of another | :08:38. | :08:42. | |
country. You don't have to be for sanctions to criticise it. But why | :08:43. | :08:48. | |
can't he do that? Wasn't it Obama's job to stop Russian interference in | :08:49. | :08:53. | |
the election? He was the President. I would agree that it is now | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
apparent that President Obama and his team should have been tough on | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
the Russians. Every time they interfered, there was no response. | :09:02. | :09:07. | |
So it is not Donald Trump's fault. It is his fault for not recognising | :09:08. | :09:12. | |
this is a problem. It is his fault for not telling us we need to gather | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
together and working unity. The reason the United States and the | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
West succeeded in all those years is when we were together and United and | :09:22. | :09:25. | |
agreed on the problem. Right now, Germany, Britain, France, they don't | :09:26. | :09:29. | |
agree with the United States on Vladimir Putin. Nobody can figure | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
out why Mr Trump is so calm about Putin's activities. What's wrong | :09:35. | :09:39. | |
with trying to reset relations with Russia? I don't think there would be | :09:40. | :09:44. | |
anything particularly wrong about that. I want to go back over where | :09:45. | :09:50. | |
we have been. Crimea was invaded by Russia when Obama was President, and | :09:51. | :09:55. | |
Putin predicted there would be no reaction from Obama, and he was dead | :09:56. | :10:01. | |
right. I think the invasion of Crimea was largely provoked by | :10:02. | :10:04. | |
European Union Foreign Minister is interfering in Ukraine, which | :10:05. | :10:10. | |
presented either a threat or an excuse to Russia. The fact is that | :10:11. | :10:15. | |
since President Trump has become President, nothing has happened. | :10:16. | :10:18. | |
There may be an absence of language you would have welcomed but nothing | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
has happened except that he has declared he will increase defence | :10:23. | :10:27. | |
spending, and has told his European Union and Nato partners quite | :10:28. | :10:30. | |
rightly that they should increase their defence spending because they | :10:31. | :10:33. | |
are freeloading on the United States in Europe. That message has been | :10:34. | :10:37. | |
delivered more strongly by Trump than it was by Obama. If one is | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
going to talk about what the President has said, it is true there | :10:42. | :10:45. | |
may have been an absence of Cold War rhetoric... It is not Cold War | :10:46. | :10:51. | |
rhetoric. But it is also true that he has done two things to the | :10:52. | :10:57. | |
disadvantage of Russia. Michael, I hope your comfort level with Donald | :10:58. | :11:00. | |
Trump sustains itself throughout these years. You dismiss as Cold War | :11:01. | :11:05. | |
rhetoric the idea that the President of the United States should declare, | :11:06. | :11:10. | |
with vigour and determination, that a country in Europe should not | :11:11. | :11:14. | |
invade its neighbour and annex a portion of it. That is still going | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
on right now, Michael. It is not something that happened years ago. | :11:19. | :11:25. | |
There is a war in Ukraine. What can America do about it? He can declare | :11:26. | :11:30. | |
it as a problem. The fact that he can't criticise the Russian invasion | :11:31. | :11:35. | |
of Ukraine is what is troubling me. What you have said is fine, but to | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
dismiss that as Cold War rhetoric I do not understand. Lives, what is | :11:40. | :11:45. | |
your take? Coming back to your question of what is wrong with it, | :11:46. | :11:48. | |
if you take Trump at his word about what he wants to achieve, in many | :11:49. | :11:53. | |
cases, Russia wants the opposite. Trump says he wants to defeat | :11:54. | :11:57. | |
so-called Islamic State. In Syria, Russia has actually not been | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
fighting Islamic State, but fighting the rebels against Assad. Trump | :12:03. | :12:06. | |
wants to contain China. Russia is too weak politically, economically, | :12:07. | :12:11. | |
militarily, to do that, actually wants to boost trade with China | :12:12. | :12:16. | |
because of its struggling economy. Another objective might be to | :12:17. | :12:21. | |
confront Iran. And again, all the evidence is that Russia is working | :12:22. | :12:27. | |
with Iran in the Middle East. Russia's primary objective is to | :12:28. | :12:31. | |
divide and undermine the confidence of the West, and ultimately that | :12:32. | :12:38. | |
will be bad for Trump. So the truth is, his strategic objectives, even | :12:39. | :12:42. | |
as he set them, will not be achieved by cosying up to Putin. Mr Trump | :12:43. | :12:48. | |
thinks that Russia is largely Europe's problem, a regional issue. | :12:49. | :12:54. | |
He sees China as the threat to US interests. He thinks that Europe | :12:55. | :12:58. | |
should sort out Russia. It is their problem. I don't know that he has | :12:59. | :13:03. | |
made that judgment but I would disagree on these grounds. Russia's | :13:04. | :13:06. | |
behaviour in the last few years is a problem for the world. When a great | :13:07. | :13:12. | |
power decides to throw away 50 years of policy and invade their neighbour | :13:13. | :13:16. | |
and annex a piece of it, whether you think Crimea should be Russian or | :13:17. | :13:20. | |
not, the last great power to do that, we all know, was Germany. So | :13:21. | :13:27. | |
it's a problem. Maybe not the end of the world, but to not identify it as | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
a problem, that is where my problem is. He thinks it is Europe's | :13:32. | :13:37. | |
problem. It is the world's problem. It is a basic rule of international | :13:38. | :13:41. | |
relations. If you don't except that, we have big problems. Then you go to | :13:42. | :13:47. | |
Syria and Iran, and if it had not been to Russia working with Iran, | :13:48. | :13:50. | |
the Assad regime would never be where it is today. That is bad for | :13:51. | :13:55. | |
the world, to stand by and watch Syria do what it did. And for the | :13:56. | :13:59. | |
United States to seed the Middle East to the Russians, we will be | :14:00. | :14:04. | |
sorry one day. It is not a regional problem. When Russia interferes with | :14:05. | :14:12. | |
elections. None of this happened on Trump's watch. It is happening | :14:13. | :14:18. | |
today. Interference in Germany and France is happening today. Russian | :14:19. | :14:23. | |
policy in Syria is happening today. Russian planes are interfering with | :14:24. | :14:28. | |
Nato officials across northern Europe today. We might have an | :14:29. | :14:33. | |
incident in the Balkans tomorrow. To dismiss this as ancient history is | :14:34. | :14:34. | |
not serious. I'm not dismissing it. President | :14:35. | :14:43. | |
Obama's only just left office, remember, he can come here and, you | :14:44. | :14:50. | |
know, via us, elected President Trump. You are talking about me. You | :14:51. | :14:56. | |
haven't been listening. I have. You declared me the man who was Obama's | :14:57. | :15:00. | |
supporter. I said in the piece, and I hope you were paying attention, I | :15:01. | :15:04. | |
said that George Bush overreached through the invasion of Iraq and | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
then I said that President Obama underreached and retrenched in the | :15:10. | :15:13. | |
United States and that what we need is somewhere in the middle so please | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
don't dismiss me as an Obama lover who's suddenly criticising Trump. | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
Listen to what I said on the tape, I think Donald Trump is bad for us | :15:23. | :15:25. | |
because we need somebody in the middle, we don't want overreach, we | :15:26. | :15:29. | |
don't want underreach, we should just be the leader that the world | :15:30. | :15:34. | |
needs right now. I have a feeling that Trump may turn out to be | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
exactly what you desire: I hope so. Which is something in the middle and | :15:39. | :15:42. | |
certainly the two things he already said, the extra spending and telling | :15:43. | :15:47. | |
NATO to gets its act together, would push us in that direction. It's | :15:48. | :15:54. | |
saying it's time Europe paid more for its defence. They say, you can't | :15:55. | :16:02. | |
expect the US to pay more for the European children than the Europeans | :16:03. | :16:09. | |
do. I've been a strong supporter of NATO paying what they said they'd | :16:10. | :16:14. | |
pay. Misses May said it will be 2024. She runs a massive budget | :16:15. | :16:20. | |
surplus. If you make a commitment as part of NATO or any organisation, | :16:21. | :16:25. | |
you should meet it. What I don't think will make the world safer is | :16:26. | :16:33. | |
to kind of engage in what, as has been announced in some unnecessary | :16:34. | :16:39. | |
and frankly dangerous nuclear arms race - in cutting funding for the | :16:40. | :16:43. | |
State Department and foreign aid, I don't think he could be reducing | :16:44. | :16:47. | |
America's influence in the world and making states less safe. It raises | :16:48. | :16:53. | |
big questions for the UK because we used to be a leader in Europe and a | :16:54. | :16:57. | |
bridge between Britain and Europe. Now we are neither. The Europeans | :16:58. | :17:01. | |
will need us more than ever now. They will on the defence side. Let | :17:02. | :17:07. | |
me say this. You know, our objectives are also different. This | :17:08. | :17:10. | |
is actually a point John Major made in his speech. We want to contain | :17:11. | :17:17. | |
Russia and engage China and Trump wants to, you know, engage Russia | :17:18. | :17:22. | |
and engage China. We have very different objectives on trade, | :17:23. | :17:25. | |
refugees and we have a different view about protectionism. I think | :17:26. | :17:29. | |
this is going to put us in an extremely difficult position if | :17:30. | :17:32. | |
Theresa May believes that having a much, much closer relationship with | :17:33. | :17:40. | |
Trump is going to be the solution to all of our problems. Trump wants to | :17:41. | :17:44. | |
take a tougher line with China, that's clear. That means he can't be | :17:45. | :17:48. | |
seen to be too soft on Russia because Beijing will see that as a | :17:49. | :17:54. | |
sign of weakness? Look, what you say on its surface is fair enough. The | :17:55. | :17:58. | |
problem is, Donald Trump doesn't know what he thinks. One day he was | :17:59. | :18:02. | |
making a phone call to the President of Taiwan, saying I reject the one | :18:03. | :18:07. | |
China policy that's been the basis since Richard Nixon and Henry | :18:08. | :18:11. | |
Kissinger started relations with China and the Chinese said, oh, if | :18:12. | :18:15. | |
that's really your position, we don't want to talk to you. So Donald | :18:16. | :18:20. | |
Trump capitulated and he agreed to the one China policy before the | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
President of China would even get on the phone with him. This is amateur | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
hour in the extreme. You can find all the silver linings you want but | :18:30. | :18:34. | |
when an amateur takes over in the Whitehouse when leadership is so | :18:35. | :18:37. | |
important after eight years of going one way and eight years of going the | :18:38. | :18:41. | |
other way, it's a real danger for the world. Amateur hour at the | :18:42. | :18:44. | |
Whitehouse is what I'm worried about. Thank you. | :18:45. | :18:47. | |
Now it's late, clay pigeon shooting with Francois Hollande late, | :18:48. | :18:49. | |
but worry not, this program spends half its time misfiring and look | :18:50. | :18:53. | |
Cause for celebration, so waiting in the wings is the don | :18:54. | :19:06. | |
of dancing DJs David Rodigan is here to put codes | :19:07. | :19:09. | |
So save your Facebullets, stand down the twitter tanks, | :19:10. | :19:12. | |
If we'd never the Oscars wasn't a tedious lovy fest and reinvented | :19:13. | :19:31. | |
itself as the funniest show on earth, we'd have been off to | :19:32. | :19:35. | |
Hollywood in a shot. Here is Kevin Maguire with his award-winning | :19:36. | :19:36. | |
political round-up of the week. Now, the entire This Week team have | :19:37. | :19:58. | |
been casting their votes It all started when I offered odds | :19:59. | :20:04. | |
on the Labour winning in Copeland. Now I'm in serious trouble | :20:05. | :20:26. | |
and unless I get the money back, This Week's production values | :20:27. | :20:30. | |
will be rubbish. The political week started | :20:31. | :20:32. | |
with a row over changes The Prime Minister's policy adviser, | :20:33. | :20:36. | |
George Freeman, defended withholding assistance for people with mental | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
health issues, arguing Benefits have been given to people | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
who take pills at home, We want to make sure we get | :20:47. | :20:51. | |
the money to the really Things are going from bad | :20:52. | :20:55. | |
to worse with Labour. With odds this long, | :20:56. | :21:02. | |
perhaps it's worth a punt on Corbyn Then again, with Labour | :21:03. | :21:05. | |
imploding, who could hold Coming up on the inside, | :21:06. | :21:14. | |
it's Aaron Banks Moneybags. Arron Banks Moneybags is gaining | :21:15. | :21:22. | |
on Quisling Carswell. But out of retirement, we've not | :21:23. | :21:24. | |
heard the last of Nigel Farage, Quisling Carswell has | :21:25. | :21:28. | |
bitten Nigel Farage. And crossing the line, | :21:29. | :21:31. | |
the entire Ukip Derby is riderless. Jockeying for position among Ukip's | :21:32. | :21:38. | |
senior figures has left the party in disarray, | :21:39. | :21:44. | |
with donor Arron Banks this week threatening to stand | :21:45. | :21:48. | |
against its only MP, And there were claims Carswell tried | :21:49. | :21:50. | |
to block a knighthood And unlike Sir Philip Green, Nige | :21:51. | :21:54. | |
can't afford 363 million to get one. So, Mr Farage pretty much | :21:55. | :22:00. | |
thinks Carswell should He tried to undermine | :22:01. | :22:07. | |
everything we've stood for for a very long time, | :22:08. | :22:13. | |
in terms of policy, Do you think you | :22:14. | :22:16. | |
deserve a knighthood? The Tories are romping home | :22:17. | :22:19. | |
and Mrs May's got tight reins But some of the Conservatives | :22:20. | :22:39. | |
are a bit skittish about Brexit. Eight months ago, a majority | :22:40. | :22:44. | |
of voters opted to leave I believed then, as I do now, | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
that was an historic mistake. A hard Brexit, which is | :22:50. | :22:56. | |
where we appear to be But the Foreign Secretary | :22:57. | :22:59. | |
was having none of it. Sometimes I get a bit impatient | :23:00. | :23:10. | |
when I hear people droning and moaning about the state | :23:11. | :23:14. | |
of the world, and I hear them warn that the sky's | :23:15. | :23:18. | |
about fall on our heads, or not inconsiderably likely | :23:19. | :23:21. | |
to fall on our heads. The odds are lengthening | :23:22. | :23:24. | |
considerably on an easy ride for the Brexit Bill, | :23:25. | :23:30. | |
after the Lords this week in the committee stage passed | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
a significant amendment protecting These people need to know now, | :23:36. | :23:37. | |
not in two years' time, They simply can't put | :23:38. | :23:46. | |
their lives on hold. Just as Brexit means Brexit, legally | :23:47. | :23:51. | |
resident means legally resident. And were I in that position, | :23:52. | :23:54. | |
I would be much more concerned to have a statutory right, | :23:55. | :23:59. | |
than a political assurance. I borrowed a fiver off Michael, | :24:00. | :24:03. | |
and when he wanted it back after ten seconds, | :24:04. | :24:19. | |
he set the bailiffs on me. I just need one high stakes | :24:20. | :24:23. | |
win to turn it round. Talking of high stakes, | :24:24. | :24:29. | |
people in Northern Ireland went to the polls today to elect | :24:30. | :24:36. | |
a new power-sharing executive, but tensions between the DUP | :24:37. | :24:39. | |
and Sinn Fein mean forming that executive might be difficult, | :24:40. | :24:41. | |
raising the possibility The Labour leader went | :24:42. | :24:43. | |
on benefit cuts at PMQs Even up against jokes | :24:44. | :25:04. | |
as bad as this. Withdraw this deep decision, | :25:05. | :25:10. | |
this nasty decision, accept the court's judgment, | :25:11. | :25:12. | |
and support those going through a very difficult | :25:13. | :25:14. | |
time in their lives. After the result in Copeland last | :25:15. | :25:18. | |
week, the honourable member for Lancaster and Fleetwood summed | :25:19. | :25:28. | |
up the by-election result by saying it was an incredible result | :25:29. | :25:32. | |
for the Labour Party. You know, I think that word actually | :25:33. | :25:34. | |
describes the right honourable This is the EU's | :25:35. | :25:37. | |
headquarters in London. They've got loads of money | :25:38. | :25:46. | |
and experience dealing Ich bin ein desperado | :25:47. | :25:49. | |
from This Week. They've sold it to | :25:50. | :25:56. | |
the Tories already. I'm off to busk | :25:57. | :26:05. | |
outside of Annabel's. They're not going to let him into | :26:06. | :26:12. | |
Annabel's. And with us, a man who like everyone | :26:13. | :26:31. | |
else who ends up on the This Week sofa, realises his career | :26:32. | :26:35. | |
is done and dusted. Former SNP supremo in | :26:36. | :26:37. | |
Chief, Alex Salmond. Liz, does the House of Lords vote | :26:38. | :26:48. | |
matter? I hope it does. I hope it persuades some Conservative MPs to | :26:49. | :26:51. | |
change their mind and back that amendment. I think it is the right | :26:52. | :26:58. | |
thing to do for people who came here believing their future would be | :26:59. | :27:02. | |
secure. It's actually right for our economy at the moment because we | :27:03. | :27:08. | |
need EU citizens doing those jobs. I think it's also, if we did it, it | :27:09. | :27:12. | |
would be a signal of goodwill in terms of the negotiations with the | :27:13. | :27:15. | |
rest of Europe. Given all that, Labour's going to throw in the towel | :27:16. | :27:19. | |
after one round of Ping-Pong, aren't they? Well, we accept the result of | :27:20. | :27:22. | |
the referendum. I wish it was something otherwise but it is the | :27:23. | :27:27. | |
referendum, it happened and I believe when we have referendums, we | :27:28. | :27:30. | |
accept the result. The House of Lords vote then probably won't | :27:31. | :27:35. | |
matter will it? Not if Labour raise the white flag on it. It's the | :27:36. | :27:39. | |
weakest point of the Bill because there probably is a natural majority | :27:40. | :27:44. | |
even in the Commons who if left to their own devices would choose that | :27:45. | :27:50. | |
amendment. Of course, the point you make about resolve, if a Government | :27:51. | :27:56. | |
is going to back down, they have to believe the opposition are going to | :27:57. | :27:58. | |
take the matter all the way. And they don't. And therefore that is a | :27:59. | :28:03. | |
big weakness. Nor do I accept, people say oh well that's the result | :28:04. | :28:08. | |
of the referendum and it didn't on the ballot paper say European | :28:09. | :28:11. | |
citizens low pressure their rights jeopardised, it didn't say we are | :28:12. | :28:15. | |
coming out the single market. It's a perfectly legitimate case for | :28:16. | :28:17. | |
putting the heat on the Government far, far more than the opposition is | :28:18. | :28:22. | |
doing. The House of Lords is full of people who want a soft Brexit, | :28:23. | :28:27. | |
rather than a hard Brexit. If you give away an important point before | :28:28. | :28:30. | |
we have had a negotiation, it follows that the Brexit will be | :28:31. | :28:34. | |
harder than it otherwise would be? It doesn't follow at all. I think it | :28:35. | :28:40. | |
does. I agree about the gesture of goodwill. At the end of the day, | :28:41. | :28:43. | |
everybody believes that the rights of European citizens in the UK and | :28:44. | :28:48. | |
the rights of UK citizens in the European Union will not be | :28:49. | :28:51. | |
jeopardised and will be protected. Therefore this is a kind of falses a | :28:52. | :28:56. | |
Margaret Beckett of negotiations -- false aspect of negotiations. Then | :28:57. | :29:00. | |
don't interfere with the Bill. Except of course that... It's very | :29:01. | :29:04. | |
well for you to sit on the sofa and say that but for people who're at | :29:05. | :29:07. | |
the hot end of this, you know, who've had their position described | :29:08. | :29:10. | |
as a bargaining chip, my constituents do not see this as... | :29:11. | :29:16. | |
Well, as Norman Tebbit said, you are worrying about people living in | :29:17. | :29:19. | |
Britain without worrying about the British people. Actually, the more | :29:20. | :29:23. | |
important amendment is about trying to get Parliament to have a | :29:24. | :29:26. | |
meaningful vote on the final relationship. That's such humbug. | :29:27. | :29:32. | |
It's not. How... That is the way that we I think do keep the pressure | :29:33. | :29:36. | |
up on Theresa May not to have a hard Brexit. It also I think would | :29:37. | :29:41. | |
strengthen her hand with the E usmt - I know you disagree - she would be | :29:42. | :29:45. | |
able to say to them, the House won't support it if you give it a bad | :29:46. | :29:50. | |
deal. That's what's so important about it. -- the EU. We spend years | :29:51. | :29:55. | |
negotiating. At the end we get the best possible deal and it's brought | :29:56. | :30:00. | |
back to Britain and Parliament says oh no, that's not good enough. The | :30:01. | :30:04. | |
European Union will say, sorry, we didn't realise that the House of | :30:05. | :30:09. | |
Commons wouldn't agree. MEPs can do much more to scrutinise what the | :30:10. | :30:13. | |
Commission does. We are about to have many more powers by leaving the | :30:14. | :30:16. | |
European Union. I would have thought you would have wanted British MPs to | :30:17. | :30:22. | |
have the same power as MPs. Enough of Europe. Let's move on. | :30:23. | :30:30. | |
Why isn't Nicola Sturgeon as keen as you tap a second independence | :30:31. | :30:39. | |
referendum. I am sure there is no difference between us on that. | :30:40. | :30:43. | |
Nicola is going about things the right way. She has offered | :30:44. | :30:47. | |
compromise proposals which have been knocked down one by one. The last | :30:48. | :30:51. | |
one is the proposal to keep Scotland in the single market even if the | :30:52. | :30:56. | |
rest of the UK goes out, an argument which has been described as possible | :30:57. | :31:00. | |
by a Cabinet minister. That is the one that the UK Government have | :31:01. | :31:05. | |
still to respond to. If they do not respond in the way that she would | :31:06. | :31:10. | |
like, will there be a second referendum? The criteria is to put | :31:11. | :31:16. | |
it in as part of the negotiating position. My understanding is that | :31:17. | :31:20. | |
they will not go that route. Forgive her if she waits for the decision. I | :31:21. | :31:26. | |
was struck by a quote from a Downing Street source in the Times which | :31:27. | :31:31. | |
said, we might have three constitutional crises together, | :31:32. | :31:34. | |
Brexit, is Scottish referendum and direct rule in Northern Ireland. It | :31:35. | :31:38. | |
was said as if these things were coming as an act of God. They are | :31:39. | :31:43. | |
within the ability of Downing Street to have them altogether or not. But | :31:44. | :31:49. | |
I asked if, in your view, there would be a second independence | :31:50. | :31:54. | |
referendum. If the government sweeps aside the compromise proposal from | :31:55. | :31:58. | |
Nicola Sturgeon, if they are not interested in the view of the | :31:59. | :32:02. | |
Scottish parliament, jobs, security in the marketplace, then in Nicola | :32:03. | :32:07. | |
Sturgeon's bone words, a referendum becomes very likely. But she is not | :32:08. | :32:12. | |
going to call for a second referendum unless she thinks she can | :32:13. | :32:16. | |
win. There is evidence that there is more support for that now than there | :32:17. | :32:20. | |
was previously. That is a real political problem. Two thirds of | :32:21. | :32:26. | |
people do not want a second referendum. That is not true either. | :32:27. | :32:35. | |
Two thirds of people do not want a second referendum and it looks like | :32:36. | :32:38. | |
it would be the same result, and that is a real problem for the SNP. | :32:39. | :32:44. | |
There have been 18 polls since the Brexit vote. 17 out of 18 have shown | :32:45. | :32:49. | |
support for independence on a binary choice higher than it was in | :32:50. | :32:56. | |
September 2000 and 14. They still show a minority, though. Not all of | :32:57. | :33:02. | |
them. But on a poll of polls it would still be... About 47, 40 8%. | :33:03. | :33:11. | |
The last one was 49%. I recall the independence referendum was 28% for | :33:12. | :33:16. | |
a yes vote back in 2012. If I was prepared to do it at 28%, I do not | :33:17. | :33:25. | |
think Nicola Sturgeon would mind at 47%. But she has always contended | :33:26. | :33:28. | |
there would only be a second referendum if it was the clear will | :33:29. | :33:32. | |
of the Scottish people and the polls do not show that. The manifesto | :33:33. | :33:39. | |
commitment from last year when she was elected with 47% of the vote was | :33:40. | :33:44. | |
that the Scottish parliament should have the right to hold a referendum | :33:45. | :33:47. | |
if Scotland is faced with being dragged out of Europe against the | :33:48. | :33:52. | |
will of the Scottish people. That is a clear mandate. I interviewed her | :33:53. | :33:57. | |
and she said we will have won if the Scottish people want one. The only | :33:58. | :34:01. | |
way to judge that is from the polls, which are quite clear that they do | :34:02. | :34:10. | |
not want one. I think if we gained as much ground as we did in the last | :34:11. | :34:15. | |
referendum... I am talking about having a referendum. Nicola has | :34:16. | :34:21. | |
described the chances of another referendum in the event of that | :34:22. | :34:24. | |
compromise proposal not being accepted or included in the UK | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
negotiating position as very likely. With respect to the Westminster | :34:30. | :34:34. | |
observers, you would be very foolish to underrate the resolve of Nicola | :34:35. | :34:40. | |
Sturgeon. Are you up for a second referendum? I find it extraordinary | :34:41. | :34:43. | |
that the UK Government has managed to put itself in a position where | :34:44. | :34:48. | |
apparently the SNP can call a referendum whenever it feels the | :34:49. | :34:51. | |
opinion polls are drifting in its direction. The incompetence involved | :34:52. | :34:57. | |
in the UK legislation that enabled the first referendum is | :34:58. | :35:00. | |
extraordinary. Alex said, when the first referendum result was | :35:01. | :35:05. | |
concluded, that it was settled for a generation, and many people would | :35:06. | :35:09. | |
feel cheated that the SNP view is that whenever opinion polls swing in | :35:10. | :35:11. | |
their direction they would like another referendum. You do not | :35:12. | :35:18. | |
dispute the event from the SNP manifesto, that the Scottish | :35:19. | :35:22. | |
Parliament should have the right to hold another referendum. It is clear | :35:23. | :35:27. | |
enough. It is clear but we are not bound to agree with it. You said at | :35:28. | :35:33. | |
the time that it was settled for a generation. Yes, but that was last | :35:34. | :35:39. | |
year. Yes, and now you are saying something else. Last year in the | :35:40. | :35:42. | |
manifesto for the Scottish elections, Nicola Sturgeon put | :35:43. | :35:48. | |
forward that proposition. You have kicked yourself ever since you said | :35:49. | :35:54. | |
it was settled for a generation. You made one mistake when you said it | :35:55. | :35:58. | |
was for a generation and another when you left the leadership. I have | :35:59. | :36:04. | |
made many mistakes. What if the Westminster government says, if you | :36:05. | :36:07. | |
want a second referendum, you should have one, but you can't have one | :36:08. | :36:14. | |
until the Brexit deal is done, until the Scottish people know what the | :36:15. | :36:18. | |
choice is, Britain out of the EU on these terms, or independence? On a | :36:19. | :36:24. | |
clear manifesto commitment, if there is a majority in the Scottish | :36:25. | :36:28. | |
Parliament, my view is that the boat sailed when David Cameron first | :36:29. | :36:32. | |
resisted the idea of a Scottish referendum. You have a referendum | :36:33. | :36:39. | |
before we knew the terms of Brexit? The soonest we go have a referendum | :36:40. | :36:45. | |
is next autumn. The shape of the Brexit deal will be done. Not the | :36:46. | :36:52. | |
way that Europe operates. It would be the prospect of a certain | :36:53. | :36:56. | |
European future against the uncertainty of Brexit, which seems | :36:57. | :37:00. | |
an appealing prospect on which to hold a referendum. John McDonnell | :37:01. | :37:10. | |
thinks there is a soft coup under way against the late -- Labour | :37:11. | :37:15. | |
leadership, so he's inviting Peter Mandelson ran for tea, a euphemism | :37:16. | :37:19. | |
for breaking his legs. Here, a cup of tea means just that, and to keep | :37:20. | :37:25. | |
this well oiled machine running cast and crew have to abide by civilised | :37:26. | :37:30. | |
norms. No kneeling on the sofas, no knee capping and no Pete Doherty. | :37:31. | :37:34. | |
That is why we are putting codes of conduct in the spotlight. | :37:35. | :37:41. | |
Parliament is a place where politicians fight. | :37:42. | :37:45. | |
I think that word actually describes the right honourable | :37:46. | :37:48. | |
But do codes of conduct keep scraps good, clean fun? | :37:49. | :37:59. | |
Not for Labour's Mary Creagh on Tuesday. | :38:00. | :38:01. | |
I would urge her not to be hysterical about | :38:02. | :38:03. | |
I expect that sort of language from the sketch writers | :38:04. | :38:08. | |
of the Daily Mail, not from the Chancellor | :38:09. | :38:10. | |
What are the rules when it comes to clashes between | :38:11. | :38:17. | |
Nigel Farage gave Ukip's sole MP, Douglas Carswell, | :38:18. | :38:21. | |
I dislike him because he damaged me, Ukip and the Leave campaign. | :38:22. | :38:26. | |
I've been campaigning to get rid of him for a very long time. | :38:27. | :38:30. | |
Meanwhile, Donald Trump continued to tear up | :38:31. | :38:40. | |
the civilised rules of engagement between politicians and press. | :38:41. | :38:45. | |
They say that we can't criticise their dishonest coverage | :38:46. | :38:48. | |
You know, they always bring up "the first amendment". | :38:49. | :38:53. | |
But the Donald upheld a collegiate code when he called for politicians | :38:54. | :38:56. | |
to set aside their differences for the sake of the nation during | :38:57. | :39:00. | |
Democrats and Republicans should get together and unite | :39:01. | :39:06. | |
As did parliamentarians and journalists, for charity, | :39:07. | :39:11. | |
# Sound boy, Rodigan no inna no fuss and fight.# | :39:12. | :39:24. | |
Clashes are reggae DJ David Rodigan's bread-and-butter. | :39:25. | :39:26. | |
So are codes of conduct essential to keeping competition fun | :39:27. | :39:31. | |
Welcome to the prop -- programme. You specialise in sound clash. Does | :39:32. | :39:56. | |
it have a code of conduct? Definitely, stretching back over 60 | :39:57. | :40:01. | |
years. Jamaicans love contest. In the late 50s and rolling into the | :40:02. | :40:07. | |
1960s, enormous mobile discos would travel around entertaining local | :40:08. | :40:11. | |
communities. They were powered and driven by acetate switch were | :40:12. | :40:17. | |
exclusive recordings. Then they started importing records from | :40:18. | :40:20. | |
America and then making their own records. And the essence of this | :40:21. | :40:24. | |
culture is that ultimately boils down to contest, who can draw the | :40:25. | :40:29. | |
biggest crowd. The quality of the sound system and teams of sound | :40:30. | :40:33. | |
system players, at least half a dozen, they'll have a job to do. In | :40:34. | :40:38. | |
later years, that lead to actual clashing. Thousands would turn up | :40:39. | :40:45. | |
for these. They have them in New York, Jamaica, Japan. It is a | :40:46. | :40:47. | |
worldwide phenomenon, incredibly popular. To watch an Italian sound | :40:48. | :40:53. | |
system crashing against German sound systems is something to behold. They | :40:54. | :40:59. | |
are that obsessed with the culture. And they follow a code of conduct. | :41:00. | :41:05. | |
The rules are clear. You have to have a spokesperson for your sound | :41:06. | :41:08. | |
system. They are called a Mike person. And they have too referred | :41:09. | :41:13. | |
to the track that has just been played. If you go to the grand | :41:14. | :41:21. | |
finale, the one for one, there is an elimination process with six or | :41:22. | :41:24. | |
eight sound systems and you are left with two. It lasts for five hours | :41:25. | :41:30. | |
and you are left with two, a play-off. They played the best of | :41:31. | :41:33. | |
ten and every recording has to be unique and have then a minute. So | :41:34. | :41:40. | |
all of this has been customised. If your competitor plays a song by | :41:41. | :41:45. | |
Johnny Osborne, your speech has to connect to that track, the rhythm | :41:46. | :41:50. | |
track, or something that would lead you and your team to playing a | :41:51. | :41:53. | |
better Johnny Osborne, or a reaction to that Johnny Osborne. The speech | :41:54. | :41:58. | |
is all-important and it can sometimes get a bigger forward, a | :41:59. | :42:02. | |
Jamaican expression for a response from the crowd, than the record. The | :42:03. | :42:07. | |
speaker is very important. Listening to you, if this has rules of | :42:08. | :42:14. | |
conduct, which seems like a clash without rules, it seems that | :42:15. | :42:17. | |
everything needs rules of conduct in some way, to work. Of course. That | :42:18. | :42:25. | |
is how it works best. It is when people break the rules of conduct | :42:26. | :42:28. | |
and punch below the belt and make unnecessary comments because they | :42:29. | :42:32. | |
are lost for words and do not know what to say in connection to the | :42:33. | :42:36. | |
music... What draws people to the clash is how exclusive the music is. | :42:37. | :42:43. | |
Is the arbiter of the crowd? Absolutely. Thousands of die-hard | :42:44. | :42:47. | |
fans will stand in Brooklyn from 9pm until 4am. They will not like it if | :42:48. | :42:56. | |
you break the rules. They do not like it. Sometimes the race card is | :42:57. | :43:01. | |
used, personal comments are made, and the crowd react accordingly. You | :43:02. | :43:09. | |
love it, don't you? We should go on a trip to see one. It is phenomenal. | :43:10. | :43:15. | |
I got into it with a fellow broadcaster. I worked for the BBC on | :43:16. | :43:19. | |
Sunday evenings and years ago I started working with a colleague in | :43:20. | :43:24. | |
Jamaica and we did a radio clash. Where can we see you next? In a | :43:25. | :43:31. | |
field somewhere this summer. I did not want to bring them in because | :43:32. | :43:34. | |
they did not know what you were talking about, and they were | :43:35. | :43:37. | |
learning something, which is always useful. | :43:38. | :43:40. | |
Now, that's your lot for tonight bruvs, but not for dis crew. | :43:41. | :43:43. | |
We be reppin hard at ma girl LouLou's crib innit. | :43:44. | :43:46. | |
I have strictly no idea what I'm saying. | :43:47. | :43:52. | |
For those of you who can't hack the pace of an all- | :43:53. | :43:54. | |
nighter, we leave you with the settling sounds of Melania Trump | :43:55. | :43:59. | |
reading to children at a New York Hospital. | :44:00. | :44:06. | |
Nighty night, don't let Dr Seuss, or for that matter, | :44:07. | :44:09. | |
I came here to encourage everyone to read and to | :44:10. | :44:27. | |
just think about the books and what you want to achieve in life. | :44:28. | :44:37. | |
You can steer yourself any directions you choose. | :44:38. | :45:00. | |
You're too smart to go down any too so good street. | :45:01. | :45:06. |