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Are you excited about the general election? | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
Tonight, on This Week's countdown, the clock is ticking down | :00:00. | :00:21. | |
to yet another big vote, a general election. | :00:22. | :00:25. | |
But can the pro-Europeans do what some say is impossible | :00:26. | :00:27. | |
and, even now, rewrite the plan for Brexit? | :00:28. | :00:34. | |
The general election is not going to reverse us leaving the EU, | :00:35. | :00:37. | |
but we must support those MPs who are going to stand up | :00:38. | :00:39. | |
The biggest brain in the universe attempts to solve the election | :00:40. | :00:47. | |
countdown conundrum with his sonic screwdriver. | :00:48. | :00:52. | |
There's a serious fault with the space-time continuum. | :00:53. | :00:56. | |
Could this be the end of politics as we know it? | :00:57. | :01:01. | |
I'm sorry, there'll be no points for spelling Big Narstie like that. | :01:02. | :01:09. | |
I think all politicians are the same. | :01:10. | :01:11. | |
Do you think the general election's going to change anything? | :01:12. | :01:14. | |
It's going to be the greatest contest yet. | :01:15. | :01:22. | |
So let's join tonight's host - oh, that's me, Andrew Neil! | :01:23. | :01:30. | |
Hold it up to the light - not a brain in sight, | :01:31. | :01:35. | |
We leave you to your own admittedly limited devices for two weeks | :01:36. | :01:40. | |
The Prime Minister had categorically assured us - | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
six times - there would be no election before 2020. | :01:45. | :01:47. | |
So naturally she called one the moment our backs were turned. | :01:48. | :01:51. | |
Who woulda thunk it - a politician saying one | :01:52. | :01:53. | |
By the time we got back, old Jezza had morphed into Blighty's | :01:54. | :01:57. | |
answer to Cesar Chavez - without the oil or the sun - | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
the Lib Dems were predicting the biggest comeback | :02:02. | :02:04. | |
since Fleetwood Mac reformed in 1997, and Arron Banks said he'd | :02:05. | :02:08. | |
be Ukip's candidate in Clacton, just as soon as he can | :02:09. | :02:10. | |
Meanwhile, Uncle Nige decided against an eighth failed | :02:11. | :02:15. | |
bid to become an MP - Fox News is so much more | :02:16. | :02:18. | |
fun and lucrative - and Boy George finally worked out | :02:19. | :02:21. | |
that editing a newspaper is actually a full-time job. | :02:22. | :02:23. | |
Pity that didn't dawn on him when he was running the economy. | :02:24. | :02:28. | |
Here at This Week, we've reached peak apathy, | :02:29. | :02:30. | |
so much so that most of the team hasn't even bothered to turn up. | :02:31. | :02:35. | |
That's right - no sad man on a train, no | :02:36. | :02:37. | |
Instead I'm joined by the replacement bus services | :02:38. | :02:42. | |
of late-night political chat, our very own coalition of chaos, | :02:43. | :02:44. | |
Chuka #smoothoperator Umunna and Ann #ChaChaCha Widdecombe. | :02:45. | :02:55. | |
Welcome to you both. What did you think when you heard the election? I | :02:56. | :03:01. | |
wouldn't have done it at this time. I thought we should have another | :03:02. | :03:07. | |
year getting Brexit to be fully accepted, people just realising that | :03:08. | :03:10. | |
that was the way we were going to go. I feel was always if we had it | :03:11. | :03:14. | |
too soon it would turn into a second referendum, but nevertheless, she | :03:15. | :03:16. | |
has called it. I don't think there's any doubt about what the outcome is | :03:17. | :03:21. | |
going to be. She's going to win it. So I'm getting ready to get behind | :03:22. | :03:27. | |
them. What did you think, what was your reaction? Two things. I think | :03:28. | :03:31. | |
most people in Westminster, most parliamentarians on both sides of a | :03:32. | :03:34. | |
House Fortis nose cone to be a general election there would have | :03:35. | :03:37. | |
been an announcement before the Easter recess and people thought the | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
moment have passed, so there were quite stunned, on Tuesday. A second | :03:42. | :03:46. | |
thought was, well, why is she doing it? This whole thing about there's | :03:47. | :03:51. | |
disunity in the House of Commons on Brexit and we need unity, I mean, | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
very rarely as their unity on major issues in the House of Commons. The | :03:57. | :04:01. | |
purpose of the Commons is not really... That's right, a healthy | :04:02. | :04:05. | |
democracy, you need that contest of ideas. But really I think what this | :04:06. | :04:09. | |
is about, she imposing very much as a kind of Margaret Thatcher type | :04:10. | :04:13. | |
figure and Prime Minister and I think she's terrified of becoming | :04:14. | :04:16. | |
John Major, and I think she could see with a small majority that she | :04:17. | :04:22. | |
would become John Major on steroids, in terms of being weak and ending up | :04:23. | :04:26. | |
with a battle going on internally and her party and I think she's | :04:27. | :04:31. | |
gambling on a more moderate set of... Not much of a gamble, is it? | :04:32. | :04:40. | |
Well... Do you get my drift? She's gambling on more moderate, less | :04:41. | :04:43. | |
Eurosceptic MPs coming in to give her more flexibility, perhaps. And | :04:44. | :04:46. | |
getting her own mandate is something to do with it, these lines. | :04:47. | :04:52. | |
So, the lady IS for turning after all. | :04:53. | :04:54. | |
The PM says she needs a mandate to overcome resistance - | :04:55. | :04:56. | |
from the Lords to the Lib Dems - to her Brexit strategy. | :04:57. | :04:59. | |
Obviously, the Tories' stonking lead in the polls played no part | :05:00. | :05:02. | |
Mrs May hopes for a huge endorsement of what she means by Brexit. | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
Is this the last hurrah for the Remainers and do they have | :05:07. | :05:09. | |
any hope of stopping Brexit in its tracks? | :05:10. | :05:11. | |
Here's Gina Miller with her take of the week. | :05:12. | :05:27. | |
Brexitland a few years down the track - worse off, | :05:28. | :05:31. | |
deserted by foreign workers and without the great | :05:32. | :05:34. | |
Theresa May says she's called this election to ensure there is unity | :05:35. | :05:41. | |
in Westminster and no turning back on Brexit. | :05:42. | :05:45. | |
But, as my court victory showed, the referendum didn't hand | :05:46. | :05:48. | |
the Prime Minister a blank cheque, and nor should this election, | :05:49. | :05:52. | |
especially as we don't know the terms of the deal yet. | :05:53. | :06:09. | |
The Government must not be allowed to succeed in killing off | :06:10. | :06:12. | |
In an ideal world, we'll have time to put together | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
a progressive alliance, but there simply isn't that time. | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
That's why I am part of a crowd-funded tactical voting | :06:22. | :06:24. | |
campaign, hoping to endorse those who are opposed to a hard Brexit. | :06:25. | :06:30. | |
We are hoping to back a wide slate of candidates who we can trust | :06:31. | :06:34. | |
will back a meaningful vote at the end of the negotiations. | :06:35. | :06:44. | |
So many MPs are against Brexit but can't speak up | :06:45. | :06:47. | |
But now is not the time to keep quiet. | :06:48. | :06:53. | |
In fact, if the ultimate deal leaves us worse off than we are today, | :06:54. | :06:58. | |
MPs must feel empowered to reject it. | :06:59. | :07:07. | |
This election is going to be more important than any in living memory. | :07:08. | :07:12. | |
It's the one that's going to be talked about in the pubs. | :07:13. | :07:16. | |
It will be about Brexit, so I urge you, look closely | :07:17. | :07:19. | |
at what the candidates say on the issue, | :07:20. | :07:21. | |
and vote for the one who stands on principle | :07:22. | :07:24. | |
Thanks to Apocalypse Events - The Village. | :07:25. | :07:34. | |
Welcome to the programme. You said at the end there, talking about | :07:35. | :07:46. | |
voting for people who do the best for Britain, but that's just code | :07:47. | :07:51. | |
for wanting to vote for people who. Brexit, isn't it? We're not talking | :07:52. | :07:57. | |
about stopping Brexit. It's what you want to do. No, it's not. If you | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
stand back from the emotion of it all, it's pure logic and common | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
sense that there are all options on the table and there are broadly | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
three options. One is for a fantastic deal, where everyone gets | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
what they want. The second is WTO, which the government itself has | :08:14. | :08:18. | |
accepted is far more, located than they first envisaged, and the third | :08:19. | :08:21. | |
is looking at if we would be better off remaining. Now anybody who | :08:22. | :08:27. | |
says... But you want to remain. I was never four remain or leave, it | :08:28. | :08:31. | |
was about remaining if that was the best option. You calculated to | :08:32. | :08:36. | |
thwart Brexit. There's nothing wrong with that. It's a democracy. You can | :08:37. | :08:42. | |
support whatever you want. But why not just admit it, instead of having | :08:43. | :08:47. | |
these other motives over it? I love that you know what's in my mind, | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
because it's not. It's quite easy to the! You just talked about a | :08:52. | :08:57. | |
country, we will be deserted by foreign workers. That was how you | :08:58. | :09:00. | |
opened your piece. You think we are going to hell in a handbasket. No, | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
I'm interested in the facts, not the emotions of any of this. Why will we | :09:06. | :09:10. | |
be deserted by foreign workers? We can already see if you are not going | :09:11. | :09:13. | |
to have access to free movement there will be a problem. Why will we | :09:14. | :09:19. | |
be deserted by foreign workers by leaving the EU? Because we won't | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
have free movement. Deserted means all the people who are already here | :09:25. | :09:28. | |
will leave, why? The experience I've had since I started my court case, | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
there's an air around people the UK where they feel... They haven't left | :09:34. | :09:39. | |
yet. The point is, that that phrase, deserted by foreign workers, Britain | :09:40. | :09:42. | |
much poorer, it shows what you really think. It's a perfectly | :09:43. | :09:45. | |
legitimate point of view. But you don't seem to want to be honest | :09:46. | :09:51. | |
enough to admit that is what you -- your game plan is. I'm honest enough | :09:52. | :09:56. | |
to say nobody has a future. You said we'll be deserted by foreign | :09:57. | :10:00. | |
workers. That's a possibility and already we see people feeling they | :10:01. | :10:05. | |
are not welcome here and that somehow... Who's not welcome here? I | :10:06. | :10:09. | |
get thousands and thousands of messages and phone calls from people | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
saying they feel no longer welcome. That's because you've taken a high | :10:14. | :10:17. | |
profile position. I get that all the time, on things as well. Yellow | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
Babineaux, I'm not talking about the attacks. Verbal attacks. I'm talking | :10:23. | :10:26. | |
about people's experiences of how they feel. They feel they are no | :10:27. | :10:30. | |
longer welcomed here, they feel this is not the country they thought this | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
was. All right, what do you make of Gina's tactical voting plan? First | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
of all, to talk about a Brexit that's not really a Brexit is a | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
complete nonsense. We cannot continue to be governed by EU laws, | :10:46. | :10:53. | |
remain subject to free movement of labour and have that qualifies for | :10:54. | :10:55. | |
the title of Brexit. It's one all other. I share Andrew's view, for | :10:56. | :11:02. | |
goodness' sake, say what you mean, which is that you want to remain. | :11:03. | :11:06. | |
Let's have that debate. My worry always was this was going to turn | :11:07. | :11:09. | |
into a second referendum. There are other issues which we ought to be | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
discussing, but that wasn't the question you ask me. It was about | :11:14. | :11:20. | |
tactical voting. Yes, will it work? It generally doesn't. You always get | :11:21. | :11:23. | |
some uptake but it generally doesn't and time I hear there's going to be | :11:24. | :11:28. | |
tactical voting, there's going to be alliances, people joining in favour | :11:29. | :11:31. | |
other people, it doesn't actually happen because the campus is so | :11:32. | :11:36. | |
broad in the end people are not just deciding on Brexit, however | :11:37. | :11:39. | |
important it is. Would you really vote for Corbyn just because there's | :11:40. | :11:42. | |
a pro-remain candidate there? You won't. Mr Corbyn is not | :11:43. | :11:48. | |
overwhelmingly pro-remain, as we can see. That wasn't my point. Should | :11:49. | :11:51. | |
there not be a referendum on the final deal? I have to say I'm not | :11:52. | :12:00. | |
the biggest fan of referenda, partly because I think people elect members | :12:01. | :12:06. | |
of Parliament to give effect to their wishes, and I think we saw | :12:07. | :12:10. | |
with the referendum and the triggering of Article 50, the | :12:11. | :12:13. | |
difficulties for members of parliament when they are juxtaposed | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
against a direct democratic popular vote, so personally I would rather | :12:18. | :12:20. | |
it was members of Parliament voting on it. So it goes to the Commons, | :12:21. | :12:25. | |
rather than to a referendum? Yes, because we are elected to do a job. | :12:26. | :12:31. | |
I think what Gina is doing is very interesting and actually very | :12:32. | :12:36. | |
helpful in the context of this selection, for people who, you know, | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
are part of that 48% who want to know where different MPs stand on | :12:41. | :12:42. | |
things and I think what your project is going to help voters do is be | :12:43. | :12:46. | |
able to identify whether you've got somebody who is in favour of a soft | :12:47. | :12:55. | |
Brexit, or... What's a soft Brexit? There are two ways, this is my | :12:56. | :12:58. | |
subjective analysis of it, I note Ann has a different... I'm asking | :12:59. | :13:05. | |
your opinion. You can withdraw from the EU in an extreme way... Lots of | :13:06. | :13:13. | |
soft Brexit? My definition would be we remain a member of the single | :13:14. | :13:18. | |
market. We would be subject to the European Union... That's right. Hang | :13:19. | :13:25. | |
on, let me finish, a lot is made at that point but if we want to | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
continue trading with the European Union the agreement will be be | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
governed by some other authority and, but also, Andrew, if we want to | :13:35. | :13:41. | |
continue trading into the European Union leavers and Remainers are both | :13:42. | :13:44. | |
saying, we're going to have to comply with the standards and rules. | :13:45. | :13:49. | |
We have to do that to export to America. Last time I looked, there | :13:50. | :13:53. | |
is no freedom of movement between Britain and America. Let me come | :13:54. | :13:56. | |
back to Gina Miller. Would you like a referendum when, if and when, | :13:57. | :13:59. | |
there's a deal done? I think it should be up to the MPs, | :14:00. | :14:09. | |
because we have a Parliamentary democracy, not a direct democracy. | :14:10. | :14:14. | |
If we elect MPs, they should be able to vote, to have a meaningful vote | :14:15. | :14:19. | |
on whatever the deal is. They are. We don't know that. Output a | :14:20. | :14:26. | |
government stop them? If you look at the government's copybook on using | :14:27. | :14:32. | |
Article 50, in my case, they tried to bypass Parliament, so how do we | :14:33. | :14:37. | |
know they won't do that again? The government has said it is | :14:38. | :14:40. | |
inconceivable for the European Parliament to have a vote but not | :14:41. | :14:45. | |
the British Parliament. Mrs May has promised there will be a vote on a | :14:46. | :14:50. | |
hard deal or no deal. That isn't meaningful. A meaningful vote is a | :14:51. | :14:52. | |
vote on all the options available to MPs. A meaningful vote is, this is | :14:53. | :14:59. | |
the deal that has been negotiated, and there will be only one deal | :15:00. | :15:03. | |
negotiated at the end, and do we accept that or not? That is the only | :15:04. | :15:07. | |
question that can be asked, because there is no other deal. There are | :15:08. | :15:14. | |
three options, not two. Another way is to give Parliament a vote | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
earlier, so it can say to the Prime Minister, go back... It can tie the | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
Prime Minister's and in negotiations. That is all right, | :15:25. | :15:30. | |
isn't it? I disagree with this notion. Can I come on a different | :15:31. | :15:34. | |
tack? The interesting thing is the extent to which the general election | :15:35. | :15:39. | |
will be governed by this issue, or weather, by the end of this | :15:40. | :15:43. | |
seven-week period... But that is economic competence... The reason we | :15:44. | :15:49. | |
have Gina Miller tonight, it has been a legitimate criticism from the | :15:50. | :15:57. | |
Remain side that country voted to leave but the actual shape of | :15:58. | :16:01. | |
leaving wasn't clear for the people had different views about it. Mrs | :16:02. | :16:04. | |
Majors herself was a remainder. If she now campaigns for Brexit in this | :16:05. | :16:12. | |
election campaign, which she says is her position, leaving membership of | :16:13. | :16:17. | |
the single market, we want to leave the customs union and get out of the | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
European court, we want an end of freedom of movement, and if she wins | :16:22. | :16:26. | |
the election on a big mandate, she has got a negotiating mandate to | :16:27. | :16:30. | |
that, hasn't she? Absolutely. Of course there wouldn't be a problem. | :16:31. | :16:37. | |
So what is the point of this progressive alliance? Because we are | :16:38. | :16:41. | |
talking about ensuring there isn't this huge mandate. The options, as | :16:42. | :16:44. | |
far as we see it, is that you have... You look back to what was | :16:45. | :16:49. | |
said in 1983, an elected majority is almost an elected dictatorship and | :16:50. | :16:57. | |
that is a game we are saying... But it has been speculated that it would | :16:58. | :17:04. | |
be too big. But you would accept, because she will have to spell out | :17:05. | :17:11. | |
what her negotiating position is,... All of the manifestos will. If she | :17:12. | :17:16. | |
gets a mandate, that visit, she has got the mandate to negotiate on that | :17:17. | :17:21. | |
basis. She does, but no Prime Minister is above the law and if, in | :17:22. | :17:25. | |
18 months, five years, whenever it is that the Prime Minister comes | :17:26. | :17:29. | |
back with the negotiated and doesn't give Parliament a full, meaningful | :17:30. | :17:33. | |
vote, then we may have to seek the advice of the courts on whether she | :17:34. | :17:40. | |
is allowed to do that. Back to the courts. Nobody is above the law. I | :17:41. | :17:45. | |
understand that but, if you don't think ring or interfering with the | :17:46. | :17:52. | |
democratic process into a democratic copy? When is it my hobby and when | :17:53. | :17:59. | |
am I a rich woman? I have a democratic -- I have significant day | :18:00. | :18:02. | |
jobs. This isn't a hobby. I have done this for nearly a decade and is | :18:03. | :18:06. | |
it OK that, if I am rich because I have owned my own money, that I | :18:07. | :18:11. | |
might use its...? I am wondering if it is your hobby. Absolutely not. | :18:12. | :18:18. | |
When you did the court case at the beginning, you said you just wanted | :18:19. | :18:21. | |
the court case to rule on whether the Commons at a vote. It was about | :18:22. | :18:28. | |
democracy. But now you are talking about 80 metric -- Democratic | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
Alliance. It is still about democracy. It has given you a new | :18:34. | :18:38. | |
purpose in life. It's the same purpose, that everybody has the duty | :18:39. | :18:42. | |
to stand up they believe in. Gina Miller, thank you. I think we will | :18:43. | :18:44. | |
see you again. Now, it's late - stand down | :18:45. | :18:45. | |
as a Labour MP late - but fear not, because waiting | :18:46. | :18:48. | |
in the wings is grime I listen to his choonz | :18:49. | :18:51. | |
every day and ting. He's here putting apathy | :18:52. | :18:54. | |
in our Spotlight, innit. So get on dem social | :18:55. | :18:56. | |
media vibes, fam. Get tweet twerking, because we've | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
had enough snap for one week. Now, it's generally accepted that | :19:02. | :19:06. | |
comrade Corbyn is facing the electoral uphill struggle | :19:07. | :19:10. | |
of a lifetime. One recent poll puts Labour 24 | :19:11. | :19:12. | |
points behind the Tories. But Jezza is no | :19:13. | :19:15. | |
stranger to long odds. After all, nobody ever thought | :19:16. | :19:16. | |
he'd be Labour leader. They are the peak of | :19:17. | :19:20. | |
political science - Here's Gyles Brandreth with his | :19:21. | :19:23. | |
round-up of the political week. Westminster has been | :19:24. | :19:32. | |
rocked to the core. News of a shock contest, | :19:33. | :19:51. | |
a battle so exciting, it has torn Who will be chosen | :19:52. | :19:56. | |
as the new Doctor Who? I have just chaired a meeting | :19:57. | :20:08. | |
of the Cabinet where we agreed that the government should call | :20:09. | :20:22. | |
a general election to be It will be a choice between strong | :20:23. | :20:24. | |
and stable leadership in the national interest, | :20:25. | :20:32. | |
with me as your Prime Minister, or weak and unstable | :20:33. | :20:36. | |
coalition government, led by Jeremy Corbyn, | :20:37. | :20:38. | |
propped up by the Liberal Democrats, who want to reopen the divisions | :20:39. | :20:42. | |
of the referendum, I can jump forward to | :20:43. | :20:46. | |
when the whole thing is over. I knew I shouldn't have let Michael | :20:47. | :21:02. | |
loose with the sonic screwdriver. No one saw the PM's move coming, | :21:03. | :21:06. | |
least of all the Labour Party. I welcome the opportunity for us | :21:07. | :21:09. | |
to put the case to the people of Britain, to stand up against this | :21:10. | :21:17. | |
government and its failed economic agenda, which has left our NHS | :21:18. | :21:20. | |
and problems, which has left our schools are underfunded, | :21:21. | :21:24. | |
which has left some We want to put a case out | :21:25. | :21:31. | |
there for the people of Britain of a society | :21:32. | :21:35. | |
that cares for all. With Labour trailing 20% | :21:36. | :21:37. | |
in the polls, Jeremy Corbyn has Not least with convincing | :21:38. | :21:39. | |
some of his own party. The rest of the opposition sounded | :21:40. | :22:07. | |
more up for the fight. It's an opportunity for the people | :22:08. | :22:14. | |
of this country to change the direction of this country, | :22:15. | :22:17. | |
to decide that they do not they want to keep Britain | :22:18. | :22:20. | |
in the single market and indeed it's an opportunity for us | :22:21. | :22:27. | |
to have a decent strong opposition in this country | :22:28. | :22:29. | |
that we desperately need. Things happen very | :22:30. | :22:31. | |
quickly and there could We are already polling | :22:32. | :22:33. | |
more highly than we were at the time | :22:34. | :22:37. | |
of the 2015 general election. Clearly she sees the opportunity, | :22:38. | :22:40. | |
given the disarray in the Labour Party, | :22:41. | :22:42. | |
to crush all opposition to her, to get rid of people who disagree | :22:43. | :22:45. | |
with her, and to give herself a free hand to take | :22:46. | :22:49. | |
the country in the increasingly right-wing direction | :22:50. | :22:52. | |
she wants to take it in. I relish the prospect of getting out | :22:53. | :22:56. | |
there, standing up for Scotland's interests and values, | :22:57. | :22:58. | |
standing up for Scotland's voice Cool, calculating, stripped | :22:59. | :23:02. | |
of all emotion, hell-bent Britain is leaving | :23:03. | :23:13. | |
the European Union, I have set out the divisions | :23:14. | :23:18. | |
that have become They can and will be used | :23:19. | :23:29. | |
against us, weakening our hand in the negotiations to come | :23:30. | :23:36. | |
and we must not let that happen. And that's why it's the right | :23:37. | :23:39. | |
and responsible thing for all of us here today to vote | :23:40. | :23:41. | |
for a general election. The Commons passed the PM's | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
Bill resoundingly. With opposition like that, Mrs May | :23:47. | :23:48. | |
really does need a mandate to Fighting an election was one job too | :23:49. | :23:56. | |
many for George Osborne. But don't worry, Osborne fans, | :23:57. | :24:10. | |
the former Chancellor and Tory election strategist, | :24:11. | :24:18. | |
will, he promises, be putting his oar in from the comfort | :24:19. | :24:23. | |
of the London Evening Standard. Provided he remembers those copy | :24:24. | :24:25. | |
deadlines, of course. Our country has some | :24:26. | :24:27. | |
big decisions to make now about the kind of Britain | :24:28. | :24:30. | |
we want to be, and those values of openness, tolerance, | :24:31. | :24:35. | |
diversity, enterprise, They are ones I fought | :24:36. | :24:36. | |
for in government as Chancellor, fought for in Parliament as the MP | :24:37. | :24:41. | |
for Tatton and now I'm going to fight for them in that editor's | :24:42. | :24:44. | |
chair at the Evening Standard. The PM, the apparently | :24:45. | :24:47. | |
quiet vicar's daughter, has shown her hand and it turns out | :24:48. | :24:50. | |
to be an iron fist in a No opportunity will be given | :24:51. | :24:53. | |
to doubters, no quarter given to the opposition, and definitely | :24:54. | :24:57. | |
no silly TV debates. If the Prime Minister | :24:58. | :25:02. | |
is so confident that her hard Brexit, pro-austerity, | :25:03. | :25:04. | |
anti-immigration case is right, then she should debate it | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
with opposition leaders We look forward to the straight | :25:10. | :25:11. | |
fight between the SNP and Can the Prime Minister tell | :25:12. | :25:16. | |
the people why she's running scared of a televised debate | :25:17. | :25:20. | |
with Nicola Sturgeon? DALEK: Election debate, | :25:21. | :25:27. | |
election debate. Thank very much to The Who Shop | :25:28. | :25:35. | |
in Upton Park, East London, who loaned Gyles their Tardis - | :25:36. | :25:46. | |
and then set their Dalek on him. With me now is the lovely Miranda | :25:47. | :26:01. | |
Green. And Suzanne Evans. Am I not lovely as well? It was meant to | :26:02. | :26:09. | |
cover you both. Chuka Umunna, why is your party 20 points behind in the | :26:10. | :26:16. | |
polls? Well, polls go up and down. Yours just go down. The ultimate one | :26:17. | :26:21. | |
that will matter is how voters cast their votes on the 8th of June. Why | :26:22. | :26:27. | |
are you 20 points behind? We have had a difficult two years, but what | :26:28. | :26:33. | |
you will see the Labour Party doing now, over the next few weeks, is | :26:34. | :26:38. | |
coming together and putting forward as a team and offered to the | :26:39. | :26:42. | |
country. Some of your MPs have said they are standing down. That isn't | :26:43. | :26:46. | |
coming together. That isn't unusual at elections. Ann stood down at | :26:47. | :26:55. | |
election. After 23 years! Some of them have been there that long. | :26:56. | :27:01. | |
However long people have been in, we are sad to lose them. But that's | :27:02. | :27:05. | |
politics. You don't do this job for ever. ... Would Jeremy Corbyn make a | :27:06. | :27:12. | |
good Prime Minister? There is a lot of talk about how difficult this | :27:13. | :27:14. | |
question is for MPs. My answer is simple. I am a Labour MP. It isn't | :27:15. | :27:21. | |
just about... I know you are, I didn't ask you that. Let me finish | :27:22. | :27:25. | |
my sentence. Answer the question! Would he make a good Prime Minister? | :27:26. | :27:32. | |
Reed I want a Labour team and its captain to get into government and I | :27:33. | :27:35. | |
will always think that the team and the captain will be better than a | :27:36. | :27:39. | |
Tory one. That is why I was elected in Streatham. Teams spin doctors | :27:40. | :27:45. | |
were working on that answer. Did this go wrong -- could this go wrong | :27:46. | :27:49. | |
for Theresa May? There are always risks in a general election but the | :27:50. | :27:54. | |
outcome of this one is as certain as any outcome can ever be in a | :27:55. | :27:59. | |
political context. She starts miles ahead in the polls. I'm sorry, | :28:00. | :28:02. | |
Chuka, but Jeremy Corbyn cannot be seen as a realistic PM. I didn't ask | :28:03. | :28:09. | |
you that, because I knew what the answer would be. She is starting | :28:10. | :28:13. | |
with all the advantages. She would need to throw something away for | :28:14. | :28:16. | |
anything to really wrong. Yet have the department of honesty. If the | :28:17. | :28:20. | |
real reason she has called the election? I think she wants to | :28:21. | :28:26. | |
secure a larger majority because I think there will be tough | :28:27. | :28:28. | |
negotiation ahead. And I think she wants to secure a proper majority, | :28:29. | :28:34. | |
and not to be weakened by always been on a knife edge in Parliament. | :28:35. | :28:40. | |
Nothing wrong with that. That was true a month ago, six weeks ago. | :28:41. | :28:44. | |
Yes, and her view was that she wasn't going to have an election. | :28:45. | :28:48. | |
She has obviously reflected on it but I don't go for all this, and it | :28:49. | :28:52. | |
doesn't matter which party the politician is, this business of, oh, | :28:53. | :28:57. | |
it's a U-turn. No, it's a mature reflection which has resulted in a | :28:58. | :29:04. | |
different decision. No, it looks and walks like a U-turn! It's a U-turn! | :29:05. | :29:10. | |
It's the mother of all U-turns! But that is a pejorative way of saying | :29:11. | :29:13. | |
that somebody has just changed their mind. The lady isn't for turning, | :29:14. | :29:21. | |
she can't say that now. This is more John Major than Mrs Thatcher. What | :29:22. | :29:25. | |
macro this is your line? No, I think it is why doing it. With a Lib Dem | :29:26. | :29:29. | |
recovery, what would it look like? It can't get worse than eight seats. | :29:30. | :29:41. | |
2016 was being smashed down onto the floor, so they'll do much better. | :29:42. | :29:45. | |
There is a sort of mood of wanting to take an opportunity to recover to | :29:46. | :29:48. | |
a respectable showing in the Commons and also to kind of capitalise on | :29:49. | :29:56. | |
Labour's weakness, because there are some Labour voters who are willing | :29:57. | :30:04. | |
to vote Lib Dems, but they do have to be able to take this opportunity | :30:05. | :30:11. | |
and it's not dangerous free, but they will improve their showing. And | :30:12. | :30:16. | |
also of course the May local elections might help the Lib Dems, | :30:17. | :30:19. | |
because if they do quite well in the local elections it will give them | :30:20. | :30:25. | |
momentum. Let me bring in Suzanne. This could be the beginning of the | :30:26. | :30:29. | |
four Ukip, couldn't it? It could be the beginning of new beginning as | :30:30. | :30:35. | |
well. We can't do much worse than having non-, which is the position | :30:36. | :30:41. | |
at the moment. Douglas Carswell, probably the first and the last MP | :30:42. | :30:46. | |
of your party? And he could probably not be, let's see what happens. You | :30:47. | :30:52. | |
are not confident, are you? We're not as confident as we were I don't | :30:53. | :30:56. | |
think before the 2015 general election, which was a massive | :30:57. | :30:59. | |
disappointment to us. 4 million votes, one member of Parliament, a | :31:00. | :31:04. | |
brilliant argument if ever there was one for voting reform. For | :31:05. | :31:08. | |
concentrating your resources on this leads you can win. We are having | :31:09. | :31:12. | |
those discussions at the moment, where are target seats are going to | :31:13. | :31:17. | |
be. What's your disagreement with Theresa May? What's Ukip about this | :31:18. | :31:23. | |
time? In terms of Theresa May, let's say she's talking very much in terms | :31:24. | :31:28. | |
of her Brexit vision, but she's not being very clear as well on some | :31:29. | :31:31. | |
other issues and I'm very interested to see what the Tory manifesto is | :31:32. | :31:36. | |
going to be. Her failure... Now you see the problems I have. Indeed, I | :31:37. | :31:43. | |
do. Question is what part of Theresa May's Brexit strategy do you | :31:44. | :31:48. | |
disagree with? Non-, at the moment. So what's the point? The mission she | :31:49. | :31:53. | |
set out is all very well. Ukip is much more than Brexit. It really is. | :31:54. | :31:58. | |
That's obviously what we've been seen... Grammar schools. The | :31:59. | :32:03. | |
government is doing that. Ukip is not... I'm quite enjoying this | :32:04. | :32:09. | |
coming you tell me the question! It's great! I'm not convinced, Ann, | :32:10. | :32:17. | |
that Theresa May is actually going to deliver the Brexit that the | :32:18. | :32:21. | |
British people want. How does standing against her promoter | :32:22. | :32:26. | |
Brexit? Are you suggesting we don't stand? We are political party. It's | :32:27. | :32:32. | |
what we do. Let me come back to appoint you made at the head of the | :32:33. | :32:39. | |
programme to put Ann, you and I both remember the Ted Heath election of | :32:40. | :32:44. | |
1974. He called it on who runs the country. That was the issue. Within | :32:45. | :32:48. | |
a week, that had ceased to be the issue. Many other things had become | :32:49. | :32:54. | |
the issue. There's a chance in that way it kind of runs away. You call | :32:55. | :33:00. | |
an election on one issue and people say, that's not what I want to talk | :33:01. | :33:04. | |
about, we want to talk about living standards, we want to talk about the | :33:05. | :33:07. | |
difficulties of good schools, waiting lists in the NHS, that's got | :33:08. | :33:11. | |
to be a risk for her. I have no doubt at all that all those types of | :33:12. | :33:16. | |
issues will, and will be debated. They are bound to, in the course of | :33:17. | :33:21. | |
a general election. In as far as one can never make predictions and | :33:22. | :33:25. | |
politics, it is very unlikely that Brexit will be overtaken, in the | :33:26. | :33:28. | |
sense that people will suddenly forget about it and start | :33:29. | :33:31. | |
concentrating on other things. I do remember the Tettey selection and he | :33:32. | :33:34. | |
said, who rules? That was the question he put. He said, who rules? | :33:35. | :33:43. | |
And people said, nobody. The result was indeterminate. Tim Farron | :33:44. | :33:48. | |
reckons that the Remain and Leave thing is going to produce a lot for | :33:49. | :33:53. | |
him, but I look in my own area, slightly different, I'm an anti-hard | :33:54. | :33:58. | |
Brexit MP and memories are short and a lot of take the NHS Andrew touched | :33:59. | :34:04. | |
on, a lot of what's happening to the NHS now was instigated by Liberal | :34:05. | :34:07. | |
Democrats with Conservatives in government and what he's bargaining | :34:08. | :34:12. | |
on is that areas that have been deeply affected by that, like my | :34:13. | :34:16. | |
own, will forget the cuts and forget the responsibility that the Liberal | :34:17. | :34:20. | |
Democrats pair for that now and say, OK, because he's Remain, therefore | :34:21. | :34:23. | |
I'm going to forget all that and support him. I think by the end of | :34:24. | :34:27. | |
this, I'm not sure that's going to happen. By the end of the thing, it | :34:28. | :34:31. | |
comes down to leadership and economy. It's an interesting point, | :34:32. | :34:36. | |
there are potential huge pitfalls for all of the main parties here. | :34:37. | :34:42. | |
Labour's pitfalls are obvious, it's to do with the leadership deficit | :34:43. | :34:46. | |
and the Corbyn factor. The Lib Dems do have this issue of how they deal | :34:47. | :34:49. | |
with the coalition years and they will make a big mistake if they try | :34:50. | :34:53. | |
and fight the last war. Already, some of the senior people who are | :34:54. | :34:57. | |
standing again have made the mistake in the last 24 hours of trying to | :34:58. | :35:00. | |
argue with the electorate about why they got such a kicking in 2015. | :35:01. | :35:06. | |
They can't do that. They need to move on. There's plenty to talk | :35:07. | :35:10. | |
about, about whether you want essentially an over dominant | :35:11. | :35:13. | |
Conservative Party without in effective opposition, and there they | :35:14. | :35:16. | |
can make a case that there's a contribution to make when the Labour | :35:17. | :35:20. | |
Party is in disarray. That will be their argument. If May is going into | :35:21. | :35:25. | |
this thinking it's a Brexit election, it might be what people | :35:26. | :35:28. | |
are focused on now but we've also triggered optical 50. We are on the | :35:29. | :35:32. | |
way out. I actually think there will be other issues that come to the | :35:33. | :35:35. | |
fore and take over from that quickly. NHS is one of them, on | :35:36. | :35:42. | |
which this Tory government has failed abysmally. The Health | :35:43. | :35:44. | |
Secretary is one of the most unpopular there's ever been, not | :35:45. | :35:49. | |
just... They're always unpopular. This was -- this one is particularly | :35:50. | :35:55. | |
unpopular. I wonder if the Westminster village doesn't | :35:56. | :35:58. | |
overestimate the whole Remain and Leave feeling in the country. It | :35:59. | :36:05. | |
just is not, in people's everyday lives in my area, Remain and Leave | :36:06. | :36:11. | |
and Brexit is important for a lot of people, a strong Remain | :36:12. | :36:13. | |
constituency. The health and education cuts is more immediate. | :36:14. | :36:18. | |
The point I made earlier which I think you make misunderstood, was | :36:19. | :36:24. | |
straightforward. Just because the Labour candidate is for Remain, why | :36:25. | :36:29. | |
would that make you vote for Cobilas Prime Minister? That was the point I | :36:30. | :36:33. | |
was trying to make earlier, when we had Gina here. I don't think | :36:34. | :36:37. | |
therefore that Brexit will be the sole determining factor. I think | :36:38. | :36:41. | |
competence, I think record, I think all those things will count and will | :36:42. | :36:45. | |
count heavily. And of course the Prime Minister wants to make it | :36:46. | :36:47. | |
about leadership, as she said several times. I wonder why. Let me | :36:48. | :36:54. | |
come back to you, Chuka. A lot of people on your side are realistic | :36:55. | :36:59. | |
they think if there's chance of them into power it will have to beat with | :37:00. | :37:03. | |
an alliance, there will not be an overall majority. It will have to be | :37:04. | :37:07. | |
an alliance. Is there any hope of a Progressive Alliance? It never seems | :37:08. | :37:11. | |
to take off in Britain? I think the problem is if you look on the left | :37:12. | :37:15. | |
and there's been this talk of Liberal Democrats, Greensand Labour, | :37:16. | :37:20. | |
the ASCII is always full Labour to stand down in favour of Green and | :37:21. | :37:29. | |
Lib Dem candidates. But the Greens stood out of the way in Richmond to | :37:30. | :37:36. | |
give the Lib Dems a clear run. The national and local did that, there | :37:37. | :37:40. | |
was a dispute, wasn't there? I spoke to Caroline Lucas today. She said | :37:41. | :37:45. | |
clearly, she wants to do that, but it has to be the decision of the | :37:46. | :37:49. | |
local party. I think in the end, some people are very squiffy about | :37:50. | :37:52. | |
this but in the end there's an issue in the sense that if there's to be | :37:53. | :37:56. | |
any kind of alliance of coalition, that's for the voters to determine. | :37:57. | :38:01. | |
It's not a backroom deal. This is all a disaster, Lynton Crosby's | :38:02. | :38:06. | |
brilliant slogan, which they are to repeat ad nauseam, is this strong | :38:07. | :38:10. | |
Tory leadership versus coalition of chaos. There is no prospect of a | :38:11. | :38:13. | |
coalition with Corbyn, nobody would touch him with a barge pole. Nicola | :38:14. | :38:21. | |
Sturgeon... That's right, it's difficult to talk about tactical | :38:22. | :38:24. | |
voting without playing into the hands of Lynton Crosby, so it makes | :38:25. | :38:27. | |
it very difficult even on the ground. I think there will be some | :38:28. | :38:33. | |
of it on the ground this time. It's clear Mrs May will seek a new | :38:34. | :38:35. | |
mandate, not just for Brexit. There's a lot of things she didn't | :38:36. | :38:40. | |
like in the 2015 manifesto. There's going to be new things, old promises | :38:41. | :38:45. | |
junked, new ones put in. What is the one thing above all you would like | :38:46. | :38:51. | |
to see that's new in the Tory manifesto? I want to see a promise | :38:52. | :38:57. | |
on immigration that is deliverable. And where the mechanisms will be | :38:58. | :39:02. | |
spelt out. Why do you have faith in Mrs May to deliver that, given her | :39:03. | :39:08. | |
appalling record of Home Secretary? She was also heavily restricted | :39:09. | :39:13. | |
during that time by EU law. She didn't control non-EU immigration. | :39:14. | :39:18. | |
Which is also subject to EU law and refugees. Wakey wakey! | :39:19. | :39:25. | |
LAUGHTER 26 minutes past 12! Servers are | :39:26. | :39:31. | |
trying to get a cat nap. We'll move on before we all fall asleep. | :39:32. | :39:36. | |
Old Choo Choo was so overwhelmed by the prospect of another election | :39:37. | :39:39. | |
that he bought a ticket on the Hindu Express | :39:40. | :39:41. | |
Sad man on the left Alan Johnson is even more disenchanted | :39:42. | :39:47. | |
He's said he's not playing any more and is off to write his memoirs. | :39:48. | :39:54. | |
That's why we're putting apathy in this week's spotlight. | :39:55. | :40:05. | |
The Prime Minister's called yet another national vote. | :40:06. | :40:07. | |
Oh, for gods sake, I can't honestly... | :40:08. | :40:14. | |
There's too much politics going on at the moment. | :40:15. | :40:19. | |
So what style of campaigning, if any, can win the electorate over? | :40:20. | :40:30. | |
I believe in campaigns where politicians actually get out | :40:31. | :40:33. | |
# I bore myself in broad daylight, 'cause I'm bored # | :40:34. | :40:44. | |
Or is the cure for apathy to topple the political | :40:45. | :40:46. | |
It's the establishment versus the people. | :40:47. | :40:51. | |
It's our historic duty to make sure the people prevail. | :40:52. | :40:59. | |
Even some of them have had enough of the whole thing. | :41:00. | :41:02. | |
Grime artist Big Narstie encouraged young people to take part in last | :41:03. | :41:16. | |
year's EU referendum, but does he still think voting's | :41:17. | :41:19. | |
worthwhile, or should we smash the system to bits? | :41:20. | :41:23. | |
Welcome. Do you think people get bored with voting so often? 100%, | :41:24. | :41:48. | |
man. If you look at the last two years, it still the same. People are | :41:49. | :41:53. | |
still sleeping in city centres, in bags for life, so with all the | :41:54. | :41:59. | |
schemes and policies that have happened, MPs saying they will do | :42:00. | :42:02. | |
this or that, it still seems the poor get poorer, the rich stay the | :42:03. | :42:07. | |
same and pay higher tax and instead of building council flats, there's | :42:08. | :42:13. | |
always a new need for a Tesco or Morrisons or Tesco local. So you're | :42:14. | :42:16. | |
saying it doesn't make any difference? Not at all. What do you | :42:17. | :42:24. | |
say to that, Chuka I think it does make a difference and Big Narstie is | :42:25. | :42:30. | |
from my neck of the woods, Lambeth. Of the things we thought, we don't | :42:31. | :42:34. | |
explain enough the tangible things that happen at the end of your road | :42:35. | :42:39. | |
that have been the result of a political decision, so I look at my | :42:40. | :42:44. | |
area, nine sure start children's centres, our secondary school | :42:45. | :42:46. | |
buildings are hell of a lot better than when you and I went to school, | :42:47. | :42:50. | |
and our primary school buildings, much better than when we went to | :42:51. | :42:54. | |
school, and that was as a result of political decisions. New health | :42:55. | :43:02. | |
centres that were built. All right. People don't associate that with a | :43:03. | :43:06. | |
political decision. You've got better schools, more sure start | :43:07. | :43:07. | |
eschew That is supposed to be standard. I | :43:08. | :43:17. | |
agree. We didn't have it before though. This is what is sick about | :43:18. | :43:24. | |
the situation. So the politicians 20 years before you, when everybody had | :43:25. | :43:31. | |
their power before and they give a speech about how they care for the | :43:32. | :43:35. | |
community, it sounds nice... The thing with elections coming yet, the | :43:36. | :43:40. | |
focus is on the election instead of the people, because the truth is | :43:41. | :43:47. | |
that they are real things that we need, they don't look fancy, and to | :43:48. | :43:52. | |
the establishment, it's really uncomfortable. For more politicians | :43:53. | :43:56. | |
to say, do you know what? There is that 20 square thousand feet left in | :43:57. | :44:02. | |
the city centre. We're not going to build a new JD sports. I think we | :44:03. | :44:06. | |
should build someone bed flats, but that isn't cool to say because it | :44:07. | :44:11. | |
will ruin your campaign. That is what gets said all the time. The | :44:12. | :44:16. | |
long-term effect is, because you said just to get through and didn't | :44:17. | :44:19. | |
do it, the next person said it and didn't do it, so now we are here, | :44:20. | :44:25. | |
and the man is saying, politicians, you lot are dead food. What is dead | :44:26. | :44:33. | |
food? Floppy disks, minidisks. In the sense of, when you leave this | :44:34. | :44:36. | |
place right now and the lights go off and you go about your business, | :44:37. | :44:40. | |
you've got a good job and you are OK. Let's talk about the people who | :44:41. | :44:47. | |
have to bank ?88 every two weeks and being told, because of what they | :44:48. | :44:53. | |
have in their house, they need to pay tax on that. Even prime | :44:54. | :44:58. | |
ministers, if you want to run this country, we need to go back to | :44:59. | :45:02. | |
basics. It doesn't matter you are poor or rich. You need to have the | :45:03. | :45:06. | |
mind state to think for more than just one. But the problem is now, | :45:07. | :45:11. | |
like most places in the world, the poor out to the rich. There are more | :45:12. | :45:22. | |
poor people than rich people. One minute, this one is going to mash | :45:23. | :45:28. | |
your mind. Imagine this. It's not your fault that you come from a | :45:29. | :45:31. | |
loving home with two parents who have worked hard to give you a | :45:32. | :45:35. | |
better future and provide some stability for you, but let's talk | :45:36. | :45:39. | |
about the kids who haven't. How can a person who has had a perfect life, | :45:40. | :45:42. | |
who has grew up in a perfect society, you've never had an | :45:43. | :45:47. | |
electric meter in your life, you've never sat in a passageway looking at | :45:48. | :45:51. | |
a baby thinking, how am I going to... Who are you talking to? I | :45:52. | :45:58. | |
thought you were talking to Ann. But the group will I bring her in? But | :45:59. | :46:05. | |
like everybody to have a word. And I'd like everybody to have a woeful | :46:06. | :46:09. | |
Ken Livingstone, before he became an expert on Hitler, used to say, if | :46:10. | :46:13. | |
voting mattered, they would abolish it. They had a what? If voting | :46:14. | :46:21. | |
mattered, they would abolish it. I always said, if you had compulsory | :46:22. | :46:28. | |
voting and you had a box saying, none of the above, that would | :46:29. | :46:33. | |
probably win. So you agree? No. I am with Chuka. Just about everything | :46:34. | :46:40. | |
that happens is governed by political decisions, from basic | :46:41. | :46:43. | |
things like how often the rubbish is collected, all the way through to | :46:44. | :46:50. | |
laws on Brexit. All of these things are actually the product of | :46:51. | :46:55. | |
political decisions and politically understanding or misunderstanding, | :46:56. | :46:58. | |
and Chuka is right, we don't often explain that. We don't often say, | :46:59. | :47:03. | |
all of these things changed across somebody took that on board I'm | :47:04. | :47:06. | |
going to give you the final word. All I'm going to say is this not my | :47:07. | :47:13. | |
thing is this. The problem with our country, too many people who have | :47:14. | :47:20. | |
not come from the poor way of life, let's just talk about real life... | :47:21. | :47:24. | |
We don't have much time. Real life is this. Working over 16 hours, tax | :47:25. | :47:31. | |
is being taken out and it's hard enough for a normal person to afford | :47:32. | :47:37. | |
to live in London so you are working 16 hours and you can't afford, and | :47:38. | :47:41. | |
you're still on benefits, but you have a posh person telling you about | :47:42. | :47:45. | |
more benefit cuts and cutting money from disabled kids. We are running | :47:46. | :47:54. | |
over. Real stuff. What good to see you got keep it real. That is your | :47:55. | :47:58. | |
lot for tonight, but not for us. We're giving Loulou's the swerve | :47:59. | :48:02. | |
tonight, because we're off to the Bristol mansion | :48:03. | :48:04. | |
of Ukip's Arron Banks, where he's laid out his maps | :48:05. | :48:06. | |
of the south-east of England, and together we will pour over them | :48:07. | :48:09. | |
to help him identify exactly He probably needs to crack | :48:10. | :48:12. | |
that conundrum before And we will help because, for us, | :48:13. | :48:15. | |
public service is a 24/7 duty. Nighty night, don't | :48:16. | :48:21. | |
let the voters bite. I know nothing about Clapton at all. | :48:22. | :48:35. | |
I've got a reputation for saying it as it is. My plan is to get Clacton, | :48:36. | :48:43. | |
to see what the issues are and then I'll campaign. I'm certainly going | :48:44. | :48:48. | |
to buy a house there if I'm elected. I think, from the point of view of | :48:49. | :48:54. | |
being the MP for Clacton, I think I would be very effective. When I say | :48:55. | :48:59. | |
I'm going to do something, I do it. And I will be aiming to win. I | :49:00. | :49:07. | |
understand -- I'm going to stand, come hell or high water. | :49:08. | :49:09. |