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Tonight on This Week,

we attempt to answer

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all the big questions.

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Like, where has all

the chicken gone?

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No!

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Deep fat fryer Jane Moore

rounds up a finger-licking

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good political week.

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This chicken looks so yummy.

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And unlike KFC, these guys

have actually got some.

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Sorry, mate.

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George "Pluck Pluck" Galloway

ruffles a few feathers and looks

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forward to a Jezza foreign policy.

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Labour shouldn't clip

their diplomatic wings by chickening

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out on a hard Brexit.

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And cocky comedian Geoff Norcott

thinks we've all gone

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mother clucking crazy.

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Michael and Liz, you boneless dips.

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Get your family

buckets to the ready.

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This Week's come home to roost.

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Evenin' all.

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Welcome to This Week.

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And at a time when there has been

much in the public prints about dear

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Jezza's innocent dealings

with a Czech spy masquerading

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as a diplomat - who knew that's

what these fiendish commies got up

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to during the Cold War -

I think it only fair to fess up

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and admit that I too was one

of their useless idiots.

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Mr Corbyn was given

the code name Agent Cob.

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My secret moniker was Agent Nob.

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Dunno why!

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But there you are.

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They said it suited me.

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As they plied me with unlimited

Blue Nun I freely revealed

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the scheduled departure of the 9.45

from Chipping Sudbury to Paddington.

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9.45, as it happens.

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"When is the ten O'Clock

News", they demanded.

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"Ten O'Clock", I blurted out.

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"Does anyone watch This Week",

they wanted to know.

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I burst out laughing.

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"No, we thought not",

said my handlers.

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Thus did I pass on some of our most

vital secrets to our sworn enemies.

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And, unlike the saintly

Jezza, who was not paid

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to tell them anything

because even if he was minded to,

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which he wasn't, he knew nothing

worth paying for anyway,

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I was of a more materialistic bent.

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Yes, I betrayed our nation

for a year's supply of Blue Nun

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vodka and a huge tin of caviar

for Molly the Dog.

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She likes her Russian

treats, you know.

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And when you do late night TV

on the BBC you need to find some way

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to supplement your pittance

of an income.

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Speaking of those you'd

pay just to shut up,

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I'm joined on the sofa by two folks

so out of the loop that even

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Communist diplomats with huge

expense accounts couldn't be

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bothered to give them

them the time of day,

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even over a cup of tea

in a greasy spoon.

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I speak of course Liz

#fourpercent Kendall

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and Michael #choochoo Portillo.

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Welcome, both. Your moment of the

week, Michael.

The relevant select

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committee, according its

Conservatives, rejected the

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government's nomination for the new

chairman of the Charity Commission.

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I think Charity is a pretty serious

subject nowadays. We can see a

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couple disintegrating before our

eyes. There is also another issue

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that some charities have

unacceptable agendas at the

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masquerade as charities and need to

be unmasked. In other words, this is

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a serious business. The baroness has

been rejected not least because she

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has no experience of regulation or

charities. It illustrates that the

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government has no idea where its

interests lie and cannot understand

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its own priorities.

Do we know if

the government is going ahead with

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the appointment?

The government has

said that, but time will tell.

Never

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have charities been more in the

spotlight, and never has it been

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more important to get the proper

regulator in the charities

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commission. Liz, your moment.

The

failure of the UN Security Council

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tonight to agree a ceasefire in

Syria, despite the latest

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unimaginable horror in Eastern

Ghouta. Russia is clearly, again,

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blocking the resolution, despite

some serious amendments. And it was

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very interesting tonight that the

French ambassador said if a

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resolution is not agreed it will be

a devastating blow to confidence in

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the Security Council, and possibly

even the death knell of the UN. A

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serious and severe warning, and we

have to make sure that isn't right.

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That is very big news. Very well.

Two very good moments. One domestic,

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one foreign. That is how balanced we

are.

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Now, it's rarer than a KFC chicken

these days but yesterday the leader

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of the Opposition used PMQs to quiz

Theresa May about about Brexit.

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You always get the impression our

Jezza doesn't really give

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a monkey's about it.

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He's more a Stop the War,

unless Russia, Syria

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or Hezbollah started

it, kinda guy.

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And though Tory dither,

drift and indecision about Brexit

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should be fertile ground for any

Opposition to exploit, well,

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he might not be entirely simpatico

with the pro-EU mainstream

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of his own party.

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So best give it a miss.

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Which raises an

interesting question.

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What would foreign policy be under

a Corbyn government?

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Despite all the daily party

political argy-bargy,

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there's been a pretty consistent

Labour-Tory

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bipartisanship since WW2.

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Pro-Nato, pro-America,

pro-Commonwealth, pro-free trade,

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pro-globalisation and,

until recently, pro-EU,

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though that road's often been more

rocky for both sides.

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I think we can be sure a Corbyn

government would break that

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foreign policy consensus.

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Here's George Galloway

with his take of the week.

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People accuse Jeremy Corbyn

of playing games over Brexit,

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but with a party deeply divided over

the issue, he keeps his cards close

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to his chest, for good reason.

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Nobody can achieve a Brexit

which pleases everyone,

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so why not keep a poker face whilst

Theresa May continues to play

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a terrible hand over in Brussels?

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Reports this morning that Corbyn

intends to use a speech on Monday

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to show more of his hand

on Brexit worries me.

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Providing Corbyn and the Labour

Party can continue prevaricating,

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they can emerge unscathed

from the Brexit battle ground.

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By contrast, whatever Mrs May

achieves will create interminable

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conflict within the Conservative

party, and could be checkmate

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for her pathetic premiership.

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Never interrupt your enemy,

Jeremy, whilst they are

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busy making a mistake.

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Speculation that the speech

is going to herald a softer line

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on Brexit worries me further.

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Corbyn has an unlikely

ally in Jacob Rees Mogg.

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If the European research group's

proposals are accepted

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by the Government, we could make

a clean break from the

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European Union, which is, I believe,

what Jeremy Corbyn really wants,

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or ought to.

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A hard Brexit means a realignment

of the stars, a once-in-a-lifetime

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opportunity for Corbyn

to revolutionise Britain's relations

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with the rest of the world.

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Unshackled from the little

leagues on the Continent,

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Corbyn could monopolise

on his new-found freedom,

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realising his lifelong ambition

of engagement with his allies

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in Latin America and Africa,

through the mechanism of the Brics,

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fast-growing newly industrialised

countries like China,

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India and South Africa.

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As part of a geopolitical alignment

suited to his worldview,

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Mr Corbyn could create

a new socialist pax Britannica.

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Instead of isolating

so-called rogue states,

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Corbyn could engage with them.

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Only through dialogue can

we hope to influence

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the behaviour of others.

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Mr Corbyn could pivot Britain

towards trading opportunities

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with parts of the world's economy

that are on the up.

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Mr Corbyn could also score points

with the Labour grassroots

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by eliminating two unpopular,

indeed reprehensible, partnerships.

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One, with the murderous Saudi

regime, the other as poodle

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to Donald Trump's alt-right

United States.

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What's more, with the Trump

presidency on thin ice,

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and Bernie Sanders in the ascendant,

Jeremy Corbyn is the only British

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politician who could make that

special relationship

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even more special.

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He could transform it from one that

simply enables colonial excess

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into a true transatlantic

partnership of people,

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not just corporations.

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Hard Brexit means everyone

is a winner, Jeremy,

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so don't go soft on me now.

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And fresh from his success,

George Galloway joins us now.

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Well come back to the programme.

Thank you.

If Mr Corbyn took a hard

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Brexit line, could he carry his

party?

No. People like Liz and many

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others, more than 4%, maybe 74%,

would be hostile to that. That's why

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I think he has been carefully

playing this, and he ought to

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continue that, because that doesn't

then burst open the Labour Party's

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divisions. And as I said, quoting

Napoleon, never interrupt your enemy

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while he is busy making a mistake.

John McDonnell, Shadow Chancellor,

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says Labour policy on Brexit is

evolving. Do you think it is

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evolving more in your direction?

Yes, I do. And I think you will see

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more next week, particularly around

the customs union, and I hope it

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goes further still, around the

single market. I think the reason

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why is that the leadership is

listening not just to party members,

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Labour voters and the trade unions,

but understanding that I'm afraid a

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hard Brexit would simply finish the

job that Thatcher began on our

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manufacturing industries in the

Midlands and the North, and

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undermine workers' rights and

environmental standards, all of

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which are very important for the

future of our economy. And the very

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strong argument that you cannot be

an anti-austerity party if you are

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out of the single market and the

customs union and our economy takes

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a hit.

If we go into the next

election and the dichotomy is that

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we are the Tories that withdrew from

the European Union and they are

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Labour that tried to betray it, that

is a disaster for Labour. 70% of

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Labour held constituencies voted to

leave in the referendum. And if

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Labour can be fixed as the stab in

the back party, the party that

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betrayed the decision the British

people made in the wraparound, that

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would be an electoral catastrophe.

There will be parts of London where

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it would be of benefit, but in the

north, in the post-industrial

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wastelands of the Thatcher era, it

would be a complete catastrophe.

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George is right that Labour should

not interrupt their enemies while

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they are making mistakes. A couple

of weeks ago I said I thought Corbyn

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would not want to be Prime Minister

at this moment and I was howled

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down, not least by you, but I think

George is saying the same thing, let

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the Tories get on and get to Brexit

of whatever form and then the Labour

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Party is not responsible for what

has happened. I don't believe there

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will be a hard Brexit because I

think the European Union and

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Britain, neither will want to impose

tariffs upon the other. But I

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certainly think that Labour's best

interests, Corbyn's in particular,

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are to allow the Tories to get on

with this for the next two years, to

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be hopelessly divided about it, and

to pick up the settled consequences,

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the outcome.

What about George's

wider vision of a Corbyn foreign

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policy, what it could be like? What

he outlined, by and large, it has

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the benefit of being what Mr Corbyn

believes. It may be right or wrong

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but it is what he believes, isn't

it?

I don't think that we should be

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an anti-West, anti-American,

anti-Europe, isolationist party.

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That is your leader's position.

I

don't be -- believe you can build

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social democracy, let alone

socialism, in one country if you

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don't understand that our economy is

global, climate change, terrorism,

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migration, can only be dealt with if

you play a strong role in the

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international, rules -based

institutions we set up.

George was

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arguing just for a different role.

And a very special relationship with

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the United States, and the

great-grandson of the only woman in

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the 19th century later emigrated

from the United States to Dundee.

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You have seen Dundee. There is

nothing anti-American about me. I

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want Corbyn and samplers to make a

really special relationship, one

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involving people and not just

corporations. -- Bernie Sanders. Of

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course, corporations do have their

role.

You need to get him into the

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White House!

The current polls are

showing him... If he is still alive,

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of course. But that is true of all

of us.

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I thought this part of George's film

should be shown as a Conservative

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party political broadcast, unveiling

for the Corbyn foreign policy would

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be, with one foot note, if I may,

George. You mentioned Brics, and the

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capital R stands for Russia. But you

did not want to mention that the

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Russian military are killing off

large numbers of civilians in Syria

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at the moment. The regimes you would

like to put your arm around, China

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you mentioned, with massive numbers

of death penalties every year, the

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highest number of death penalties.

Even more than the United States.

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Mao

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Mao Tse at...

For your information,

Britain is trying very hard to trade

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with China, and outside of the EU,

will be in a better position to do

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it.

But you socialists have more in

common with the Chinese than with

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Russia.

One has to trade with all

kinds of countries, with the

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exception of Saudi Arabia, I would

be in favour of trading with them,

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and to trade with them, you have to

have good relations. All the

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countries, 25 countries we have

sanctions against at the moment, 18

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of which we have invaded in the

past.

Since you left Russia out of

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your little them, would you like to

say what you feel about

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say what you feel about Russia's

role in Syria?

It is cold outside,

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and if it is warm indoors it is

because of Russian gas. Russia is an

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important trading partner and can be

still more important.

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still more important.

So murderous

regimes should be let off? If they

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have gas?

Murderous regimes with

oil, you always little.

I think

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getting Bernie Sanders in the White

House is a bit of a stretch, and it

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would mean turning our back on our

allies, embracing Russia and Iran -

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could you really sell that to the

country?

I'm asking the country to

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embrace the world, to leave the EU's

fading, failing economies, with all

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the stresses and strains in the EU,

it's falling apart in front of our

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eyes, and embrace instead a world

where economies are rising.

The

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trouble is, George, you sound no

different from Jacob Rees Mogg.

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Labour Party members and voters just

won't buy that. If what we end up

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having is exactly the same policy

that Jason breach -- Jacob Rees Mogg

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has suggested. It's not right for

the country and it is not what party

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members or

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members or members want. -- what

Labour Party members want.

This is

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not isolationism. It is leaving the

European Union and joining the

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world. If Jacob Rees Mogg says the

same thing, well, even a stopped

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clock is right twice a day, and he

is right on that if that is what

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he's saying.

A final question: If Mr

Corbyn was to become prime minister,

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how likely do you think is he to go

in the direction of foreign policy

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that you have outlined? Does he have

the inclination to be that bold, or

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is he likely to be much more

gradual?

He's not as bold as one

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would have thought he would be. He

is under a lot of pressure inside

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the parliamentary Labour Party. He

doesn't have two dozen people among

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his MPs to actual... Actually agree

with them. Even now, the Blairites

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are there in huge numbers in the

PLP. He is cautious and serene, Zen

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like, you might say. I don't think

if he became prime minister he would

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be knocking over the apple carts,

kicking over the money changers'

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tables and so one, but he would be a

steady, slow, but steady progress in

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the direction that I have been

describing.

George Galloway, thank

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you.

A pleasure.

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It's late, Saint Michael

of Assisi late.

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Yes, the blessed Govey,

patron saint of small furry things

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at the Department of Environment,

thinks it's "unkind" to keep

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dumb animals cooped-up

indoors all the time.

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He wants them to be able

to frolic more outside.

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But politicians shouldn't

get too excited.

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Even the Govester's compassion

for dumb animals has its limits.

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So no gambolling on College

Green for Tory MPs.

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They'll remain locked

in their Westminster

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crates for the time being.

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At least until the Maybot can

concoct a Brexit policy around

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which they can rally.

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So they could be in

captivity for some time.

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Someone who's never followed

the herd is Geoff Norcott.

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Indeed he's a phenomenon that's

rarer on BBC Radio 4

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than Hezbollah at a Barmitzvah.

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A comedian who isn't just funny -

that's rare enough

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on radio these days -

but is also right of centre,

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which is not just

rare but unheard of.

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Bonkers, I know.

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So, rather appropriately,

he'll be asking if politics

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has gone "bonkers".

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And if you feel compelled to bleat,

moo or cluck a few mindless

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comments onto the Tweeter,

the Fleecebook, or the Snapnumpty,

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well, feel free, be my guest, pull

up a bollard, sit down and tap away.

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But be aware that, unlike

the Maybot, I do finish my box sets.

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So I'll never get round to

seeing your drivelling.

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It's been a week of spy

plots and sci-fi movies.

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Of James Bond and Mad Max.

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Of Cold War pasts

and dystopian futures.

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Yes, all of that, and the great

finger-lickin', fried

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chicken furore of 2018.

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So, from deep in the deep-fat

fryer, here's Jane Moore

0:20:490:20:51

with her roundup of the week.

0:20:510:20:59

Here at This Week, we know that

Andrew simply won't get into that

0:21:000:21:03

presenter's chair without first

fuelling up with a bargain bucket

0:21:030:21:06

and a couple of gallons of Blue Nun.

0:21:060:21:08

So, when I heard there was a chicken

shortage at KFC, I thought I'd

0:21:080:21:12

better take matters

into my own hands.

0:21:120:21:16

Let's get to work.

0:21:160:21:24

# Everybody's heard

about the bird...#.

0:21:240:21:32

Hello?

0:21:330:21:36

Yes, an order for the

European research group?

0:21:360:21:39

Yes, OK, hang on a minute.

0:21:390:21:42

Right, so...

0:21:420:21:45

62 servings of wings, yeah.

0:21:450:21:49

Regulatory autonomy

for the UK post Brexit, OK.

0:21:490:21:55

UK free to start trade negotiations

during the transition period.

0:21:550:21:58

OK, yeah, yeah.

0:21:580:22:03

Thanks a lot, give me 20 minutes.

0:22:030:22:05

Bye.

0:22:050:22:08

A letter from Jacob Rees

Mogg's agitators gave

0:22:080:22:11

Theresa May something

rather tough to chew on.

0:22:110:22:14

Many feathers have been ruffled

as the squawking over Brexit

0:22:140:22:21

continues, but David Davis confused

to acknowledge the concerns of

0:22:210:22:23

Remainers over the potential

impact of leaving the EU.

0:22:230:22:31

They fear that Brexit

could lead to an

0:22:320:22:35

Anglo-Saxon race to the bottom,

with Britain plunged into a Mad

0:22:350:22:38

Max-style world borrowed

from dystopian fiction.

0:22:380:22:42

These fears about a race

to the bottom are based on nothing.

0:22:420:22:50

Whilst Damian Green stuck his beak

in to call on the Government to

0:22:510:22:54

publish any Brexit

impact assessments.

0:22:540:22:57

If analysis is being produced,

then publish it, and

0:22:570:22:59

frankly, there will be a big

political debate about it, and let's

0:22:590:23:02

have the argument in public.

0:23:020:23:04

That's what democracies do.

0:23:040:23:09

Brexiteer foxes aside,

Theresa May toured TV studios

0:23:090:23:11

to defend her premiership, and to

point out that when it comes to

0:23:110:23:14

running the country, she's still got

some eggs in her basket.

0:23:140:23:20

I'm doing a job, and I'm

going to jolly well get

0:23:200:23:23

on and do it.

0:23:230:23:25

And what drives me in doing

it is actually not what's

0:23:250:23:28

written but what people out

there want the Government to do.

0:23:280:23:32

But the crowing didn't

last long, feathers

0:23:320:23:36

flying yet again over

university tuition fees.

0:23:360:23:40

Amidst a lot of clucking

from certain quarters, the

0:23:400:23:43

PM ruled out scrapping

them completely.

0:23:430:23:46

Basically, you've got out

there people who will benefit

0:23:460:23:48

from going to university

and those who don't.

0:23:480:23:52

And I think it's right that those

who benefit should make a

0:23:520:23:55

contribution.

0:23:550:23:56

The crisis is involving

Oxfam and Save The

0:23:560:23:59

Children deepened yesterday as yet

more allegations emerged of sexually

0:23:590:24:02

inappropriate behaviour

by charity workers and bosses.

0:24:020:24:03

Former chief executive

of Save The Children Justin Forsyth

0:24:030:24:07

is the latest to face accusations

on his conduct.

0:24:070:24:12

MPs heard evidence on Tuesday.

0:24:120:24:16

I repeat Oxfam's broader apology,

and my personal apology.

0:24:160:24:21

I am sorry, we are sorry,

for the damage that

0:24:210:24:24

Oxfam has done, both

to

0:24:240:24:27

the people of Haiti, but also

to a wider efforts for aid and

0:24:270:24:30

development by possibly

undermining public support.

0:24:300:24:35

On the war path this week

was Jeremy Corbyn, who in his

0:24:350:24:40

speech to the EEF, seized

the opportunity to roast the banks.

0:24:400:24:46

We will take decisions and decisive

action to make finance the servant

0:24:460:24:50

of industry, not the masters of all.

0:24:500:24:55

And it wasn't just the financial

institutions he was clucked

0:24:550:24:58

off with.

0:24:580:25:01

Responding to accusations

that he met with spies during the

0:25:010:25:04

Cold War, he accused

the media of foul play.

0:25:040:25:07

Number Ten...

0:25:070:25:11

Publishing these ridiculous

smears which have

0:25:110:25:15

been refuted by Czech officials

shows just how worried the media

0:25:150:25:17

bosses are by the prospect

of a Labour Government.

0:25:170:25:20

They are right to be.

0:25:200:25:23

Hmm...

0:25:230:25:24

The electorate will be

the judge of that.

0:25:240:25:26

Oh, it's you!

0:25:260:25:28

Thanks!

0:25:280:25:32

Stories where Jeremy Corbyn isn't

accused of fraternising with a

0:25:320:25:36

dodgy regime seem scarcer

than hen's teeth these

0:25:360:25:39

days, but the Leader

of

0:25:390:25:42

the Opposition did a valiant attempt

to avert attention from himself at

0:25:420:25:45

PMQs by focusing on Brexit instead.

0:25:450:25:47

The Foreign Secretary recently made

a speech about Brexit, and he found

0:25:470:25:50

time to mention carrots,

spam, V signs, stag

0:25:500:25:51

parties and a plague

of

0:25:510:25:57

boils.

0:25:570:25:59

Not one mention of Northern

Ireland in his speech.

0:25:590:26:05

But in her response,

the Prime Minister

0:26:050:26:10

couldn't resist the urge

to peck at the open wound.

0:26:100:26:12

Can I congratulate the Right

Honourable gentleman,

0:26:120:26:14

because normally he stands up every

week and asks me to sign a

0:26:140:26:22

blank cheque, and I know he likes

Czechs, but really...

0:26:220:26:24

In an astonishing display

of Chicken Little syndrome,

0:26:240:26:26

Tory MPs read press reports

and piled into double-O Corbyn to

0:26:260:26:29

accuse him of, in the words of

Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson,

0:26:290:26:32

being a traitor.

0:26:320:26:33

Can I have some sauce, please?

0:26:330:26:41

MP Ben Bradley's neck was wrung

by Corbyn after he posted

0:26:440:26:47

a tweet accusing the Leader

of the Opposition of selling British

0:26:470:26:49

secrets to Communist spies.

0:26:490:26:55

Thank you.

0:26:550:26:59

Right, I better get

Andrew's order together.

0:26:590:27:03

We've run out of chicken.

0:27:030:27:11

Jane assures me that the chicken

from Other Side Fried

0:27:120:27:14

at Peckham Levels, that I didn't get

to taste, was delicious.

0:27:140:27:22

- G8 it all. Michael, this whole

Corbyn is a spiced up, had it

0:27:240:27:28

rebound badly on the Tories and the

Tory press in the end?

I don't think

0:27:280:27:33

so. I think it would be quite

difficult to elect as our Prime

0:27:330:27:41

Minister someone who was consorting

with the IRA, with Palestinian

0:27:410:27:46

terrorists...

It didn't play last

time ran?

No effort was made last

0:27:460:27:50

time because the Government thought

it would win effortlessly so no real

0:27:500:27:54

effort was invested.

Not a

prime-time interviews, including one

0:27:540:27:58

I did where Mr Corbyn was asked

rigorously about his past

0:27:580:28:02

associations with the IRA, and it

didn't seem to have traction, even

0:28:020:28:05

in the middle of an election with a

terrorist campaign which was

0:28:050:28:10

unprecedented.

River, no one thought

Labour would win the election, which

0:28:100:28:14

of course they borrow right to

assume, -- remember, no one

0:28:140:28:21

thought...

Haven't the Tories

overplayed their hand? We know he

0:28:210:28:25

has never been a fan of Western

foreign policy. He has been accused

0:28:250:28:33

of being too cosy with the enemies

of the West, but that is nothing to

0:28:330:28:37

do with the trade in the country

being a traitor.

No, but I'm afraid

0:28:370:28:42

it's absolutely enough to lose a

general election.

The defence

0:28:420:28:46

minister said he has betrayed the

country.

The idea that he had any

0:28:460:28:55

state secrets was ridiculous, and

that he would be motivated by money

0:28:550:28:58

to sell them is even more

ridiculous.

That is what I mean by

0:28:580:29:02

ever playing their hand.

Why do you

think these agents were interested

0:29:020:29:07

in talking to Jeremy Corbyn?

Because

they had to justify their salary to

0:29:070:29:13

their Czech masters.

They thought it

was important to infiltrate the

0:29:130:29:16

Labour Party, which was the

opposition party and might one day

0:29:160:29:19

become the Government party.

0:29:190:29:24

Except we have no evidence of any of

that.

Michael is right to say our

0:29:240:29:33

foreign policy and security policy

will come under scrutiny at the

0:29:330:29:37

general election. But by going on

this ridiculous claim, I think

0:29:370:29:41

Corbyn is right it was a smear on

him and it has backfired.

If he were

0:29:410:29:48

right, he would offer himself for TV

interviews, allowing himself to be

0:29:480:29:52

grilled about this file.

They said

they did not have a file, Michael.

0:29:520:29:58

He appears and says, I am

threatening the Tory press, if I

0:29:580:30:02

become Prime Minister I will gag it

in some way. That does not endear

0:30:020:30:07

him.

If Mr Corbyn is watching and he

is up for an interview, you know

0:30:070:30:12

where we are. It is 20 months since

the referendum, almost a year since

0:30:120:30:17

Article 50 was triggered, and

Cabinet ministers spent almost all

0:30:170:30:21

day today still trying to decide on

some of the most basic negotiating

0:30:210:30:26

positions of this country. Isn't

that remarkable?

It is, but the

0:30:260:30:32

clock is running not only for us but

also for the European Union.

But

0:30:320:30:36

they have decided their negotiating

position.

They may have, but they

0:30:360:30:41

have not decided the outcome. I

absolutely do not believe there will

0:30:410:30:47

be a hard Brexit. I do not believe

that the end of this will be the

0:30:470:30:51

imposition of tariffs by the

European Union on Britain and by

0:30:510:30:54

Britain on the European Union. So

something else is going to happen.

0:30:540:30:59

That may be true, but by any of that

happen, the Europeans need to know

0:30:590:31:03

our negotiating position. Mrs May

seems to be vacillating on this. We

0:31:030:31:11

still don't know. The word is that

the meeting broke up in Chequers

0:31:110:31:15

tonight the couple of hours ago. The

big divide seems to be between those

0:31:150:31:21

who want to diverged, if and when we

leave, from European regulations,

0:31:210:31:26

and those who think to get access to

all the markets we have two stay

0:31:260:31:32

roughly aligned, as close as we can.

I am told the divergences got the

0:31:320:31:37

better of the argument but there was

given steak on both sides. Is that

0:31:370:31:42

good or bad?

Bad. I would like us to

stay as close as possible. Whether

0:31:420:31:49

she got agreement amongst her

Cabinet, the real battle will be on

0:31:490:31:52

her backbenchers. We heard this week

that the customs and trade bill is

0:31:520:31:57

now not going to come to Parliament

until after the May elections. There

0:31:570:32:02

has been an amendment put down by

Anna Soubry and Kenneth Clarke

0:32:020:32:05

calling for us to remain in the

customs union, and I think Labour

0:32:050:32:09

will back that. She has got the

people who voted Remain, Anna

0:32:090:32:14

Soubry, Nicky Morgan, and then she

has Jacob Rees-Mogg and that group

0:32:140:32:19

who want us to stop any kind of

negotiation by March the 20th -- by

0:32:190:32:26

March 2019. So we would fall out on

WTO rules. She has to make a choice.

0:32:260:32:33

Maybe the reason there will not be a

hard Brexit is because there will

0:32:330:32:36

not be a majority in parliament for

it.

Absolutely right. There isn't.

I

0:32:360:32:44

think that is coincidentally true

but it is not the reason there will

0:32:440:32:47

not be a hard Brexit. It is

unimaginable that the European Union

0:32:470:32:52

and Britain will direct tariffs when

around the rest of the world we are

0:32:520:32:55

moving in a different direction,

with the exception of the United

0:32:550:32:58

States. We are globalising and we

would find ourselves entirely out of

0:32:580:33:03

step with the global trend.

On

tuition fees, the Prime Minister

0:33:030:33:08

came in this week. What is the sense

in entering a bidding war with

0:33:080:33:16

politics on this, a subject she

knows she cannot win?

She can't win,

0:33:160:33:21

but the reason this has gone badly

wrong is that this is the most

0:33:210:33:28

non-Conservative policy ever

invented. When you are selling a

0:33:280:33:31

rusty bicycle or a Rolls-Royce, they

cost the same amount of money. A

0:33:310:33:35

lousy degree in a lousy university

and a top degree in a top university

0:33:350:33:40

have all been priced the same. So

the student has no power. How can a

0:33:400:33:47

Conservative Party have invented

such a daft, crazy communist system?

0:33:470:33:54

I thought Labour invented it?

We

pushed it up to 9000.

0:33:540:33:59

Winston Churchill once said,

"A politician needs the ability

0:33:590:34:01

to foretell what is going to happen,

and the ability afterwards

0:34:010:34:04

to explain why it didn't happen".

0:34:040:34:05

Even by recent standards,

it's been quite a week.

0:34:050:34:08

David Davis invoking the spirit

of the Thunderdome to assure us

0:34:080:34:10

Brexit won't be as bad as Mad Max.

0:34:100:34:12

So that's all right then.

0:34:120:34:13

An earthquake in Swansea.

0:34:130:34:14

Not a sentence you thought

you'd ever hear.

0:34:140:34:16

And, rather than taking guns off

killers, in the wake of yet

0:34:160:34:19

another school shooting,

the President of the United States

0:34:190:34:21

has said that arming teachers

could be the answer.

0:34:210:34:24

Just as well that wasn't the policy

when Mrs MacGregor was teaching us

0:34:240:34:27

maths in the lower fourth.

0:34:270:34:29

She was already a dab

hand at whacking your

0:34:290:34:31

knuckles with a ruler.

0:34:310:34:33

Who knows what she might have

done with a Colt 45?

0:34:330:34:36

So has the world gone bonkers?

0:34:360:34:37

Almost certainly.

0:34:370:34:38

That's why we're putting

bonkers in the spotlight.

0:34:380:34:45

# Bonkers...#

0:34:480:34:56

Is it just me,

or has the world gone crazy?

0:34:560:35:00

No!

0:35:000:35:04

KFC plunged fast food lovers

into despair after its chicken

0:35:040:35:07

shortage led to consumer chaos.

0:35:070:35:10

I've had to go to Burger King.

0:35:100:35:12

It's what?

0:35:120:35:13

Ridiculous.

0:35:130:35:14

Surely there's enough chicken.

0:35:140:35:17

But was it just a little bit

bonkers to see the Queen

0:35:170:35:20

at London Fashion Week?

0:35:200:35:23

Her Maj noted the conditions

were rather hard underfoot.

0:35:230:35:25

Although the course seemed

quite straightforward.

0:35:250:35:31

And just how crazy do you have to be

to give birth to your child on air.

0:35:310:35:35

Hi, buddy.

0:35:350:35:38

As US radio presenter

Cassidy Proctor did this week.

0:35:380:35:42

She even got the audience

to name her newborn.

0:35:420:35:46

Meanwhile, Theresa May says her life

is so bonkers she can't even find

0:35:460:35:49

the time to finish a box set.

0:35:490:35:52

I never get to the end of a box set.

0:35:520:35:55

For Ukip at least, another leader

down, the shambles is nothing new.

0:35:550:36:00

I'm constantly being told

by political experts that Ukip

0:36:000:36:02

is finished and that nobody

really cares any more,

0:36:020:36:05

nobody knows what its purpose is.

0:36:050:36:09

And what of serious politics?

0:36:090:36:11

Is it bonkers that we have to look

to grime musician Stormzy to hold

0:36:110:36:14

the Prime Minister to account?

0:36:140:36:16

The artist took a swipe

at Theresa May at the Brits last

0:36:160:36:19

night over her handling

of the Grenfell Tower tragedy.

0:36:190:36:22

Yo, Theresa May, where's

the money for Grenfell?

0:36:220:36:23

What, you thought we just

forgot about Grenfell?

0:36:230:36:26

You criminals.

0:36:260:36:27

And you got the cheek

to call us savages...

0:36:270:36:29

Comedian Geoff Norcott thinks times

like these call for a cool head.

0:36:290:36:34

But can anyone make

sense of this madness?

0:36:340:36:42

And Geoff Norcott is with us now.

0:36:440:36:50

Welcome to the programme. KFC runs

out of chicken, Trump wants to armed

0:36:510:36:55

teachers. We are going bonkers.

It

jumped the shark this week. And that

0:36:550:37:01

clip with Stormzy. There was a

headline that said Theresa May hits

0:37:010:37:06

back at Stormzy. For one second I

thought she had done it in the form

0:37:060:37:09

of rap. I could imagine her with

Michael Gove doing beatbox. It is a

0:37:090:37:15

symptom of the times we are living

in.

What a terrifying image!

Isn't

0:37:150:37:21

it slightly bonkers that she

responded to Stormzy?

All this week

0:37:210:37:26

things like that have been

happening, with Corbyn warning the

0:37:260:37:30

press he is not a rabid

revolutionary, he threatened to

0:37:300:37:33

control the free press. A great way

of coming back against your critics.

0:37:330:37:37

There were lots of things Corbyn

said in that video which were fair

0:37:370:37:41

but what was odd was the intensity

in his eyes. For a pacifist, he

0:37:410:37:46

looked like he wanted to punch

someone, ready to come out swinging.

0:37:460:37:52

Henry Bolton, the former Ukip, there

has to be a point, when you are

0:37:520:37:55

sitting on the sofa on TV and the

woman half your age is a racist, you

0:37:550:38:01

have to think I have not made prior

decisions. I was in the running to

0:38:010:38:05

be leader of the party and here I

am!

What is it that is making us

0:38:050:38:11

bonkers?

Elections, pressure. Buying

back from 2014, 15, these have been

0:38:110:38:18

unexpected results which puts the

pressure on politicians. There is no

0:38:180:38:22

comfort zone any more. Social media,

we could all be a hashtag by the

0:38:220:38:27

time we get back to the green room.

Or worse.

Or dressed as a chicken.

0:38:270:38:33

And pressure will dismiss stakes.

When people are under pressure, they

0:38:330:38:38

shoot from the hip.

Don't you think

it is just more exposed? We did not

0:38:380:38:45

know what was going on with

politicians 24-7 years ago.

You are

0:38:450:38:51

right about the elections but you

are really saying lack of

0:38:510:38:54

leadership. People are trying to

react to what others have ready

0:38:540:38:59

decided. You have seen that with

Trump, the response to the gum

0:38:590:39:03

thing, dependent on the gun lobby.

He does not have a view of his own.

0:39:030:39:08

It is not just the elections, but

the results. With Trump winning in

0:39:080:39:14

America, Mrs May failing to get a

decent majority, Macron coming from

0:39:140:39:18

nowhere to win in France, Mrs Merkel

struggling to put together a

0:39:180:39:21

coalition. All of the results have

really been a kick in the teeth.

0:39:210:39:29

Nobody can get their feet under the

table. When you think back to the

0:39:290:39:32

Blair eight years, how long has it

been since people could win an

0:39:320:39:35

election and be an MP for five years

and get on with the job? You have

0:39:350:39:40

five minutes before you are getting

hounded on Twitter constantly. There

0:39:400:39:45

is a general tribalism which is

distorting. I had a clip about

0:39:450:39:49

Corbyn go viral this week. On my

Facebook page, I had people

0:39:490:39:54

reviewing me off the back of it. 25

of the reviews were 5-star, and ten

0:39:540:40:00

of them were ones star, and nothing

in the middle. I have always thought

0:40:000:40:04

I was a solid 3.7. It is almost a

symptom of the age, that the

0:40:040:40:10

dialogue and political discourse is

dominated by the fringe ends.

Being

0:40:100:40:18

calm, reasonable, building

consensus, bringing people together

0:40:180:40:20

just doesn't cut it any more. It is

not fashionable in politics.

The

0:40:200:40:28

mainstream is discombobulated now.

It is. But as I say, there are not

0:40:280:40:34

people who know their own mind and

are prepared to tell us what they

0:40:340:40:37

think and where they want to take

us. They are just bobbing around on

0:40:370:40:43

a sea of public opinion which is

constantly changing and moving.

I

0:40:430:40:47

would suggest we will stay bonkers

for quite some time.

I would hope

0:40:470:40:52

so. For comedy, it is brilliant.

What are you up to?

I am on tour,

0:40:520:40:59

going round the country at the

moment. We have just extended into

0:40:590:41:03

the autumn. Although I voted

Conservative and I voted Leave, I

0:41:030:41:09

was in Leicester on Monday and there

were loads of Labour voters who came

0:41:090:41:14

and sat at the front.

The Leicester

comedy Festival.

Yes. All of the

0:41:140:41:23

Leavers sat at the back, for a sharp

exit! It is much better when you get

0:41:230:41:28

diversity in the audience. I am not

in this to create an echo chamber,

0:41:280:41:32

so I am glad. All lefties are

welcome. I don't mind anybody.

Does

0:41:320:41:38

the audience know that you are right

of centre?

I think they want to be

0:41:380:41:45

triggered, in a way. There was a

woman in Leicester who I kept

0:41:450:41:49

calling mad, and she said it was a

jest and class sensitive as well. I

0:41:490:41:55

had not heard class sensitive, so I

said, all right, treacle, I will

0:41:550:41:59

call you something else. But did not

go down well!

0:41:590:42:03

That's your lot for

tonight, but not for us.

0:42:030:42:06

We're off to Loulou's,

where it's Mad Max theme night.

0:42:060:42:08

Giving Michael yet another excuse

to dress up in his tight, studded,

0:42:080:42:11

ripped leather biker gear,

plus David Davis mask.

0:42:110:42:13

Leaving Liz free to mull on life

in a dystopian world of no hope,

0:42:130:42:16

no future, no purpose.

0:42:160:42:19

Come to think of it,

since the Brexit referendum

0:42:190:42:21

and Jezza's takeover of her party,

that's been pretty much what's

0:42:210:42:24

she been living through anyway.

0:42:240:42:27

So tonight will be just another

normal night for her.

0:42:270:42:30

But we leave you tonight

on a more serious note,

0:42:300:42:33

with the words of Andrew Pollock,

whose daughter, Meadow,

0:42:330:42:37

was shot dead in Florida last week

in yet another mass school shooting

0:42:370:42:43

of the sort which seems to have

become quotidian in the US

0:42:430:42:48

and to which American politicians

seem incapable of responding

0:42:480:42:51

with any action, just the ritual

thoughts and prayers for the victims

0:42:510:42:54

and their loved ones.

0:42:540:42:58

This is part of Mr Pollock's speech

at Donald Trump's "listening

0:42:580:43:00

session" last night.

0:43:000:43:04

We, as a country,

failed our children.

0:43:040:43:08

This shouldn't happen.

0:43:080:43:16

I'm very angry that this happened,

because it keeps happening.

0:43:170:43:19

9/11 happened once and

they fixed everything.

0:43:190:43:21

How many schools, how many

children have to get shot?

0:43:210:43:25

Because I want it to sink in,

not forget about this.

0:43:250:43:28

We can't forget about all

the school shootings.

0:43:280:43:32

It doesn't make sense.

0:43:320:43:33

Fix it.

0:43:330:43:34

It should have been one

school shooting and we

0:43:340:43:36

should have fixed it.

0:43:360:43:40

And I'm pissed.

0:43:400:43:42

Because my daughter I'm

not going to see again.

0:43:420:43:45

She's not here.

0:43:450:43:51

Never, ever will I see my kid.

0:43:510:43:53

I want that to sink in.

0:43:530:43:54

It's eternity.

0:43:540:43:55

My beautiful daughter,

I'm never going to see again...

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