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Hello there and welcome to our round

up of the day in Parliament. Coming

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up in the next half hour, after the

failure to reach an interim Brexit

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deal, Labour reckons it's the DUP

tail wagging the Government dog.

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What an embarrassment! The last 24

hours have given a new meaning to

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the phrase coalition of chaos.

A

review of counterterror intelligence

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draws an uncomfortable conclusion

about the magister arena bombing --

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Manchester bombing.

It is

conceivable that the attack might

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have been averted had the cards fall

indifferently.

And the work Pensions

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Secretary says he will release

documents on Universal Credit to a

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Commons committee. But first, it was

not the appearance before MPs that

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the Government had been hoping for.

There'd been some optimism that

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after Monday's talks, Theresa May

will be able to come to the Commons

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and announced progress on Brexit.

But such hopes were torpedoed when

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the DUP leader Arlene Foster made it

clear to Theresa May at the last

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minute that she would not accept a

deal which appeared to online

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Northern Ireland's trading wools

with that of the Irish Republic

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instead of the UK -- trading rules.

The aim had been to avoid bringing

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back customs posts and checks on the

Irish border. And do so, it was the

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Brexit Secretary David Davis who

appeared in the comments to insert

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an urgent question. He faced

laughter and heckles from the Labour

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badges as he explained that talks

were continuing.

We held for the

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talks in Brussels in the past few

days. Progress has been made. We

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have not yet reached a final

conclusion. However, I believe we

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are now close to concluding the

first phase of negotiations and

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moving on to talk about our future

trade relations.

That was and how

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Labour side.

Mr Speaker, what an

embarrassment. The last 24 hours

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have given a new meaning to the

phrase coalition of chaos. Yesterday

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morning, Number ten was briefing

that a deal would be signed. There

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was high expectation that the Prime

Minister would make a triumphant

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statement to the House. By tea-time,

we had 849 second press conference

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saying the deal was off.

The

problem, he argued, could be traced

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back to Theresa May's conference

speech.

That was when she recklessly

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select options like a customs union

and a single market off the table

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and rolled out any... Yet maintain

she could maintain a hard border in

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northern Ireland. Yesterday, the

rubber hit the road. Will the Prime

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Minister now think her reckless red

lights and put options such as a

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customs union and civil market back

on the table? -- single market.

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Because if the price of the Prime

Minister's approach is the Rick

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above the union and reopening of

bitter divides in Northern Ireland,

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the price is too high.

The

suggestion that we might leave part

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of the United Kingdom behind in the

customs union, that is emphatically

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not something UK Government is

considering. When the First Minister

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of Wales complained about or the

First Minister of Scotland test

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something about battering the film

independence, I say they are making

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a foolish mistake. No UK Government,

let alone Conservative and Younes

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one. -- Younes one.

It's no surprise

that are circling around the Prime

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Minister because the Prime Minister

has today been interviewed for the

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job of Scotland football manager for

her fantastic ability to drop the

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feed from the jaws of victory. --

dry defeat. A government that

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refuses to give Parliament any say

in the development in the

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negotiating position has now let

that negotiating this should be

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dictated by a party in the smallest

of these four nations.

The British

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people are fed up to the back teeth

with all of this. They want a

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solution. It may be that regulatory

alignment is the solution, but if

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it's good enough for Northern

Ireland, it is good enough for the

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rest of the country.

The way to

solve the border issue, protect the

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Good Friday Agreement and hold our

United Kingdom together is to stay

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in the customs union and single

market. Isn't it the case that the

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Government only has itself to blame

for choosing to rule this option out

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what it does not have to? Putting

the future of our country at risk.

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No surprise that the Dublin and the

Irish government wishes advance its

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interests. The way that it has gone

about it in such an aggressive and

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anti-union this way is disgraceful.

It has setback relations and damaged

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the relationships within Northern

Ireland in terms of the devolution

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settlement, and that is going to

take a long time to repair. One of

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the good things that came out of

yesterday is from all sides of this

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House, Labour, Conservative

backbenchers to Marie Davidson,

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everybody, there is now an agreement

that United Kingdom since together

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and nothing will happen that will

cause the break up of this great

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United Kingdom.

Does my right

honourable friend sure my sense of

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gratitude to our friends in the

Democratic Unionist Party who love

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helped her majesties Government

secure its own policy in these

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negotiations. And as another centre

that the red lines on maintaining

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the United Kingdom and a great story

divergence when the benefits of

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leaving...

The red demo for me, is

delivering the best Brexit for

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Britain and that's what we will do

-- the redline for me.

David Davis

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called on rival parties to unite and

speak with one voice in a bid to

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keep the UK in the single market.

Speaking in the Scottish Parliament,

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Mike Russell said there was

overwhelming support for this both

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at Holyrood and among the public.

Scotland did not vote to leave the

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EU. The best solution would be to

stay. In the continued move towards

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Brexit, there is overwhelming

support in this Parliament and

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across the country to attain

Scotland and the UK's place in the

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single market and customs union. I

think they're fully decipher all of

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us, but here is Colin and across the

UK, at this crucial time -- here in

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Scotland. Reject a hard Brexit. It

is time for Scotland to speak with

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one voice and I would encourage all

of us who realise that single market

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and customer union membership is

vital to say so and to work to

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achieve it.

Yesterday, the First

Minister hastily took to Twitter to

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demand a separate Brexit deal for

Scotland. Can the Minister explain

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how separate arrangements for

Scotland and England will be

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beneficial to the rest of us given

that trade with Britain is worth

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four times more to Scotland and the

whole of the European Union?

Our

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preference is to stay in the EU. If

that is not what is to happen to him

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and I think the evidence for doing

so is stronger and stronger, the

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whole UK approach staying in the

customs Union is what will be

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required. Call it what you will.

That would be the best solution. In

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the circumstances in which we are in

today, that is also the best

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solution to resolve the difficulty

that has arisen in Ireland and

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Northern Ireland.

The SMP's Mike

Russell. -- SNP. In the Welsh

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assembly...

We cannot allow parts of

the UK to be treated more favorably

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than others. We fully expect it

remains the same everywhere. The UK

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Government was clearly looking to do

a deal with the EU yesterday. That

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he was torpedoed by the DUP, which

asked the question why it is that a

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small party in Northern Ireland has

the ability to have a veto over what

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is good for the UK in terms of

negotiations with the EU. We one

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Wales also to benefit from any

distinct or special arrangements --

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we also want.

Nobody in their right

minds would want to see a hard

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border on Ireland. I know the First

Minister agrees with me on that, but

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shifting a hard border eastwards is

not a solution that would work for

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Wales and certainly not for my

constituents.

Now, away from Brexit,

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any report that the intelligence

service and my five and the police

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have opportunities to police to

prevent the Manchester bombing

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earlier this year -- have

opportunities. The attack was

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carried out by Salman Abedi and

make. Reports say he had been a

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subject of interest in my five on

other occasions. The revelation came

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as the Home Secretary made comments.

I would like to pay tribute to him

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and my five and the police, who

worked tirelessly to keep us safe.

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They have now disrupted to do plots

since the murder of leaving the

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2013, 950 West Mr attack in March

this year. -- 9 cents the

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Westminster attack. I received from

them to him highly classified

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documents -- ten highly classified.

In June, I commissioned David

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Anderson to provide independent

assurance of an external challenge

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to the reviews. Based on the police

reviews, David Anderson explains

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that in the case of the Westminster

attack, Khalid Masood was a subject

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of interest as -- at the time of the

attack. Police did not have any

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reason to anticipate the attack.

Regarding the Manchester Arena

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attack, Simon Abedi was also a close

subject of interest, and so not

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under active investigation. In early

2017, they nonetheless received

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intelligence on him which was

assessed as not being related to

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terrorism. In retrospect, the

intelligence can be seen to be

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highly relevant. Had investigation

been reopened at the time, it cannot

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be known whether his plans could

have been stopped. Based as it would

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have been unlikely. Across the

attacks, including Manchester Arena,

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David Anderson notes that CT

policing got a great deal rights.

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However, in relation to Manchester,

he also commented that "It is

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conceivable that the attack might

have been averted had the cards fall

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differently."

She said of the

actions to be taken... She added

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intelligence was imperfect.

Not

every attack can be stopped. As we

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do not live in a surveillance state,

it would always be a challenge to

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law enforcement to stop determined

attackers getting through. Despite

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this, we should remember that most

attacks continue to be successfully

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disrupted.

As David Anderson is, the

policing got a great deal right. But

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he also says the Manchester attack

in particular might have been

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averted had the cards fallen

differently. We believe on this

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site, that is a telling phrase. As

the Home Secretary noted, Salman

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Abedi was a close subject of

interest, not under active

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investigation, but the intelligence

came out in muscle for the attack

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which as David Anderson puts it, had

its true significance been properly

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understood, with -- would have

called an investigation to be

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reopened into them. In closing, I

would like to think and give our

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respect on the side of the House on

counterterrorism for their great

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work on these matters, but we have

to repeat this does come down to

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resources. And resources not just

for counterterrorism as such, but

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resources for community policing.

You're watching Tuesday in

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Parliament with me. And don't

forget, you can find previous

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programmes on the BBC I player.

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The last two elections have had one

thing in common. They were not happy

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events for the pollsters. Anxious to

find out why the Board committee on

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political polling have been holding

an inquiry and their main witness

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was a face very familiar to election

results programmes.

Given our

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electoral system, the thing above

all you have to get right is the

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conservative leader, but that is

probably the most difficult thing to

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get right, but other things in 2015,

and for example the astonishing

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success of the SNP, him which many

people think this cannot happen. In

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the EU referendum, it is worth

bearing in mind that if you take

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into account all of the polls that

were conducted during the official

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campaign period, slightly more had

Leave van remain Mac, and I think it

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is one of the mysteries of history

and -- as to what would have

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happened if the referendum would

have been on June 16. At which

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point, the vast majority of opinion

polls were pointing to Leave being

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ahead, as to whether or not the

polls would have been regarded as a

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success which told the country

something that was anticipating...

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There was a bit of a swing back, but

what is also true about 2016 is a

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lot of people were assuming that the

polls were going to be wrong,

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because of the evidence that in

some, but in all all referendums,...

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That expectation was exaggerated so

I think insofar as there was

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something of a swing back, in the

polls, in the last week of the

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referendum, albeit still too polls

had Leave ahead, people said

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therefore it is obviously Remain are

going to win. Any sensible person

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who looked at the final polls... We

have also had the fax of two

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elections where the polling

performed rather poorly in relating

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to its predictions, plus the zero

referendum, which your own paper

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suggests are pretty inaccurate. This

is a problem for polling or a crisis

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for polling, or should we just... I

would suggest to you that even in

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2017, the opinion polls told you an

awful lot of things that it was

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useful to know. They told you, that

actually, the public were changing

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their minds about the merits of the

Leader of the Opposition and they

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told you that the public were

changing their minds about the

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merits of the Minister.

And being in

the polling business, Professor

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Curtis framed his unquestioned.

Our

opinion pollsters are necessarily

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immune from the zeitgeist in which

they live with but? I think

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certainly given that most of the

changes that were made in the method

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-- methodology of the EU referendum

tended to push the polls and a more

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Remain direction. Was there a risk

that an industry that is

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middle-class and London-based and

whether the zeitgeist... No one will

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be daft enough to leave the European

Union. Whether or not the industry

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was in Leave, we have to ensure that

this is right, because otherwise the

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London professional middle-class

will be bad for people who occupy

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this building and they really will

cruise the fires.

Release documents

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about universal credits to a

committee of MPs on a confidential

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basis. He was heeding calls and a

liberal led debate to get

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which has been mired in criticism

and controversy.

Five reviews were

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carried out by the then major

project authority between 2012-2015.

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These, as you know, our independent

reviews, which provide assurance to

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major projects. They contain

in-depth analysis of the

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implementation of a project,

including detailed assessment of the

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risk phase and the progress that has

been achieved against the

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government's the Jets this, in this

case, to deliver the programme

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Universal Credit.

The government

refused a freedom of information

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request to review it.

On the 30th of

August, this year, the office ruled

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that this information must be

disclosed by the Department in full,

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with the exception of the names of

the civil servant named in the

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reports.

I wonder if she agrees that

the project right from the start has

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been one of the reasons why it has

gone so badly wrong.

My friend hits

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the nail on the head.

There is a

reason why report commissioned by

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the infrastructure and projects

authority and the major projects

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authority have not been released by

governments. The Public accounts

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committee has already recognised

that there is a need to protect

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information that is commercially

sensitive and for there to be a safe

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space for candid evaluation and

debate.

On this occasion, he will

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not be making an exception.

In line

with the motion before this house, I

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will provide by the time the House

rises for Christmas recess, the

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reports directly to the working

pension select committee. I just

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wish to point out to the shadow

Secretary of State that her motion

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to require us to publish these

reports. The dozen require us to lay

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out before the House.

The committee

chairs that he will not be seeking

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advice on the committee's

obligations.

We are in a totally new

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constitutional waters if the motion,

which has now been accepted, so we

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can all go home in a minute, bring

on the next business.

And he

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reminded MPs about the backdrop to

the debate, destitution and hunger.

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On Friday, the most brilliant and

unnecessary organization, recorded a

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meeting of a husband, wife, and

young child. The child was crying

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with hunger. The family was bad. The

father -- the father said he was --

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it was a lucky week for him. He

invited them to a funeral, so that

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they could finish off the food after

the other funeral guests had been

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fed.

One MP found his remarks very

moving.

I don't know where to start

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after that. I am humbled by the

words from Mike Honorable

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Goodfriend. -- Mike. No government

is perfect, no benefit system is

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perfect. But if we work together, we

can make this better.

Do rural

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communities fare worse than urban

ones? Many peers clearly think so

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and at question time, Lady Jones

challenged the Minister over what

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was being done to tackle poverty and

countryside communities. She argued

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they were being left behind in

comparison to cities.

We know that

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is too low skilled and insecure and

we know the board is making matters

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worse for those who work on the land

and young people in rural areas

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don't have easy access to decent

schools, to training opportunities,

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or post 16 education. The wind is

the government going to accept their

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responsibility to tackle role

poverty and the lack of social

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ability and the areas, which is

holding a prosperity back?

600,000

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fewer people are an absolute

poverty, a record level. 200,000

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fewer children in absolute poverty,

and 300,000 fewer working age adults

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in absolute poverty. 3 million more

people in work, 954,000 fewer work

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lists homes. That is the way in

which we will ensure that we have

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prosperity across this country. It

is white rural areas have lower

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unemployment, it is white we are

working extremely hard on a range of

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issues to ensure that there is a

rural prosperity and I think this

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government is doing all it can to

ensure that.

Truly fast broadband in

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the countryside, not the Phantom

speeds abandoned by open ridge,

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would lead to much greater jobs and

increase in prosperity.

The Minister

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said he had been told the same thing

at a meeting just that morning.

If

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we can crack connectivity, we have

cracked almost everything. I

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entirely agree this is a challenge

in rural communities and for

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business, but we are on track with

95% of UK homes and businesses to

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have access to superfast broadband

by the end of this year will stop we

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are seeking to increase that to 97%

over the next few years. The

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Universal service obligation I think

is important as a safety net and we

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are looking at all sorts of

innovative ways of getting to the

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hard-to-reach areas.

House prices in

rural areas, local working families

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are priced out of the market. The

Right to Buy scheme has not led to

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new housing replacing those sold.

There are now large numbers of

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essential workers unable to afford

to live in rural areas. Will the

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government agree with me that it is

time that the government provided

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homes for essential workers, such as

care workers, teachers, nurses,

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firefighters, and front-line police

officers?

The government was putting

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money into housing to make sure that

the people who work in the

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countryside and made communities

tick had affordable homes. Finally,

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the former Olympics minister has

resumed her seat in the Lords after

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treatment for brain cancer. She sits

as a laser -- labour appear and was

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diagnosed in May.

I do swear by

Almighty God that I will be faithful

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and bear true allegiance to her

Majesty, the Queen Elisabeth, her

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heirs, and successors, according to

the law.

There was a warm welcome

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after she signed the register and

swore the oath of allegiance.

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Formally resuming her seat. That

brings us to the end of this edition

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of the programme, but do join me at

the same time tomorrow for another

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round of the day at Westminster.

Including the highlights from prime

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ministers questions and the next day

of detailed debate on the EU

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withdrawal bill. But for now from

me, goodbye.

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